this is the worst generation ever

it's like like when u first start playing guitar...then u get better with experience over like 15 years

lol u wouldnt have to work as hard to cover someone's song.

developers have more experience now, so less hours should have to be spent making the games.

doom4dukenukem

have you noticedhow games are a little bigger now than back then, there multiplayer,larger worlds, GB's of data and everyone gets paid more now days. Why do you think it takes studios more time and more people to bring out a game.

it's like like when u first start playing guitar...then u get better with experience over like 15 years

lol u wouldnt have to work as hard to cover someone's song.

developers have more experience now, so less hours should have to be spent making the games.

a developer in 1997 had to adapt from 2d to 3d development raising cost learning new things more hours have to be spent understanding tech in general.

2010 development 3d game worlds have already been proven years down the road.

Judging by your name. I agree, fps nowdays suck in comparison with doom and dukenukem. Worst gen ever, games are sooo weak,especially pc is facing the worst gen ever.dakan45

a developer in 1997 had to adapt from 2d to 3d development raising cost learning new things more hours have to be spent understanding tech in general.

2010 development 3d game worlds have already been proven years down the road.

doom4dukenukem

[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

a developer in 1997 had to adapt from 2d to 3d development raising cost learning new things more hours have to be spent understanding tech in general.

2010 development 3d game worlds have already been proven years down the road.

soulitane

they've already worked with polygons before dude, back then they hadnt even worked with polygons yet just now starting to use em more hours had to be spent learning the tech raising cost.

[QUOTE="dakan45"]Judging by your name. I agree, fps nowdays suck in comparison with doom and dukenukem. Worst gen ever, games are sooo weak,especially pc is facing the worst gen ever.millerlight89

are you sure hes being serious? lol

on topic, why was everyone so bad at using the Cell? its because its new to developers :o, see even that fits your theory.

[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]This guy's obviously having a goof. doom4dukenukem

look at ur avatar LOL.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="dakan45"]Judging by your name. I agree, fps nowdays suck in comparison with doom and dukenukem. Worst gen ever, games are sooo weak,especially pc is facing the worst gen ever.convicted_94

are you sure hes being serious? lol

on topic, why was everyone so bad at using the Cell? its because its new to developers :o, see even that fits your theory.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

a developer in 1997 had to adapt from 2d to 3d development raising cost learning new things more hours have to be spent understanding tech in general.

2010 development 3d game worlds have already been proven years down the road.

doom4dukenukem

they've already worked with polygons before dude, back then they hadnt even worked with polygons yet just not starting to use em more hours had to be spent learning the tech raising cost.

[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]This guy's obviously having a goof. Deathtransit

look at ur avatar LOL.

n64 days...dev's had to grasp moving from sprites to polygons dude.

2010 is after the fact almost been working with polygons stuff is easier for them to make now out of polygons.

Multiplayer, teh cell, 3D, bluray etc these are all new technologies. Can you even name a game that cost more than 5 million to make? even for a troll you arent even funny.

[QUOTE="Deathtransit"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

look at ur avatar LOL.

doom4dukenukem

n64 days...dev's had to grasp moving from sprites to polygons dude.

2010 is after the fact almost been working with polygons stuff is easier for them to make now out of polygons.

The OP is reminding me of a user who said real soldiers bunny hop in warzones because it helps them dodge bullets, ala Quake 3, and then used that as the basis of his argument that CoD was more realistic than ArmA2. I could of swarn that guy got banned.

Why did you make a new account?

Why did you make a new account?

waltefmoney

He got sick of triple posting with his old one.

used games have been around since the NES days ...hell even before that .

Why they are making a big deal about used games being sold these days seems to me they are just too money hungry these days.

ive bought plenty of used ps1/n64 games in the 90s dude how come dev's werent complaining then?

seems to me developers sold their soul and became too money hungry and lost focus on making good games.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Why did you make a new account?

gfhgfhfgfhgfhgf

stop talking about polygons, we know. Thats one thing that changed then.

They had little experiance with the cell, stereoscopic 3D, multiplayer,animations motion capture, did that cost money to learn?

TC you should sell your 360 and buy a better console like Wii or ps3. Plenty of good games for those.lucky_star

When did he say he owns a 360?

2010 is after the fact been working with polygons a longtime 20 years almost stuff is easier for them to make out of polygons. IT'S A FACT DEVELOPMENT IS EASIER NOW PS1 GAME CONTRA SUPPORTED 3D gfhgfhfgfhgfhgf

Couldnt be further from the truth.

More lines of sheer code,much more advanced physics,graphical computation and techniques are changing.Ai's a lot more advanced now theres more processing power which means they are more complex IF anything developement has become harder.

This is the worst thread ever.

This is the worst generation ever because developers can finally combat used game sales?

I don't quite follow the logic in this thread

used games have been around since the NES days ...hell even before that .

Why they are making a big deal about used games being sold these days seems to me they are just too money hungry these days.

ive bought plenty of used ps1/n64 games in the 90s dude how come dev's werent complaining then?

seems to me developers sold their soul and became too money hungry and lost focus on making good games.

I agree

but we still have gotten some great games

So your whole argument is Turok 64 cost more when you buy it than Mass Effect does now therefore games cost more back then.

The reason that Turok cost as much as it did as well as a lot of the 64 games was because producing 64 cartridges were a lot more expensive than just pressing a disk. Why do you think none of the companies use cartridges with any of the systems since the 64? Cartridges have 0 load times compared to the sometimes 1 min you have to wait with CD,DVD, Blu Ray disc, but the huge advantage for a developer for this a Disc over a cartridge is the much lower production cost. At the beginning of this gen it was covered thoroughly that production cost this generation has been greater than it ever has been in the past. For most Big Blockbluster games, in order for it to make back its production cost the game will have to sell 1 million units.

Now go back to the 64 era. How many of those big blockbuster games without Mario in the title sold 1 million copies? Probably very few, but you had companies releasing games so obviously most those games made their production cost back. Have you noticed how many Development studios have been shut down throughout this generation? If production cost was so high in the 64 era tons of development studios would have been going under left and right and even more so than this generation if production cost was higher back then than it is now.

Therefore you are wrong.

And to further destroy this argument here is a link of the 10 most expensive games to be made. Also in the opening paragraph they mention that as of 2000 Doom had been the most expensive game ever made with a budget of 200,000 therfore Turok had a budget that was less than 200,000

http://www.top10ranks.com/entertainment/top-10-most-expensive-video-games-in-the-world.html

What you will quickly notice is that 8 of the top 10 most expensive games are from this generation:

• Killzone 2 -45 million
• LA Noire -50 million
• APB -50 million
• Halo 3 - 55 million
• MGS4 - 60 million
• Too Human -60 million
• Gran Turismo 5 -80 million
• Grand Theft Auto 4 -100 million

2 from last generation:

• Final Fantasy XII -48 million
• Shemnue -70 million

Because rather than a few small scale local places selling them the used games sales has become a huge industry in of itself, of which the developers and publishers see no revenue from their work. As for them selling their souls (??!! :? ) why don't the used game shops give 50% of the money from used games sales to the publishers/devs then, if its not about money? :roll:blue_hazy_basic

OF course it is about money. When did anyone ever say it isn't? 50% would be insane, but I do think someting along the lines of 2-10% should be given back to developers for every used copy of a game sold.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Because rather than a few small scale local places selling them the used games sales has become a huge industry in of itself, of which the developers and publishers see no revenue from their work. As for them selling their souls (??!! :? ) why don't the used game shops give 50% of the money from used games sales to the publishers/devs then, if its not about money? :roll:CajunShooter

OF course it is about money. When did anyone ever say it isn't? 50% would be insane, but I do think someting along the lines of 2-10% should be given back to developers for every used copy of a game sold.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Because rather than a few small scale local places selling them the used games sales has become a huge industry in of itself, of which the developers and publishers see no revenue from their work. As for them selling their souls (??!! :? ) why don't the used game shops give 50% of the money from used games sales to the publishers/devs then, if its not about money? :roll:CajunShooter

OF course it is about money. When did anyone ever say it isn't? 50% would be insane, but I do think someting along the lines of 2-10% should be given back to developers for every used copy of a game sold.

Gamestop brings in revenues of $2 billion on used game sales, and their used game sales have a gross profit margin of something like 50% so that's a billion in (frankly undeserved, imo) profit.