Both.. Come on Casey you can't make a claim like that in the sw's without a list.. That's standard proceedure :P
OhSnapitz
i thought it was common knowledge that the pc = don corleone here.
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Both.. Come on Casey you can't make a claim like that in the sw's without a list.. That's standard proceedure :P
OhSnapitz
i thought it was common knowledge that the pc = don corleone here.
[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]Both.. Come on Casey you can't make a claim like that in the sw's without a list.. That's standard proceedure :P
CaseyWegner
i thought it was common knowledge that the pc = don corleone here.
PC + Mafia (and Mafia 2) = SUXXORZ!!!!11!!!!1!!11!
[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]Both.. Come on Casey you can't make a claim like that in the sw's without a list.. That's standard proceedure :P
CaseyWegner
i thought it was common knowledge that the pc = don corleone here.
I would agree if it had any worthwhile JRPG's but it dosent
[QUOTE="lowe0"]How's Rock Band on your PC?TkLive
How's Witcher, Crysis, World in Conflict, Guild Wars, Neverwinter Nights 2, and Medieval Total War on your 360.
Let us not play this game.
World in Conflict will come to 360 and witcher was rumored to come too.
[QUOTE="TkLive"][QUOTE="lowe0"]How's Rock Band on your PC?ProductNumber49
How's Witcher, Crysis, World in Conflict, Guild Wars, Neverwinter Nights 2, and Medieval Total War on your 360.
Let us not play this game.
World in Conflict will come to 360 and witcher was rumored to come too.
Hey another rumor. Theres more rumors then the cheerleaders locker room on here.
We just laugh at them when they say that. Uncharted looks like something from the creation of ADD patient whose watched too many Indiana Jones moves and has some water color crayons.Question:
Why don't you guys ever attack the PS3? Cows are saying Uncharted looks better than PC games and yet you sit here and attack the 360? Hello McFly's M$'s got their hands in both of our wallets..
OhSnapitz
Question:
Why don't you guys ever attack the PS3? Cows are saying Uncharted looks better than PC games and yet you sit here and attack the 360? Hello McFly's M$'s got their hands in both of our wallets..
OhSnapitz
Because cows end up owning themselves somewhere down the line in thier flawed arguments. Lems put up a better fight.
[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]We just laugh at them when they say that. Uncharted looks like something from the creation of ADD patient whose watched too many Indiana Jones moves and has some water color crayons.Question:
Why don't you guys ever attack the PS3? Cows are saying Uncharted looks better than PC games and yet you sit here and attack the 360? Hello McFly's M$'s got their hands in both of our wallets..
Vandalvideo
Yes but the PS3 is a more powerful system.. And it has a lot more storage capabilities.. And it has Free Online, Wifi, Internet browsing ect... It makes more sense to attack it..
M$ owns the 360 just as they own the PC market.. Of-bloody-damn-course the two platforms are gonna share a lot of the same software. That's like saying the wii and the DS will never have similar software. Or like saying the PS2/PSP never had similar software..
what they dont tell you is that outside of system wars the pc is kind of derided i know the typical pc gamer and let me just say its not a pretty sight head and shoulders and some deoderant would not go a miss. So while many of the elitist pc gamers on here will look down on us lowly console players thats only because they dont understand the social aspect to console gaming and are 2 busy upgrading their pc.
[QUOTE="Truffle-Shuffle"]I have a PC and don't care about it TkLive
Then why don't you use your 360 to make your posts?
I can use my ps3 :)M$ owns the 360 just as they own the PC market.. Of-bloody-damn-course the two platforms are gonna share a lot of the same software. That's like saying the wii and the DS will never have similar software. Or like saying the PS2/PSP never had similar software.. OhSnapitzWrong, Microsoft does not own, manufacture, support, distribute, or otherwise "own" the PC market in any way, shape or form. They only own a large percentage of the operating systems used to power the market. That in no way gives them any form of jurisdiction over the platform itself.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]We just laugh at them when they say that. Uncharted looks like something from the creation of ADD patient whose watched too many Indiana Jones moves and has some water color crayons.Question:
Why don't you guys ever attack the PS3? Cows are saying Uncharted looks better than PC games and yet you sit here and attack the 360? Hello McFly's M$'s got their hands in both of our wallets..
OhSnapitz
Yes but the PS3 is a more powerful system.. And it has a lot more storage capabilities.. And it has Free Online, Wifi, Internet browsing ect... It makes more sense to attack it..
M$ owns the 360 just as they own the PC market.. Of-bloody-damn-course the two platforms are gonna share a lot of the same software. That's like saying the wii and the DS will never have similar software. Or like saying the PS2/PSP never had similar software..
MS doesn't own the PC gaming market, infact they are now trying to be a bigger player in the market with games for windows live or w/e that's called. They own our operating system though O.o
MS did have some good games though, Mechwarriors, AOE series.. Flight sims, but the best games still weren't from them IMO
Your over generalizations fail. Socialization is a very important aspect of the PC gaming community. As a matter of fact, the LAN was practically a keepsake from PC gaming to console gaming. Our lans go into the thousands. Not to mention most, if not all of the PC gamers I know have played some form of sports in the past, so your generalizations are totally wrong.what they dont tell you is that outside of system wars the pc is kind of derided i know the typical pc gamer and let me just say its not a pretty sight head and shoulders and some deoderant would not go a miss. So while many of the elitist pc gamers on here will look down on us lowly console players thats only because they dont understand the social aspect to console gaming and are 2 busy upgrading their pc.
mattacular
[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]M$ owns the 360 just as they own the PC market.. Of-bloody-damn-course the two platforms are gonna share a lot of the same software. That's like saying the wii and the DS will never have similar software. Or like saying the PS2/PSP never had similar software.. VandalvideoWrong, Microsoft does not own, manufacture, support, distribute, or otherwise "own" the PC market in any way, shape or form. They only own a large percentage of the operating systems used to power the market. That in no way gives them any form of jurisdiction over the platform itself.
What OS are you using?
Wrong, Microsoft does not own, manufacture, support, distribute, or otherwise "own" the PC market in any way, shape or form. They only own a large percentage of the operating systems used to power the market. That in no way gives them any form of jurisdiction over the platform itself.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]M$ owns the 360 just as they own the PC market.. Of-bloody-damn-course the two platforms are gonna share a lot of the same software. That's like saying the wii and the DS will never have similar software. Or like saying the PS2/PSP never had similar software.. OhSnapitz
What OS are you using?
Reread my post would you before you make a total fool of yourself? "They only own a large percentage of the OPERATING SYSTEMS used to power the market. That in now ay gives them any form of jurisdiction over the 'PC market' at all."what they dont tell you is that outside of system wars the pc is kind of derided i know the typical pc gamer and let me just say its not a pretty sight head and shoulders and some deoderant would not go a miss. So while many of the elitist pc gamers on here will look down on us lowly console players thats only because they dont understand the social aspect to console gaming and are 2 busy upgrading their pc.
mattacular
Yea Pc gamers definitely don't understand the social aspect to gaming, that's why things like MMOs don't do well on the system :roll:
Wrong, Microsoft does not own, manufacture, support, distribute, or otherwise "own" the PC market in any way, shape or form. They only own a large percentage of the operating systems used to power the market. That in no way gives them any form of jurisdiction over the platform itself.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]M$ owns the 360 just as they own the PC market.. Of-bloody-damn-course the two platforms are gonna share a lot of the same software. That's like saying the wii and the DS will never have similar software. Or like saying the PS2/PSP never had similar software.. OhSnapitz
What OS are you using?
PC is an open platform. Microsoft receives no royalty for any PC games other than the ones they publish/distribute.
Sony makes PC games and Microsoft makes PC games.
Please don't start this argument.
[QUOTE="mattacular"]Your over generalizations fail. Socialization is a very important aspect of the PC gaming community. As a matter of fact, the LAN was practically a keepsake from PC gaming to console gaming. Our lans go into the thousands. Not to mention most, if not all of the PC gamers I know have played some form of sports in the past, so your generalizations are totally wrong.what they dont tell you is that outside of system wars the pc is kind of derided i know the typical pc gamer and let me just say its not a pretty sight head and shoulders and some deoderant would not go a miss. So while many of the elitist pc gamers on here will look down on us lowly console players thats only because they dont understand the social aspect to console gaming and are 2 busy upgrading their pc.
Vandalvideo
I lift wieghts and play baseball at my highschool.
[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]Wrong, Microsoft does not own, manufacture, support, distribute, or otherwise "own" the PC market in any way, shape or form. They only own a large percentage of the operating systems used to power the market. That in no way gives them any form of jurisdiction over the platform itself.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]M$ owns the 360 just as they own the PC market.. Of-bloody-damn-course the two platforms are gonna share a lot of the same software. That's like saying the wii and the DS will never have similar software. Or like saying the PS2/PSP never had similar software.. Vandalvideo
What OS are you using?
Reread my post would you before you make a total fool of yourself? "They only own a large percentage of the OPERATING SYSTEMS used to power the market. That in now ay gives them any form of jurisdiction over the 'PC market' at all."Why are you trying to attack me? I'm merely stating that M$ owns the OS's that 90% of the PC users, use. Regardless of what PC you are using, M$ played a part in your setup. They're still getting $$$ from you.
[QUOTE="mattacular"]Your over generalizations fail. Socialization is a very important aspect of the PC gaming community. As a matter of fact, the LAN was practically a keepsake from PC gaming to console gaming. Our lans go into the thousands. Not to mention most, if not all of the PC gamers I know have played some form of sports in the past, so your generalizations are totally wrong.what they dont tell you is that outside of system wars the pc is kind of derided i know the typical pc gamer and let me just say its not a pretty sight head and shoulders and some deoderant would not go a miss. So while many of the elitist pc gamers on here will look down on us lowly console players thats only because they dont understand the social aspect to console gaming and are 2 busy upgrading their pc.
Vandalvideo
im not talking about lan im talking about split screen what can was better than hving a few mates over and playing marathon sessions of goldeneye then halo when the xbox came out. i dunno maybe with having a brother my age we grew up wanted to play each other in our games without the complication of setting up 2 computers.
Why are you trying to attack me? I'm merely stating that M$ owns the OS's that 90% of the PC users, use. Regardless of what PC you are using, M$ played a part in your setup. They're still getting $$$ from you.OhSnapitzThey are indirectly getting money from me, as are thousands of other software manufactures and hardware manufacturers. None of them own the PC.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mattacular"]Your over generalizations fail. Socialization is a very important aspect of the PC gaming community. As a matter of fact, the LAN was practically a keepsake from PC gaming to console gaming. Our lans go into the thousands. Not to mention most, if not all of the PC gamers I know have played some form of sports in the past, so your generalizations are totally wrong.what they dont tell you is that outside of system wars the pc is kind of derided i know the typical pc gamer and let me just say its not a pretty sight head and shoulders and some deoderant would not go a miss. So while many of the elitist pc gamers on here will look down on us lowly console players thats only because they dont understand the social aspect to console gaming and are 2 busy upgrading their pc.
mattacular
im not talking about lan im talking about split screen what can was better than hving a few mates over and playing marathon sessions of goldeneye then halo when the xbox came out. i dunno maybe with having a brother my age we grew up wanted to play each other in our games without the complication of setting up 2 computers.
You said social aspects, which include LANS, especially since lans can be in the same room. Oh, and there are PC gamesl ike PES that support splitscreen. You're out of your league here, stop now.[QUOTE="mattacular"]what they dont tell you is that outside of system wars the pc is kind of derided i know the typical pc gamer and let me just say its not a pretty sight head and shoulders and some deoderant would not go a miss. So while many of the elitist pc gamers on here will look down on us lowly console players thats only because they dont understand the social aspect to console gaming and are 2 busy upgrading their pc.
jangojay
Yea Pc gamers definitely don't understand the social aspect to gaming, that's why things like MMOs don't do well on the system :roll:
yeah mmos where people die because they dont eat or sleep and they make friends with their virtual buddies that doesnt help your point ...
[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="jangojay"]Oh one more thing for the road!
PC has most AAAs, AAs,exclusives and we get most of X360s exclusives and multiplats.
I'd definitely put us over them :)
cobrax25
List em.. oh and btw don't go past Nov 05 seeing as how the 360 wasn't even out then...
are you saying that you don't believe him or are you just curious?
Both.. Come on Casey you can't make a claim like that in the sw's without a list.. That's standard proceedure :P
here is the list in case you didnt see it posted above.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p7pcq78sddbXfN0A-LjKWEA&gid=1
Owned!
PC wins every gen pretty much.
[QUOTE="mattacular"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mattacular"]Your over generalizations fail. Socialization is a very important aspect of the PC gaming community. As a matter of fact, the LAN was practically a keepsake from PC gaming to console gaming. Our lans go into the thousands. Not to mention most, if not all of the PC gamers I know have played some form of sports in the past, so your generalizations are totally wrong.what they dont tell you is that outside of system wars the pc is kind of derided i know the typical pc gamer and let me just say its not a pretty sight head and shoulders and some deoderant would not go a miss. So while many of the elitist pc gamers on here will look down on us lowly console players thats only because they dont understand the social aspect to console gaming and are 2 busy upgrading their pc.
Vandalvideo
im not talking about lan im talking about split screen what can was better than hving a few mates over and playing marathon sessions of goldeneye then halo when the xbox came out. i dunno maybe with having a brother my age we grew up wanted to play each other in our games without the complication of setting up 2 computers.
You said social aspects, which include LANS, especially since lans can be in the same room. Oh, and there are PC gamesl ike PES that support splitscreen. You're out of your league here, stop now.yeah and just how practical is it to set up 2 pcs in 1 room one of the main features of consoles is their social aspect why do u think the wii is doing so well. call me jaded but im sick to death of the elitest pc attitude on here that ur not a proper gamer unless u have an uber rig its just pathetic
[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]Why are you trying to attack me? I'm merely stating that M$ owns the OS's that 90% of the PC users, use. Regardless of what PC you are using, M$ played a part in your setup. They're still getting $$$ from you.VandalvideoThey are indirectly getting money from me, as are thousands of other software manufactures and hardware manufacturers. None of them own the PC.
The point is they are still getting money from you... So attacking the 360 means what exactly? That's like me bashing the wii and yet I still own a DS..
[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]World in Conflict is on the 360 in a few months. :|
TkLive
Oh, please. Don't spout out that garbage to me. The multiplayer/modes are very limited. It's not even being developed by Massive; and don't get me started on the controls.
Translation: I was wrong so let me try to make myself look right.yeah and just how practical is it to set up 2 pcs in 1 room one of the main features of consoles is their social aspect why do u think the wii is doing so well. call me jaded but im sick to death of the elitest pc attitude on here that ur not a proper gamer unless u have an uber rig its just patheticmattacularits extremely easy to do, especially when you have Micro atx cases that are smaller than gamecubes. Oh, and i'll let you in on a secret, I don't have an uber rig, I only have a modest rig and I can run all the modern games perfectly fine. And again, PC supports splitscreen.
They are indirectly getting money from me, as are thousands of other software manufactures and hardware manufacturers. None of them own the PC.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]Why are you trying to attack me? I'm merely stating that M$ owns the OS's that 90% of the PC users, use. Regardless of what PC you are using, M$ played a part in your setup. They're still getting $$$ from you.OhSnapitz
The point is they are still getting money from you... So attacking the 360 means what exactly? That's like me bashing the wii and yet I still own a DS..
The point is, your statements were wrong. MS does not OWN pc gaming at all.[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="mattacular"]what they dont tell you is that outside of system wars the pc is kind of derided i know the typical pc gamer and let me just say its not a pretty sight head and shoulders and some deoderant would not go a miss. So while many of the elitist pc gamers on here will look down on us lowly console players thats only because they dont understand the social aspect to console gaming and are 2 busy upgrading their pc.
mattacular
Yea Pc gamers definitely don't understand the social aspect to gaming, that's why things like MMOs don't do well on the system :roll:
yeah mmos where people die because they dont eat or sleep and they make friends with their virtual buddies that doesnt help your point ...
Umm social aspect is the point you missed my friend also, your generalizations don't helo your point, they just make you look stupid.
[QUOTE="mattacular"]yeah and just how practical is it to set up 2 pcs in 1 room one of the main features of consoles is their social aspect why do u think the wii is doing so well. call me jaded but im sick to death of the elitest pc attitude on here that ur not a proper gamer unless u have an uber rig its just patheticVandalvideoits extremely easy to do, especially when you have Micro atx cases that are smaller than gamecubes. Oh, and i'll let you in on a secret, I don't have an uber rig, I only have a modest rig and I can run all the modern games perfectly fine. And again, PC supports splitscreen.
you still didnt respond to my point about the stupid elitist attitude and how much do these micro rigs cost and its not exactly as simple as getting an extra controller 4 each of ur mates is it.
its extremely easy to do, especially when you have Micro atx cases that are smaller than gamecubes. Oh, and i'll let you in on a secret, I don't have an uber rig, I only have a modest rig and I can run all the modern games perfectly fine. And again, PC supports splitscreen.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mattacular"]yeah and just how practical is it to set up 2 pcs in 1 room one of the main features of consoles is their social aspect why do u think the wii is doing so well. call me jaded but im sick to death of the elitest pc attitude on here that ur not a proper gamer unless u have an uber rig its just patheticmattacular
you still didnt respond to my point about the stupid elitist attitude and how much do these micro rigs cost and its not exactly as simple as getting an extra controller 4 each of ur mates is it.
Micro atx cases cost no more than regular cases, and its extremely easy to do. Its not as simple as a console, but its not extremely hard either. Its well worth the small ammount of extra effort.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]We just laugh at them when they say that. Uncharted looks like something from the creation of ADD patient whose watched too many Indiana Jones moves and has some water color crayons.Question:
Why don't you guys ever attack the PS3? Cows are saying Uncharted looks better than PC games and yet you sit here and attack the 360? Hello McFly's M$'s got their hands in both of our wallets..
OhSnapitz
Yes but the PS3 is a more powerful system.. And it has a lot more storage capabilities.. And it has Free Online, Wifi, Internet browsing ect... It makes more sense to attack it..
M$ owns the 360 just as they own the PC market.. Of-bloody-damn-course the two platforms are gonna share a lot of the same software. That's like saying the wii and the DS will never have similar software. Or like saying the PS2/PSP never had similar software..
PC's are more powerful than consoles and will always be that way. PC's have free online, wifi and internet browsing too. The storage is about even since PS3's HDD can be upgradable and there are Blu-ray drive addon's and some PC's come with them.MS does not own the PC market. They just make 2 operating systems for it.
[QUOTE="mattacular"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="mattacular"]what they dont tell you is that outside of system wars the pc is kind of derided i know the typical pc gamer and let me just say its not a pretty sight head and shoulders and some deoderant would not go a miss. So while many of the elitist pc gamers on here will look down on us lowly console players thats only because they dont understand the social aspect to console gaming and are 2 busy upgrading their pc.
jangojay
Yea Pc gamers definitely don't understand the social aspect to gaming, that's why things like MMOs don't do well on the system :roll:
yeah mmos where people die because they dont eat or sleep and they make friends with their virtual buddies that doesnt help your point ...
Umm social aspect is the point you missed my friend also, your generalizations don't helo your point, they just make you look stupid.
oh im sorry if i dont consider making virtual friends as being sociable. i was talking in the sense of friends you actually have not only buddies from across the globe. i guess i must b stupid tho
[QUOTE="mattacular"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="mattacular"]what they dont tell you is that outside of system wars the pc is kind of derided i know the typical pc gamer and let me just say its not a pretty sight head and shoulders and some deoderant would not go a miss. So while many of the elitist pc gamers on here will look down on us lowly console players thats only because they dont understand the social aspect to console gaming and are 2 busy upgrading their pc.
jangojay
Yea Pc gamers definitely don't understand the social aspect to gaming, that's why things like MMOs don't do well on the system :roll:
yeah mmos where people die because they dont eat or sleep and they make friends with their virtual buddies that doesnt help your point ...
Umm social aspect is the point you missed my friend also, your generalizations don't helo your point, they just make you look stupid.
also im not your friend
[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]They are indirectly getting money from me, as are thousands of other software manufactures and hardware manufacturers. None of them own the PC.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]Why are you trying to attack me? I'm merely stating that M$ owns the OS's that 90% of the PC users, use. Regardless of what PC you are using, M$ played a part in your setup. They're still getting $$$ from you.Vandalvideo
The point is they are still getting money from you... So attacking the 360 means what exactly? That's like me bashing the wii and yet I still own a DS..
The point is, your statements were wrong. MS does not OWN pc gaming at all.I said that M$ owns the PC Market, then I referred you to there utter dominance of the OS's. Meaning they're getting $$$ from you regardless. Please let me know where I said they own PC gaming I'll gladly admit my mistake.
Just like with all the consoles, there are plenty of good games on the PC that you can't play on the consoles and vice versa. So saying "you can't play so-and-so on the PC therefore you fail" is really pointless as it is the other way around.
[QUOTE="mattacular"]its extremely easy to do, especially when you have Micro atx cases that are smaller than gamecubes. Oh, and i'll let you in on a secret, I don't have an uber rig, I only have a modest rig and I can run all the modern games perfectly fine. And again, PC supports splitscreen.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mattacular"]yeah and just how practical is it to set up 2 pcs in 1 room one of the main features of consoles is their social aspect why do u think the wii is doing so well. call me jaded but im sick to death of the elitest pc attitude on here that ur not a proper gamer unless u have an uber rig its just patheticVandalvideo
you still didnt respond to my point about the stupid elitist attitude and how much do these micro rigs cost and its not exactly as simple as getting an extra controller 4 each of ur mates is it.
Micro atx cases cost no more than regular cases, and its extremely easy to do. Its not as simple as a console, but its not extremely hard either. Its well worth the small ammount of extra effort.tbh ive never heard of them socant really comment on them but what i will say is that gaming is supposed to be about fun and so it annoys me to see pc gamers bashing consoles because they dont have the best graphics and because they have noob FPS's the most fun ive had in gaming has been sat round a console with a few mates and so thats more important to me
I said that M$ owns the PC Market, then I referred you to there utter dominance of the OS's. Meaning they're getting $$$ from you regardless. Please let me know where I said they own PC gaming I'll gladly admit my mistake. OhSnapitzExactly, you said MS owns the PC market, and they don't, end of story.
tbh ive never heard of them socant really comment on them but what i will say is that gaming is supposed to be about fun and so it annoys me to see pc gamers bashing consoles because they dont have the best graphics and because they have noob FPS's the most fun ive had in gaming has been sat round a console with a few mates and so thats more important to memattacularAnd you can sit around a PC as well. Its just your misconceptiosn that jade you.
The 360 has some good titles but I prefer the PC. I like the controls better and I find I enjoy tinkering with my system just as much as I like to game on it.
While you can definitely buy a good PC that could run Crysis on medium settings without a monitor for $500, I believe most people spend at least $1000 to make sure it can keep up for a few years.
The PC doesn't require that much upgrades to stay in the game, either. But, it really depends on what parts you buy initially. If you pay $1500 or more it should last a good two years before you have to upgrade.
PC gaming costs more but it always has and obviously people don't care or else Nvidia would stop all production on mid or high-end cards.
[QUOTE="mattacular"]tbh ive never heard of them socant really comment on them but what i will say is that gaming is supposed to be about fun and so it annoys me to see pc gamers bashing consoles because they dont have the best graphics and because they have noob FPS's the most fun ive had in gaming has been sat round a console with a few mates and so thats more important to meVandalvideoAnd you can sit around a PC as well. Its just your misconceptiosn that jade you.
well yeah maybe i am a bit jaded but so are 99% of pc gamers on here who somwhere forgot gaming was supposed to be fun and instead compares graphics and the ultimate control set up instead of enjoying the games. I guess PC fanboys are just as bad as all the others but on here it often gets forgotten
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