the xbox 360 has peaked

If you checked my post you would realise, I actually praise the 360's current games, I just don't see a bright future, can you name me a system seller?5starsteve

so sad and i think hes actually being serious..

Yet, no one can answer my question of an x360 system seller?

Yet, no one can answer my question of an x360 system seller?

5starsteve

Why bother? You already have your mind made up as to what the future will hold.

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

[QUOTE="5starsteve"]

Yet, no one can answer my question of an x360 system seller?

D0013ER

Why bother? You already have your mind made up as to what the future will hold.

Just admit there isn't anything that is confirmed that will help the system along next year. Even though I'm pretty sure MS will make sure gears 2 gets out.

Not at all, I havn't made up my mind and I cannot predict the future, I just need evidence to support the 360's arguement, as there is plenty for the ps35starsteve

BTW you listed 3 games for the ps 3 plus 1 Multiplat (GTA 5).

..and why can't we compare Ninja Gaiden 2 to games like little big planet and MGS4 and GTA? Ninja Gaiden on Xbox was an amazing game, just because 90% of the population sucked at it doesn't make it bad.

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

Just_Osmo

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

Like I said Ninja gaiden is never gonna sell systems, ut3 out on ps3 first, and GTA has sold way more on sonys systems and is generally known for being a playstation game5starsteve

Ever stop to think that GTA sold more on PS2 because the system itself had 6 times as many users as the Xbox did?

Given your perspective I'd say the 360 has plateaued more-so than peaked. It's reached it's potential and can't really get any higher, but it's future isn't exactly grim and bleak either. More of the same really.

I think there is still some room for it to scale a bit higher personally.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

jangojay

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

killtactics

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

Two? of those are exclusives that the guy listed.. so I don't know how he can claim the rest saying they will boost x360 sales when they are multiplatform.

Given your perspective I'd say the 360 has plateaued more-so than peaked. It's reached it's potential and can't really get any higher, but it's future isn't exactly grim and bleak either. More of the same really.

I think there is still some room for it to scale a bit higher personally.

Private_Vegas

And that plateu just happens to be miles above sony.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

jangojay

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

[QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]

Given your perspective I'd say the 360 has plateaued more-so than peaked. It's reached it's potential and can't really get any higher, but it's future isn't exactly grim and bleak either. More of the same really.

I think there is still some room for it to scale a bit higher personally.

Cooldude224

And that plateu just happens to be miles above sony.

In some aspects. Not nearly all.

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

Just_Osmo

I'd be willing to bet on LittleBigPlanet and Home being system sellers myself.

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

jangojay

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

Two? of those are exclusives that the guy listed.. so I don't know how he can claim the rest saying they will boost x360 sales when they are multiplatform.

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

jangojay

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

Two? of those are exclusives that the guy listed.. so I don't know how he can claim the rest saying they will boost x360 sales when they are multiplatform.

4 of those are explusives. 2 are Multiplat. those 2 multiplat will sell more on the 360 then on the PS3 as proved by the Madden sales.

I never said they were system sellers I stated that they are GAME that are coming out. Since that what he asked someone to post.

Besides that System sellers arent needed in year 3 of a console. Years 1 and 2 only need system sellers. By year 3 75% of peopel whow ill buy a system have aolready done so.

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

Just_Osmo

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

Plus those games are for hardcore gamers. They cant sell any systems if the people who want those games already own the counsle

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

SpruceCaboose

I'd be willing to bet on LittleBigPlanet and Home being system sellers myself.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

SpruceCaboose

I'd be willing to bet on LittleBigPlanet and Home being system sellers myself.

Home. Please. Casual Gamers don't care about Home. Anyways. Little Big Planet will not be a system seller . Try again.

Besides that System sellers arent needed in year 3 of a console. Years 1 and 2 only need system sellers. By year 3 75% of peopel whow ill buy a system have aolready done so.

Just_Osmo

Care to share a source, or did you just pull this out of your hind-quarters?

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

Just_Osmo

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

MGS4 and FF aren't system sellers? Wow I really believe you guys will say anything. I have SEEN people by ps2s for mgs and ff, just like people buy 360s for halo. FF is one of the biggests sony franchises imo and the ps3 on the whole mostly deal with platformers,rpgs and fighting games. So saying it's for rpg guys well..... that's the majority of those who had a ps2 from my expierence. So they ARE system sellers. Killzone imo is not, sony should not go like MS into this FPS thing. Stick to the genre you are strong in and you will keep your fanbase. Just like MS should not go into rpgs =/.

Home. Please. Casual Gamers don't care about Home. Anyways. Little Big Planet will not be a system seller . Try again.

Just_Osmo

LOL @ you trying to know the future. I just said I think it will be. You are trying to make a concrete statement about the future. Therefore, you lose.

Yet, no one can answer my question of an x360 system seller?

5starsteve

Halo 3.

Halo 3 is the very definition of a system seller.

Regardless of what your personal like or dislike of the game is, there is no denying the fact that Halo 3 moves systems.

Oh yeah, my link owns you.

[QUOTE="5starsteve"]

Yet, no one can answer my question of an x360 system seller?

flintgijoe

Halo 3.

Halo 3 is the very definition of a system seller.

Regardless of what your personal like or dislike of the game is, there is no denying the fact that Halo 3 moves systems.

Oh yeah, my link owns you.

Oh so very nice. I approve!

This thread is think with it though...

[QUOTE="5starsteve"]

Yet, no one can answer my question of an x360 system seller?

flintgijoe

Halo 3.

Halo 3 is the very definition of a system seller.

Regardless of what your personal like or dislike of the game is, there is no denying the fact that Halo 3 moves systems.

Oh yeah, my link owns you.

And apparently reading owns you. Read the whole thread before you post fanboi nonsense.

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

killtactics

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

Two? of those are exclusives that the guy listed.. so I don't know how he can claim the rest saying they will boost x360 sales when they are multiplatform.

You realize that was when ps 2 was the king of consoles? Now there is more people with 360s then ps3's. So how do you figure they will outsell the 360 with gta sales?

..and it's 4 console exclusives. We are talking consoles. One game going PC and 360 doesn't count. This is consoles we are talking about.

[QUOTE="5starsteve"]

Yet, no one can answer my question of an x360 system seller?

flintgijoe

Halo 3.

Halo 3 is the very definition of a system seller.

Regardless of what your personal like or dislike of the game is, there is no denying the fact that Halo 3 moves systems.

Oh yeah, my link owns you.

You just ownd your self. He was talking about in 08not 07.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

jangojay

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

MGS4 and FF aren't system sellers? Wow I really believe you guys will say anything. I have SEEN people by ps2s for mgs and ff, just like people buy 360s for halo. FF is one of the biggests sony franchises imo and the ps3 on the whole mostly deal with platformers,rpgs and fighting games. So saying it's for rpg guys well..... that's the majority of those who had a ps2 from my expierence. So they ARE system sellers. Killzone imo is not, sony should not go like MS into this FPS thing. Stick to the genre you are strong in and you will keep your fanbase. Just like MS should not go into rpgs =/.

FF and MGS4 aren't CASUAL GAMERS GAMES. The definition of a system seller is mass appeal. Sure SOME peopel probably buy a ps3 for those games but the majority of people have never played any Final Fantasys.

[QUOTE="flintgijoe"][QUOTE="5starsteve"]

Yet, no one can answer my question of an x360 system seller?

Cooldude224

Halo 3.

Halo 3 is the very definition of a system seller.

Regardless of what your personal like or dislike of the game is, there is no denying the fact that Halo 3 moves systems.

Oh yeah, my link owns you.

You just ownd your self. He was talking about in 08not 07.

Ah, in 2008 there will be many, including Halo Wars, which will sell systems just due to the Halo name.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

jangojay

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

MGS4 and FF aren't system sellers? Wow I really believe you guys will say anything. I have SEEN people by ps2s for mgs and ff, just like people buy 360s for halo. FF is one of the biggests sony franchises imo and the ps3 on the whole mostly deal with platformers,rpgs and fighting games. So saying it's for rpg guys well..... that's the majority of those who had a ps2 from my expierence. So they ARE system sellers. Killzone imo is not, sony should not go like MS into this FPS thing. Stick to the genre you are strong in and you will keep your fanbase. Just like MS should not go into rpgs =/.

I don't know about the MGS series because I have never been a big fan of the games but FF 7 basicly put the Play Station name on the map so yes FF is a system seller.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Home. Please. Casual Gamers don't care about Home. Anyways. Little Big Planet will not be a system seller . Try again.

SpruceCaboose

LOL @ you trying to know the future. I just said I think it will be. You are trying to make a concrete statement about the future. Therefore, you lose.

I'm not tryign to say I know the future. But little big planet will not be a system seller and everyone doesn't play their consoles online and everyone doesn't have the internet. So how can Home be a system seller when the Majority of people probably won't use it?

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enjoy your Lair.

FF and MGS4 aren't CASUAL GAMERS GAMES. The definition of a system seller is mass appeal. Sure SOME peopel probably buy a ps3 for those games but the majority of people have never played any Final Fantasys.

Just_Osmo

Uh...no. The definition of a system seller is a application that sells systems. I thought that would be obvious. And it does not matter if those sales are to casual or hardcore gamers. A sale is a sale is a sale.

[QUOTE="Cooldude224"][QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]

Given your perspective I'd say the 360 has plateaued more-so than peaked. It's reached it's potential and can't really get any higher, but it's future isn't exactly grim and bleak either. More of the same really.

I think there is still some room for it to scale a bit higher personally.

SpruceCaboose

And that plateu just happens to be miles above sony.

In some aspects. Not nearly all.

Indeed, but I look at it this way. The PS3 seems to only just recently come out of it's shell. For it's whole first year I never even considered purchasing one. But now I wouldn't mind having one one bit. (slight understatement) Ps3 seems to be picking up some serious steam now with exclusives especially. (Sure they're not AAA, but I've never been one to let critical reviews sway me opinion.) Plus with the PS3's 2008 lineup which could surpass/equal/fall short(Depending on who you ask)of the 360's 08 line I'm expecting to see the PS3 boom. The 360's exponential growth has come to an end no and it's just a slow steady slope now. The PS3 is just beginning it mad climb. Who will come out higher remains to bee seen but I'm still seeing room for improvement with the 360, and lot of potential for the PS3 to catch up/surpass.

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

Just_Osmo

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

MGS4 and FF aren't system sellers? Wow I really believe you guys will say anything. I have SEEN people by ps2s for mgs and ff, just like people buy 360s for halo. FF is one of the biggests sony franchises imo and the ps3 on the whole mostly deal with platformers,rpgs and fighting games. So saying it's for rpg guys well..... that's the majority of those who had a ps2 from my expierence. So they ARE system sellers. Killzone imo is not, sony should not go like MS into this FPS thing. Stick to the genre you are strong in and you will keep your fanbase. Just like MS should not go into rpgs =/.

FF and MGS4 aren't CASUAL GAMERS GAMES. The definition of a system seller is mass appeal. Sure SOME peopel probably buy a ps3 for those games but the majority of people have never played any Final Fantasys.

WHAT WHAT so what on the x360 is for casual gamers? What is this non sense you are spewing at me right now. I didn't know halo was for casual gamers. X360 has had it's success from casual games? Please that's the wii you are talking about, MS and halo proves that hardcore games sell consoles as well.

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

jbeen

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

MGS4 and FF aren't system sellers? Wow I really believe you guys will say anything. I have SEEN people by ps2s for mgs and ff, just like people buy 360s for halo. FF is one of the biggests sony franchises imo and the ps3 on the whole mostly deal with platformers,rpgs and fighting games. So saying it's for rpg guys well..... that's the majority of those who had a ps2 from my expierence. So they ARE system sellers. Killzone imo is not, sony should not go like MS into this FPS thing. Stick to the genre you are strong in and you will keep your fanbase. Just like MS should not go into rpgs =/.

I don't know about the MGS series because I have never been a big fan of the games but FF 7 basicly put the Play Station name on the map so yes FF is a system seller.

FF7 will be an awesome game and sell alot ofc opys. Butit's not a system seller. Your casual gamer out there probably won't care about an RPG.

I'm not tryign to say I know the future. But little big planet will not be a system seller and everyone doesn't play their consoles online and everyone doesn't have the internet. So how can Home be a system seller when the Majority of people probably won't use it?

Just_Osmo

If you spend that much on a game system, chances are good you have the internet. And when you say LBP will not be a system seller, you are indeed saying you know the future. You could say you don't think it will be, but by predicting it like you are, you are trying to say the future.

[QUOTE="jbeen"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

Just_Osmo

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

MGS4 and FF aren't system sellers? Wow I really believe you guys will say anything. I have SEEN people by ps2s for mgs and ff, just like people buy 360s for halo. FF is one of the biggests sony franchises imo and the ps3 on the whole mostly deal with platformers,rpgs and fighting games. So saying it's for rpg guys well..... that's the majority of those who had a ps2 from my expierence. So they ARE system sellers. Killzone imo is not, sony should not go like MS into this FPS thing. Stick to the genre you are strong in and you will keep your fanbase. Just like MS should not go into rpgs =/.

I don't know about the MGS series because I have never been a big fan of the games but FF 7 basicly put the Play Station name on the map so yes FF is a system seller.

FF7 will be an awesome game and sell alot ofc opys. Butit's not a system seller. Your casual gamer out there probably won't care about an RPG.

offline rpgs are the most casual games on the market?

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

jangojay

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

MGS4 and FF aren't system sellers? Wow I really believe you guys will say anything. I have SEEN people by ps2s for mgs and ff, just like people buy 360s for halo. FF is one of the biggests sony franchises imo and the ps3 on the whole mostly deal with platformers,rpgs and fighting games. So saying it's for rpg guys well..... that's the majority of those who had a ps2 from my expierence. So they ARE system sellers. Killzone imo is not, sony should not go like MS into this FPS thing. Stick to the genre you are strong in and you will keep your fanbase. Just like MS should not go into rpgs =/.

FF and MGS4 aren't CASUAL GAMERS GAMES. The definition of a system seller is mass appeal. Sure SOME peopel probably buy a ps3 for those games but the majority of people have never played any Final Fantasys.

WHAT WHAT so what on the x360 is for casual gamers? What is this non sense you are spewing at me right now. I didn't know halo was for casual gamers. X360 has had it's success from casual games? Please that's the wii you are talking about, MS and halo proves that hardcore games sell consoles as well.

Halo is not a hardcore gamers game. It's a fricking FPS. Casual Gamers can sit down and play for 20 minutes and shut it off and be happy.

FF7 isn't casual, its a long story driven RPG.