These are some legitimate reasons why console gaming is superior to PC gaming.

With a PC you can check frames-per-second and keep fidgeting and upgrading hardware to get everything to run "perfectly", thus you end up spending less time playing the games and more time trying to tweak them. Another problem is that PC games usually don't have as steady a frame rate as console games do, for example a game may run at 100 fps and drop to below 30 fps at certain points. With consoles, even if the framerate does drop below 30 fps, there's nothing you can do about it, thus you think about it much less and just PLAY THE GAME.

Also, console controllers just seem to work better than PC controllers, unless you use a keyboard and mouse, but most video games are simply more fun with controllers (although keyboard and mouse gives easier aim for shooters, but I think a controller is still more fun for shooters and requires more practice to get good at it). Also consoles are much easier to hook up to a TV so you have a big screen to play games on. When you try to hook up a PC to a TV screen, the picture just doesn't seem too look as good as a console picture does.

Opinions?

With a PC you can check frames-per-second and keep fidgeting and upgrading hardware to get everything to run "perfectly", thus you end up spending less time playing the games and more time trying to tweak them. Another problem is that PC games usually don't have as steady a frame rate as console games do, for example a game may run at 100 fps and drop to below 30 fps at certain points. With consoles, even if the framerate does drop below 30 fps, there's nothing you can do about it, thus you think about it much less and just PLAY THE GAME.

Also, console controllers just seem to work better than PC controllers, unless you use a keyboard and mouse, but most video games are simply more fun with controllers (although keyboard and mouse gives easier aim for shooters, but I think a controller is still more fun for shooters and requires more practice to get good at it). Also consoles are much easier to hook up to a TV so you have a big screen to play games on. When you try to hook up a PC to a TV screen, the picture just doesn't seem too look as good as a console picture does.

Opinions?

Timberwolf5578

Another problem is that PC games usually don't have as steady a frame rate as console games do, for example a game may run at 100 fps and drop to below 30 fps at certain points. With consoles, even if the framerate does drop below 30 fps, there's nothing you can do about it, thus you think about it much less and just PLAY THE GAME.Timberwolf5578

Everyone knows that PC vs Consoles is all about personal preference

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With a PC you can check frames-per-second and keep fidgeting and upgrading hardware to get everything to run "perfectly", thus you end up spending less time playing the games and more time trying to tweak them.

Opinions?

Timberwolf5578

What a silly argument. You CAN, but you also CAN NOT. Nobody is forcing you to do this. And I find personally find it enjoyable.

So you would rather be stuck with a problem than have an option to fix it?

as for controllers. I use the exact same controller that the 360 uses for games like Assassins Creed and Prince of Persia.

i didn't even bother reading any of the posts on this page, simply because if they abide to what the title of the thread says, than they are completely false. there is no superior gaming platform. whichever platform suits you better is superior, but only to you. i happen to like consoles more than the pc, but in no way does that mean that consoles are better. if anything, modern pcs are better due to their capabilities.

its all personal preference. nothing else. don't start sounding like the hermits, tc. they're supposed to be the conceited idiotic fools that think they're superior simply because the pc is more powerful. don't sink to their level.

With a PC you can check frames-per-second and keep fidgeting and upgrading hardware to get everything to run "perfectly", thus you end up spending less time playing the games and more time trying to tweak them. Another problem is that PC games usually don't have as steady a frame rate as console games do, for example a game may run at 100 fps and drop to below 30 fps at certain points. With consoles, even if the framerate does drop below 30 fps, there's nothing you can do about it, thus you think about it much less and just PLAY THE GAME.Timberwolf5578

wrong. I have a pc and i dont spend my time "perfecting" my frame rate. Also keyboard and mouse can be either good or bad its just preference so don't even try with that argument.

Give me another reason why pc gaming sucks o wait u cant hahaha

The pc is just better

Thanks to Valve we have so many more advantages like mods and player made maps, not to mention the developer console, a mouse, and so much more

Opinions?

Timberwolf5578

Yes the whole thing .

wrong. I have a pc and i dont spend my time "perfecting" my frame rate. Also keyboard and mouse can be either good or bad its just preference so don't even try with that argument.

Give me another reason why pc gaming sucks o wait u cant hahaha

-MaskedMan-

I could name a few, but like it was said it's preference;)

Who cares which is superior? Jesus, just play what you like.AlexSays

indeed.

Everyone knows that PC vs Consoles is all about personal preference

/thread.

1. Another problem is that PC games usually don't have as steady a frame rate as console games do,
2. Also, console controllers just seem to work better than PC controllers, unless you use a keyboard and mouse
3. Opinions?

Timberwolf5578

1. PC games usually have a lot higher frame rate and steady frame rate then consoles do. Consoles are typically locked in at 30FPS while PC is not and can go higher.
2. News flash. Console controllers work on PC's and in the 360's case are PC controllers. So this point makes no sense.
3. What I have told you is fact.

With a PC you can check frames-per-second and keep fidgeting and upgrading hardware to get everything to run "perfectly", thus you end up spending less time playing the games and more time trying to tweak them. Another problem is that PC games usually don't have as steady a frame rate as console games do, for example a game may run at 100 fps and drop to below 30 fps at certain points. With consoles, even if the framerate does drop below 30 fps, there's nothing you can do about it, thus you think about it much less and just PLAY THE GAME.

Also, console controllers just seem to work better than PC controllers, unless you use a keyboard and mouse, but most video games are simply more fun with controllers (although keyboard and mouse gives easier aim for shooters, but I think a controller is still more fun for shooters and requires more practice to get good at it). Also consoles are much easier to hook up to a TV so you have a big screen to play games on. When you try to hook up a PC to a TV screen, the picture just doesn't seem too look as good as a console picture does.

Opinions?

Timberwolf5578

I have never had to "fidget" with a game to make it "run perfectly". I just turn the game on, set everything to Highest settings and go. Only game I haven't done this on and had it work was Crysis Warhead, where I turned it all to Enthusiast and it was choppy, so I turned it all down to Gamer and it worked well. Crysis/Warhead are the only games I have that ever go below 30, all my other games stay rock solid at at least 40.

Everything in your second point is just your opinion, which is good for YOU making a decision, but doesn't really work for an arguement against somebody else.

Your statement is correct, in an inverted fashion. It's not that we don't have to care about these things because we're console gamers; we're console gamers because this stuff doesn't really bother us. We're okay with 30fps at 720p, and so we don't need to screw around with settings and tweaking. We're okay with the limitations of dual analog, and so we don't really need to deal with finding a place for a keyboard and mouse on a couch.

I'm perfectly happy sinking into my couch to enjoy a game without worrying about whether I would have made that headshot if only I'd had a mouse, or whether I could have had AA/AF, or whether I could have sifted through free mods to find one I liked instead of just paying the original developers for DLC. Others may think those things are too important to pass up, and console gaming isn't for them, but for me, PC gaming doesn't really offer me much that I value over what I'm already getting on consoles.

It all depends on what you value in a gaming platform, and value is entirely individual.

With a PC you can check frames-per-second and keep fidgeting and upgrading hardware to get everything to run "perfectly", thus you end up spending less time playing the games and more time trying to tweak them. Timberwolf5578

Another problem is that PC games usually don't have as steady a frame rate as console games do, for example a game may run at 100 fps and drop to below 30 fps at certain points. With consoles, even if the framerate does drop below 30 fps, there's nothing you can do about it, thus you think about it much less and just PLAY THE GAME.

Also, console controllers just seem to work better than PC controllers, unless you use a keyboard and mouse, but most video games are simply more fun with controllers (although keyboard and mouse gives easier aim for shooters, but I think a controller is still more fun for shooters and requires more practice to get good at it).

Also consoles are much easier to hook up to a TV so you have a big screen to play games on. When you try to hook up a PC to a TV screen, the picture just doesn't seem too look as good as a console picture does

Who cares anyways since pc gaming is slowly being killed by piracy and mmorpg addiction. It just doesn't make financial sense anymore to fund a pc exclusive like crysis. The days of pc exclusives that push video cards to their limits are coming to an end. There simply aren't enough people buying them.

The money is in multiplats and pc games that can be played on common hardware. Using your pc rig as an e-peen has become rather silly. No one cares about how you can run a 6 month old console port at 1600 x 1200. It isn't like the ps2/xbox days where the difference was dramatic.

Who cares anyways since pc gaming is slowly being killed by piracy and mmorpg addiction. It just doesn't make financial sense anymore to fund a pc exclusive like crysis. The days of pc exclusives that push video cards to their limits are coming to an end. There simply aren't enough people buying them.

The money is in multiplats and pc games that can be played on common hardware. Using your pc rig as an e-peen has become rather silly. No one cares about how you can run a 6 month old console port at 1600 x 1200. It isn't like the ps2/xbox days where the difference was dramatic.

dc337

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Who cares anyways since pc gaming is slowly being killed by piracy and mmorpg addiction. It just doesn't make financial sense anymore to fund a pc exclusive like crysis. The days of pc exclusives that push video cards to their limits are coming to an end. There simply aren't enough people buying them.

The money is in multiplats and pc games that can be played on common hardware. Using your pc rig as an e-peen has become rather silly. No one cares about how you can run a 6 month old console port at 1600 x 1200. It isn't like the ps2/xbox days where the difference was dramatic.

Vandalvideo

There is a new option that came with the NXE called community games... Small time devs makin games just starting out...

There is a new option that came with the NXE called community games... Small time devs makin games just starting out...jasonheyman

Who cares anyways since pc gaming is slowly being killed by piracy and mmorpg addiction. It just doesn't make financial sense anymore to fund a pc exclusive like crysis. The days of pc exclusives that push video cards to their limits are coming to an end. There simply aren't enough people buying them.

The money is in multiplats and pc games that can be played on common hardware. Using your pc rig as an e-peen has become rather silly. No one cares about how you can run a 6 month old console port at 1600 x 1200. It isn't like the ps2/xbox days where the difference was dramatic.

dc337

With a PC you can check frames-per-second and keep fidgeting and upgrading hardware to get everything to run "perfectly", thus you end up spending less time playing the games and more time trying to tweak them. Another problem is that PC games usually don't have as steady a frame rate as console games do, for example a game may run at 100 fps and drop to below 30 fps at certain points. With consoles, even if the framerate does drop below 30 fps, there's nothing you can do about it, thus you think about it much less and just PLAY THE GAME.

Also, console controllers just seem to work better than PC controllers, unless you use a keyboard and mouse, but most video games are simply more fun with controllers (although keyboard and mouse gives easier aim for shooters, but I think a controller is still more fun for shooters and requires more practice to get good at it). Also consoles are much easier to hook up to a TV so you have a big screen to play games on. When you try to hook up a PC to a TV screen, the picture just doesn't seem too look as good as a console picture does.

Opinions?

Timberwolf5578

Is that why the PC has the most announced exclusives and highly rated titles? Face it, exclusives are starting to vanish for every single platform. Multiplats are the way to the future. As an independant platform, the PC will see even more exclusives for people who can't afford to publish on all three consoles to get a return on their investments. Vandalvideo

The hard fact is that pc gaming is a shell of its former self. PC gaming has become a "pick-up" for the major developers, a way to get some extra cash after the console version has been sold. As for independent games thanks to wiiware and xbox live/xna independent developers can release console games on a budget. Braid would be the class a example.

Expect more delayed, buggy ports like GTAIV and fewer exclusives like Crysis. Expect endless warcraft and sims expansion packs. That is the state of pc gaming.

[QUOTE="dc337"]

Who cares anyways since pc gaming is slowly being killed by piracy and mmorpg addiction. It just doesn't make financial sense anymore to fund a pc exclusive like crysis. The days of pc exclusives that push video cards to their limits are coming to an end. There simply aren't enough people buying them.

The money is in multiplats and pc games that can be played on common hardware. Using your pc rig as an e-peen has become rather silly. No one cares about how you can run a 6 month old console port at 1600 x 1200. It isn't like the ps2/xbox days where the difference was dramatic.

kidcool189

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Is that why the PC has the most announced exclusives and highly rated titles? Face it, exclusives are starting to vanish for every single platform. Multiplats are the way to the future. As an independant platform, the PC will see even more exclusives for people who can't afford to publish on all three consoles to get a return on their investments. dc337

The hard fact is that pc gaming is a shell of its former self. PC gaming has become a "pick-up" for the major developers, a way to get some extra cash after the console version has been sold. As for independent games thanks to wiiware and xbox live/xna independent developers can release console games on a budget. Braid would be the class a example.

Expect more delayed, buggy ports like GTAIV and fewer exclusives like Crysis. Expect endless warcraft and sims expansion packs. That is the state of pc gaming.

How is this pertinent? Because their mentioning pretty much destroys every point in your post.

I will pwn your thread and state why PC gaming destroys console gaming...Starcraft 2.dream431ca

[QUOTE="dc337"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Is that why the PC has the most announced exclusives and highly rated titles? Face it, exclusives are starting to vanish for every single platform. Multiplats are the way to the future. As an independant platform, the PC will see even more exclusives for people who can't afford to publish on all three consoles to get a return on their investments. thepwninator

The hard fact is that pc gaming is a shell of its former self. PC gaming has become a "pick-up" for the major developers, a way to get some extra cash after the console version has been sold. As for independent games thanks to wiiware and xbox live/xna independent developers can release console games on a budget. Braid would be the class a example.

Expect more delayed, buggy ports like GTAIV and fewer exclusives like Crysis. Expect endless warcraft and sims expansion packs. That is the state of pc gaming.

How is this pertinent? Because their mentioning pretty much destroys every point in your post.

My rig: Commodore 64 with cassettetape backup system, 1200 baud modem, 1000+ exclusive games all enclosed in a custom star wars death star case that I built in my garage. We pc gamers are gods among men.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]I will pwn your thread and state why PC gaming destroys console gaming...Starcraft 2.thepwninator

Nope. You would be a horribly missing out PC gamer, but not a heretic, ;)

STALKER and The Witcher were full games. Both were indie games. thepwninator

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="dc337"] Most announced exclusives? Does that include the endless stream of sims and warcraft expansion packs? Quantity in itself means little, my cell phone also has a ton of exclusives.

The hard fact is that pc gaming is a shell of its former self. PC gaming has become a "pick-up" for the major developers, a way to get some extra cash after the console version has been sold. As for independent games thanks to wiiware and xbox live/xna independent developers can release console games on a budget. Braid would be the class a example.

Expect more delayed, buggy ports like GTAIV and fewer exclusives like Crysis. Expect endless warcraft and sims expansion packs. That is the state of pc gaming.

dc337

How is this pertinent? Because their mentioning pretty much destroys every point in your post.

My rig: Commodore 64 with cassettetape backup system, 1200 baud modem, 1000+ exclusive games all enclosed in a custom star wars death star case that I built in my garage. We pc gamers are gods among men.

Point two: "shell of its former self" because it "has become a 'pick-up' for the major developers". STALKER and The Witcher were developed exclusively for PC, not poor ports. Meanwhile, Dragon Age is being developed as a PC game first, and many more, such as pretty much every RTS except Halo Wars, many action-RPGs, and more besides, have consoles rather than PC as the secondary platform.

Point three: "As for independent games, thanks to wiiware and XBox Live/XNA independent developers can release console games on a budget". STALKER and The Witcher, STALKER, and Sins of a Solar Empire were far more full titles than any Wiiware or XNA game, yet all three were on relatively low budgets (especially Sins). Just because the Wii and XNA have a framework for providing independent titles does not mean that said framework is more effective than the framework on the PC, and the PC is far more indie-friendly than either the Wii or 360 for other reasons as well. It supports far more programming languages and there is no need to pay royalties.

Point four, however, which states that bugs can be common, is sadly the truth, though being a PC gamer 6 months or so behind the curve, like me, fixes up that problem perfectly :)

You close with an extremely unrealistically pessimistic view of PC gaming which just doing some research will quickly disprove.

Also, my monitor is only 1440x900 :P

[QUOTE="thepwninator"]STALKER and The Witcher were full games. Both were indie games. lowe0

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With a PC you can check frames-per-second and keep fidgeting and upgrading hardware to get everything to run "perfectly", thus you end up spending less time playing the games and more time trying to tweak them. Another problem is that PC games usually don't have as steady a frame rate as console games do, for example a game may run at 100 fps and drop to below 30 fps at certain points. With consoles, even if the framerate does drop below 30 fps, there's nothing you can do about it, thus you think about it much less and just PLAY THE GAME.

Also, console controllers just seem to work better than PC controllers, unless you use a keyboard and mouse, but most video games are simply more fun with controllers (although keyboard and mouse gives easier aim for shooters, but I think a controller is still more fun for shooters and requires more practice to get good at it). Also consoles are much easier to hook up to a TV so you have a big screen to play games on. When you try to hook up a PC to a TV screen, the picture just doesn't seem too look as good as a console picture does.

Opinions?

kidcool189

your facts are wrong but I kindda agree with you, (in my opinion), consoles are more superior than pc gaming, in my opinion anyway. First thing is that I have a very crappy pc, and I don't intend to spend lots upgrade it because of money and I do not know how to upgrade a computer. Second thing is that sometimes I play game more than a few hours sitting on a chair one hand on the keyboard and the other on the mouse is just not pleasant, of course I could buy gamepads, but gamepads aren't free. Third thing is that I use my computers for a lot more other stuffs. Fourth thing is that my monitor is 15 inches while my hdtv is 46 inches, I know I can connect my computer to my hdtv but again, it cost money.

Point one: "endless stream of sims and warcraft expansion packs". STALKER and The Witcher are neither. thepwninator

Point two: "shell of its former self" because it "has become a 'pick-up' for the major developers". STALKER and The Witcher were developed exclusively for PC, not poor ports. thepwninator

Just because the Wii and XNA have a framework for providing independent titles does not mean that said framework is more effective than the framework on the PC, and the PC is far more indie-friendly than either the Wii or 360 for other reasons as well. thepwninator

Anyways my view is that pc gaming is not what it used to be. John Carmack agrees.

http://blogs.pcworld.com/gameon/archives/007422.html

With a PC you can check frames-per-second and keep fidgeting and upgrading hardware to get everything to run "perfectly", thus you end up spending less time playing the games and more time trying to tweak them. Another problem is that PC games usually don't have as steady a frame rate as console games do, for example a game may run at 100 fps and drop to below 30 fps at certain points. With consoles, even if the framerate does drop below 30 fps, there's nothing you can do about it, thus you think about it much less and just PLAY THE GAME.

Also, console controllers just seem to work better than PC controllers, unless you use a keyboard and mouse, but most video games are simply more fun with controllers (although keyboard and mouse gives easier aim for shooters, but I think a controller is still more fun for shooters and requires more practice to get good at it). Also consoles are much easier to hook up to a TV so you have a big screen to play games on. When you try to hook up a PC to a TV screen, the picture just doesn't seem too look as good as a console picture does.

Opinions?

Timberwolf5578

1. You know nothing about PC games apparently. No game, and i repeat, NO game goes from 100 fps down to 30 fps at any point of any game. 100 fps to 30 fps simply doesn't happen. Too large a drop unless you have something running in the background like a virus scanner, that would slow it down heavily but, normally, no game drops from that high to that low.

2. Most genres work perfectly with KB/Mouse. Games aren't "more fun" with a gamepad. Only genres that a gamepad works better for is fighters/Sports titles and the PC has great gamepads for those games.

3. You think imprecise aiming makes gamepads more fun than a KB/Mouse? What a joke. I play shooters on both platforms (some are only on PC and some only on console) and the PC ones far outshine the console ones in terms of skill of players as well as, well, everything. Comfortable is a matter of opinion and yours isn't fact.

4. Your opinion =/= legitimate reasons. Quit trying to justify not playing PC games. Believe it or not, PC's were the first platform any games were ever played on. Every year just keeps getting better and better for PC. Also, upgrading and tweaking your PC is a matter of preference (as is all of this). If you get a new gaming PC now you won't have to upgrade it for a few years and will still be able to play all games at top notch.

[QUOTE="Timberwolf5578"]

1. Another problem is that PC games usually don't have as steady a frame rate as console games do,
2. Also, console controllers just seem to work better than PC controllers, unless you use a keyboard and mouse
3. Opinions?

Blackbond

1. PC games usually have a lot higher frame rate and steady frame rate then consoles do. Consoles are typically locked in at 30FPS while PC is not and can go higher.
2. News flash. Console controllers work on PC's and in the 360's case are PC controllers. So this point makes no sense.
3. What I have told you is fact.

Thanks Blackbond. You're always here to save the day with logic.