This is why I hate DLC

now, I am not trying to rant....but I feel that something like this, is truly truly horrifying.

My example is C&C3.

DLC just got released for the 360 version.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/797/797615p1.html

5 maps for $6.25

But for the PC version.

http://browse.files.filefront.com/Command+and+Conquer+3+Maps+Levels+Missions+Map+Packs/;1979575;/browsefiles.html

112 maps for $0

I hope now....you can see whats wrong with this system....This is a huge part of the reason I buy multiplats for the PC....to avoid situations like these.

No, this is why you should hate MS.

DLC content is great. It's MS that is making it cost an arm and a leg.

Well there's good DLC and then there's bad DLC. This is the latter

Well there's good DLC and then there's bad DLC. This is the latter

htekemerald

yeah, some DLC is quite good .. like the oblivion expansion .. it's quite expensive but you do get a lot of gameplay

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Well there's good DLC and then there's bad DLC. This is the latter

akif22

yeah, some DLC is quite good .. like the oblivion expansion .. it's quite expensive but you do get a lot of gameplay

well thats nice and all but,

1) its not madatory

2)thats better than not having the option at all on ps3/wii.

/thread

expansions are fine...as long as they actually add more then new maps....which are very easy to make....But Paying for maps is outrageous.

Maps arent even very hard to make....trust me...Ive made my own for plenty of games....Its hard to learn....But once you get it....its rather fun...and even becomes a hobby.

[QUOTE="akif22"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Well there's good DLC and then there's bad DLC. This is the latter

htekemerald

yeah, some DLC is quite good .. like the oblivion expansion .. it's quite expensive but you do get a lot of gameplay

How much does the horse armor cost again?

[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="akif22"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Well there's good DLC and then there's bad DLC. This is the latter

slothboyadvance

yeah, some DLC is quite good .. like the oblivion expansion .. it's quite expensive but you do get a lot of gameplay

How much does the horse armor cost again?

[QUOTE="slothboyadvance"][QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="akif22"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Well there's good DLC and then there's bad DLC. This is the latter

htekemerald

yeah, some DLC is quite good .. like the oblivion expansion .. it's quite expensive but you do get a lot of gameplay

How much does the horse armor cost again?

:oSounds like a great deal!

(j/k)

DLC content is great. It's MS that is making it cost an arm and a leg.

purplemidgets

In this case how do we know it's Microsoft who set the price ? It probably was, but how do we know EA didn't want to do that ?

well thats nice and all but,

1) its not madatory

2)thats better than not having the option at all on ps3/wii.

/thread

JPOBS

Lemming logic, wait 7 months for the map to get it free.

PC gamer logic -god i love free DLC and i dont have to wait 7 months after release to get it free.

/thread

No, this is why you should hate MS.

DLC content is great. It's MS that is making it cost an arm and a leg.

purplemidgets

And yet people want MS to dominate this console war. They've done terrible things to the PC world, and now they're going to do terrible things to console owners who are going to get milked and nickel-and-dimed to death.

expansions are fine...as long as they actually add more then new maps....which are very easy to make....But Paying for maps is outrageous.

Maps arent even very hard to make....trust me...Ive made my own for plenty of games....Its hard to learn....But once you get it....its rather fun...and even becomes a hobby.

cobrax25

those 112 PC maps should cost $140...cobrax25

Who made those 112 maps ?

well thats nice and all but,

1) its not madatory

2)thats better than not having the option at all on ps3/wii.

/thread

JPOBS

What is that....?

your way of justifying it?

Its optional?

its also optional to download those 112 maps....

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]those 112 PC maps should cost $140...Forza_2

Who made those 112 maps ?

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]

well thats nice and all but,

1) its not madatory

2)thats better than not having the option at all on ps3/wii.

/thread

alfy13

Lemming logic, wait 7 months for the map to get it free.

PC gamer logic -god i love free DLC and i dont have to wait 7 months after release to get it free.

/thread

Look, most lemmings can't be bothered configuring a PC, and going through a less convenient way to get their DLC.

I'm both a PC and 360 gamer, and the 360 is far more convenient than a PC.

Whether or not games play better are personal preference.

[QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]those 112 PC maps should cost $140...kcm_117

Who made those 112 maps ?

Thus the quality varies.

[QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]those 112 PC maps should cost $140...kcm_117

Who made those 112 maps ?

Thus the quality varies.

[QUOTE="kcm_117"][QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]those 112 PC maps should cost $140...FrozenLiquid

Who made those 112 maps ?

Thus the quality varies.

not really...RTS maps are easy to create....and the nice thing about player made maps, is that their not made on a budget or timeline....So the quality stays rather high.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="kcm_117"][QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]those 112 PC maps should cost $140...cobrax25

Who made those 112 maps ?

Thus the quality varies.

not really...RTS maps are easy to create....and the nice thing about player made maps, is that their not made on a budget or timeline....So the quality stays rather high.

It's like saying,

Peter Jackson has a budget and a deadline for the Lord of the Rings movies.

Fan created movies have no such restrictions and you can find them on Youtube.

Quality difference? There's a lot.

Sure, there are really good player maps, but there are some newbies out there that always go "hey this is my first map, try it out, hope you guys like it" -- and that's included in the 112 player maps.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="kcm_117"][QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]those 112 PC maps should cost $140...FrozenLiquid

Who made those 112 maps ?

Thus the quality varies.

not really...RTS maps are easy to create....and the nice thing about player made maps, is that their not made on a budget or timeline....So the quality stays rather high.

It's like saying,

Peter Jackson has a budget and a deadline for the Lord of the Rings movies.

Fan created movies have no such restrictions and you can find them on Youtube.

Quality difference? There's a lot.

Sure, there are really good player maps, but there are some newbies out there that always go "hey this is my first map, try it out, hope you guys like it" -- and that's included in the 112 player maps.

except those fans dont have the same tools to create these movies as peter Jackson.

With PC map editors....you get identicle tools to those used by the devs....

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="kcm_117"][QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]those 112 PC maps should cost $140...cobrax25

Who made those 112 maps ?

Thus the quality varies.

not really...RTS maps are easy to create....and the nice thing about player made maps, is that their not made on a budget or timeline....So the quality stays rather high.

It's like saying,

Peter Jackson has a budget and a deadline for the Lord of the Rings movies.

Fan created movies have no such restrictions and you can find them on Youtube.

Quality difference? There's a lot.

Sure, there are really good player maps, but there are some newbies out there that always go "hey this is my first map, try it out, hope you guys like it" -- and that's included in the 112 player maps.

except those fans dont have the same tools to create these movies as peter Jackson.

With PC map editors....you get identicle tools to those used by the devs....

Exactly. The comparison is extremely weak, to say the least.

Players regularly create maps of higher quality than the developers themselves.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="kcm_117"][QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]those 112 PC maps should cost $140...Velocitas8

Who made those 112 maps ?

Thus the quality varies.

not really...RTS maps are easy to create....and the nice thing about player made maps, is that their not made on a budget or timeline....So the quality stays rather high.

It's like saying,

Peter Jackson has a budget and a deadline for the Lord of the Rings movies.

Fan created movies have no such restrictions and you can find them on Youtube.

Quality difference? There's a lot.

Sure, there are really good player maps, but there are some newbies out there that always go "hey this is my first map, try it out, hope you guys like it" -- and that's included in the 112 player maps.

except those fans dont have the same tools to create these movies as peter Jackson.

With PC map editors....you get identicle tools to those used by the devs....

Exactly. The comparison is extremely weak, to say the least.

Players regularly create maps of higher quality than the developers themselves.

Remember Desert Combat?

That mod was so good that The Devs were hired by EA to make BF2.

I think a lot of game developers start off as Modders.

What's the point of this thread? We all know that PC mods extend the game greatly, far more than consoles, especially consoles within a closed system like XBL. Yes you get less maps but you can be absolutely sure that all of those maps are balanced, unlike probably 90 percent of those player created maps.

Quality =/= quantity. Anybody with a half a brain knows this. Just like we all know that 90 percent of player created mods are crap. Having the ability to do so is really nice, but really throwing it in console gamers faces is really weak, And you just come off looking like an Ahole which is pretty much the norm for hermits in system wars these days.

Don't hate da playa, hate da game!

(Translated)

Don't blame it on DLC, blame it on Microsoft.

expansions are fine...as long as they actually add more then new maps....which are very easy to make....But Paying for maps is outrageous.

Maps arent even very hard to make....trust me...Ive made my own for plenty of games....Its hard to learn....But once you get it....its rather fun...and even becomes a hobby.

cobrax25

Developer maps are 99% better then user made maps.

Don't hate da playa, hate da game!

(Translated)

Don't blame it on DLC, blame it on Microsoft.

HyperMetaDragon

Yeah because it doesn't cost the game developer money to make more content! :roll:

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

expansions are fine...as long as they actually add more then new maps....which are very easy to make....But Paying for maps is outrageous.

Maps arent even very hard to make....trust me...Ive made my own for plenty of games....Its hard to learn....But once you get it....its rather fun...and even becomes a hobby.

PS3_3DO

Developer maps are 99% better then user made maps.

not at all....

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

expansions are fine...as long as they actually add more then new maps....which are very easy to make....But Paying for maps is outrageous.

Maps arent even very hard to make....trust me...Ive made my own for plenty of games....Its hard to learn....But once you get it....its rather fun...and even becomes a hobby.

cobrax25

Developer maps are 99% better then user made maps.

not at all....

They built the game so don't you think they can make better stuff.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]those 112 PC maps should cost $140...Forza_2

Who made those 112 maps ?

I just looked at them too... they're made by fans.

I wonder how much playtesting went into them? Lucky for them, they don't need to go through certification before they're released. Also lucky that they're available as is with absolutely no guarantees.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

expansions are fine...as long as they actually add more then new maps....which are very easy to make....But Paying for maps is outrageous.

Maps arent even very hard to make....trust me...Ive made my own for plenty of games....Its hard to learn....But once you get it....its rather fun...and even becomes a hobby.

PS3_3DO

Developer maps are 99% better then user made maps.

not at all....

They built the game so don't you think they can make better stuff.

no...their are plenty of people out their who make maps as a hobby...or because they even want to get hired as map makers....

Besides...these devs are often on a limited timeframe and budget....that doesnt apply to map makers....they have as much time as they need to make and perfect their own maps...

many maps even get adopted for tournamets.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

expansions are fine...as long as they actually add more then new maps....which are very easy to make....But Paying for maps is outrageous.

Maps arent even very hard to make....trust me...Ive made my own for plenty of games....Its hard to learn....But once you get it....its rather fun...and even becomes a hobby.

cobrax25

Developer maps are 99% better then user made maps.

not at all....

They built the game so don't you think they can make better stuff.

no...their are plenty of people out their who make maps as a hobby...or because they even want to get hired as map makers....

Besides...these devs are often on a limited timeframe and budget....that doesnt apply to map makers....they have as much time as they need to make and perfect their own maps...

many maps even get adopted for tournamets.

Ok didn't know that. I hope that World in Conflict has got a built-in Map Editor on the 360.

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]

well thats nice and all but,

1) its not madatory

2)thats better than not having the option at all on ps3/wii.

/thread

alfy13

Lemming logic, wait 7 months for the map to get it free.

PC gamer logic -god i love free DLC and i dont have to wait 7 months after release to get it free.

/thread

Some people make the mistake of buying home theaters in a box, without understanding that exceptionally few companies make good HTiBs (yamaha and onkyo do okay) and that most of what they find in the store exists solely because Sony, Bose, JVC, et cetera saw they could make tons of money off of people. And that's why DLC exists. Microsoft saw they could make money off of console gamers. And you know what? Until another console starts offering free DLC, they will continue to be able to do so. Gamers who *know better* still download map packs, themes, et cetera for their system. And the smart people? Well I'm playing Oblivion on PC, and my little brother has every emulator known to man on his laptop - he already owns all the games on the Wii virtual console in cartridge format, why pay for them twice?

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

expansions are fine...as long as they actually add more then new maps....which are very easy to make....But Paying for maps is outrageous.

Maps arent even very hard to make....trust me...Ive made my own for plenty of games....Its hard to learn....But once you get it....its rather fun...and even becomes a hobby.

PS3_3DO

Developer maps are 99% better then user made maps.

not at all....

They built the game so don't you think they can make better stuff.

no...their are plenty of people out their who make maps as a hobby...or because they even want to get hired as map makers....

Besides...these devs are often on a limited timeframe and budget....that doesnt apply to map makers....they have as much time as they need to make and perfect their own maps...

many maps even get adopted for tournamets.

Ok didn't know that. I hope that World in Conflict has got a built-in Map Editor on the 360.

I doubt it....Few other Console games get one...and those that do...generally get scaled down ones that arent anywhere near as powerfull as the PC ones are, because they lack the ability to import textures and objects and to change the settings of the objects (farcry: instincs)