Things we can AGREE on?

here are just some of the general things i think we can somewhat agree on.
If you dont agree give a reason for the ones you dont. DONT JUST COME AND SAY i dont agree with some of the above.

1. The PC is the best for graphics, if you have the tech.

2. THE PC: keyboard vs controller is pointless. PC's have the ability to play with controllers.

3. THe longevity of games is far greater on the PC. : ex:mods add replay value. : alright ill explain this in general terms. I KNOW that there are games with tons of replay value on consoles. BUT. Lets put that aside and compare 2 games both on the pc and a console. Lets say ure done the game and it takes u the exact same time to beat (hypothetically) with everything unlocked (basically nothing to do lol). Now what? Well, for PC users theres MOD tools. Mods lengthen the game. this is just common sense. Whats even more funny is that im not even a PC gamer (i used to be, back in the warcraft 3 days lmao) but its pretty easy to understand this kind of logic. So in all, ill stand by my statement.

4. Many People don't own a high-tech PC, thus, aren't able to withness the true potential of the game when comparing it to higher-tech PCs.

5. Ps3/360/wii/keyboard controllers and feel are subjective. One may like one or the other.

6. Halo reach/3, mw2, kz2, arent really what we call "bad" games, they are actually all highscoring and many people buy them.

7. Wii has the most casual games this gen.

8. PC obviously has thelargest library (including free online games as well).

9. In terms of reliabiltiy for consoles. WII> PS3 > 360

10. PS3 as a console has better tech. This includes being shipped with WIfi from the beginning, BLu-Ray, Bluetooth. SIXAXIS whereas the 360 has none.

11. PS3 Hard-drives are cheaper.

12. Wii is a more family based console, thought it has amazing exclusives (some of the best even) it generally attracts the casual.

13. 360 attracts mainly the shooter genre lovers. REACH, HALO: probably one of the most fun game this year as a shooter.

14. PS3 HOme and360 avatararen't that popular, however HOME in terms of tech is better...

15. THe option of PS3 to provide a separate add-on service (PSN+) is beneficial to the consumer rather than having no option to choose to pay.
Thus even people want to only play online and not have extra features, PSN being free is better for the consumer. NOTE: this does not argue which experience is better, that is subjective.

16. 360 shooters, and games usually sell more than PS3 exclusives.

17. 360 Party chat is one thing that is advantageous to online which the ps3 does not have.

18. Better exclusives?: based on opinions.

19. PS3 makes less noise than the 360 when running.

20. 360 has the better racing genre this gen as compared to PS3 (So far- not including GT5). - forza.


21. MOVE AND KINECT: both seem to have no core games at launch.(core i mean: high scoring).

22. PC does MMORPGS and STrategy games better than the console.

23. Quality + graphics > just graphics. :P

24. PS3 gives a webbrowser which is one feature that 360lacks.

25. 360 DPAD is not as great as the PS3.

26 Longer loading times on the PS3 ( due to larger files).

27. Comparing the amount of money a 360owner has spent vs PS3, the 360 owner has spent overall more.(this includes havingsame amountof games) WHY? because ofpaying to play online.

28. THE WII graphics are the worst this gen (not including handhelds) .

29. Quality> graphics.

30. The decision to not allow 360 owners who own the arcade console, to play in some features of games (ex HALO3 - coop) is stupid.

31. COD games are rehashes. (they are fun) but dont bring much new to the genre.

32. Artsty-ledoes not mean just cartoony or somethign weve never seen. EX: KZ2 has its own art-st ylewheras HALO has its own.

33. More cheaters and hackers on the PC.

the ONLY things, IMO, we can ALL agree on are 1) Wii is made by Nintendo 2) 360 is made by Microsoft 3) PS3 is made by Sony 4) pfff, Apple seriously, on everything else, there is someone disagreeing on the idea in SW SW is like Athenian democracy with completely insignificant topicfunsohng

ok ... like what tho. Can you elaborate more.

[QUOTE="funsohng"]the ONLY things, IMO, we can ALL agree on are 1) Wii is made by Nintendo 2) 360 is made by Microsoft 3) PS3 is made by Sony 4) pfff, Apple seriously, on everything else, there is someone disagreeing on the idea in SW SW is like Athenian democracy with completely insignificant topicRibnarak

ok ... like what tho. Can you elaborate more.

7. Wii has the most casual games this gen.

After the PC and DS

9. PS3 as a console is more reliable: less breaking down.

Wii is more reliable

12. Wii is a more family based console, thought it has amazing exclusives (some of the best even) it generally attracts the casual.

It's not a family-based console, but I'm sure there are plenty of families who have fun with it. It has much more than just "Family Night" video games.

18. Better exclusives?: based on opinions.

I'm actually pretty certain it's a fact the PC has the best ones :P

21. MOVE AND KINECT: both seem to have no core games at launch.

I personally don't understand why someone who loves shooters, and action games can't like Move or Kinect. It'd be like saying me as a lover of STALKER, Half Life, and Batman AA will find no value in Roller Coaster Tycoon, or The Sims because they aren't "core"

22. PC does MMORPGS and STrategy games better than the console.

PC does basically everything better :P


23. The Library interms of exclusives for consoles: PS3 offers a larger variety of high scoring games. What i mean better is not judging by one game, just the overall library and the game genres. EX: PS3: LBP1/2, KZ2, Uncharted 1/2, GT5, Heavenly Swords, Warhawk, Resistance1/2, InFAMOUS1/2. MGS4, Demon's Souls.

I don't think I can agree when there are games like Geometry Wars, Banjo Kazooie, Shadow Complex, Viva Pinata, Kameo, Tales of Vesperia, Forza, Limbo, etc on the 360.

27. Comparing the amount of money a 360owner has spent vs PS3, the 360 owner has spent overall more.(this includes havingsame amountof games) WHY? because ofpaying to play online.

Depends what you buy really.

29. Quality> graphics.

Graphics and Quality > Quality


Ribnarak

Here's what I don't agree on.

My answers are in the cute pink color if you couldn't tell! :oops:

Not such a thread again. Actually some of your "facts" seem more like a opinion. Even though I love the PS3, I'm pretty sure Nintendo devices (NDS and Wii) are a lot more stable, never heard of a problem similar to the YLOD yet oO Anyway, this is after all System Wars and not System ... Peace-Land, the entire point here is to argue about every aspect of compraring systems, and there's no fun if some nobody defines what we should agree on. Sure I agree on some points of you, but on a lot you could have discussions :S

[QUOTE="Ribnarak"]


7. Wii has the most casual games this gen.

After the PC and DS

Never thought of this, should have included handhelds. ANd yea you are right :)

9. PS3 as a console is more reliable: less breaking down.

Wii is more reliable.
gotta admit ure right on this. Il lchange it to. WII> PS3> 360 interms of reliabilty for consoles.

12. Wii is a more family based console, thought it has amazing exclusives (some of the best even) it generally attracts the casual.

It's not a family-based console, but I'm sure there are plenty of families who have fun with it. It has much more than just "Family Night" video games.
As i said, i know its more than a family night type of system. It offers amazing games, BUT it does generally attract the casual.

18. Better exclusives?: based on opinions.

I'm actually pretty certain it's a fact the PC has the best ones :P
I disagree because one person may like HALO 3 so much that its their most favourite game (btw: nothign wrong with that). SO in terms of liking exclusives, im gonna stand by my statement.

21. MOVE AND KINECT: both seem to have no core games at launch.

I personally don't understand why someone who loves shooters, and action games can't like Move or Kinect. It'd be like saying me as a lover of STALKER, Half Life, and Batman AA will find no value in Roller Coaster Tycoon, or The Sims because they aren't "core"
Ok ill add in core ( being : games that are visually better/ are more probabale to gettng a highscore)

22. PC does MMORPGS and STrategy games better than the console.

PC does basically everything better :P
agree. I mean games are made on the pC.


23. The Library interms of exclusives for consoles: PS3 offers a larger variety of high scoring games. What i mean better is not judging by one game, just the overall library and the game genres. EX: PS3: LBP1/2, KZ2, Uncharted 1/2, GT5, Heavenly Swords, Warhawk, Resistance1/2, InFAMOUS1/2. MGS4, Demon's Souls.

I don't think I can agree when there are games like Geometry Wars, Banjo Kazooie, Shadow Complex, Viva Pinata, Kameo, Tales of Vesperia, Forza, Limbo, etc on the 360.
Key word: High scoring. Not in terms of quality.

27. Comparing the amount of money a 360owner has spent vs PS3, the 360 owner has spent overall more.(this includes havingsame amountof games) WHY? because ofpaying to play online.

Depends what you buy really.
not really. Im comparing two people lets say who have bought a ps3 and 360 at the same time (lets say 1 year after launch). Until now the cost of live has probably cost the person 200 dollars extra.

29. Quality> graphics.

Graphics and Quality > Quality

Definately agree on this. BUt ill stand by my statement. Forexample: a game can have the best graphics. But a game that doesnt have equal graphics could have amazing gameplay. I would play the game with less advanced graphics for the gameplay (more). But hey, maybe that just me.
Raymundo_Manuel

Here's what I don't agree on.

My answers are in the cute pink color if you couldn't tell! :oops:

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

[QUOTE="Ribnarak"]

23. The Library interms of exclusives for consoles: PS3 offers a larger variety of high scoring games. What i mean better is not judging by one game, just the overall library and the game genres. EX: PS3: LBP1/2, KZ2, Uncharted 1/2, GT5, Heavenly Swords, Warhawk, Resistance1/2, InFAMOUS1/2. MGS4, Demon's Souls.

I don't think I can agree when there are games like Geometry Wars, Banjo Kazooie, Shadow Complex, Viva Pinata, Kameo, Tales of Vesperia, Forza, Limbo, etc on the 360.
Key word: High scoring. Not in terms of quality.
Ribnarak

Those games I listed are high scoring :(

[QUOTE="Ribnarak"]

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

Raymundo_Manuel

Those games I listed are high scoring :(

I agree with almost all of your points TC. Nice Job!millerlight89

1. The PC is the best for graphics, if you have the tech.

I agree.

2. THE PC: keyboard vs controller is pointless. PC's have the ability to play with controllers.

Agree to a point, but I find it ackward to play a lot of PC games with controllers. You really

do need to adjust to keyboard and mouse.

3. THe longevity of games is far greater on the PC. : ex:mods add replay value.

I often hear multiplayer games online lasts much longer than consoles, so you may be right. Guess

mods do too. Consoles are getting DLC nowadays though that extends the life of some games.

4. Many People don't own a high-tech PC, thus, aren't able to withness the true potential of the game when comparing it to higher-tech PCs.

That very well could be true or else we'd probably have far more people willing to try PC gaming, but their weak hardware is unable to offer a better experience than their console brethern.

5. Ps3/360/wii/keyboard controllers and feel are subjective. One may like one or the other.

Accuracy and such might not be subjective. Skill plays a big part, too. But yeah, I believe it's mostly a preference. So I don't really see why one argues that one scheme is superior to the others' when it's just a preference mainly.

6. Halo reach/3, mw2, kz2, arent really what we call "bad" games, they are actually all highscoring and many people buy them.

I agree they're some high-quality games, but that doesn't mean I like them. There are a lot of games with high production values and very well made but I would never play them because they'd bore me to death.

7. Wii has the most casual games this gen.

Hard to say without having exact figures, and many peoples' definition of "casual" varies.

8. PC obviously has thelargest library (including free online games as well).

Hard to say without exact figures. If you combine all the legal and illegal though, then I would believe without having to see any figures.

9. In terms of reliabiltiy for consoles. WII> PS3 > 360

That's my view too but I don't know if it's right.

10. PS3 as a console has better tech. This includes being shipped with WIfi from the beginning, BLu-Ray, Bluetooth. SIXAXIS whereas the 360 has none.

Depends on what you define as better. PS3's blu-ray allows massive storage discs to be used, but it's much slower from what I gather than the 360's DVD drive. And I think it comes down to personal opinion on what tradeoff you would rather have: faster, less storage vs slower, more storage. I can definitely some people preferring faster drives and no installations vs slower drive and forced installations, for instance. I think better here is subjective.

11. PS3 Hard-drives are cheaper.

Definitely.

12. Wii is a more family based console, thought it has amazing exclusives (some of the best even) it generally attracts the casual.

Guess so, it has a lot of kid-friendly games. Not too much gore, sexual intercourse, and inhumane violence.

13. 360 attracts mainly the shooter genre lovers. REACH, HALO: probably one of the most fun game this year as a shooter.

Don't know about this one. I think the PS3 attracts those types too.

14. PS3 HOme and360 avatararen't that popular, however HOME in terms of tech is better...

Don't care enough to know.

15. THe option of PS3 to provide a separate add-on service (PSN+) is beneficial to the consumer rather than having no option to choose to pay.
Thus even people want to only play online and not have extra features, PSN being free is better for the consumer. NOTE: this does not argue which experience is better, that is subjective.

It's better for me. I don't want to pay for a service I won't use much.

16. 360 shooters, and games usually sell more than PS3 exclusives.

That's what I always hear, but I don't know if it's true. But I don't care either way.

17. 360 Party chat is one thing that is advantageous to online which the ps3 does not have.

I'm sure it's advantageous to some and it's missing from the PS3, so I guess that part's true.

18. Better exclusives?: based on opinions.

Definitely true, although I'd take Halo over Killzone even though I'm not a fan of shooters. I've been wanting to try the Halo games for a while but I'm not going to buy a 360 without extra incentive.

19. PS3 makes less noise than the 360 when running.

Not enough first-hand experience to know, but I have often heard that 360 users who install their games have quiet systems.

20. 360 has the better racing genre this gen as compared to PS3 (So far- not including GT5). - forza.

Subjective. I'd take Motorstorm series over most racing games I've seen on 360, though I wouldn't mind if PS3 got Forza or Project Gotham Racing. I'm not sure if those are incentive enough to buy a 360 though when I have a lot of good racers on the PS3 already.


21. MOVE AND KINECT: both seem to have no core games at launch.(core i mean: high scoring).

That Tumble game on the Move I believe got an 8 (someone posted it in a thread). So there's at least one person who's rated one of those games highly. Not sure I care though.

22. PC does MMORPGS and STrategy games better than the console.

That might be because consoles don't get those types of games very often. There's no reason why console version can't support a mouse and keyboard too. But I haven't heard of that happening yet.


23. The Library interms of exclusives for consoles: PS3 offers a larger variety of high scoring games. What i mean better is not judging by one game, just the overall library and the game genres. EX: PS3: LBP1/2, KZ2, Uncharted 1/2, GT5, Heavenly Swords, Warhawk, Resistance1/2, InFAMOUS1/2. MGS4, Demon's Souls. ,

Can't say without exact figures.

24. PS3 gives a webbrowser which is one feature that 360lacks.

That it does. Wish it worked as well as the ones on my computer.

25. 360 DPAD is not as great as the PS3.

Don't care for either that much.

26 Longer loading times on the PS3 ( due to larger files).

Slower disc access and maybe other factors too.

27. Comparing the amount of money a 360owner has spent vs PS3, the 360 owner has spent overall more.(this includes havingsame amountof games) WHY? because ofpaying to play online.

Hard to say without exact figures.

28. THE WII graphics are the worst this gen (not including handhelds).

Technically I suppose, but many of the games look great to me. No complaints.

29. Quality> graphics.

What about quality of graphics?

30. The decision to not allow 360 owners who own the arcade console, to play in some features of games (ex HALO3 - coop) is stupid.

Not necessarily. Large intermediate files may be necessary, thus requiring a hard drive.

31. COD games are rehashes. (they are fun) but dont bring much new to the genre.

As long as they're fun I guess people will keep buying them.

32. Artsty-ledoes not mean just cartoony or somethign weve never seen. EX: KZ2 has its own art-st ylewheras HALO has its own.

I believe most games do unless it's a text-based game.

LovePotionNo9

I suppose I more or less agree with the updated OP.

I diasgree with a bunch of stuff. I got tired of writing though.

3. THe longevity of games is far greater on the PC. : ex:mods add replay value.
(No. There are RPG's on game consoles that take 80hrs or more to complete. On consoles you can create shared contect for others
like Forza 3, LPB and Modnation Racer.)

4. Many People don't own a high-tech PC, thus, aren't able to withness the true potential of the game when comparing it to higher-tech PCs.
(Depends on what you mean by high ends. Most people have PC's that are capable of playing todays PC games.)

8. PC obviously has thelargest library (including free online games as well).
(It has the largest library, but it sells the least amount of copies for each game. There are PC games out there
that people don't even know about. There are LOTS of Free online games like Mafia Wars, Farmville, Jewels 2, etc..
Just go to Addictinggames.com and count them.)

10. PS3 as a console has better tech. This includes being shipped with WIfi from the beginning, BLu-Ray, Bluetooth.
SIXAXIS whereas the 360 has none.
(Xbox 360 ships with Wifi, wireless controller and a headset. only thing the PS3 has over 360 is Blu-Ray, which
isn't that important.)

13. 360 attracts mainly the shooter genre lovers. REACH, HALO: probably one of the most fun game this year as
a shooter.
(That's subjective. I know people who bought 360's for the RPG's, Fable and Forza. It's not always about the shooters.)

14. PS3 HOme and360 avatararen't that popular, however HOME in terms of tech is better...
(HOME sucks badly. It's tech is not better. The 360's avatar was mostly cosmetic, but now they are using them
in games, so they have become fairly popular. HOME is mostly used as a social gathering. It's a boring place if
you are there to chat with friends.)

19. PS3 makes less noise than the 360 when running.
(They are about even now. I can't hear either of them.)

'To be honest this thing seems more pro-PS3 and PC, while not really anti 360 or Wii there just aren't really that many things good said about either. Almost in a sly way. A lot of the PS3 over 360 things are completely pointless. PS3 makes less sound than the 360? Really, we needed that? The PS3 harddrive is cheaper than the 360's? Okay? Also a couple of the 360 over PS3 things seem to have explanations for the PS3, if we can all agree on that then why is it needed? Due to your posting history I think you might be a closet PS3 fanboy, you favor the PS3 but you're not gonna come right out and say that you're a cow. xTheExploited

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]'To be honest this thing seems more pro-PS3 and PC, while not really anti 360 or Wii there just aren't really that many things good said about either. Almost in a sly way. A lot of the PS3 over 360 things are completely pointless. PS3 makes less sound than the 360? Really, we needed that? The PS3 harddrive is cheaper than the 360's? Okay? Also a couple of the 360 over PS3 things seem to have explanations for the PS3, if we can all agree on that then why is it needed? Due to your posting history I think you might be a closet PS3 fanboy, you favor the PS3 but you're not gonna come right out and say that you're a cow. hellhund

[QUOTE="hellhund"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"]'To be honest this thing seems more pro-PS3 and PC, while not really anti 360 or Wii there just aren't really that many things good said about either. Almost in a sly way. A lot of the PS3 over 360 things are completely pointless. PS3 makes less sound than the 360? Really, we needed that? The PS3 harddrive is cheaper than the 360's? Okay? Also a couple of the 360 over PS3 things seem to have explanations for the PS3, if we can all agree on that then why is it needed? Due to your posting history I think you might be a closet PS3 fanboy, you favor the PS3 but you're not gonna come right out and say that you're a cow. xTheExploited

I disagree with these:

6. Halo reach/3, mw2, kz2, arent really what we call "bad" games, they are actually all highscoring and many people buy them.

Mostly yes, but single player-wise, I'd truly give MW2 a 5.0-ish score.

7. Wii has the most casual games this gen.

Depends on what you define as casual. We could also make a distinction between 'non-gamers' (i.e. grandma playing Wii Sports) and 'casual gamers' (i.e. people, mostly teenagers/adolescents who only occasionally play blockbuster titles such as CoD and GTA). It all depends on how you fill in the term.

I agree with all your points OP good job. I even agreed on your PS3 exclusives one till you deleted it.

[QUOTE="Ribnarak"]

23. The Library interms of exclusives for consoles: PS3 offers a larger variety of high scoring games. What i mean better is not judging by one game, just the overall library and the game genres. EX: PS3: LBP1/2, KZ2, Uncharted 1/2, GT5, Heavenly Swords, Warhawk, Resistance1/2, InFAMOUS1/2. MGS4, Demon's Souls.

I don't think I can agree when there are games like Geometry Wars, Banjo Kazooie, Shadow Complex, Viva Pinata, Kameo, Tales of Vesperia, Forza, Limbo, etc on the 360.

Raymundo_Manuel

Here's what I don't agree on.

My answers are in the cute pink color if you couldn't tell! :oops:

I take it you dont own a PS3 if you think those games are comparable to the PS3 exclusives. I own both and i lol'd at your list except Kameo, Forza & Limbo.

Mostly yes, but single player-wise, I'd truly give MW2 a 5.0-ish score.

DraugenCP

fortunately for mw2, it isnt a single-player game

3. THe longevity of games is far greater on the PC. : ex:mods add replay value.
(No. There are RPG's on game consoles that take 80hrs or more to complete. On consoles you can create shared contect for others
like Forza 3, LPB and Modnation Racer.)

XanderZane

80 hours is nothing, 'completion' of a game is meaningless. any game can be inflated to take hundreds of hours to finish (jrpgs) while providing next to no meaningful content. imo, if you have to worry yourself with how many hours a game takes to 'complete' then its not worth your time. you should enjoy playing a game for playing it, not to complete it. thats where pc games excel, in actual replay value. compared tot he potentially infinite hours provided by user created content and official expansions, 80 hours to 'complete' a game is trivial.

shared content on consoles isnt worth brining up as a counterpoint to pc games longevity as its more than 15 years behind the pc in this department. the community sharing tools in the games you mentioned are like childrens toys; heavily moderated, restrictive, and distributed though tightly controlled channels. user created content on consoles is a joke compared to what is possible on the pc. m not arguing user content is bad--its fantastic to see consoles even trying to implement this--but its not a counterpoint to the pcs flexibility in this regard, on any level.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]I agree with almost all of your points TC. Nice Job!Ribnarak

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

[QUOTE="Ribnarak"]

23. The Library interms of exclusives for consoles: PS3 offers a larger variety of high scoring games. What i mean better is not judging by one game, just the overall library and the game genres. EX: PS3: LBP1/2, KZ2, Uncharted 1/2, GT5, Heavenly Swords, Warhawk, Resistance1/2, InFAMOUS1/2. MGS4, Demon's Souls.

I don't think I can agree when there are games like Geometry Wars, Banjo Kazooie, Shadow Complex, Viva Pinata, Kameo, Tales of Vesperia, Forza, Limbo, etc on the 360.

dachase

Here's what I don't agree on.

My answers are in the cute pink color if you couldn't tell! :oops:

I take it you dont own a PS3 if you think those games are comparable to the PS3 exclusives. I own both and i lol'd at your list except Kameo, Forza & Limbo.

I actually don't own either, but the point is that my opinions will never conform to that of reviewers.

I just don't see why it's lolworthy for me to think Banjo Kazooie is better than LBP. Because there's an 8.5 in the review, that I didn't write, rather than a 9.0?

Seems biased because there is no mention of the downsides of the pc including:

Most likely to get delayed games

Rarely gets high-end exclusives

Worthless for local multiplayer

Doesn't integrate as well with home theater systems

Cheaters / Hackers

Get skipped on a lot of multiplats, especially sports, jrpgs and fighting games

No central chat system

Major benefit of 360: more likely to have better version of multiplat than ps3 and earlier DLC

Wii has platformer advantage this gen

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

[QUOTE="Ribnarak"]

23. The Library interms of exclusives for consoles: PS3 offers a larger variety of high scoring games. What i mean better is not judging by one game, just the overall library and the game genres. EX: PS3: LBP1/2, KZ2, Uncharted 1/2, GT5, Heavenly Swords, Warhawk, Resistance1/2, InFAMOUS1/2. MGS4, Demon's Souls.

I don't think I can agree when there are games like Geometry Wars, Banjo Kazooie, Shadow Complex, Viva Pinata, Kameo, Tales of Vesperia, Forza, Limbo, etc on the 360.

dachase

Here's what I don't agree on.

My answers are in the cute pink color if you couldn't tell! :oops:

I take it you dont own a PS3 if you think those games are comparable to the PS3 exclusives. I own both and i lol'd at your list except Kameo, Forza & Limbo.

Seems biased because there is no mention of the downsides of the pc including:

Most likely to get delayed games

Rarely gets high-end exclusives

Worthless for local multiplayer

Doesn't integrate as well with home theater systems

Cheaters / Hackers

Get skipped on a lot of multiplats, especially sports, jrpgs and fighting games

No central chat system

Major benefit of 360: more likely to have better version of multiplat than ps3 and earlier DLC

Wii has platformer advantage this gen

dc337

I think you are just thinking too hard. Look:

i disagree with them all on principal....its SW :P.

1. yes..though it should also be noted that you dont need the best PC all the time to get the best graphics. (What im trying to say is that, what has the best graphics?PC (maybe not for all pcs (as explained later) but yeah it does if you have an amazing setup. End of point. )

2. no...an absolutely essential debate. sure a PC can use a controller....but KB+M is still better in most cases. (im not arguing what is better. But what im saying is that there is no need to say that: OH consoles are better because you can use a controller- people often mistake PCs as just being KB/mouse. thats what i was pointing out...you can use controllers as well)


3. its to brawd a statement. ive spent 120 hours on MH3 on the wii. i dont think ive done that with a PC game this gen....guild wars would probably the closest (i have spent around 2000 hours on it overall but most of that was last gen. (Again, im talking about generalstatements. As you mentioned (YOU have spent less) but the thing is thatlets comparecrysis2 on all platforms. On the PC however, after the game is done, people are going to make mods, whereas for the PS3/360 you wont be able to).


4. er.....hmmmm....well....kinda. again you dont need a very high tech PC for mods n stuff unless there graphics mods. (what im saying is that FOr PC, inorder touse a games full potential you n eed to have a high end PC.HIghend PC is not the standard. Forconsoleshowever,there is a standard and its not that 1 game works better foranother person)

5. in what way? performance? keyboard and mouse will mop the floor with anything..thats not subjective. some people may have trouble with a KB+M but thats a reflection of their skill using it....not the tool itself. confort? well yup..thats opinion. ( i said subjective because some games actually are played better onthe controller, and some people(ones who dont play on theKB)actually prefer the controller because its more comfortable. )

6. agreed...well ODST is a terrible game SP wise but agreed. i just consider most of them to be meh...but thats just me.

7. nope..PC takes that title i think. wii has the most highly publicised casual games perhaps but the PC...and probably the DS also...would probably beat it.
(kinda agree with you, but in console terms yes it has the most).

8. agreed. the PCs library is pretty massive and its BC is very very good overall. not 100% but not too shabby.

9. also agreed. the wii is a tank, the PS3 is also pretty bullet proof (though the old 60Gb models are apparently a bit pants). the 360 is a bit of a wreck.

10. grey area.....its better at processing lots of data but is the hardware really better in the PS3 for games? the blu-ray drive is slow (requiring installs, loading games slower and usually using the HDD as a cache to compensate), its designed in such a way thats its expensive to work on and most multiplats run better on the 360. the only ones that can make the Ps3 behave are first party devs. does that make for a better gaming machine?
(its better because of the fact that it has newer technologies. Bluetooth, Blu-ray. Yes theres ups and downs but the marginal benefit is greater than the cost. )

11. yup. it was a great decision by sony to use industry standard laptop HDDs and provide a simple way to replace them (can they be replaced easily in the slim also?) and it just offers much greater value in that department as a result.

12. yup. it should also be noted that attracting the more casual and family market is not an inherently bad thing though. casual is a dirty word around here.
(again, ure right but as i said ure thinking a bit too hard. IM just making general simple statements -- even i could have gone deep into each point but its not necessary as you should just interpret the general statement).

13. shooters and racers....that seems to be the general demographic. there are offshoots like mass effect n such...but they generally involve shooting things.

14. i couldnt really comment on that. SW seems to have no interest but the wider world? no idea. on the few times i do pop onto home though there are generally quite a few people around...and this is in the early hours of the morning. as for tech....yea. it allows sony to have their own virtual e3 n stuff which is pretty neat. still it also feels like it needs more ram....its constantly loading stuff from the HDD and sometimes that hurts performance.
(agreed,PS3 home is a way better idea (and tech wise))

15. agreed....i would never ever pay for xbox live gold.


`16. shooter yes....games in general...grey area. alot of the 360s exclusives are shooters so that sorta slants the whole thing. but games like LO, ME n stuff are not the massive sellers of, say, halo and are more comparable to PS3 game sales. i think the PS3 version of COD: MW2 was also pretty close to the 360.


17. no idea..never used it.
(its not about using it or not. Its just better to have it than not have it :P)

18. yup. unless its the wii...that has better exclsuives...fact :P j/k.


19. yup....but its by no means silent. play a PS1 game on it...it gets noisey fast. the fat 60GB model anyway).


20. well its Forza vs zip all between the 2. get back to me after GT5.
(yeah im waiting for GT5 as well--)

21. disregarded. only high scoring games are core games?
(games like KZ3 haventcome out, im talking about that)

22. yes...and FPS and 3rd person and pretty much anything else bar fighting games....unless you use a controller. then its = to a console in that department.

23. well yes of course.


24. i deny it to my grave...the 360 has a browser. ok it doesnt have a browser..i concede the point :P.


25. agreed. the 360s d-pad is pretty poor...though thats based on the first version of the 360 controller. i havent tried the improved version.


26. longer loading yes....larger files? not really. the blu-ray drive is just slow. not slow at reading..its a random access problem. 2X just doesnt cut it.


27. nope...they can just not pay for online and play SP or local co-op or something. thats what i do..works fine.
(now adays iassumed that playingonline ispart of the norm)

28. the wii has my fav looking game this gen..okami...a PS2 port. so no. wiis graphics are the worst in terms of technical out of the consoles. the end result? all opinion.
(agree with you, but yeah i was talkign about technical)


29. im currently playing mount and blade which has the production values of a local made movie on a webcam. fab game though. so agreed indeed.


30. yup.....this different SKU business is a nonsense in the console market....especially with such a large feature gap. the arcade was a colossal mistake on MSs part and hopefully we wont see it again next gen. there should be only 2 versions of a console at most. the launch model and its slim version.


31. yes...but its not the only culprit of that.
(yeah thats true lol, just wanted to throw it out there)

32. indeed...every game has its own art st yleand direction. cartoony is not inherently superior or inferior to anything else...well imho because thats an o. whew.osan0

Woot! Finally a reasonable "can we all agree" thread.

oh BTW, #3 is entirely subjective. few people actually stop to create mods, but the core of the argument isn't wrong: PC tends to have more games that last an eternity before getting old (insert random RTS or MMO here, and don't forget they too have FPS).BrunoBRS

Pretty much fully agree

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]oh BTW, #3 is entirely subjective. few people actually stop to create mods, but the core of the argument isn't wrong: PC tends to have more games that last an eternity before getting old (insert random RTS or MMO here, and don't forget they too have FPS).windsquid9000

Waffles are tasty. i dont think anyone will honestly disagree.ferret-gamer