the xbox 360 has peaked

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="jbeen"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

jangojay

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

MGS4 and FF aren't system sellers? Wow I really believe you guys will say anything. I have SEEN people by ps2s for mgs and ff, just like people buy 360s for halo. FF is one of the biggests sony franchises imo and the ps3 on the whole mostly deal with platformers,rpgs and fighting games. So saying it's for rpg guys well..... that's the majority of those who had a ps2 from my expierence. So they ARE system sellers. Killzone imo is not, sony should not go like MS into this FPS thing. Stick to the genre you are strong in and you will keep your fanbase. Just like MS should not go into rpgs =/.

I don't know about the MGS series because I have never been a big fan of the games but FF 7 basicly put the Play Station name on the map so yes FF is a system seller.

FF7 will be an awesome game and sell alot ofc opys. Butit's not a system seller. Your casual gamer out there probably won't care about an RPG.

offline rpgs are the most casual games on the market?

Not JRPGs. Maybe American RPG's are. I'd be more apt to agree that Uncharted is your closest thing to a system seller right now then FF7 will be.

[QUOTE="jbeen"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

Just_Osmo

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

MGS4 and FF aren't system sellers? Wow I really believe you guys will say anything. I have SEEN people by ps2s for mgs and ff, just like people buy 360s for halo. FF is one of the biggests sony franchises imo and the ps3 on the whole mostly deal with platformers,rpgs and fighting games. So saying it's for rpg guys well..... that's the majority of those who had a ps2 from my expierence. So they ARE system sellers. Killzone imo is not, sony should not go like MS into this FPS thing. Stick to the genre you are strong in and you will keep your fanbase. Just like MS should not go into rpgs =/.

I don't know about the MGS series because I have never been a big fan of the games but FF 7 basicly put the Play Station name on the map so yes FF is a system seller.

FF7 will be an awesome game and sell alot ofc opys. Butit's not a system seller. Your casual gamer out there probably won't care about an RPG.

Halo is not a hardcore gamers game. It's a fricking FPS. Casual Gamers can sit down and play for 20 minutes and shut it off and be happy.

FF7 isn't casual, its a long story driven RPG.

And players can play FF13 for 20mins level up do a quest, go to a new area be happy and turn the game off. Except that FF7 is a long game that will have them playing for a long time, but they can do it at THIER pace. Whether it be 15mins a day or 15hours a day they can do it at thier pace and feel happy. I don't understand how you can think offline rpgs aren't casual. Hell character development, nice story, good gameplay, most importantly no time comment i.e you don't HAVE to be on for certain amounts of time to progress. Doesn't that sound casual to you? Or because the game is long you think it's for hardcore gamers?

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="jbeen"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

Cooldude224

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

MGS4 and FF aren't system sellers? Wow I really believe you guys will say anything. I have SEEN people by ps2s for mgs and ff, just like people buy 360s for halo. FF is one of the biggests sony franchises imo and the ps3 on the whole mostly deal with platformers,rpgs and fighting games. So saying it's for rpg guys well..... that's the majority of those who had a ps2 from my expierence. So they ARE system sellers. Killzone imo is not, sony should not go like MS into this FPS thing. Stick to the genre you are strong in and you will keep your fanbase. Just like MS should not go into rpgs =/.

I don't know about the MGS series because I have never been a big fan of the games but FF 7 basicly put the Play Station name on the map so yes FF is a system seller.

FF7 will be an awesome game and sell alot ofc opys. Butit's not a system seller. Your casual gamer out there probably won't care about an RPG.

I was just repeating what he had posted. I never was a fan of FF so I don't know what number it's on.

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Lets see off the top of my head, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, UT3 and GTA5 (even though they aren't exclusives the majority of versions bought will be 360). Thats just off the top of my head.

jbeen

He said games that will sell the console. Those aren't games that will sell the console.

....and you think that MGS4 and FF are system sellers? MGS4 and FF are not system sellers. They are limited to RPG fans. Name one system seller for the PS3? I know for a fact that I can name one for the 360. Halo. Now name the PS3 system seller...... oh wait, ps3 has none.

MGS4 and FF aren't system sellers? Wow I really believe you guys will say anything. I have SEEN people by ps2s for mgs and ff, just like people buy 360s for halo. FF is one of the biggests sony franchises imo and the ps3 on the whole mostly deal with platformers,rpgs and fighting games. So saying it's for rpg guys well..... that's the majority of those who had a ps2 from my expierence. So they ARE system sellers. Killzone imo is not, sony should not go like MS into this FPS thing. Stick to the genre you are strong in and you will keep your fanbase. Just like MS should not go into rpgs =/.

I don't know about the MGS series because I have never been a big fan of the games but FF 7 basicly put the Play Station name on the map so yes FF is a system seller.

Think again. The PS1 was already very popular long before FF7 came out. If anything Madden and Resident Evil put PS on the map.

jangojay

Halo is not a hardcore gamers game. It's a fricking FPS. Casual Gamers can sit down and play for 20 minutes and shut it off and be happy.

FF7 isn't casual, its a long story driven RPG.

And players can play FF7 for 20mins level up do a quest, go to a new area be happy and turn the game off. Except that FF7 is a long game that will have them playing for a long time, but they can do it at THIER pace. Whether it be 15mins a day or 15hours a day they can do it at thier pace and feel happy. I don't understand how you can think offline rpgs aren't casual. Hell character development, nice story, good gameplay, most importantly no time comment i.e you don't HAVE to be on for certain amounts of time to progress. Doesn't that sound casual to you? Or because the game is long you think it's for hardcore gamers?

FF7 is definatly not casual. Sure you can play for 15mins and be done. But most peoplewho play the game wont play for only 15 mins. I cant realy imagine my grandma sitting down for a good ol game of FF7.

while there is no question that the 360 has some great games, although mostly fps.Gears(not fps), halo, bioshock etc.But the console has hit its peak,although the lesssaid about mass effect the better,and the lineup for 2008 is very poor.While ps3 owners have such exclusives as mgs4, little big planet, gt5, and possible(probably not) ff13 to look forward to.These games will be amazing and will sell millions of ps3's last year, I am yet to see a 2008 xbox release which will do the same, gears2 if it comes out.If anyone mentions ninja gaiden 2, in comparison with the ps3 lineup they are clutching at straws.Those games are VERY average and will not sell consoles.5starsteve

Yet another low-level, ban-dodging cow thread?

Honestly, how many times do cowsbring up this subject?

Not at all, I havn't made up my mind 5starsteve

*checks thread title*

You sure about that?

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

I'm not tryign to say I know the future. But little big planet will not be a system seller and everyone doesn't play their consoles online and everyone doesn't have the internet. So how can Home be a system seller when the Majority of people probably won't use it?

SpruceCaboose

If you spend that much on a game system, chances are good you have the internet. And when you say LBP will not be a system seller, you are indeed saying you know the future. You could say you don't think it will be, but by predicting it like you are, you are trying to say the future.

I don't know about the rest of the global community, but if I havn't already caved and bought a PS3 by the time Little Big Planet comes out I will definitely get one then.

[QUOTE="jangojay"]Cooldude224

Halo is not a hardcore gamers game. It's a fricking FPS. Casual Gamers can sit down and play for 20 minutes and shut it off and be happy.

FF7 isn't casual, its a long story driven RPG.

And players can play FF7 for 20mins level up do a quest, go to a new area be happy and turn the game off. Except that FF7 is a long game that will have them playing for a long time, but they can do it at THIER pace. Whether it be 15mins a day or 15hours a day they can do it at thier pace and feel happy. I don't understand how you can think offline rpgs aren't casual. Hell character development, nice story, good gameplay, most importantly no time comment i.e you don't HAVE to be on for certain amounts of time to progress. Doesn't that sound casual to you? Or because the game is long you think it's for hardcore gamers?

FF7 is definatly not casual. Sure you can play for 15mins and be done. But most peoplewho play the game wont play for only 15 mins. I cant realy imagine my grandma sitting down for a good ol game of FF7.

Don't bring that grandma playing halo crap here, I've seen it. But I have also seen my 45 year old uncle sit and play ff for 6months with around an 1 hour a day. So I don't really know what you are talking about.

For all the cows claiming MGS4 is a system seller (which I don't neccessarily disagree with), I would love an explanation why MGS3 sold millions less than MGS2 despite the PS2 userbase being exponentially greater.

And besides, FFXIII doesn't have a concrete release date. FF games have a tendency to slip their projected release date. Look no further than FFXII for proof.

About the only definite "system seller" the PS3 has slated for 2008 is GT5.

i agree with the tc,i sold my 360 for similar reasons but the fact that fanboys say halo 3 is the best game on 360 is sickening that game was way to overhyped and the fanboys know it.be proud that you've got mass effect and bioshock.Those are games worth bragging about,but i doubt you'll see games of that caliber in 2008.

[QUOTE="flintgijoe"][QUOTE="5starsteve"]

Yet, no one can answer my question of an x360 system seller?

Cooldude224

Halo 3.

Halo 3 is the very definition of a system seller.

Regardless of what your personal like or dislike of the game is, there is no denying the fact that Halo 3 moves systems.

Oh yeah, my link owns you.

You just ownd your self. He was talking about in 08not 07.

Halo3 is the the only systems seller that has been mentioned in this thread. It will continue to sell systems in 08 much like it sold systems in 06 and 07, just at a smaller scale.

Ps3 doesn't really have a single system seller on the scale of Halo3. People buy a PS3 for the games it will offer in the future, not for a single game.

MGS4, Final Fantasy 13, and Killzone 2 will all likly be great games. They will sell just fine. So will Ninja Gaiden 2, Halo Wars, Alan Wake, etc... None of those games are going to sell systems on the scale of a Halo game.

The only real System seller coming to PS3 in 08 is GTA4. People will buy a system for that game alone.

GTA4>MGS4/Final Fantasy.

i agree with the tc,i sold my 360 for similar reasons but the fact that fanboys say halo 3 is the best game on 360 is sickening that game was way to overhyped and the fanboys know it.be proud that you've got mass effect and bioshock.Those are games worth bragging about,but i doubt you'll see games of that caliber in 2008.

charley_mcd

GTA4? RE5?

The biggest games in 08 are on the PS3 and X360.

[QUOTE="Cooldude224"][QUOTE="flintgijoe"][QUOTE="5starsteve"]

Yet, no one can answer my question of an x360 system seller?

flintgijoe

Halo 3.

Halo 3 is the very definition of a system seller.

Regardless of what your personal like or dislike of the game is, there is no denying the fact that Halo 3 moves systems.

Oh yeah, my link owns you.

You just ownd your self. He was talking about in 08not 07.

Halo3 is the the only systems seller that has been mentioned in this thread. It will continue to sell systems in 08 much like it sold systems in 06 and 07, just at a smaller scale.

Ps3 doesn't really have a single system seller on the scale of Halo3. People buy a PS3 for the games it will offer in the future, not for a single game.

MGS4, Final Fantasy 13, and Killzone 2 will all likly be great games. They will sell just fine. So will Ninja Gaiden 2, Halo Wars, Alan Wake, etc... None of those games are going to sell systems on the scale of a Halo game.

The only real System seller coming to PS3 in 08 is GTA4. People will buy a system for that game alone.

GTA4>MGS4/Final Fantasy.

It's not a exclusive though. Exclusives only count.

It's not a exclusive though. Exclusives only count.

Just_Osmo

Only in SW do exclusives "only" count.

When debating "system seller", you are debating in real world terms. In real world terms, GTA4 is the biggest game to come out next year on consoles. GTA4 is probably a lock to out-sell the biggest game of most years (Madden).

Like I said earlier, Gran Turismo is probably the only PS3-exclusive that is guarantee to move PS3s en masse.

Yet, no one can answer my question of an x360 system seller?

5starsteve

the only system seller coming next year is Gran Turismo.

the other games you listed appeal to a very small minority

the 2008 won't be poor

just because we don't know a lot about next year .. M$ did that deliberately to focus on this year, especially these great last few months we've had

next year should be great too .. gta IV, NG2, banjo 3, too human, fable 2, alan wake .. that's just skimming the surface

360 doesn't need a system seller coming out soon, Halo 3 just came out, Mass effect just came out. It can ride the waves from those two for long enough. Not to mention the library it already has built up to fall back on.

360 is already killing PS3 in sales just look at the numbers for the month of october and black friday/weekend, not to mention it has been out for quite sometime, it has a head start, it is currently beating ps3 in sales, and it can ride the halo3/mass effect wave for months to come. And if you have actually played Mass Effect you would know it destroys anygame on the ps3 or wii.

If you checked my post you would realise, I actually praise the 360's current games, I just don't see a bright future, can you name me a system seller?5starsteve

Ninja Gaiden 2. Gears of War 2.

360 really is lacking in the game department in 08 in terms of exclusives. It has great multi-plat games, but that really doesn't help the console that much since worldwide Playstation 3 is starting to become the most dominant console. Its outselling Wii in Japan, and its outsold 360 this year in Europe.

360 is in fine shape to be third place, but since its improved over the market share of the Xbox its definately a sucess.

Playstation 3 probably has the biggest game of the year in Metal Gear Solid 4, and Grand Theft Auto 4 will definately boost sales for both consoles more so PS3 in Japan and Europe.
Adrian_Cloud

while there is no question that the 360 has some great games, although mostly fps.Gears(not fps), halo, bioshock etc.But the console has hit its peak,although the lesssaid about mass effect the better,and the lineup for 2008 is very poor.While ps3 owners have such exclusives as mgs4, little big planet, gt5, and possible(probably not) ff13 to look forward to.These games will be amazing and will sell millions of ps3's last year, I am yet to see a 2008 xbox release which will do the same, gears2 if it comes out.If anyone mentions ninja gaiden 2, in comparison with the ps3 lineup they are clutching at straws.Those games are VERY average and will not sell consoles.5starsteve

If I were your teacher you would fail and here's why.

First you say the less said about Mass Effect the better. Why? Because evne with as "problematic" as some reviews said it STILL scored HIGHEr then EVERY PS3 exclusive or just as good that were supposed to be the bench mark of videogaming? Perhaps it's because you're jealous you can not play it?

Next you say all these MEGA PS3 exclusives will sell millions of PS3's......right. Heard that last year about Lair, Motorstorm. Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Warhawk and Uncharted and to date this has not happned. MOST PS3's were purchased because of the Blu-Ray movie playback and this will continue to be the main reason. Not to mention you offer NOTHING new to the table in your discussion. It's the same hand EVERY other SOny fanboy has thrown to the table only once one game ends up being a flop you guys replace it with another. While hte 360 may NOT have the "oh so grandular" exclusives coming the PS3 has make no mistake that it does indeed have it's own set of exclusives coming coupled with some VERY hefty third party multiplats and another inevietable price drop making it THE home console of choice for stellar games. Call them average if you want, but the same can be said about all the PS3 exclusives except for MGS4. I LOVE how PS3 owners praise LBP like it's actually a game people are going to play for al ifetime when really it's a pretty tech demo nothing more and will be forgotten just as fast as Motorstorm. Don't be surprised at another 8 or 8.5 rating (Since that seems to be so HORRIBLE now)

Hey there's osme grass in that meadow over there. Go back to the pasture now cow.

.Those are games worth bragging about,but i doubt you'll see games of that caliber in 2008.

charley_mcd

Really? Alan Wake and too Human says hi

while there is no question that the 360 has some great games, although mostly fps.Gears(not fps), halo, bioshock etc.But the console has hit its peak,although the lesssaid about mass effect the better,and the lineup for 2008 is very poor.While ps3 owners have such exclusives as mgs4, little big planet, gt5, and possible(probably not) ff13 to look forward to.These games will be amazing and will sell millions of ps3's last year, I am yet to see a 2008 xbox release which will do the same, gears2 if it comes out.If anyone mentions ninja gaiden 2, in comparison with the ps3 lineup they are clutching at straws.Those games are VERY average and will not sell consoles.5starsteve

360 is only at 50% from what we see now, since Mass Effect is by far the best looking console game, but it definatly is NOTHING like what game ground up made only for 360 like Fable 2 would be

So, 360 is at 50% maxed

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]360 really is lacking in the game department in 08 in terms of exclusives. It has great multi-plat games, but that really doesn't help the console that much since worldwide Playstation 3 is starting to become the most dominant console. Its outselling Wii in Japan, and its outsold 360 this year in Europe.

360 is in fine shape to be third place, but since its improved over the market share of the Xbox its definately a sucess.

Playstation 3 probably has the biggest game of the year in Metal Gear Solid 4, and Grand Theft Auto 4 will definately boost sales for both consoles more so PS3 in Japan and Europe.
killtactics

The hyped game from last year where
MotorStorm- forget the score, decent game over hyped but not over-rated.
VF5- delivered but ended up MP.
Heavenly Sword- devilered AA
Warhawk -delivered AA
Lair-flopped
Uncharted- delivered AA
R&C3- flopped on GS, most owners are satisfied
Folklore- flopped here on GS.

I don't think they hyped that much games, and next year PS3 fans are once again hyping a few EXCLUSIVE games.
Metal Gear Solid 4
Little Big Planet
Tekken 6
Socom: C
Resistance 2
Disgea 3
Persona 4
White Knight Story
Gran Turismo 5
Killzone 2

Thats not as expansive as some of the 360 lists i've been seeing with games that aren't exclusive, haven't been shown since E3 06', or games with very little info. Or games like Too Human that are just a wreck.

360 has peaked in terms of games, of course, it's all downhill from here.

but in terms of sales, this holiday season will be HUGE for all the big 3.

[QUOTE="5starsteve"]while there is no question that the 360 has some great games, although mostly fps.Gears(not fps), halo, bioshock etc.But the console has hit its peak,although the lesssaid about mass effect the better,and the lineup for 2008 is very poor.While ps3 owners have such exclusives as mgs4, little big planet, gt5, and possible(probably not) ff13 to look forward to.These games will be amazing and will sell millions of ps3's last year, I am yet to see a 2008 xbox release which will do the same, gears2 if it comes out.If anyone mentions ninja gaiden 2, in comparison with the ps3 lineup they are clutching at straws.Those games are VERY average and will not sell consoles.thegame1980

If I were your teacher you would fail and here's why.

First you say the less said about Mass Effect the better. Why? Because evne with as "problematic" as some reviews said it STILL scored HIGHEr then EVERY PS3 exclusive or just as good that were supposed to be the bench mark of videogaming? Perhaps it's because you're jealous you can not play it?

Next you say all these MEGA PS3 exclusives will sell millions of PS3's......right. Heard that last year about Lair, Motorstorm. Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Warhawk and Uncharted and to date this has not happned. MOST PS3's were purchased because of the Blu-Ray movie playback and this will continue to be the main reason. Not to mention you offer NOTHING new to the table in your discussion. It's the same hand EVERY other SOny fanboy has thrown to the table only once one game ends up being a flop you guys replace it with another. While hte 360 may NOT have the "oh so grandular" exclusives coming the PS3 has make no mistake that it does indeed have it's own set of exclusives coming coupled with some VERY hefty third party multiplats and another inevietable price drop making it THE home console of choice for stellar games. Call them average if you want, but the same can be said about all the PS3 exclusives except for MGS4. I LOVE how PS3 owners praise LBP like it's actually a game people are going to play for al ifetime when really it's a pretty tech demo nothing more and will be forgotten just as fast as Motorstorm. Don't be surprised at another 8 or 8.5 rating (Since that seems to be so HORRIBLE now)

Hey there's osme grass in that meadow over there. Go back to the pasture now cow.

I admit i took a cheap shot at mass effect, just because is was yped to high heaven and ended up being a very AVERAGE game, certainly not a system seller.

While comparing games like warhawk and lair to ff13 and mgs4, is rather comical.Mgs4 and ff13 are established franchises with HUGE followings, they will sell consoles.unlike any of the 08! line up for 360

while there is no question that the 360 has some great games, although mostly fps.Gears(not fps), halo, bioshock etc.But the console has hit its peak,although the lesssaid about mass effect the better,and the lineup for 2008 is very poor.While ps3 owners have such exclusives as mgs4, little big planet, gt5, and possible(probably not) ff13 to look forward to.These games will be amazing and will sell millions of ps3's last year, I am yet to see a 2008 xbox release which will do the same, gears2 if it comes out.If anyone mentions ninja gaiden 2, in comparison with the ps3 lineup they are clutching at straws.Those games are VERY average and will not sell consoles.5starsteve

I agree with you 100% (Waits for the long list of games from 360 fans that arent system sellers but will still be listed)

Infinite Undisciovery- (infinite who)

Ninja Gaiden 2- (not a system seller)

Too Human (looks average at best)

Lost Odyssey (could be good but again.. not system seller)

Fable 2 (has potential i guess, but no casual appeal will sell bad)

Banjo (the only solid looking game for 360 in 2008)

Alan Wake (might be ok i guess, but no killer app)

while there is no question that the 360 has some great games, although mostly fps.Gears(not fps), halo, bioshock etc.But the console has hit its peak,although the lesssaid about mass effect the better,and the lineup for 2008 is very poor.While ps3 owners have such exclusives as mgs4, little big planet, gt5, and possible(probably not) ff13 to look forward to.These games will be amazing and will sell millions of ps3's last year, I am yet to see a 2008 xbox release which will do the same, gears2 if it comes out.If anyone mentions ninja gaiden 2, in comparison with the ps3 lineup they are clutching at straws.Those games are VERY average and will not sell consoles.5starsteve

I see a lot of fanboysm here.

The XBox 360 hasn't peaked. Not even close.

Didn't cows say that Warhawk, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword R&C and Lair would help sell millions of PS3 as well? :lol:

Games like GTA IV w/exclusive content, Lost Odyssey, Infinite Undiscovery, Banjo 3, Ninja Gaiden 2, DoA5, Fable 2, Splinter Cell: Convictions, Huxley, Too Human, Halo Wars, DMC4 and a slew of other titles will keep XBox 360's flying off the shelf.

If you checked my post you would realise, I actually praise the 360's current games, I just don't see a bright future, can you name me a system seller?5starsteve

Gears of War 2, Halo Wars, GTA IV, Infinite Undiscovery & Ninga Gaiden 2. Nuff said.

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Like I said Ninja gaiden is never gonna sell systems, ut3 out on ps3 first, and GTA has sold way more on sonys systems and is generally known for being a playstation game5starsteve

I'll bet you GTA IV sell more copies on the XBox 360, then it does on the PS3 next year. Halo Wars, Ninja Gaiden 2, Gears of Wars 2, Lost Odyssey and Ininifite Undiscovery will all sell systems. MGS4 isn't as big as GT5 or FFXIII, so it's not going to sell that many systems. Besides those 3 games, what else does Sony have that will sell systems? DMC4 and GTA IV will sell better on the XBox 360 this time around.

and ps3 will have peaked by next xmas, the fact is both console have a gpu no better than a 8600gt and maybe not even that. the hardware is about 3 years old now and there is only so much that can be done.

take a look at each gen and about a year or 2 after their relese you see the best graphics of what they ever do, just take a look at gt3 and try and find another racer on ps2 that looks better.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Home. Please. Casual Gamers don't care about Home. Anyways. Little Big Planet will not be a system seller . Try again.

Just_Osmo

LOL @ you trying to know the future. I just said I think it will be. You are trying to make a concrete statement about the future. Therefore, you lose.

I'm not tryign to say I know the future. But little big planet will not be a system seller and everyone doesn't play their consoles online and everyone doesn't have the internet. So how can Home be a system seller when the Majority of people probably won't use it?

the internet aye?? maybe everyone doesnt have the internet, but i can bet you that most of them do...broadband for the matter. People go with the flow my friend...except us cows that wont buy a xbox 360 because you god, the no face marine in green armour, that i like to call"very lame dull guy"comesout in a newhalo game...

i will buy a xbox360 when halo cart comes out!! so im saving up already becausehalo is gonna be spun of into so many directions....HALO TENNIS!! woot woot!

but back tothe topi...how do you know that Home wont be used that much?? (cause your saying that because youseem to think that mostpeople dont have the internet,how manygamers; lemmings,cows, hermits and sheep...do YOU know doesnt have the internet??)AND YES YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY THAT YOU KNOW THE FUTURE!!

I am buying a PS3 because of MSG and Gran Turismo 5 and GTA4, thats why I am getting one, I just got a Wii yesterday for Super Mario Galaxy, after thinking it through I am not getting a XBOX360 because of their poor system hardware, I rather upgrade my PC. To the people that say MSG is not a system seller you must be nuts, played the game in 1998 on a PS was hooked ever since.

I dont think you will see any major breakthroughs in graphics either on the consoles, like the guy that said there is sooo much you can do with a hardware thats almost 3 years old, but graphics are not everything, If I want graphics I play crysis on my PC, there are a lot of games that I like on consoles, super mario world is probably the best game I have played in a while.

Many good games are system sellers, just to different degrees. No console has peaked yet, far from it (I mean as far as games line-up).

I dont think you will see any major breakthroughs in graphics either on the consoles, like the guy that said there is sooo much you can do with a hardware thats almost 3 years old, but graphics are not everything. If I want graphics I play crysis on my PC, there are a lot of games that I like on consoles, super mario world is probably the best game I have played in a while.

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I agree with that first part, however I don't think Crysis looks THAT much better than the best looking console games, and I play it with everything set to High. Setting everything to Very High didn't seem to make it look significantly better to make it worth the drop in framerates.

2008 very poor???

I take it you don't like videogames then? lol