This article sums up the issue with the Wii and it's motion controls imo

infact let's bring some numbers into it which should keep childish opinion bashing to a minimum.

going by gamespot review scores the 3 console platforms have the following number of games rated 8.0 and above:

wii - 57

360 - 157

ps3 - 129

now assuming gamers are interested in playing the best games it can only be deduced that owners of just a wii are missing out on more good games than owners of just a 360 or ps3.

my_name_is_ron

ugh... So sick of discussing this.. But yes both parties are right. The idea of the wii is gimmicky, and its motion control isn't exactly what it needs to be outside of the IR to be much else, But its still a good console that people like that delivers great games so can we please get over this??

ugh... So sick of discussing this.. But yes both parties are right. The idea of the wii is gimmicky, and its motion control isn't exactly what it needs to be outside of the IR to be much else, But its still a good console that people like that delivers great games so can we please get over this??

VendettaRed07

Some games it works for the better and some it makes it worse, after playing both Pro Evo and Tiger Woods PGA 10, I really couldnt enjoy these games with the non motion controls.

[QUOTE="Pices"][QUOTE="yworry69"]

Then use metacritic? Maybe you enjoyed these games because, through owning a wii for so long, you've been trained to accept mediocrity in the games you play.

Thanks for responding to my post 3 seperate times, seems I really struck a chord.

Sorry if a site where professional video game reviewers opinions are compiled for an average score doesn't seem valid to you. I'm all for picking your own games, but at least base it on reality.

Dead rising and darkside chronicles probably got a 6 on the wii because they are dumbed down version of their ps3/360 counterparts, and as such are worse, and deserve a lower score. The reason you enjoy them is probably because they still have some value as a game, but y ou shouldn't have to accept mediocre crap ports to the wii, no one should.

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

couldnt agree more. i've found that the vast majority of the highly rated wii games wouldn't be any worse and would arguably be better with normal non motion controls

super mario galaxy for instance. the only thing the motion controls are used for is that spin move and collecting those little star bits. hardly vital parts of the game. the rest of the running, jumping, fighting and general platforming is perfomed by pressing buttons

amaneuvering

Motion Controls in NiGHTS was a...nightmare. Best motion controls are in No More Heroes and Mad World. Whenever I'm emulating horrible violence on the Wii the motion just seems to make it more thrilling. Bread_or_Decide

actually it reminds me of how ppl used to slam the old style phones to hang up. there was something you felt from that which is lost when you have to press a button to hang up.

Some games it works for the better and some it makes it worse, after playing both Pro Evo and Tiger Woods PGA 10, I really couldnt enjoy these games with the non motion controls.

Mitazaki

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

infact let's bring some numbers into it which should keep childish opinion bashing to a minimum.

going by gamespot review scores the 3 console platforms have the following number of games rated 8.0 and above:

wii - 57

360 - 157

ps3 - 129

now assuming gamers are interested in playing the best games it can only be deduced that owners of just a wii are missing out on more good games than owners of just a 360 or ps3.

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

infact let's bring some numbers into it which should keep childish opinion bashing to a minimum.

going by gamespot review scores the 3 console platforms have the following number of games rated 8.0 and above:

wii - 57

360 - 157

ps3 - 129

now assuming gamers are interested in playing the best games it can only be deduced that owners of just a wii are missing out on more good games than owners of just a 360 or ps3.

Hate to tell you but all consoles are going to use motion controls next gen so I hope your ready to be PC only.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

couldnt agree more. i've found that the vast majority of the highly rated wii games wouldn't be any worse and would arguably be better with normal non motion controls

super mario galaxy for instance. the only thing the motion controls are used for is that spin move and collecting those little star bits. hardly vital parts of the game. the rest of the running, jumping, fighting and general platforming is perfomed by pressing buttons

my_name_is_ron

and yet quite a few reviewers said that the wiimote is the better control setup:

from GamePro

"The GameCube controller doesn't quite offer the potential of the Wii remote, so slicing down enemies and firing arrows isn't quite as engaging."

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]imo you shouldn't equate quality with GS reviews. There are a bunch of instances where they really dropped the ball, made errors, or didn't even bother reviewing good Wii games.

bigpython

not at all, and i'm not denying the wii's wild popularity but itcan be put down to it's accessibility and attractiveness to people new to gaming rather than the quality of its games. as i've stated again and again and again in this thread, the numbers don't lie and, even with the fact reviews are based on personal opinion, there is too big a gap between numbers of highly rated games on the wii and other consoles to put the blame on reviewers ignoring or underscoring wii titles. i just hope that next generation nintendo doesn't patronise all the new consumers they've gained by releasing a console with endless party games, barely any decent 3rd party support and some less repetitive first party titles than the same old mario, mario kart, smash bros, zelda and metroid rehashes.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] it really fuels the fire of people who claim the wii to be a silly gimmick when the main first party titles don't properly implement the motion controls. another example, zelda : twilight princess was actually better on the gamecube version which had a proper controllerPices

Indeed

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]imo you shouldn't equate quality with GS reviews. There are a bunch of instances where they really dropped the ball, made errors, or didn't even bother reviewing good Wii games.

bigpython

[QUOTE="bigpython"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] it's a very similar situation on a site like metacritic. i suppose you could argue that pretty much every high rated wii game is an exclusive as developers normally produce a different, hd version of multiplatform games especially for pc, ps3 and xbox. yes, the wii is intended to be straightforward, basic and less alien to non gamers but that doesn't mean games released on the plaform can't be deep, high quality and entertaining on your own as well as at a party or family gathering. i still stick by the facts that popular opinion states that there are many more high quality games on the other 2 consoles.linkin_guy109

[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"]

[QUOTE="bigpython"] popular opinion states that there are more high quality game on the other consoles? tell that to the 65 million wii owners. i'm sure that they'll say that the wii has the best games. YOU FAILmy_name_is_ron

yes... and that is along the same lines as people buying ps3's to just watch blu-ray movies

its anecdotal and cant really be proven

what you CAN prove is sales... wii sells most software, so its hard to prove that people only buy it for wiisports

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]people seem to forget that it cost alot less money to make a Wii game than it does a PS3/360 game...That's one of the major reasons NInty decided to make the Wii as weak as it is, because they saw how expensive its going to be for devs to make these HD games. Silenthps

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] it doesn't excuse poor quality games though. basic graphics, sound and depth can be mostly overlooked. there's no escaping the fact that there's a much larger variety of highly rated games on pc, 360 and ps3. just look at the numbers in the reviews section of this very site. if i can be bothered i'll put up some numbers. it's perfeclty ok to be a fanboy and side with only 1 console but where ps3 and xbox fanboys benefit is that their chosen platform have a plethora of high quality titles to choose from where as the wii only has a small handful. my point is that being a wii fanboy means you're missing out on much more than if you're a ps3 or xbox fanboytok1879

so whats the point of consoles? why not just make all the games for the PC?

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]I agree that it doesn't excuse poor quality games, i was just refuting this point: "The Wii, as a system, lives and dies by novel use of its controller; if a game can't deliver that, at least it could be offered in high definition and look better." Not all Wii games HAVE to use strong use of its controller, devs should make games on wii simply because its cheaper and has a large install base. Monster Hunter 3 is a good example of a game that was too expensive to dev on the PS3 so they chose the Wii knowing full well that the controller wouldn't benefit the game much and would look better in HD. ogvampire

so whats the point of consoles? why not just make all the games for the PC?

So what's the point of the Wii then? They might as well just a make the game for the PS2.tok1879

so whats the point of consoles? why not just make all the games for the PC?

If most good Wii games do not need motion controls to be good, can we conclude that motion controls are a gimmick? I could do without the annoying two-part controller while playing Smash Bros. Just give me a proper remote.

This is why I don't own one, and never will.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="tok1879"] So what's the point of the Wii then? They might as well just a make the game for the PS2.tok1879

so whats the point of consoles? why not just make all the games for the PC?

what? think about it for a second...

you are wondering why make a game for a system when it could be made for another system. Well, why make games for consoles when they can be made for the PC and cost less? btw, there is no system advancing technology more than the PC

if you cant see that its your same logic, then im sorry, i cant help you understand your own logic

If most good Wii games do not need motion controls to be good, can we conclude that motion controls are a gimmick? I could do without the annoying two-part controller while playing Smash Bros. Just give me a proper remote.

This is why I don't own one, and never will.

KristoffBrujah

i actually prefer the wiimote/nunchuck for smash bros

Thanks for responding to my post 3 seperate times, seems I really struck a chord.

Sorry if a site where professional video game reviewers opinions are compiled for an average score doesn't seem valid to you. I'm all for picking your own games, but at least base it on reality.

Dead rising and darkside chronicles probably got a 6 on the wii because they are dumbed down version of their ps3/360 counterparts, and as such are worse, and deserve a lower score. The reason you enjoy them is probably because they still have some value as a game, but y ou shouldn't have to accept mediocre crap ports to the wii, no one should.

yworry69

So you accept the reviews of professional reviewers as canon, even though those very reviewers have thier own biases and agendas that motivate them.

So you just blindly accept review scores over your own personal perceptions.

pfft, and they say that Nintendo gamers are sheep, LOL.

[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

If most good Wii games do not need motion controls to be good, can we conclude that motion controls are a gimmick? I could do without the annoying two-part controller while playing Smash Bros. Just give me a proper remote.

This is why I don't own one, and never will.

ogvampire

i actually prefer the wiimote/nunchuck for smash bros

Why? It serves absolutely no purpose. I played the original Smash on the N64, and that was the most fun I've ever had playing Smash. Having the nunchuck serves no purpose other than to annoy.

I view the Wii like the old Nintendo Powerpad in the 90's: popular but gimmicky and pointless. Something people will outgrow as they become adults.

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

ugh... So sick of discussing this.. But yes both parties are right. The idea of the wii is gimmicky, and its motion control isn't exactly what it needs to be outside of the IR to be much else, But its still a good console that people like that delivers great games so can we please get over this??

PSNIDCiocio313

Because until wii motion plus the wii mote simply didn't work.. It wasn't accurate enough to improve gameplay, just for gimmicky things like in metroid prime for turning open a door, or other random things that really didn't make games better, they just replaced a button press

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

If most good Wii games do not need motion controls to be good, can we conclude that motion controls are a gimmick? I could do without the annoying two-part controller while playing Smash Bros. Just give me a proper remote.

This is why I don't own one, and never will.

i actually prefer the wiimote/nunchuck for smash bros

Why? It serves absolutely no purpose. I played the original Smash on the N64, and that was the most fun I've ever had playing Smash. Having the nunchuck serves no purpose other than to annoy.

I view the Wii like the old Nintendo Powerpad in the 90's: popular but gimmicky and pointless. Something people will outgrow as they become adults.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/01/nunchuk-as-flightstick-leads-the-sky-crawlers-to-fail-on-wii.ars

"The Wii, as a system, lives and dies by novel use of its controller; if a game can't deliver that, at least it could be offered in high definition and look better."

I would say that most, not all but most, Wii games don't deliver in terms of the quality and reliability of the motion controls so on the whole the Wii kinda fails at the one thing that's supposed to differentiate it and make it a "better" interactive videogame experience than the other consoles.

Anyhoo...

amaneuvering

Good grief, its HIS PREFERENCE. The reason why everyone uses the GC controller for Brawl is because THEY'RE USED TO IT. Wiimote and Nunchuck do not even have motion controls, heck some people use them or the Wiimote alone.Pices

Yeah, I know it's his preference, but it really does serve no purpose. It's like adding a strobe light to the controller: it serves no purpose.

Link firing his bow... does it really need motion sensing? Isn't it just easier and less frustrating to just push a button to fire a projectile? These are just pointless tack-ons to justify motion sensing, not any sort or evolution in gameplay. In most cases it's a de-evolution in gameplay.

[QUOTE="PSNIDCiocio313"][QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

ugh... So sick of discussing this.. But yes both parties are right. The idea of the wii is gimmicky, and its motion control isn't exactly what it needs to be outside of the IR to be much else, But its still a good console that people like that delivers great games so can we please get over this??

VendettaRed07

Because until wii motion plus the wii mote simply didn't work.. It wasn't accurate enough to improve gameplay, just for gimmicky things like in metroid prime for turning open a door, or other random things that really didn't make games better, they just replaced a button press

[QUOTE="Pices"]

Good grief, its HIS PREFERENCE. The reason why everyone uses the GC controller for Brawl is because THEY'RE USED TO IT. Wiimote and Nunchuck do not even have motion controls, heck some people use them or the Wiimote alone.

Yeah, I know it's his preference, but it really does serve no purpose. It's like adding a strobe light to the controller: it serves no purpose.

Link firing his bow... does it really need motion sensing? Isn't it just easier and less frustrating to just push a button to fire a projectile? These are just pointless tack-ons to justify motion sensing, not any sort or evolution in gameplay. In most cases it's a de-evolution in gameplay.

[QUOTE="Pices"]

Good grief, its HIS PREFERENCE. The reason why everyone uses the GC controller for Brawl is because THEY'RE USED TO IT. Wiimote and Nunchuck do not even have motion controls, heck some people use them or the Wiimote alone.KristoffBrujah

Yeah, I know it's his preference, but it really does serve no purpose. It's like adding a strobe light to the controller: it serves no purpose.

Link firing his bow... does it really need motion sensing? Isn't it just easier and less frustrating to just push a button to fire a projectile? These are just pointless tack-ons to justify motion sensing, not any sort or evolution in gameplay. In most cases it's a de-evolution in gameplay.

serves no purpose?

to me, its more comfortable than a traditional controller. i see no advantage in either except for preference

also, you are confusing motion-sensing with the IR pointer. i thought using the pointer in TP for shooting arrows was really cool and alot more fun and accurate than using the analogue

There is one thing that motion sensing has taught us: the appeal of video games extends past precision, strategy and intelligent thought. Video games are also about emotional appeal. Motion sensing offers a visceral thrill. Choke someone out in Godfather and part of you feels disturbed. It can feel real. There is a microgame in warioware where you have to figure out to slap wario awake. It takes one slap, but I would slap the hell out of him every time because it is a visceral thrill.

Also, remember to divorce motion sensing from the IR pointer. One has nothing to do with the other. The IR pointer is an amazing advance in gaming tech. All consoles will use this method and I am thrilled because it is a very "console" advance in a time where consoles seem to be evolving into PCs. Megaprops to nintendo for realizing this trend.

I agree with you though TC. The motion controls succeed in being visceral, but increased precision would not take away from that appeal. The bad precision distracts people from the wii's appeal

[QUOTE="bigpython"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] it's a very similar situation on a site like metacritic. i suppose you could argue that pretty much every high rated wii game is an exclusive as developers normally produce a different, hd version of multiplatform games especially for pc, ps3 and xbox. yes, the wii is intended to be straightforward, basic and less alien to non gamers but that doesn't mean games released on the plaform can't be deep, high quality and entertaining on your own as well as at a party or family gathering. i still stick by the facts that popular opinion states that there are many more high quality games on the other 2 consoles.linkin_guy109

Agreed .............. and if the Sony wand and Natal turned out to be better, Wii is a goner................. IMO.

i don't know why some posters feel offended when crticizing the Wii, it's innovative, no Q about that, but it's lacking on every other category.

[QUOTE="bigpython"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] it's a very similar situation on a site like metacritic. i suppose you could argue that pretty much every high rated wii game is an exclusive as developers normally produce a different, hd version of multiplatform games especially for pc, ps3 and xbox. yes, the wii is intended to be straightforward, basic and less alien to non gamers but that doesn't mean games released on the plaform can't be deep, high quality and entertaining on your own as well as at a party or family gathering. i still stick by the facts that popular opinion states that there are many more high quality games on the other 2 consoles.my_name_is_ron

not at all, and i'm not denying the wii's wild popularity but itcan be put down to it's accessibility and attractiveness to people new to gaming rather than the quality of its games. as i've stated again and again and again in this thread, the numbers don't lie and, even with the fact reviews are based on personal opinion, there is too big a gap between numbers of highly rated games on the wii and other consoles to put the blame on reviewers ignoring or underscoring wii titles. i just hope that next generation nintendo doesn't patronise all the new consumers they've gained by releasing a console with endless party games, barely any decent 3rd party support and some less repetitive first party titles than the same old mario, mario kart, smash bros, zelda and metroid rehashes.

popular opinion states that there are more high quality game on the other consoles? tell that to the 65 million wii owners. i'm sure that they'll say that the wii has the best games. YOU FAILbigpython

not at all, and i'm not denying the wii's wild popularity but itcan be put down to it's accessibility and attractiveness to people new to gaming rather than the quality of its games. as i've stated again and again and again in this thread, the numbers don't lie and, even with the fact reviews are based on personal opinion, there is too big a gap between numbers of highly rated games on the wii and other consoles to put the blame on reviewers ignoring or underscoring wii titles. i just hope that next generation nintendo doesn't patronise all the new consumers they've gained by releasing a console with endless party games, barely any decent 3rd party support and some less repetitive first party titles than the same old mario, mario kart, smash bros, zelda and metroid rehashes.