this is the worst generation ever

used games have been around since the NES days ...hell even before that .

Why they are making a big deal about used games being sold these days seems to me they are just too money hungry these days.

ive bought plenty of used ps1/n64 games in the 90s dude how come dev's werent complaining then?

seems to me developers sold their soul and became too money hungry and lost focus on making good games.

Ooor.. game development has become much more expensive.

Ooor.. game development has become much more expensive.

waltefmoney

really? lol turok was 80$ new in 1997.

while mario kart 64 was only 69$ new

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Ooor.. game development has become much more expensive.

doom4dukenukem

really? lol turok was 80$ new in 1997.

while mario kart 64 was only 69$ new

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Ooor.. game development has become much more expensive.

doom4dukenukem

really? lol turok was 80$ new in 1997.

while mario kart 64 was only 69$ new

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Ooor.. game development has become much more expensive.

doom4dukenukem

really? lol turok was 80$ new in 1997.

while mario kart 64 was only 69$ new

So you'd rather have them increase the price of video games than complain about used game sales? Sounds reasonable.

actually development should be cheaper now....engine's like unreal engine 3 people can just copy and paste crap already made.

wasnt like that during n64 days.

actually development should be cheaper now....engine's like unreal engine 3 people can just copy and paste crap already made.

wasnt like that during n64 days.

actually development should be cheaper now....engine's like unreal engine 3 people can just copy and paste crap already made.

wasnt like that during n64 days.

doom4dukenukem

actually development should be cheaper now....engine's like unreal engine 3 people can just copy and paste crap already made.

wasnt like that during n64 days.

doom4dukenukem

wow you must be a developer or something.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

actually development should be cheaper now....engine's like unreal engine 3 people can just copy and paste crap already made.

wasnt like that during n64 days.

doom4dukenukem

nope, back in 1997 turok developers couldnt just license unreal engine 3 and make the game like dev's can now.

developers had to make their own engine making development more expensive.

it's a fact development is cheaper and easier than ever these days and dev's are complaining go **** urself.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

actually development should be cheaper now....engine's like unreal engine 3 people can just copy and paste crap already made.

wasnt like that during n64 days.

nope, back in 1997 turok developers couldnt just license unreal engine 3 and make the game like dev's can now.

developers had to make their own engine making development more expensive.

it's a fact development is cheaper and easier than ever these days and dev's are complaining go **** urself.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

actually development should be cheaper now....engine's like unreal engine 3 people can just copy and paste crap already made.

wasnt like that during n64 days.

doom4dukenukem

nope, back in 1997 turok developers couldnt just license unreal engine 3 and make the game like dev's can now.

developers had to make their own engine making development more expensive.

it's a fact development is cheaper and easier than ever these days and dev's are complaining go **** urself.

ill bet money on it....the original turok the dinosaur hunter cost more money to make than turok on ps3 and xbox360 using the unreal engine 3.

original turok the dev's had to create the engine, plus 3d worlds were kinda new back then also.

ps3/360 turok they just licensed engine from epic and made it didnt even have to make engine.

ill bet money on it....the original turok the dinosaur hunter cost more money to make than turok on ps3 and xbox360 using the unreal engine 3.

original turok the dev's had to create the engine, plus 3d worlds were kinda new back then also.

ps3/360 turok they just licensed engine from epic and made it didnt even have to make engine.

[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

ill bet money on it....the original turok the dinosaur hunter cost more money to make than turok on ps3 and xbox360 using the unreal engine 3.

original turok the dev's had to create the engine, plus 3d worlds were kinda new back then also.

ps3/360 turok they just licensed engine from epic and made it didnt even have to make engine.

millerlight89

???

it's like 20 grand to license unreal engine sdk.

that's not very much.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

ill bet money on it....the original turok the dinosaur hunter cost more money to make than turok on ps3 and xbox360 using the unreal engine 3.

original turok the dev's had to create the engine, plus 3d worlds were kinda new back then also.

ps3/360 turok they just licensed engine from epic and made it didnt even have to make engine.

doom4dukenukem

???

it's like 20 grand to license unreal engine sdk.

that's not very much.

mass effect didnt hardly cost jack **** to make uses licensed unreal engine 3 ...seriously, the quality of the content is horrible, u can telll dev's werent putting long hours into making this stuff.

[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] You would lose that money. soulitane

???

it's like 20 grand to license unreal engine sdk.

that's not very much.

nope depends on how much dev's get paid per hour or whatever or how many man hours went into making it.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

???

it's like 20 grand to license unreal engine sdk.

that's not very much.

doom4dukenukem

nope depends on how much dev's get paid per hour or whatever or how many man hours went into making it.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

???

it's like 20 grand to license unreal engine sdk.

that's not very much.

doom4dukenukem

nope depends on how much dev's get paid per hour or whatever or how many man hours went into making it.

???

it's like 20 grand to license unreal engine sdk.

that's not very much.

doom4dukenukem

What? The cost for licensing the Unreal engine 3 for a commercial project is estimated to be over $700,000. Source.

[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] It costs a lot more than $20,000 to actually design everything that's in the game though, or are you just ignoring that point?Vinegar_Strokes

nope depends on how much dev's get paid per hour or whatever or how many man hours went into making it.

What makes u think u know more than me? because ur younger?

turok original game cost more to make than mass effect period.

3d technology was new so more hours had to be put into making it.

[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

???

it's like 20 grand to license unreal engine sdk.

that's not very much.

waltefmoney

What? The cost for licensing the Unreal engine 3 for a commercial project is estimated to be over $700,000. Source.

i seen on epic site it's like 20$ for sdk.

i seen on epic site it's like 20$ for sdk.

doom4dukenukem

It's 99 dollars. If you're ready to fork over 25% of the revenue your game generates to Epic that is.

turok original game cost more to make than mass effect period.

[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

nope depends on how much dev's get paid per hour or whatever or how many man hours went into making it.

doom4dukenukem

What makes u think u know more than me? because ur younger?

turok original game cost more to make than mass effect period.

3d technology was new so more hours had to be put into making it.

mass effect didnt hardly cost jack **** to make uses licensed unreal engine 3 ...seriously, the quality of the content is horrible, u can telll dev's werent putting long hours into making this stuff.

doom4dukenukem

lol it still cost a good $20mil-40mil area.The problem i think your not getting is developement back then was much cheaper, model building turnarounds were far lower due to the less complex nature of those, and the rudimentary things like less physics calculations,object models being much more primitave etc.

Turn around on a game was also far lower because of the lesser complexity of the game aswell.

Pretty sure Sonic 1 (probably the flagship game for the megadrive at the time) cost something like $500,000 to make and was expensive.FF7 was a behemoth project but im sure after advertising it barely went past the $10mil mark.

Games now are running into treble figures in some cases A-la GTA 4 so you cant blame them for getting pissy if they are investing that kinda cash in a game and people buy it used.

And btw UE3 cots a couple mil to license and its only a basic engine framework for them.

[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"]be honest. you have no idea what your talking about do you. your just making this up as you go alone. Vinegar_Strokes

What makes u think u know more than me? because ur younger?

turok original game cost more to make than mass effect period.

3d technology was new so more hours had to be put into making it.

turok n64 iguana made the graphics engine it's more expensive to make ur own engine especially when 3d tech is new also.

mass effect they just licensed engine after years of dev's already have experience with 3d worlds/engines proven technology.

mass effect was definitely cheaper to make than turok the dinosaur hunter.

why do u think mass effect dev's used unreal engine 3? because it's cheaper to license engine than to make one urself.

why do u think mass effect dev's used unreal engine 3? because it's cheaper to license engine than to make one urself.

doom4dukenukem

That depends on the game. But it's also much more expensive than building an engine 15 years ago.

[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

What makes u think u know more than me? because ur younger?

turok original game cost more to make than mass effect period.

3d technology was new so more hours had to be put into making it.

doom4dukenukem

turok n64 iguana made the graphics engine it's more expensive to make ur own engine especially when 3d tech is new also.

mass effect they just licensed engine after years of dev's already have experience with 3d worlds/engines proven technology.

mass effect was definitely cheaper to make than turok the dinosaur hunter.

why do u think mass effect dev's used unreal engine 3? because it's cheaper to license engine than to make one urself.

doom4dukenukem

why are you telling us something most of us already know :o what were getting at is the fact your claiming turok cost more than games this gen.

As i will reiterate UE3 only supplies the most basic of frameworks for the developer.

[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

why do u think mass effect dev's used unreal engine 3? because it's cheaper to license engine than to make one urself.

waltefmoney

That is true. It's also much more expensive than building an engine 15 years ago.

nope it should be cheaper because 3d game worlds are already proven 15 years later dev's got more experience now make stuff quicker

3d engine's werent proven back in turok 97 days.

Even taking into account inflation, game development has gotten far more expensive than 10-20 years ago...

[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

What makes u think u know more than me? because ur younger?

turok original game cost more to make than mass effect period.

3d technology was new so more hours had to be put into making it.

doom4dukenukem

turok n64 iguana made the graphics engine it's more expensive to make ur own engine especially when 3d tech is new also.

mass effect they just licensed engine after years of dev's already have experience with 3d worlds/engines proven technology.

mass effect was definitely cheaper to make than turok the dinosaur hunter.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

why do u think mass effect dev's used unreal engine 3? because it's cheaper to license engine than to make one urself.

doom4dukenukem

That is true. It's also much more expensive than building an engine 15 years ago.

nope it should be cheaper because 3d game worlds are already proven 15 years later dev's got more experience now make stuff quicker

3d engine's werent proven back in turok 97 days.

Do you have any proof to back up your claims?

Even taking into account inflation, game development has gotten far more expensive than 10-20 years ago...

Urworstnhtmare

it's actually probley the microsoft/sony licensing fee's jacking stuff up lol.

but the game's are actually cheaper to make

[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

That is true. It's also much more expensive than building an engine 15 years ago.

waltefmoney

nope it should be cheaper because 3d game worlds are already proven 15 years later dev's got more experience now make stuff quicker

3d engine's werent proven back in turok 97 days.

Do you have any proof to back up your claims?

more man hours had to be spent making 3d world tech just work dude back then

dev's now can create stuff quicker because more experience in 3d game worlds than 15 years ago.

it;s common sense.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

ill bet money on it....the original turok the dinosaur hunter cost more money to make than turok on ps3 and xbox360 using the unreal engine 3.

original turok the dev's had to create the engine, plus 3d worlds were kinda new back then also.

ps3/360 turok they just licensed engine from epic and made it didnt even have to make engine.

doom4dukenukem

???

it's like 20 grand to license unreal engine sdk.

that's not very much.

even if your right, who is gonna do the scripting, art, voices, animations?

[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] You would lose that money. convicted_94

???

it's like 20 grand to license unreal engine sdk.

that's not very much.

even if your right, who is gonna do the scripting, art, voices, animations?

developers have more experience doing this in 2010 than 1997 less time has to be spent making the stuff.

HINTS developments cheaper

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

nope it should be cheaper because 3d game worlds are already proven 15 years later dev's got more experience now make stuff quicker

3d engine's werent proven back in turok 97 days.

doom4dukenukem

Do you have any proof to back up your claims?

more man hours had to be spent making 3d world tech just work dude back then

dev's now can create stuff quicker because more experience in 3d game worlds than 15 years ago.

it;s common sense.

Even taking into account inflation, game development has gotten far more expensive than 10-20 years ago...

Urworstnhtmare

it's like like when u first start playing guitar...then u get better with experience over like 15 years

lol u wouldnt have to work as hard to cover someone's song.

developers have more experience now, so less hours should have to be spent making the games.

This guy's obviously having a goof. Deathtransit

look at ur avatar LOL.