There is Nothing in Uncharted 3 that can't be done on a 360

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#53 savagetwinkie
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Nobody thinks that the PS3 is leaps and bounds more powerful then the 360. But the CPU for the PS3 is a little more advanced. If you have a game like uncharted 3 which is made specifically for PS3 and uses a lot of techniques that specifically utalize the cell and/or bluray then no, it's not outside the relem of possibility that it couldn't be done on 360. At least not in the form it is now. It's not a diss to the 360 it siply that for all their similarities there are differences between them and some games take advatage of those differences more then others, particularly exclusives.

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the CELL is used for floating point calculations, the GPU specializes in floating point calculations.... all the CELL is doing with its "new techniques" is mimic what a good GPU can already do
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#54 waltefmoney
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What makes you think what walt said was serious?

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I'm serious. I think.

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#55 Legendaryscmt
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its just propaganda Ubisoft said conviction could not be done on the PS3

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/07/ubisoft-says-conviction-cant-be-done-on-ps3/

do you guys really believe that? don't believe everything people say

Golden_Boy187

If you bothered to read the two paragraph article, they only say there are things that couldn't be done on the PS3, not that the game itself couldn't be on the PS3.

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#56 rasengan2552
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[QUOTE="rasengan2552"]

360 would hiccup.

it would probably need a 4th disc for the MP portion.;)

It can be done, but you'd need 2-3 discs just to play a 10 hour game. Thanks to the 360's horrible storage medium.

savagetwinkie
umm you do realize that UC3 probably isn't that big?

quote from the devs about UC2 ... "You can play the entire game without loading. We don't require an install. We're doing all the post-processing effects on the SPUs [Synergistic Processing Units]. The quality of the depth of field we have, you can't do that on the Xbox. We've invested a lot of time maximising the power of the machine," -Balestra - Naughty Dog. now imagine UC3.
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#57 LegatoSkyheart
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IDIOTS! its just propaganda Ubisoft said conviction could not be done on the PS3

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/07/ubisoft-says-conviction-cant-be-done-on-ps3/

do you guys really believe that? don't believe everything people say

Golden_Boy187

NO ONE'S EVEN ON THAT SUBJECT ANYMORE! KTHNXBAI!


ugh...seriously, It doesn't matter if Uncharted 3 can't be done on a 360, It matters if it's an Exclusive.

Meaning the 360 will NEVER get Uncharted NO MATTER WHAT!

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#58 Golden_Boy187
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[QUOTE="Golden_Boy187"]

its just propaganda Ubisoft said conviction could not be done on the PS3

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/07/ubisoft-says-conviction-cant-be-done-on-ps3/

do you guys really believe that? don't believe everything people say

Legendaryscmt

If you bothered to read the two paragraph article, they only say there are things that couldn't be done on the PS3, not that the game itself couldn't be on the PS3.

and do you believe that those things can't be done on the PS3? if so you are a fool

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#59 WithoutGraceXII
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The whole it can/can't be done on this or that console is even dumber than pixel counting and crying about graphics king. That video is very impressive, I just didn't like uc2 and since this looks pretty similar, I'll probably pass on 3.
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#60 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"]

360 would hiccup.

it would probably need a 4th disc for the MP portion.;)

It can be done, but you'd need 2-3 discs just to play a 10 hour game. Thanks to the 360's horrible storage medium.

rasengan2552
umm you do realize that UC3 probably isn't that big?

quote from the devs about UC2 ... "You can play the entire game without loading. We don't require an install. We're doing all the post-processing effects on the SPUs [Synergistic Processing Units]. The quality of the depth of field we have, you can't do that on the Xbox. We've invested a lot of time maximising the power of the machine," -Balestra - Naughty Dog. now imagine UC3.

are you really that oblivious to what I said? i didn't even mention graphics, just saying its not likely even near 2 discs worth of material... and they are right its impossible to move the post processing effects onto the SPU's of the 360 since it doesn't have any...
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#61 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Obviously and the same could be said about Gears 3. Both consoles are technically even.

rasengan2552

you honestly with a straight face believe that Gears 3 can't be done on the PS3 ? ... really ? Gears Of War 3 would be like the 5th or 6th best looking game on Playstation.

*straight face on*

I said any PS3 could be done on 360 and vice versa.

Also no, i played Gears 3 beta and most PS3 exclusives. Gears 3 does look at least as good as the best looking of them.

*straight face off*

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#62 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

[QUOTE="Golden_Boy187"]

its just propaganda Ubisoft said conviction could not be done on the PS3

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/07/ubisoft-says-conviction-cant-be-done-on-ps3/

do you guys really believe that? don't believe everything people say

Golden_Boy187

If you bothered to read the two paragraph article, they only say there are things that couldn't be done on the PS3, not that the game itself couldn't be on the PS3.

and do you believe that those things can't be done on the PS3? if so you are a fool

i do believe they might not be able to be done well, same with 360 not being able to hold performance with the same things ps3 does.
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#63 Bus-A-Bus
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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"]

360 would hiccup.

it would probably need a 4th disc for the MP portion.;)

It can be done, but you'd need 2-3 discs just to play a 10 hour game. Thanks to the 360's horrible storage medium.

rasengan2552

umm you do realize that UC3 probably isn't that big?

quote from the devs about UC2 ... "You can play the entire game without loading. We don't require an install. We're doing all the post-processing effects on the SPUs [Synergistic Processing Units]. The quality of the depth of field we have, you can't do that on the Xbox. We've invested a lot of time maximising the power of the machine," -Balestra - Naughty Dog. now imagine UC3.

Yes.They are running it all without loadings since cutscenes are pre rendered(so the next chapter can be read to memory).As for depth of field.It is bull****.That was 2 years ago,when they were first guys to come up with nice DOF.Now alot of games have great DOF(Gears 3,new Tomb Raider,GOW III,even MW3 and its 60fps) and Crysis 2 even has bokeh DOF(something not yet seen on consoles).

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#64 rasengan2552
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[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Obviously and the same could be said about Gears 3. Both consoles are technically even.

PAL360

you honestly with a straight face believe that Gears 3 can't be done on the PS3 ? ... really ? Gears Of War 3 would be like the 5th or 6th best looking game on Playstation.

*straight face on*

I said any PS3 could be done on 360 and vice versa.

Also no, i played Gears 3 beta and most PS3 exclusives. Gears 3 does look at least as good as the best looking of them.

*straight face off*

somehwat off-topic: I don't even know why Lem praise Gears as best looking and Cows praise Uncharted when the best looking game on the 360 is Crysis 2 and the best looking game on the PS3 is Killzone 3. maybe because those games are crap ?

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#65 LegatoSkyheart
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NO ONE'S EVEN ON THAT SUBJECT ANYMORE! KTHNXBAI!

LegatoSkyheart

If you bothered to read the two paragraph article, they only say there are things that couldn't be done on the PS3, not that the game itself couldn't be on the PS3.

Legendaryscmt

Way to prove me wrong.

*sigh*

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But there is something in RDR that PS3 can't do :shock:

Grass. :P

Seriously, they are both about as equal as it gets these dayzzzz.

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#67 kraken2109
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I don't see why not. The 360 has a better GPU than the PS3.

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The only thing in Uncharted 3 that 360 can't do is everything in Uncharted 3. Why? Well, for the same reason that the PS3 can't run Viva Pinata. It's exclusive. :P
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The only thing in Uncharted 3 that 360 can't do is everything in Uncharted 3. Why? Well, for the same reason that the PS3 can't run Viva Pinata. It's exclusive. :P MrSelf-Destruct


:lol: I actually laughed out loud. Good one.

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#70 arkephonic
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The 360 wouldn't be able to do the Sixaxis segments :P

I think Naughty Dog said that the 360 was incapable of running Uncharted as well.

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#71 speedfog
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Its allways possible... The only things is its exclusive.

But maybe in the future... :D

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I stand by what I said. The same can be said about ALL 360 games (substitute improved lighting with worse textures). What you guys argue about is really inconsequential .. Both systems are equivalent.

Naughty Dog is wrong. There is nothing special about what they've done that makes it impossible on a 360. Its good fodder for Sony but basically BS..

No I'm not a game Dev but I am in software Dev. Not like that matters one way or another.

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I stand by what I said. The same can be said about ALL 360 games (substitute improved lighting with worse textures). What you guys argue about is really inconsequential .. Both systems are equivalent.

Naughty Dog is wrong. There is nothing special about what they've done that makes it impossible on a 360. Its good fodder for Sony but basically BS..

No I'm not a game Dev but I am in software Dev. Not like that matters one way or another.

ttboy
well you should know that space wise its not possible without sacrificing content, both consoles would basically end up with a gimped version of the game in order for both versions to play equally. Actually like MGS4, Uncharted 2 had to be compressed to fit Blu Ray. DVD is out of the question.
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[QUOTE="ttboy"]

I stand by what I said. The same can be said about ALL 360 games (substitute improved lighting with worse textures). What you guys argue about is really inconsequential .. Both systems are equivalent.

Naughty Dog is wrong. There is nothing special about what they've done that makes it impossible on a 360. Its good fodder for Sony but basically BS..

No I'm not a game Dev but I am in software Dev. Not like that matters one way or another.

rasengan2552

well you should know that space wise its not possible without sacrificing content, both consoles would basically end up with a gimped version of the game in order for both versions to play equally. Actually like MGS4, Uncharted 2 had to be compressed to fit Blu Ray. DVD is out of the question.

MGS4 can also be done. Sure the engine would be completely re-written but the core game could fit on DVD9. Some of the space is used to decrease disk search times. The geometry - textures would all fit.

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#75 ohgeez
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I remember watching some dev videos with naughty dog a while back. I believe they said that the reason they could only do it on the PS3 was because of the physics involved on top of the graphics. They talked about the train level in the UC2 taxing the system more than any other part in the game. That was because the level itself was actually moving, turning corners, bumping around. For comparison, the train level in the first gears was just going straight the whole time with a moving background. With the UC3 ocean level, the whole ship is swaying side to side. They said the waves are randomly generated, not prerendered. That, plus the lighting, animation, all the water, chandeliers, cars, etc. rocking back and forth with a stable frame rate and high graphical fidelity is what I believe they are referring to. I'm not claiming to be an expert and I'm certain the 360 is capable of just as good of graphics, but when they say things like that, they are referring to the whole everything, not just the graphics. Just thought I'd throw that out there... But who knows, maybe they could replicate it 100%?
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#76 JohnF111
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Sony own it so technically "It cannot be done on 360"... Nough said quit damage controling when the idea of "Can't be done" applies to more than technicalities.
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The only thing in Uncharted 3 that 360 can't do is everything in Uncharted 3. Why? Well, for the same reason that the PS3 can't run Viva Pinata. It's exclusive. :P MrSelf-Destruct
I lol'd irl. :P
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Sony own it so technically "It cannot be done on 360"... Nough said quit damage controling when the idea of "Can't be done" applies to more than technicalities.JohnF111

There is no damage control. What I don't like is hyperbole from Hermits or Lemmings or Cows that state that one system is so superior to another based on screenshots that cannot be emperically compared (conveniently).

When Hermits say the PC is 10X the power of consoles but not game shows 10X difference (including Crysis) it really bothers me....

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#79 AnxietyAttack
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Obviously and the same could be said about Gears 3. Both consoles are technically even.

rasengan2552

you honestly with a straight face believe that Gears 3 can't be done on the PS3 ? ... really ? Gears Of War 3 would be like the 5th or 6th best looking game on Playstation.

Your statements are just ridicules exaggeration and make you look foolish to any half rational thinking person, and It's obvious that creditability isin't really that important to you as well.

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[QUOTE="JohnF111"]Sony own it so technically "It cannot be done on 360"... Nough said quit damage controling when the idea of "Can't be done" applies to more than technicalities.ttboy

There is no damage control. What I don't like is hyperbole from Hermits or Lemmings or Cows that state that one system is so superior to another based on screenshots that cannot be emperically compared (conveniently).

When Hermits say the PC is 10X the power of consoles but not game shows 10X difference (including Crysis) it really bothers me....

Why does it bother you? PCs run more than consoles in the background and obviously it's harder to optimise the games. I'm not saying 10x more power but you can't directly tell power from screenshots. There is a big difference from consoles to PC, and next to no difference between the consoles.
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#81 rasengan2552
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[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Obviously and the same could be said about Gears 3. Both consoles are technically even.

AnxietyAttack

you honestly with a straight face believe that Gears 3 can't be done on the PS3 ? ... really ? Gears Of War 3 would be like the 5th or 6th best looking game on Playstation.

Your statements are just ridicules exaggeration and make you look foolish to any half rational thinking person, and It's obvious that creditability isin't really that important to you as well.

Oh my that means a lot coming from you of all people lol :lol: now lets see ...

Killzone 3

God Of War 3

Uncharted 2

Uncharted 3

Crysis 2

Mass Effect 2

MLB The Show 11

oh my ...

it appears i DID exaggerate a bit ... Gears 3 wouldn't even be 7th best looking game on the PS3. :)

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Best things about UC3(water and fire) could be quite easily made on 360.UC3 water looks brilliant,but thats not because of power of a cell,its because their artists nailed rigging of it and animations(similar to how R* made horses muscle look so good when moving).Fire would be there without trouble since its high on bandwidth,its alpha effect and PS3 generally has harder time with those(lots of fire,smoke and grass).

Other than that those faces from trailer were pre rendered with better skin shading,shadowing and lighting(DF just confirmed it).UC3 is the best looking game on consoles IMO after seeing SP footage.MP...not so much.

Bus-A-Bus

But how can it be the best looking console game when it looks like the uc3 MP graphics take a nose dive? :? I'm going to respectfully disagree with you because to me right now the best looking game on console is Crysis 2 (360). Again this may change once the retail versions of Gears 3 and uc3 hit stores. But right now between these three games this is my order:

1. Crysis 2 (360)

2. Gears 3

3. UC3

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#83 Lto_thaG
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I don't know.

I don't have any knowledge regarding this.

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[QUOTE="AnxietyAttack"]

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"] you honestly with a straight face believe that Gears 3 can't be done on the PS3 ? ... really ? Gears Of War 3 would be like the 5th or 6th best looking game on Playstation.rasengan2552

Your statements are just ridicules exaggeration and make you look foolish to any half rational thinking person, and It's obvious that creditability isin't really that important to you as well.

Oh my that means a lot coming from you of all people lol :lol: now lets see ...

Killzone 3

God Of War 3

Uncharted 2

Uncharted 3

Crysis 2

Mass Effect 2

MLB The Show 11

oh my ...

it appears i DID exaggerate a bit ... Gears 3 wouldn't even be 7th best looking game on the PS3. :)

that and Uncharted 3 won best graphics of e3 from multiple sources... if gears 3 looks so good why isnt it winning it?

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#85 Com64-2
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Gears of war 1 Budget only 10 million

Uncharted 2 Budget only 20 million

GTA 4 Budget 100 million

Cant any other DEV make a uncharted style TPS on the X360 with the same quality overall or is ND too powerfull?

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#86 TheGrudge13
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has there been a game on the 360 that offers everything that Uncharted3 has , no , so it can't be done on the 360 until a such a game is released
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#87 krayzieE99
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwywuVzrJTg&feature=player_embedded#at=70

The only thing that is amazing is the lighting model. Everything else can easily be done on a 360, Stop over hyping this game. Its as bad as the PC elites thinking the Witcher 2 can not look good on Consoles.

Opps the Witcher 2 looks fine on the 360 so far.

ttboy
Hahahahaaha you actually think the witcher will look the same on the xbox?
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#88 Not-A-Stalker
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I don't know about any of that, but I'm curious if you know anything about programming
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#89 waltefmoney
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has there been a game on the 360 that offers everything that Uncharted3 has , no , so it can't be done on the 360 until a such a game is released TheGrudge13

What do you mean? What does Uncharted offer that games on 360 don't?

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#90 Com64-2
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No tombraider this gen untill now have hade the same quality as uncharted.

I will say lazy DEVs or low budget.

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#91 racing1750
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Nah. Can't be done.TheMoreYouOwn
Keep telling yourself that.
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#92 PAL360
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[QUOTE="AnxietyAttack"]

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"] you honestly with a straight face believe that Gears 3 can't be done on the PS3 ? ... really ? Gears Of War 3 would be like the 5th or 6th best looking game on Playstation.rasengan2552

Your statements are just ridicules exaggeration and make you look foolish to any half rational thinking person, and It's obvious that creditability isin't really that important to you as well.

Oh my that means a lot coming from you of all people lol :lol: now lets see ...

Killzone 3

God Of War 3

Uncharted 2

Uncharted 3

Crysis 2

Mass Effect 2

MLB The Show 11

oh my ...

it appears i DID exaggerate a bit ... Gears 3 wouldn't even be 7th best looking game on the PS3. :)

Dude, you are not helping your point at all!

Gears 3 does look better than those games, you should have played the beta. Uncharted 3 will for sure be a better competitor.

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#93 rasengan2552
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[QUOTE="AnxietyAttack"] Your statements are just ridicules exaggeration and make you look foolish to any half rational thinking person, and It's obvious that creditability isin't really that important to you as well.

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Oh my that means a lot coming from you of all people lol :lol: now lets see ...

Killzone 3

God Of War 3

Uncharted 2

Uncharted 3

Crysis 2

Mass Effect 2

MLB The Show 11

oh my ...

it appears i DID exaggerate a bit ... Gears 3 wouldn't even be 7th best looking game on the PS3. :)

Dude, you are not helping your point at all!

Gears 3 does look better than those games, you should have played the beta. Uncharted 3 will for sure be a better competitor.

I've played the Gears 3 beta, its the same brown, grey black and red game as Gears 2, with improved lighting. It doesn't look better than anything on that list.
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#94 PAL360
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has there been a game on the 360 that offers everything that Uncharted3 has , no , so it can't be done on the 360 until a such a game is released TheGrudge13

Crysis 2 graphics are just as good, Halo Reach has more content, RDR looks almost as good while being... errr...20 times bigger?....

This is not 2009 anymore. Any myth about 360 not being as capable as PS3 was killed long time ago...

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#95 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"] Oh my that means a lot coming from you of all people lol :lol: now lets see ...

Killzone 3

God Of War 3

Uncharted 2

Uncharted 3

Crysis 2

Mass Effect 2

MLB The Show 11

oh my ...

it appears i DID exaggerate a bit ... Gears 3 wouldn't even be 7th best looking game on the PS3. :)

rasengan2552

Dude, you are not helping your point at all!

Gears 3 does look better than those games, you should have played the beta. Uncharted 3 will for sure be a better competitor.

I've played the Gears 3 beta, its the same brown, grey black and red game as Gears 2, with improved lighting. It doesn't look better than anything on that list.

I desagree. But we dont need Gears 3, Crysis 2 already proved many ppl wrong.

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#96 drakekratos
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I guess it could, but you would probably get more exercise by changing the disks than you would playing KinectKevinButlerVP
LOL typical kevin butler post
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#97 n00bkid
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Cause Gears looks A LOT better right?
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#98 AAllxxjjnn
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This argument pops up every year. Uncharted 1 can't be done on 360. Metal Gear Solid 4. God of War 3. Heavy Rain. Now, Uncharted 3.
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#99 AnxietyAttack
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I guess it's hard to beat the theoretical performance of the Cell.

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#100 ManicAce
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Anything that can be done on one console can be done on the other, there might be minor differences but if games like Crysis 2 and Battlefield 3 can be done then I can't see why any of the PS3 exclusives would be impossible.