There is STILL hope for Xbox 360 in Japan

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#1 XxX_Slython_XxX
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But not at the rate Microsoft is going. According to these figures http://www.vgcharts.org/japweekly.php?date=39138, ever since September 06, the 360 sales went from 1000 average, to 5000 in October, to 35 000 average in November, then plunging down to about 5000 a week then on.

Microsoft needs to get their act together and get some awesome games out there.

Blue Dragon helped it, maybe Lost Odyssey will save it?

Again, this is very unlikely.
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microsoft failed in japan, sorry :(
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#3 XxX_Slython_XxX
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microsoft failed in japan, sorry :(mangobear
Won't deny that, so far.
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microsoft failed in japan, sorry :(mangobear

And we all know why don't we. ;)

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I doubt they will EVER sell over a million in japan.

Just give it up, for your own good.

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#6 XxX_Slython_XxX
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I doubt they will EVER sell over a million in japan.

Just give it up, for your own good.

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I bet in it's ENTIRE generation, it will just break 1 million. And I personally don't care, just find it really interesting.
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#7 lawlessx
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im glad microsoft are trying in japan..the more japanese support the 360 gets..the better
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Japan and Xbox is a no no. I give MS credit for trying but I really don't care.
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What different could MS have done?

Seems to me that japanese just refuse to buy it because it's American?

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im glad microsoft are trying in japan..the more japanese support the 360 gets..the betterlawlessx
Yup, and MS will probably get even more support next gen. It'll be a slow road but MS might try to push on with the Japanese support.
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I think they're doing good for a market that is clearly not meant for them.
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#12 XxX_Slython_XxX
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What different could MS have done?

Seems to me that japanese just refuse to buy it because it's American?

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I get that feeling as well, but they also buy iPod and such. There is defiantly a superiority complex, though.
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There arent enough horse racing or bus driving games for the 360 so it will never sell over there.

Seriously some of those games are out to lunch.
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im glad microsoft are trying in japan..the more japanese support the 360 gets..the betterlawlessx

Exactly. I think in terms of support MS has done a great job both with US devs and Japanese devs. MS def deserves some props they have turned things around and doing things alot better than they did with the first xbox.

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I do not care about sales.
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Japan and Xbox is a no no. I give MS credit for trying but I really don't care.waynehead895
lol yup.
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#17 MorisUkunRasik
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Remember the original Xbox launch in Japan and there is the answer to why the Japs don't like Xbox. ALso Europe loves sony and that pretty much sums up why the ps3 will outsell the 360, North American numbers almost mean nothing since the 360 will probably edge out the ps3 by a few million by year's end but worldwide the ps3 should be ahead.
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I do not care about sales.TrueReligion_

Sales are important if you only support a limited number of systems. If you own all the systems it doesn't matter, you get all the games regardless (or at least you'll have access to them).

Sales means your market is more established, and with this growth in user base often means a growth in support. It's a positive feedback loop essentially.

This is why I think the Xbox 360 will do better than most people are probably willing to give it credit for. Yes sales peaked around BD, and then dropped. What happens when LO, Trusty Bell (our Eternal Sonata), Cry On, Project Sylpheed etc. come out? Sales will most likely peak. With enough "peaks" you can start to create trends where the peaks are no longer as noticable simply b/c sales don't drop off as fast as they once did. Not saying this will happen with the Xbox 360, but MS is on the right path this time around.

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#19 mwa
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yeah this gen does not look good for MS, but they have a history of being ridiculously persistent, and they have the cash to keep trying again and again until they get it right, so maybe not this gen, but eventually, i think they'll be able to take a respectable market share in japan
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There is no hope, Wii will be dominate in Japan.
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Japan is buy Japanese ONLY!

They hate to see anything none Japanese made succeed, especially consoles where they dominated before the 360.

If its not Japanese made it will never succeed in Japan.

But the 360 will prevail none-the-less
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[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]I do not care about sales.-RPGamer-

Sales are important if you only support a limited number of systems. If you own all the systems it doesn't matter, you get all the games regardless (or at least you'll have access to them).

Sales means your market is more established, and with this growth in user base often means a growth in support. It's a positive feedback loop essentially.

This is why I think the Xbox 360 will do better than most people are probably willing to give it credit for. Yes sales peaked around BD, and then dropped. What happens when LO, Trusty Bell (our Eternal Sonata), Cry On, Project Sylpheed etc. come out? Sales will most likely peak. With enough "peaks" you can start to create trends where the peaks are no longer as noticable simply b/c sales don't drop off as fast as they once did. Not saying this will happen with the Xbox 360, but MS is on the right path this time around.

What I meant was that I do not care about sales so much that I have to continuously argue about them day in and day out. In terms of developer support, yes, the 360 will most definitely do better than the competition. I agree with your entire post. I just don't let sales bother me. I am confident that the PS3 will sell well, and the Wii is already selling well. To be honest, I enjoyed the Gamecube so much last generation, and it didn't sell very well. The same goes with the Dreamcast. That is why sales do not bother me.
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[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]I do not care about sales.TrueReligion_

Sales are important if you only support a limited number of systems. If you own all the systems it doesn't matter, you get all the games regardless (or at least you'll have access to them).

Sales means your market is more established, and with this growth in user base often means a growth in support. It's a positive feedback loop essentially.

This is why I think the Xbox 360 will do better than most people are probably willing to give it credit for. Yes sales peaked around BD, and then dropped. What happens when LO, Trusty Bell (our Eternal Sonata), Cry On, Project Sylpheed etc. come out? Sales will most likely peak. With enough "peaks" you can start to create trends where the peaks are no longer as noticable simply b/c sales don't drop off as fast as they once did. Not saying this will happen with the Xbox 360, but MS is on the right path this time around.

What I meant was that I do not care about sales so much that I have to continuously argue about them day in and day out. In terms of developer support, yes, the 360 will most definitely do better than the competition. I agree with your entire post. I just don't let sales bother me. I am confident that the PS3 will sell well, and the Wii is already selling well. To be honest, I enjoyed the Gamecube so much last generation, and it didn't sell very well. The same goes with the Dreamcast. That is why sales do not bother me.

Well if you support multiple pieces of hardware than it makes sense why sales mean little to you specifically (same reason I don't care that much, but I will debate about them despite this).

Why care who sells most when you get the support no matter where it goes, right? :)

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Japan is buy Japanese ONLY!

They hate to see anything none Japanese made succeed, especially consoles where they dominated before the 360.

If its not Japanese made it will never succeed in Japan.

But the 360 will prevail none-the-less
Dm1uciano

Yup reason why iPod and McDonald's just fail miserably over there. :|

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[QUOTE="Dm1uciano"]Japan is buy Japanese ONLY!

They hate to see anything none Japanese made succeed, especially consoles where they dominated before the 360.

If its not Japanese made it will never succeed in Japan.

But the 360 will prevail none-the-less
-RPGamer-

Yup reason why iPod and McDonald's just fail miserably over there. :|

Yeah because Japanese hamburgers are the best in the world. :roll:

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[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]I do not care about sales.-RPGamer-

Sales are important if you only support a limited number of systems. If you own all the systems it doesn't matter, you get all the games regardless (or at least you'll have access to them).

Sales means your market is more established, and with this growth in user base often means a growth in support. It's a positive feedback loop essentially.

This is why I think the Xbox 360 will do better than most people are probably willing to give it credit for. Yes sales peaked around BD, and then dropped. What happens when LO, Trusty Bell (our Eternal Sonata), Cry On, Project Sylpheed etc. come out? Sales will most likely peak. With enough "peaks" you can start to create trends where the peaks are no longer as noticable simply b/c sales don't drop off as fast as they once did. Not saying this will happen with the Xbox 360, but MS is on the right path this time around.

What I meant was that I do not care about sales so much that I have to continuously argue about them day in and day out. In terms of developer support, yes, the 360 will most definitely do better than the competition. I agree with your entire post. I just don't let sales bother me. I am confident that the PS3 will sell well, and the Wii is already selling well. To be honest, I enjoyed the Gamecube so much last generation, and it didn't sell very well. The same goes with the Dreamcast. That is why sales do not bother me.

Well if you support multiple pieces of hardware than it makes sense why sales mean little to you specifically (same reason I don't care that much, but I will debate about them despite this).

Why care who sells most when you get the support no matter where it goes, right? :)

Yes, owning multiple platforms will make you forget about sales: I suppose that is why I enjoyed the Gamecube so much. :) The whole discussion about sales is so irritating to me. I just like to enjoy my games, not worry about sales, or corporate leaders like Bill Gates and Kaz Hirai.
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[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Dm1uciano"]Japan is buy Japanese ONLY!

They hate to see anything none Japanese made succeed, especially consoles where they dominated before the 360.

If its not Japanese made it will never succeed in Japan.

But the 360 will prevail none-the-less
PS3_3DO

Yup reason why iPod and McDonald's just fail miserably over there. :|

Yeah because Japanese hamburgers are the best in the world. :roll:

It's a franchise. :| They get the same meat the USA does. :|
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[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Dm1uciano"]Japan is buy Japanese ONLY!

They hate to see anything none Japanese made succeed, especially consoles where they dominated before the 360.

If its not Japanese made it will never succeed in Japan.

But the 360 will prevail none-the-less
PS3_3DO

Yup reason why iPod and McDonald's just fail miserably over there. :|

Yeah because Japanese hamburgers are the best in the world. :roll:

Is McDonald's a Japanese based company? No. My comment had absolutely nothing to do with the products of McDonalds but the actual company and it's origin. :|

Of course, if you want to completely miss the obvious point please do go on.

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[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]I do not care about sales.TrueReligion_

Sales are important if you only support a limited number of systems. If you own all the systems it doesn't matter, you get all the games regardless (or at least you'll have access to them).

Sales means your market is more established, and with this growth in user base often means a growth in support. It's a positive feedback loop essentially.

This is why I think the Xbox 360 will do better than most people are probably willing to give it credit for. Yes sales peaked around BD, and then dropped. What happens when LO, Trusty Bell (our Eternal Sonata), Cry On, Project Sylpheed etc. come out? Sales will most likely peak. With enough "peaks" you can start to create trends where the peaks are no longer as noticable simply b/c sales don't drop off as fast as they once did. Not saying this will happen with the Xbox 360, but MS is on the right path this time around.

What I meant was that I do not care about sales so much that I have to continuously argue about them day in and day out. In terms of developer support, yes, the 360 will most definitely do better than the competition. I agree with your entire post. I just don't let sales bother me. I am confident that the PS3 will sell well, and the Wii is already selling well. To be honest, I enjoyed the Gamecube so much last generation, and it didn't sell very well. The same goes with the Dreamcast. That is why sales do not bother me.

Well if you support multiple pieces of hardware than it makes sense why sales mean little to you specifically (same reason I don't care that much, but I will debate about them despite this).

Why care who sells most when you get the support no matter where it goes, right? :)

Yes, owning multiple platforms will make you forget about sales: I suppose that is why I enjoyed the Gamecube so much. :) The whole discussion about sales is so irritating to me. I just like to enjoy my games, not worry about sales, or corporate leaders like Bill Gates and Kaz Hirai.

Ahhh I see, yeah I do tire sometimes of the senseless drivel as well. You have to approach the threads knowing there are people that really do care simply b/c they're not in your (mine as well I guess) boat. If you take the thread for what's it's really worth, a chance for fanboys to stake more claim for system X, than it may not irritate you as much.

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[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Dm1uciano"]Japan is buy Japanese ONLY!

They hate to see anything none Japanese made succeed, especially consoles where they dominated before the 360.

If its not Japanese made it will never succeed in Japan.

But the 360 will prevail none-the-less
-RPGamer-

Yup reason why iPod and McDonald's just fail miserably over there. :|

Yeah because Japanese hamburgers are the best in the world. :roll:

Is McDonald's a Japanese based company? No. My comment had absolutely nothing to do with the products of McDonalds but the actual company and it's origin. :|

Of course, if you want to completely miss the obvious point please do go on.

Look we all know Japanese gamers are bias of any videogame company that isn't from Japan. That is the number 1 reason 360 isn't doing better. It has more Japanese games out now than the PS3 does and better ones at that. Even if Square said it will port FFXIII over to the 360 do you real think it will sell in Japan?

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[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]I do not care about sales.-RPGamer-

Sales are important if you only support a limited number of systems. If you own all the systems it doesn't matter, you get all the games regardless (or at least you'll have access to them).

Sales means your market is more established, and with this growth in user base often means a growth in support. It's a positive feedback loop essentially.

This is why I think the Xbox 360 will do better than most people are probably willing to give it credit for. Yes sales peaked around BD, and then dropped. What happens when LO, Trusty Bell (our Eternal Sonata), Cry On, Project Sylpheed etc. come out? Sales will most likely peak. With enough "peaks" you can start to create trends where the peaks are no longer as noticable simply b/c sales don't drop off as fast as they once did. Not saying this will happen with the Xbox 360, but MS is on the right path this time around.

What I meant was that I do not care about sales so much that I have to continuously argue about them day in and day out. In terms of developer support, yes, the 360 will most definitely do better than the competition. I agree with your entire post. I just don't let sales bother me. I am confident that the PS3 will sell well, and the Wii is already selling well. To be honest, I enjoyed the Gamecube so much last generation, and it didn't sell very well. The same goes with the Dreamcast. That is why sales do not bother me.

Well if you support multiple pieces of hardware than it makes sense why sales mean little to you specifically (same reason I don't care that much, but I will debate about them despite this).

Why care who sells most when you get the support no matter where it goes, right? :)

Yes, owning multiple platforms will make you forget about sales: I suppose that is why I enjoyed the Gamecube so much. :) The whole discussion about sales is so irritating to me. I just like to enjoy my games, not worry about sales, or corporate leaders like Bill Gates and Kaz Hirai.

Ahhh I see, yeah I do tire sometimes of the senseless drivel as well. You have to approach the threads knowing there are people that really do care simply b/c they're not in your (mine as well I guess) boat. If you take the thread for what's it's really worth, a chance for fanboys to stake more claim for system X, than it may not irritate you as much.

Yeah, that makes alot of sense, but some fanboys, just never give up- so I ignore many of them. Are you considering purchasing a PS3? (if you do not own one already)
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By no means will the 360 come close to that of Wii, PS3 and other Nintendo and Sony products in Japan but it has a chance to start really getting into the market. I'm hoping that the support from Hironobu Sakaguchi (Mistwalker) will benefit. Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey and Cry On and likely more to come in the future not to mention other developers are making games that are generally more appealing to the Japanese gaming community on the 360.
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No, really MS has no major chance in Japan. The 360 will probably sell more than the Xbox did, but no they will not do anything they want to do in Japan.
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[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Dm1uciano"]Japan is buy Japanese ONLY!

They hate to see anything none Japanese made succeed, especially consoles where they dominated before the 360.

If its not Japanese made it will never succeed in Japan.

But the 360 will prevail none-the-less
PS3_3DO

Yup reason why iPod and McDonald's just fail miserably over there. :|

Yeah because Japanese hamburgers are the best in the world. :roll:

Is McDonald's a Japanese based company? No. My comment had absolutely nothing to do with the products of McDonalds but the actual company and it's origin. :|

Of course, if you want to completely miss the obvious point please do go on.

Look we all know Japanese gamers are bias of any videogame company that isn't from Japan. That is the number 1 reason 360 isn't doing better. It has more Japanese games out now than the PS3 does and better ones at that. Even if Square said it will port FFXIII over to the 360 do you real think it will sell in Japan?

Again he mentioned two sources not OF Japan, do you see Sony's MP3 players, or even MS's Zune (which isn't american based, yet iPod comes from the same region as MS and look who's winning.) The 360 has potential to do well, and if FF XIII went over to the 360 it could, depending on how well it's ported and recieved.
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#35 AvIdGaMeR444
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There is STILL hope for Xbox 360 in Japan :lol:

Ummm, no...

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#36 InfamousC
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What different could MS have done?

Seems to me that japanese just refuse to buy it because it's American?

BigDizz

Launched at a later date with better games.

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#37 tegovoltio
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I think the 360 is doing considerably ''good'' in Japan but that's it.
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#38 Brown52
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**** Japan.  Thats really all I have to say.  I think you can figure out what the **** means.
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#39 Sir_Graham
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Microsoft should have bought Sega and made them a subsidiary company and then released the Xbox 360 in Japan as the Sega 360. Plus they would get all Sega games exclusive and many of their games sell well in Japan.

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Well with all the great JRPGs and other Japanese titles coming to the 360 in Japan along with its low price (compared to the PS3) I can see the 360 hitting 3 million + by the end of the generation in Japan.  That may not seem like much but it will be a victory compared to what the original did.

And if you think against the 3 million + sales, Square-Enix's liscense of the UT3 engine (they have the White Engine for PS3, why liscense another? PC games:lol: ? This is a company known for its console titles people...) and a little developer called Mistwalker say otherwise.

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#41 Riverwolf007
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I am glad they are still trying there, but really what do western gamers really get from the 360 being popular in Japan? Support from the Japanese dev community? Who cares at this point? Japanese devs have been overshadowed by European devs. FF12 and Oblivion were both 2006 releases but FF was ignored by critics and fans alike over Oblivion. Sure, FF12 was a commericial success, but where were the GOTY nominations? What I see coming out of Japan is an endless stream of game design with no new ideas. Granted when the Japanese devs get it right they come up with the best games around. Just play Okami or Ico or Katamari as examples. It feels like Japanese devs are just basically dialing it in these days. Then again what do I know, I thought Lost Planet was another typical Japanese shooter with the whole lock-on, and shoot, solve a puzzle and kill a boss with a weakness pattern we have seen a thousand times but people bought it like crazy.
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#42 jazreal
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I doubt they will EVER sell over a million in japan.

Just give it up, for your own good.

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I believe alot of you will be very suprised in a year or two. Im not saying that MS will own Japan...DuHhHhhhhhhrrr....but alot of you will be VERY suprised when they do better than anyone thought they would....mark my words. :) peace
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#43 Berserker_2
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The 360 needs massive Japanese support. It obviously did a good job with Blue Dragon and will likely sell more consoles with Lost Odyssey. However, MS needs about 10 times more JRPGs to compete. If Sony fails, the Japanese developers will bring games to 360. This is the only hope for 360 in Japan.
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#44 HarlockJC
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What different could MS have done?

Seems to me that japanese just refuse to buy it because it's American?

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the games just don't target Japan has much has they should.....Would you buy a system with only one game that targeted you so far they liked Blue Dragon and that it they have cared about

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#45 caje47
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Good for them for atleast trying.
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[QUOTE="BigDizz"]

What different could MS have done?

Seems to me that japanese just refuse to buy it because it's American?

HarlockJC

the games just don't target Japan has much has they should.....Would you buy a system with only one game that targeted you so far they liked Blue Dragon and that it they have cared about

And PS3s Japanese RPGs are none as of now.