This article sums up the issue with the Wii and it's motion controls imo

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/01/nunchuk-as-flightstick-leads-the-sky-crawlers-to-fail-on-wii.ars

"The Wii, as a system, lives and dies by novel use of its controller; if a game can't deliver that, at least it could be offered in high definition and look better."

I would say that most, not all but most, Wii games don't deliver in terms of the quality and reliability of the motion controls so on the whole the Wii kinda fails at the one thing that's supposed to differentiate it and make it a "better" interactive videogame experience than the other consoles.

Anyhoo...

couldnt agree more. i've found that the vast majority of the highly rated wii games wouldn't be any worse and would arguably be better with normal non motion controls

super mario galaxy for instance. the only thing the motion controls are used for is that spin move and collecting those little star bits. hardly vital parts of the game. the rest of the running, jumping, fighting and general platforming is perfomed by pressing buttons

couldnt agree more. i've found that the vast majority of the highly rated wii games wouldn't be any worse and would arguably be better with normal non motion controls

super mario galaxy for instance. the only thing the motion controls are used for is that spin move and collecting those little star bits. hardly vital parts of the game. the rest of the running, jumping, fighting and general platforming is perfomed by pressing buttons

my_name_is_ron

couldnt agree more. i've found that the vast majority of the highly rated wii games wouldn't be any worse and would arguably be better with normal non motion controls

super mario galaxy for instance. the only thing the motion controls are used for is that spin move and collecting those little star bits. hardly vital parts of the game. the rest of the running, jumping, fighting and general platforming is perfomed by pressing buttons

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

couldnt agree more. i've found that the vast majority of the highly rated wii games wouldn't be any worse and would arguably be better with normal non motion controls

super mario galaxy for instance. the only thing the motion controls are used for is that spin move and collecting those little star bits. hardly vital parts of the game. the rest of the running, jumping, fighting and general platforming is perfomed by pressing buttons

my_name_is_ron

Indeed

i honestly thought this thread would create more discussion than this

More ignorance on top of the huge ammounts we already have so nothing to discuss here.

couldnt agree more. i've found that the vast majority of the highly rated wii games wouldn't be any worse and would arguably be better with normal non motion controls

super mario galaxy for instance. the only thing the motion controls are used for is that spin move and collecting those little star bits. hardly vital parts of the game. the rest of the running, jumping, fighting and general platforming is perfomed by pressing buttons

couldnt agree more. i've found that the vast majority of the highly rated wii games wouldn't be any worse and would arguably be better with normal non motion controls

super mario galaxy for instance. the only thing the motion controls are used for is that spin move and collecting those little star bits. hardly vital parts of the game. the rest of the running, jumping, fighting and general platforming is perfomed by pressing buttons

sorta proves that motion controls are useless in good-great games. more of a novelty used for games like wii sports and wii sports resort. we saw how bad motion control is with games like madden and simulation sports games

people seem to forget that it cost alot less money to make a Wii game than it does a PS3/360 game...That's one of the major reasons NInty decided to make the Wii as weak as it is, because they saw how expensive its going to be for devs to make these HD games. Silenthps

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]people seem to forget that it cost alot less money to make a Wii game than it does a PS3/360 game...That's one of the major reasons NInty decided to make the Wii as weak as it is, because they saw how expensive its going to be for devs to make these HD games. my_name_is_ron

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]people seem to forget that it cost alot less money to make a Wii game than it does a PS3/360 game...That's one of the major reasons NInty decided to make the Wii as weak as it is, because they saw how expensive its going to be for devs to make these HD games. Theguy56

sorta proves that motion controls are useless in good-great games. more of a novelty used for games like wii sports and wii sports resort. we saw how bad motion control is with games like madden and simulation sports games

nitromuffin

I disagree. Tiger Woods 10 is an amazing golg title and a great example of the Wii providing a better experience (which is extremely rare) than other consoles.

As for the motion controls, it may be a "gimmick" but I think games Like Metroid Prime 3, Mario Galaxy, Trauma Center and Twilight Princess prove that if done right, they actually ADD to the experience. For my money, Metroid Prime 3 still has the best shooter controls of any game on any console. And the simple, subtle, use of motion controls in Mario Galaxy and TP...that is, being able to run around doing one thing while simultaneously doing something else with the motion controls, was a very liberating feeling.

The problem is when people try to do way too much motion control in games, and it feels forced and poorly done. Or they just make a crappy game with crappy controls thinking it will sell because its on Wii and has waggle.

Motion control is best done in a way that is natural (Tiger Woods, trauma Center) or when done subtlely so as not to distract you from the game.

infact let's bring some numbers into it which should keep childish opinion bashing to a minimum.

going by gamespot review scores the 3 console platforms have the following number of games rated 8.0 and above:

wii - 57

360 - 157

ps3 - 129

now assuming gamers are interested in playing the best games it can only be deduced that owners of just a wii are missing out on more good games than owners of just a 360 or ps3.

[QUOTE="Theguy56"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] it doesn't excuse poor quality games though. basic graphics, sound and depth can be mostly overlooked. there's no escaping the fact that there's a much larger variety of highly rated games on pc, 360 and ps3. just look at the numbers in the reviews section of this very site. if i can be bothered i'll put up some numbers. it's perfeclty ok to be a fanboy and side with only 1 console but where ps3 and xbox fanboys benefit is that their chosen platform have a plethora of high quality titles to choose from where as the wii only has a small handful. my point is that being a wii fanboy means you're missing out on much more than if you're a ps3 or xbox fanboymy_name_is_ron

infact let's bring some numbers into it which should keep childish opinion bashing to a minimum.

going by gamespot review scores the 3 console platforms have the following number of games rated 8.0 and above:

wii - 57

360 - 157

ps3 - 129

now assuming gamers are interested in playing the best games it can only be deduced that owners of just a wii are missing out on more good games than owners of just a 360 or ps3.

[QUOTE="Theguy56"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] it doesn't excuse poor quality games though. basic graphics, sound and depth can be mostly overlooked. there's no escaping the fact that there's a much larger variety of highly rated games on pc, 360 and ps3. just look at the numbers in the reviews section of this very site. if i can be bothered i'll put up some numbers. it's perfeclty ok to be a fanboy and side with only 1 console but where ps3 and xbox fanboys benefit is that their chosen platform have a plethora of high quality titles to choose from where as the wii only has a small handful. my point is that being a wii fanboy means you're missing out on much more than if you're a ps3 or xbox fanboymy_name_is_ron

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"] And the spin jump would be more consistent and just feel more responsive with a button imo.amaneuvering

Indeed

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"][QUOTE="Theguy56"] Almost everything on the Wii is exclusive so I don't think so.Pices

Those are numbers. It still doesn't say why I prefer Wii games to the others.

[QUOTE="Pices"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] but there's not very much exclusive stuff on the wii worth playing imomy_name_is_ron

Those are numbers. It still doesn't say why I prefer Wii games to the others.

Theguy56

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"][QUOTE="Pices"] Exactly, YOUR OPINION. Go researchPices

[QUOTE="Pices"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] if you have a look at the following post i made you'll see my researchmy_name_is_ron

Since this is my first generation with Nintendo, I have a massive library that I can play from older generations and the Wii allows me to do that besides the ones that are coming out.

Also, my other consoles are there for the occassional game I'd enjoy which I have to say are much fewer than the ones I played on the Wii.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]people seem to forget that it cost alot less money to make a Wii game than it does a PS3/360 game...That's one of the major reasons NInty decided to make the Wii as weak as it is, because they saw how expensive its going to be for devs to make these HD games. my_name_is_ron

the wii controls in nintendo games are legendary

More ignorance on top of the huge ammounts we already have so nothing to discuss here.

Theguy56

this pritty much sums it up

would be cool if people actully tryed to make up their own opion on the wii,

not blindly agree on everything

I agree that generally, the motions don't add anything the pointer almost always does. It made Okami, RE4 and the Metroid Prime Trilogy much more fun to play for me.... Not to mention other games that use it well such as Trauma Centre, Swords & Soldiers, Lost Winds, World of Goo, Pro Evo etc. The only game that I've played that used motion really well (excluding Wii sports and WSR) is Zack & Wiki.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/01/nunchuk-as-flightstick-leads-the-sky-crawlers-to-fail-on-wii.ars

"The Wii, as a system, lives and dies by novel use of its controller; if a game can't deliver that, at least it could be offered in high definition and look better."

I would say that most, not all but most, Wii games don't deliver in terms of the quality and reliability of the motion controls so on the whole the Wii kinda fails at the one thing that's supposed to differentiate it and make it a "better" interactive videogame experience than the other consoles.

Anyhoo...

amaneuvering

why cant people just leave the Wii alone and just accept it for what it is??? its a simple gaming console for everyone to use. its not meant to be an xbox or ps3. its a system thats easy to pick up and play for an hour and thats it. if you want an HD console, then buy an xbox or ps3!!!!! it doesnt fail for me, its been pretty cool for me when i have friends over. drink a couple beers and play tiger woods 10 on the wii and thats fun as hell. and i sit down with my daughter and play super mario wii with her

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/01/nunchuk-as-flightstick-leads-the-sky-crawlers-to-fail-on-wii.ars

"The Wii, as a system, lives and dies by novel use of its controller; if a game can't deliver that, at least it could be offered in high definition and look better."

I would say that most, not all but most, Wii games don't deliver in terms of the quality and reliability of the motion controls so on the whole the Wii kinda fails at the one thing that's supposed to differentiate it and make it a "better" interactive videogame experience than the other consoles.

Anyhoo...

todd2r

why cant people just leave the Wii alone and just accept it for what it is??? its a simple gaming console for everyone to use. its not meant to be an xbox or ps3. its a system thats easy to pick up and play for an hour and thats it. if you want an HD console, then buy an xbox or ps3!!!!! it doesnt fail for me, its been pretty cool for me when i have friends over. drink a couple beers and play tiger woods 10 on the wii and thats fun as hell. and i sit down with my daughter and play super mario wii with her

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"][QUOTE="Pices"] Ya, but you're saying that there's not much exclusive stuff worth playing which is nonsensePices

Then use metacritic? Maybe you enjoyed these games because, through owning a wii for so long, you've been trained to accept mediocrity in the games you play.

[QUOTE="Pices"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] the numbers prove my point beyond doubt. the wii has a third of the amount of quality games that the other 2 consoles have regardless of exclusivity. obviously there's always room for shuffling because of peoples differing tastes and opinions but that's why i've gone with gamespot scores. yworry69

Then use metacritic? Maybe you enjoyed these games because, through owning a wii for so long, you've been trained to accept mediocrity in the games you play.

[QUOTE="Pices"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] the numbers prove my point beyond doubt. the wii has a third of the amount of quality games that the other 2 consoles have regardless of exclusivity. obviously there's always room for shuffling because of peoples differing tastes and opinions but that's why i've gone with gamespot scores. yworry69

Then use metacritic? Maybe you enjoyed these games because, through owning a wii for so long, you've been trained to accept mediocrity in the games you play.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] it really fuels the fire of people who claim the wii to be a silly gimmick when the main first party titles don't properly implement the motion controls. another example, zelda : twilight princess was actually better on the gamecube version which had a proper controllerPices

Indeed

I would also disagree with you on that.

IT doesn't take a genius to see that most of the Good Wii games don't need motion controls to be good.

SSBB is the best example to date. Haven't even bothered to use a wiimote with it (all the people who I've played that did never stood a chance)

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"] And the spin jump would be more consistent and just feel more responsive with a button imo.amaneuvering

Indeed

ya no one likes superior aiming with the bow,

we will stick to the good old, which cant match pc mouse or wii pointer

[QUOTE="Pices"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

Indeed

I would also disagree with you on that.

IT doesn't take a genius to see that most of the Good Wii games don't need motion controls to be good.

SSBB is the best example to date. Haven't even bothered to use a wiimote with it (all the people who I've played that did never stood a chance)

[QUOTE="Pices"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] the numbers prove my point beyond doubt. the wii has a third of the amount of quality games that the other 2 consoles have regardless of exclusivity. obviously there's always room for shuffling because of peoples differing tastes and opinions but that's why i've gone with gamespot scores. yworry69

Then use metacritic? Maybe you enjoyed these games because, through owning a wii for so long, you've been trained to accept mediocrity in the games you play.

[QUOTE="Pices"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] the numbers prove my point beyond doubt. the wii has a third of the amount of quality games that the other 2 consoles have regardless of exclusivity. obviously there's always room for shuffling because of peoples differing tastes and opinions but that's why i've gone with gamespot scores. yworry69

Then use metacritic? Maybe you enjoyed these games because, through owning a wii for so long, you've been trained to accept mediocrity in the games you play.

after playing SMG all games seem medicore compared to it

so i guess all wii owners do accept medicority

but to be fair , its hard to match it

even uncharted 2 failed

On gamerankings, the wii actually has the most AAAEs, AAES. If i remember correctly.

so the wii is the best console to get if you have a 360, ps3 or PC. wii+ any of those= great console

couldnt agree more. i've found that the vast majority of the highly rated wii games wouldn't be any worse and would arguably be better with normal non motion controls

super mario galaxy for instance. the only thing the motion controls are used for is that spin move and collecting those little star bits. hardly vital parts of the game. the rest of the running, jumping, fighting and general platforming is perfomed by pressing buttons

If you don't hate the Wii you're automatically a Nintendo Fanboy. At least that's what I pretty much saw in the 1st page.

If you guys would look at say, MarioKart Wii, you would see that the Motion Controls in that game work pretty well.

However, most games I have don't take full use of the motion control, mostly because they don't really NEED them.

Tiger Woods, Red Steel, The Conduit, Call of Duty, Metroid Prime, Tennis Games and Wii Sports DO use Motion Controls.

FPSs actually work well and those that can't play FPSs on a Wii are doing it wrong ("I'm waggling the Wii-Mote and Nunchuk! Why Ain't I WINNING??")

Games like Super Smash Bros., New Super Mario Bros, Wario Land, Super Mario Galaxy, A boy and his Blob, and Animal Crossing DON'T NEED the motion Control but they are in the game anyway (except Smash Bros. Brawl).

Oh and if Developers DON'T WANT MOTION CONTROL that's fine! look at A Boy and his Blob! There isn't ANY Motion control in that game! In fact it's best if you used THE CLASSIC CONTROLLER!

That's my small rant on this topic.

If you don't hate the Wii you're automatically a Nintendo Fanboy. At least that's what I pretty much saw in the 1st page.

If you guys would look at say, MarioKart Wii, you would see that the Motion Controls in that game work pretty well.

However, most games I have don't take full use of the motion control, mostly because they don't really NEED them.

Tiger Woods, Red Steel, The Conduit, Call of Duty, Metroid Prime, Tennis Games and Wii Sports DO use Motion Controls.

FPSs actually work well and those that can't play FPSs on a Wii are doing it wrong ("I'm waggling the Wii-Mote and Nunchuk! Why Ain't I WINNING??")

Games like Super Smash Bros., New Super Mario Bros, Wario Land, Super Mario Galaxy, A boy and his Blob, and Animal Crossing DON'T NEED the motion Control but they are in the game anyway (except Smash Bros. Brawl).

Oh and if Developers DON'T WANT MOTION CONTROL that's fine! look at A Boy and his Blob! There isn't ANY Motion control in that game! In fact it's best if you used THE CLASSIC CONTROLLER!

That's my small rant on this topic.

LegatoSkyheart

Yeah its true, take a look at No More Heroes, bad graphics, but awesome fastpaced gameplay all made possibe with the wii controls.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

couldnt agree more. i've found that the vast majority of the highly rated wii games wouldn't be any worse and would arguably be better with normal non motion controls

super mario galaxy for instance. the only thing the motion controls are used for is that spin move and collecting those little star bits. hardly vital parts of the game. the rest of the running, jumping, fighting and general platforming is perfomed by pressing buttons

my_name_is_ron

Actually no, it wasn't better on the gamecube. The Wii controls were far superior, especially when it came to aiming the bow/hookshot/etc.

Meh, I bought the system for fun, not HD, not motion. It provides that, therefore its fine. The Wii exists to entertain, not fit narrow views of it should be "this" or it should be "that".

The motion controls work great for a game that bothers to be developed around it. Zack and Wiki could not be done with a standard controller. NyxQuest's incredible intuitiveness derives from the set-up of IR control.Same with Red Steel 2. No More Heroes' finishing moves and wrestling moves felt 'right' and more rewarding with a physical imput. And MadWorld delivers the best context-sensitive moments in the medium because of.....you guessed it.....motion controls.

So if you're judging the Wii motion on the WarioWare's and Wii Sport's, you're severelynarrowing your perception of the additivity that motion controls can bring to the quality of a product.

[QUOTE="yworry69"]

[QUOTE="Pices"] Numbers prove that it is GS's opinion, not yours. Games like Dead rising. Conduit, darkside chronicles got 6s, and I enjoyed them. Thats why scores are redundant and meaninglessPices

Then use metacritic? Maybe you enjoyed these games because, through owning a wii for so long, you've been trained to accept mediocrity in the games you play.

Thanks for responding to my post 3 seperate times, seems I really struck a chord.

Sorry if a site where professional video game reviewers opinions are compiled for an average score doesn't seem valid to you. I'm all for picking your own games, but at least base it on reality.

Dead rising and darkside chronicles probably got a 6 on the wii because they are dumbed down version of their ps3/360 counterparts, and as such are worse, and deserve a lower score. The reason you enjoy them is probably because they still have some value as a game, but y ou shouldn't have to accept mediocre crap ports to the wii, no one should.