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#101 locopatho
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@SOedipus said:

It died ever since Casey Wegner was given the boot.

Didn't he go literally crazy? Like, he was stripped of modship and started like a letter writing campaign to get reinstated and threatened legal action or something? I'm possibly embellishing massively but I remember thinking "Oh, he really DOES take this seriously" lol

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#102 locopatho
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@anderswhk said:

People realized there are more important things in life than arguing about which videogame system is the best.

Blasphemy!

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This gen, the PS4 is just flat out a better system overall.

Indeed. We're not quite at PS2 levels of dominance but there's little to argue with it being clearly the best. A brutal knife fight like SNES vs Megadrive or X360 vs PS3 is best for this place. Or hell, even N64 vs PS1 would be more interesting, quantity vs quality arguments could at least be spun about that if you try, but PS4 just winning easily is pretty boring...

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#103 gago-gago
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One reason was because of cows crying due to having the most flops so they changed they hype threads which also died, I mean look at the prerequisites to create one now, they changed the meaning of exclusives, they got a lot of entertaining users banned, and basically lot of users just out grew the immature daily cow tactics and behavior. That's on top of the the website design changes and layout which turned off even more people. Plus a bunch of legit GS reviewers left GS. Whatever happened to those "emblems" things you get for watching E3 coverage and such too? All of that is gone and urge to be active in the entire website left with it too.

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#104  Edited By dimebag667
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@mojito1988:

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@mojito1988: I agree, but there is still room for good conversation. There's plenty to talk about these days; lack of quality games, emphasis on graphics instead of gameplay, uh...I thought I had more but I'm running dry. Maybe that's the problem...games are boring now. Either way, it's on us to talk about what matters, right?

I don't know about games being boring. To be this has been the best year ever for games. (I'm just referring to what I have been playing this year mind you.)

I just beat back to back Mario Odyssey, Final Fantasy 12 Zodiac Age, Dragon Quest Builders, Zelda BOTW, Disgea 5 (switch edition), Mario And Rabbids Kingdom Battle, Horizon Zero Dawn, Fire Emblem Warriors, and am now working on Assassin's Creed Origins while waiting for Xenoblade Chronicles 2. All that and not even talking about matches of League of Legends, the many indies out on steam everyday, and my main MMO Tree of Savior! When I was a kid (1980s), there would be like one game a month out of reasonable quality, now the supply of quality titles is damn near endless if you are eclectic as a gamer. (I play all systems, so I never run out of great stuff to enjoy)

My god, games are not boring for me this year that's for sure! I have been gaming since the 80s, and there has never been a time quite like now!

(And I still have Persona 5 unopened on my coffee table for the past 3 months!)

That's awesome that there are so many games that you love, but out of that cluster I think Horizon is the only one I would be mildly interested in. But even then I'm hesitant to play it since I'm so sick of open world games. And I fully admit that says more about me than the games coming out, but I just find it harder to find things I like (games, movies, music, etc) now than in the past.

I just beat Hellblade, and it was neat in parts, but falls prey to a major problem I have with games these days...overly cinematic. More and more I see developers push gameplay to the side in favor of visual spectacle. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place, but I'm tired of it. And maybe some of the games you like have more of what I want, but I'm really not that into the japanese aesthetic. The last japanese game I remember loving was Demon's Souls, and then they ran it into the ground. I'm sick of seeing one good idea every five years or so, and then having it squeezed for all its worth for the next 5 years.

If I had to pick some of my favorite games of the past few years I would have to say Demon's Souls, Hotline Miami, Guacamelee, Fallout 3, and COD4. And the sad part is all of those were from last gen. I can't think of a single game this gen that I would rank near those games. Pretty much any game this gen that I thought looked good, or even remotely interesting has been underwhelming or cancelled. P.T. was the most unique and engaging thing I have played in years and then it gets killed. 1313 looked pretty neat...axed! Deep Down...*poof*. I honestly feel like there is some jackass exec hiding in my attic and writing down everything I might like, so they know what not to make. The only thing I'm excited about now (and give it time because "HE'S" writing it down) is the re-release of the "Duke" controller for Xbox, and that addition of BC for Halo CE. If that all come to fruition I will be a giddy little man. It will be the rebirth of my groups Sunday Halo lan fun. 16 people, a stack of Domino's boxes, and a lot yelling. It will be glorious!...if it happens. But as of now, I don't know when the controller is coming out, and I don't know when they will add Halo to the list.

I wish I liked what you like, but at least you have games.

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#105 uninspiredcup  Online
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@locopatho said:
@SOedipus said:

It died ever since Casey Wegner was given the boot.

Didn't he go literally crazy? Like, he was stripped of modship and started like a letter writing campaign to get reinstated and threatened legal action or something? I'm possibly embellishing massively but I remember thinking "Oh, he really DOES take this seriously" lol

Sounds like a walking entertainment unit.

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@locopatho: @uninspiredcup:

LOL.

Persuasive mod powers. *I will ban you before I concede to your point. *

... And take it seriously.

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#107 Ballroompirate
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Site redesign, the constant little ***** QQers who complain about games they never play, alt accounts and trolls sums up the death of the forums and this site.

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#108 SOedipus  Online
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@locopatho said:
@SOedipus said:

It died ever since Casey Wegner was given the boot.

Didn't he go literally crazy? Like, he was stripped of modship and started like a letter writing campaign to get reinstated and threatened legal action or something? I'm possibly embellishing massively but I remember thinking "Oh, he really DOES take this seriously" lol

Yeah, he was in complete denial. He was certain he was going to be reinstated and then Staff came into the thread and told him to stop lying. LOL! I don't know about legal action, though I wouldn't be surprised. This place was his life. Kinda sad.

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#109 schu
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A flop will always be a flop in my heart no matter what the dull current set of rules says. ?

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#110 deactivated-5ac102a4472fe
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A host of reasons I suppose...

First might have been the big staff exodus that led to giant bomb. While I am not the biggest fan of Jeff, a lot of good people left with him. And he really does care about games. So the staff that people identified with left. And it felt really shady on GS part.

The Site redesign was really iffy for a long time, and I think the old design still was better overall.. But at least it does not crash all the time anymore.

A lot of the actual consumer base likely got really disillusioned with the advent of GamerGate. You know.. the new wave of "holier then thou" people, with piss poor morals preaching that we should feel bad for being gamers (for reasons unknown). The journalism and review side of a good many sites had a lot credibility robbed from them (despite correct or not). Even those that just kept their head down and did their job (and did it well) got hit. And I feel like it did not really ever recover. Credibility is a hard thing... takes ages to build, and a single day to destroy.

Social Platforms. It is not just GS, a lot of gaming forums and sites have bled users for a long time, ever since Facebook and the like appeared, social groups tend to have taken over in some capacity.

YouTube happened, it suddenly got easier to find reviewers and gamers that mirrored your preferences better, and seemed less "corrupt" and thus had people flock to them. Making small satellite communities build around these people (like the angry army and such). As YouTube gained a ton of traction, site visits seemed to diminish.

Perhaps however the single biggest reason is the gaming devices and services we use now. My steam list is filled with people that constantly discuss games, no need for a forum, as the discussions are built right into the services I use. My PS4 has the same thing. Forums are not really needed for gaming discussions as much. And as such people likely stick to those friend lists as it is far less of a hassle. When you can simply air thoughts directly on the platform you play on.

I generally think it is a mix of the above reasons.

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#111 TheEroica  Moderator
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@charizard1605: "I killed System Wars. It’s my fault."

This....

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#112 TheEroica  Moderator
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@getyeryayasout: the system wars as a "thing" has run its course too.... How long were people going to argue about better libraries when the libraries of games are 90% identical? Chances are, the 10% that are not identical are on pc also... The companies have done well at minimizing the system wars...

You can buy any of the three major consoles or pc and be totally content knowing your getting great games on any of them. There's nothing to argue about....

... Unless resolution and techy bull crap is your bag, but I personally don't have a single eff to give for that type of side by side nonsense.

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#114 Tigerbalm
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There was a mass banning and few years ago and a site update that left not only SW in shambles, but Gamespot as a whole. SJW mods didn't help either.

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#115  Edited By AzatiS
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@neversummer75 said:

I've been coming to these forums for years.....ever since the original Xbox days. Back then, these forums were alive with lively debate. These days it seems like these forums are ghost towns. What happened?

Sensitive mods chasing people around, drama, some people ego is too big to hear or accept others people opinions which make things too serious ( someone called my mother bitch literally for example based on an argument about Resident Evil 4, others asked for my ban because of heated arguments they started in the first place etc )

This forum is nowhere near to what it was based on fun and heated arguments. Now the moment you going to start something even if theres logic behind it and not just trolling just because you going against someones else opinion or his favorite company, its either youll get seriously flamed, flagged or even banned. System wars at its worst if you ask me.

Sheep asked for my moderation a while ago based on " how i was behaving " then when i came with screenshots about what i was getting from guys around then i had something like " dont play the victim ". Haha. So how this place will be fun again with those guys all over the place being butthurt about everything and chasing people based on personal "issues".

Nah. SW is nowhere near to what it was for a reason nor will change anytime soon. Not if you have X guy making a praise thread or a diss thread then getting upset or mad about people having a different opinion. If they cant handle arguments, trolling or people with different opinions they should gtfo of here and go to the other forums, but no... they keep coming and keep making topics and keep getting mad, angry and upset. People confuse SW with "lets all be friends" or "my opinion is absolute " kind of forum.

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#116 deactivated-5c1d0901c2aec
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@AzatiS: People need to learn that you can go all day!

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#117  Edited By AzatiS
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@jumpaction said:

@AzatiS: People need to learn that you can go all day!

And that you argue with yourself all the time. Also if someone goes all day means someone else going all day too, have you seen me talk to myself ? 99% of the time im replying, like this very moment. so nice try.

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#118 deactivated-5c1d0901c2aec
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@AzatiS: Exactly. People don't realize that when they start shitalk, you're going to go all day with them. They need to learn your debating skills.

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#119  Edited By AzatiS
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@jumpaction said:

@AzatiS: Exactly. People don't realize that when they start shitalk, you're going to go all day with them. They need to learn your debating skills.

Exactly, like you just started shit right now and you replied again to what i said and youll get again a reply back. So who is going all day ? Haha. Why you crying again ?

Thanks for proving my point to my original post all im saying.

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#120 deactivated-5c1d0901c2aec
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@AzatiS: It's brilliant man. :)

That's what people on this forum don't understand. If more users were able to debate like you, this forum wouldn't be so barren.

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#121  Edited By AzatiS
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@jumpaction said:

@AzatiS: It's brilliant man. :)

That's what people on this forum don't understand. If more users were able to debate like you, this forum wouldn't be so barren.

I feel the irony in my bones.

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#122 deactivated-5c1d0901c2aec
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@AzatiS: You should get that checked out. :(

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#123 AzatiS
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@jumpaction said:

@AzatiS: You should get that checked out. :(

I dont even know if youre legit or not sometimes. Ill talk to my doctor about it.

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#124 deactivated-5c1d0901c2aec
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@AzatiS: Let me know how you get on at the doctor. I'll be thinking about you. <3 :(

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#125 jeremiah06
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There was a "great purge of GS" several years ago where the site really cracked down on the TOS and it pretty much drove away all the traffic... It became against the rules to swear or pretty much say anything that could even be misconstrued as an insult. There was also this really douchey guy who posted under a "staff" account who started commenting and banning people left and right for arguing with him. Then on top of they they changed the technology of the forums and got rid of the leveling system... People left in droves and even though things eased up a lot they just never came back... lol I remember getting suspended a lot and arguing with mods "we had a appeal your suspension thread".

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#126 Nintendo_Ownes7
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@kozio said:

Site redesign, perma bans, fired editors, clickbait reviews, trolls, movies coverage, ad-driven journalism etc.

Yeah the site redesign is why I left originally. I finally got back today because I missed some of the people that I remembered on this site since 2005. The last time I posted before today was 2014.

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#127  Edited By Sushiglutton
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My two cents are that the moderation is a bit off. All sorts of real System Wars-like topics are locked. The point of the forum imo is to have absurdly stupid discussions and it kind of doesn't work when the mods are trying to be reasonable. At the same time really destructive drive-by shiposts are not moderated. Stuff like "blog it", "cool story bro" and other lazy oneliners that disrupt discussion and make people think twice about putting any effort in an OP.

Let the crazy flow free, but stop the destructive stuff.

Edit: Ok there's still some golden stuff in here :) https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/sony-shouldnt-mess-with-microsoft-there-could-be-g-33416616/#64

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#128 thehig1
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It's been a ghost town since 2014 when I joined, most interest forums are pretty quite now I've found.

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#129 darkangel115
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lack of actual debate, mostly canned posts saying the same BS over from fanboys

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#130 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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Debating used to be fun and people took it crazy serious, nothing like baiting someone who was an absolute frothing fanboy. lol

The decent posters left don't care in earnest and the ones that do think "salty" is a winning argument.

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#131 Lucianu
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It's because time moves on, people grow up.

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#132 GameboyTroy
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Can these forums be made great again?

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#133  Edited By FLOPPAGE_50
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@darkangel115 said:

lack of actual debate, mostly canned posts saying the same BS over from fanboys

Yeah that too, debates are dead.

any point that is logical is countered with "lol ur butthurt" and gif posts.

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#134  Edited By uninspiredcup  Online
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@FLOPPAGE_50 said:
@darkangel115 said:

lack of actual debate, mostly canned posts saying the same BS over from fanboys

Yeah that too, debates are dead.

any point that is logical is countered with "lol ur butthurt" and gif posts.

Never bought into this argument. For real debate General Gaming existed. It's always been there. The title of this section (and it's incarnation as admitted by Jeff Gerstmann) was to dump the scum and villainy away from the civil nice folk. Going as far to say it was a mistake and we should have been outright banned.

In the end it ended up being the most popular section, and now almost the only active one.

People like conflict, while pretending to be snooty like they don't. It's hypocritical.

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#135 Jag85
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In the social media era, forums in general are dying. And that includes nearly all gaming forums. The only real exception to the rule is NeoGAF.

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#136 darkangel115
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@FLOPPAGE_50 said:
@darkangel115 said:

lack of actual debate, mostly canned posts saying the same BS over from fanboys

Yeah that too, debates are dead.

any point that is logical is countered with "lol ur butthurt" and gif posts.

don't forget the re posting list of games a large amount not even out yet or vaporware

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#137  Edited By darkangel115
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@uninspiredcup said:
@FLOPPAGE_50 said:
@darkangel115 said:

lack of actual debate, mostly canned posts saying the same BS over from fanboys

Yeah that too, debates are dead.

any point that is logical is countered with "lol ur butthurt" and gif posts.

Never bought into this argument. For real debate General Gaming existed. It's always been there. The title of this section (and it's incarnation as admitted by Jeff Gerstmann) was to dump the scum and villainy away from the civil nice folk. Going as far to say it was a mistake and we should have been outright banned.

In the end it ended up being the most popular section, and now almost the only active one.

People like conflict, while pretending to be snooty like they don't. It's hypocritical.

it's not the conflict. it's more of people like to be able to speak their mind and not get banned for making a rational argument like you seen on nazi-GAF. maybe resetera is better but probably not. haven't checked it out but if it's the same mods then the answer is no. don't agree with the hive mind? instant ban. System wars at least allows from freedom, the issue is some people go to far. it's the old saying "we can't have nice things" IDK why it's so hard to get a forum of cool people, active discussion, no trolls, and fair moderation but i'm guessing because most forum mods are trolls in themselves and use that little power they have to feel better about their life. sadly every forum i see in gaming is now mostly a bunch of people bitching about nonsense and if you don't bitch too, they ban you

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#140 SOedipus  Online
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@caseydw said:

@SOedipus: Dude. I was told that I was being reinstated. STAFF didn't know about it. A lot happened behind the scenes so you really shouldn't pretend like you know what happened. It was a case of Darth Vader not throwing the Emperor down the reactor shaft.

Ohhhhh, so that's what happened. Gotcha. I understand completely ;)

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#141  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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Man, even coming back into this thread 8 month passed. You can also see some of the decent posters here have also left GS! This thread couldn't be further from the truth lol.