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#1 Slambo86
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What is with the whole "blurred, washed our poor textures" BS i see coming from haters?

Denial is strong, K2 has no blurring with its textures, but majority of high quality clear textures with minor low rez ones here and there (console games, they all have them (FIXED HARDWARE)).

Has me believe that they're going by poor screens.

Then i see Haters use RE5 as an example of insane textures, which if you pay attention has textures that resemble a last gen game (RE4 to be exact). Reason being all the effort and graphical power went to the character models as with all RE games.(it is why RE5 hold up some of the best character models)

People need to stop confusing this with MOTION blurr. People do know what MOTION blurr is right? Yeesh!

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Also, its a added effect and is not easy to just have and just proves even more superior power.
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#3 Floppy_Jim
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I agree, it's mostly great textures with a few weak looking ones when you take cover. RE5 really doesn't have better textures. From an objective technical standpoint, KZ2 blows RE5 away, its just that some prefer the look of RE5.
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#4 KzerXtreme
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They attack KZ2's textures because compared to the lighting, animation, etc., it's the weakest link. I beat the game and there were more poor textures than I expected to see.

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#5 Slambo86
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They attack KZ2's textures because compared to the lighting, animation, etc., it's the weakest link. I beat the game and there were more poor textures than I expected to see.

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What are you comparing it too? At K2's level of technicality..what could you possibly be comparing it too? For what K2 does, and the MAJORITY of great textures, its nothing short of stunning. Of course if you try to dig out the worse textures, you'll find it..mainly places you don't bother to look, but the main and things viewed mostly are top notch. K2 has some of the most realistic and polished textures i've seen.
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#6 SolidTy
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The Way SW works, if a game gets a good score, you attack the Sales or Graphics.

It's a fullproof strategy against almost any game, except the big sellers like Halo, Mario, etc.

For a Console game, KZ2 is a marvel to look at, and even the Xbox company may have acknowledged this with their latest PR...all that matters is the haters voice will be silenced by the critics time and time again.


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#7 Kandlegoat
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I'm sure this is old to some people,but I just saw those youtube videos with clips of the movie downfall,where they had hitler going off about killzone 2

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#8 sikanderahmed
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people should stop hating kz2's graphics. it is an awesome looking game but I say cows also need to stop saying its the best looking console game coz its not. uncharted looks better, and imo maybe gears 2 looks a bit better too

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#9 MaximumD
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Killzone 2 haters just have nothing to talk about but sales and low res textures, which has NOTHING to do with gameplay. lol
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#10 KrazyKenKutarag
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Killzone 2 haters just have nothing to talk about but sales and low res textures, which has NOTHING to do with gameplay. lolMaximumD

To be fair, sales and textures can be factually compared to other shooters. On the other hand, gameplay is up to personal opinions, so it can't really be compared in the first place.

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#11 sikanderahmed
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Killzone 2 haters just have nothing to talk about but sales and low res textures, which has NOTHING to do with gameplay. lolMaximumD

kz2 gameplay isnt worth talking about coz it is nothing special

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#12 TheElfChild
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I've played Killzone 2. It has button lag. Therefore it sucks.



And button lag has EVERYTHING to do with gameplay.

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Everyone has the right to a opinion, you are in no position to deny others that. If declaring anyone who doesn't agree with you haters in denial makes you feel better then fine you do that, just don't expect to be taken seriously.

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#14 tmacscores91
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Obviously KZ2 has done its job on system wars. Lems and sheep evac'ed the release date, and since then its Killzone 2 iz teh flopz!1!!, it only gotz da 9!!! or another good one, it took forever to develop and its salez suckz!!!!!. And now of course the best one, RE5 iz da bestest graphical game in da whole worldz!!11!
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Everyone has the right to a opinion, you are in no position to deny others that. If declaring anyone who doesn't agree with you haters in denial makes you feel better then fine you do that, just don't expect to be taken seriously.

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This is correct. Keep it up. Didn't like the look of Killzone, and i believe it DID have poor textures.
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#16 bleehum
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Lol, either it has bad textures or it doesn't. There's no, "everyone has their own opinion" about texture quality.
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#17 marklarmer
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Killzone 2 haters just have nothing to talk about but sales and low res textures, which has NOTHING to do with gameplay. lolMaximumD
that might be true if KZ2 didnt have 1st-person covering, which slaps the camera right up against walls highlighting any average textures.
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#18 gearspwnflopzon
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I agree, it's mostly great textures with a few weak looking ones when you take cover. RE5 really doesn't have better textures. From an objective technical standpoint, KZ2 blows RE5 away, its just that some prefer the look of RE5.Floppy_Jim
re5 models blow kz2 away
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#19 gearspwnflopzon
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What is with the whole "blurred, washed our poor textures" BS i see coming from haters?

Denial is strong, K2 has no blurring with its textures, but majority of high quality clear textures with minor low rez ones here and there (console games, they all have them (FIXED HARDWARE)).

Has me believe that they're going by poor screens.

Then i see Haters use RE5 as an example of insane textures, which if you pay attention has textures that resemble a last gen game (RE4 to be exact). Reason being all the effort and graphical power went to the character models as with all RE games.(it is why RE5 hold up some of the best character models)

People need to stop confusing this with MOTION blurr. People do know what MOTION blurr is right? Yeesh!

Slambo86
maybe re5's textures looks last gen because you are playing it on ps3?
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What is with the whole "blurred, washed our poor textures" BS i see coming from haters?

Denial is strong, K2 has no blurring with its textures, but majority of high quality clear textures with minor low rez ones here and there (console games, they all have them (FIXED HARDWARE)).

Has me believe that they're going by poor screens.

Then i see Haters use RE5 as an example of insane textures, which if you pay attention has textures that resemble a last gen game (RE4 to be exact). Reason being all the effort and graphical power went to the character models as with all RE games.(it is why RE5 hold up some of the best character models)

People need to stop confusing this with MOTION blurr. People do know what MOTION blurr is right? Yeesh!

Slambo86

The "blurred, washed out poor textures" is an observation people have made. You can do 2 things with that. Dismiss it as any fanboy would as simply hating on the game or acknowledge that quite a few people see this as a weak point in the other wise great graphics of the game and move on lol

When you actually break down Killzones 2s graphics, its does have relatively low environment textures when compared to many other games out there. There is also a distinct lack of normal mapping. However, its clear that Guerilla opted to focus more on post processing effects, lighting, depth of field and motion blur. Feel free to disagree but these are just my personal observations.

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#21 jasopan
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Also, its a added effect and is not easy to just have and just proves even more superior power.killzowned24
'Ever more superior power' - hahaha, right on brother
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#22 DAZZER7
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Also, its a added effect and is not easy to just have and just proves even more superior power.killzowned24

You do realise that the PS3 is just a games console and not a political movement lol? :P

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The Way SW works, if a game gets a good score, you attack the Sales or Graphics.

It's a fullproof strategy against almost any game, except the big sellers like Halo, Mario, etc.

KZ2 is a marvel to look at, and even M$ acknowledged this with their latest PR...all that matters is the haters voice will be silenced by the critics time and time again.


SolidTy
This. Don't have a PS3, but a friend of mine might pick up KZ2 soon and I'm really looking forward to trying it out:D
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The Way SW works, if a game gets a good score, you attack the Sales or Graphics.

It's a fullproof strategy against almost any game, except the big sellers like Halo, Mario, etc.

KZ2 is a marvel to look at, and even M$ acknowledged this with their latest PR...all that matters is the haters voice will be silenced by the critics time and time again.


SolidTy

I'd agree....except Halo is still getting hated on by cows, despite it have BOTH sales and critical acclaim.

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#25 sonny2dap
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Yes whilst KZ2 does have some inconsistent environmental textures they dont add up to ruin the experience, the character/weapon models are superb and my personal favourite particle effects, smoke etc. are some of the features that make KZ2 a stunning visual experience and overall the presentation is arguably the best (on consoles) I'm talking the overall impression of the game not disecting it into it's separate categories.
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#26 clembo1990
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I don't like it because the controls are clunky and the gameplay is stale.
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#27 creativeminded
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Anyone who focuses on a texture and how so called blurry it is doesn't know much about 3D or quality as a whole so i wouldn't worry what they say (especially since a great number of them r kids). Not that I'm saying kids r dumb but they r not as experienced with all this 3D stuff and what consoles can do.
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#28 WilliamRLBaker
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LOL Killzone2=trying to be halo combat evolved killer specially so since it uses the monkier (war perfected lol)

Why is it that people that have no argument fall upon they state well the people that don't like this game haven't played it?
The simple fact is you all ready admitted your self the burring textures and bad textures are there, you forget the mention the stale bad gameplay, the slow mechanics and the team fortress rip off online.

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#29 obamanian
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What is with the whole "blurred, washed our poor textures" BS i see coming from haters?

Denial is strong, K2 has no blurring with its textures, but majority of high quality clear textures with minor low rez ones here and there (console games, they all have them (FIXED HARDWARE)).

Has me believe that they're going by poor screens.

Then i see Haters use RE5 as an example of insane textures, which if you pay attention has textures that resemble a last gen game (RE4 to be exact). Reason being all the effort and graphical power went to the character models as with all RE games.(it is why RE5 hold up some of the best character models)

People need to stop confusing this with MOTION blurr. People do know what MOTION blurr is right? Yeesh!

Slambo86

Now, i thinki read that RE5 has RE4 textures ?

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#30 subrosian
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The Way SW works, if a game gets a good score, you attack the Sales or Graphics.

It's a fullproof strategy against almost any game, except the big sellers like Halo, Mario, etc.

KZ2 is a marvel to look at, and even M$ acknowledged this with their latest PR...all that matters is the haters voice will be silenced by the critics time and time again.


SolidTy

"Haters voice"? Frankly all console games (KZ2 included ) have texture issues - especially with regard to texture filtering. Consoles just don't have the memory to do the kind of filtering I consider acceptable. As far as RE5 is concerned - dated and frustrating gameplay should be the "wtf" point - not how its textures hold up to KZ2. The people doing that comparisson need to sit down and play the games for a bit, and really consider which one is delivering an enjoyable experience, and which one is leaving you throwing your controller at the screen.

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#31 loco145
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It has bad textures..
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What is with the whole "blurred, washed our poor textures" BS i see coming from haters?

Denial is strong, K2 has no blurring with its textures, but majority of high quality clear textures with minor low rez ones here and there (console games, they all have them (FIXED HARDWARE)).

Has me believe that they're going by poor screens.

Then i see Haters use RE5 as an example of insane textures, which if you pay attention has textures that resemble a last gen game (RE4 to be exact). Reason being all the effort and graphical power went to the character models as with all RE games.(it is why RE5 hold up some of the best character models)

People need to stop confusing this with MOTION blurr. People do know what MOTION blurr is right? Yeesh!

Slambo86

just finish RE5 just recently and currently playing killzone, i do beleive KZ2 has much better graphics than RE5, im not even impressed with its graphics, although the gameplay is awesome. for me uncharted looks more impressive than RE5..

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#33 Salt_The_Fries
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KZ2 is a marvel to look at, and even M$ acknowledged this with their latest PR...SolidTy
Assuming it wasn't an article made up by fanboy, and we don't have any hard evidence if it was true. Aside from that, I agree with everything you said.
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#34 Synthetic_NinJI
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The "haters" :|

Last time I checked everybody was entitled to an opinion, as long as it is based on some kind of objective PoV.

I played Killzone 2, great game.

I also think Killzone 2 is flop in the terms of sales.

That doesn't make me or anybody a "hater", just an opinion that differs from yours.

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#35 coltsfan4ever
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Man I really hate the fanboys of this generation. Who cares about textures???? I hardly heard anybody complain about bad textures previous gens. If the game is good I can deal with "poor graphics and textures". KZ 2 is a good game. Sure it is basically just another FPS but what FPS these days is'nt??? Im so sick of ppl hating on this game. Give it a rest.

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#36 loco145
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Man I really hate the fanboys of this generation. Who cares about textures????

coltsfan4ever

If people hype graphics that far, expect discussions about the textures. Specially if Cows even dare to challenge PC games...

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#37 coltsfan4ever
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[QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]

Man I really hate the fanboys of this generation. Who cares about textures????

loco145

If people hype graphics that far, expect discussions about the textures. Specially if Cows even dare to challenge PC games...

The graphics in KZ 2 are good. I think alot of haters are just grasping at straws because the game scored well and is selling pretty good. I remember the constant threads bashing this game BEFORE it even released. Anyway I bought the game on day one and Im having a blast with it. I actually enjoyed the first KZ despite its issues and I love Liberation too.

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#38 theox2g6
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All console games have mediocre textures because of memory limitation so it's stupid to single out killzone 2 just for bashing sake, the game looks fantastic in motion and is arguably the best looking console game to date, and this is not jus from a biased perspective, i'm a pc gamer

KZ2 has incredible lighting, particle effects and post processing, it isn't the end be all of graphics but it's a good achievement for GG as a console game, textures don't have to be super detailed or bump mapped to look good, That is unless you're going for a full cgi look and that's for high end games like crysis, project offset etc. PS3 is not a super computer so KZ2 can't look better than Crysis even though it came out 2 years later, but when you compare to other console games, KZ2 is a leader and pushes the visual envelope in almost every way possible

Another underrated thing is the animations, KZ2 has unrivaled animations, some even better than Crysis, but it is an unfair comparison since Crysis is open world and refused ragdoll physics because of the strict anti violence lawas in Germany, also it has superior animations for wild life and more interactivity, but KZ2's hit response system is a benchmark for all games, It makes you feel like every bullet counts

As you can see from both shots, the top shot has more detail because of more motion blur in the second shot, the textures aren't that bad, it just so happens dat the game has a cover system that exploits the weakness of the textures when viewed up close, And trust me, you are not going to find a console game that will have good textures up close, heck, the only few pc games that have that kind of monstrous detail are games like crysis, stalker clear sky etc. and that's because of superior RAM advantage

Now i just took random crysis shots to show you how motion blur can make it look blurry even though it is detailed when standing still, the bottom two shots look blurry but that doesn't mean the textures suck

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#39 ManifestoJoe
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[QUOTE="KzerXtreme"]

They attack KZ2's textures because compared to the lighting, animation, etc., it's the weakest link. I beat the game and there were more poor textures than I expected to see.

Slambo86
What are you comparing it too? At K2's level of technicality..what could you possibly be comparing it too? For what K2 does, and the MAJORITY of great textures, its nothing short of stunning. Of course if you try to dig out the worse textures, you'll find it..mainly places you don't bother to look, but the main and things viewed mostly are top notch. K2 has some of the most realistic and polished textures i've seen.

He's comparing the textures to the other mechanics of the game.
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#40 loco145
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Killzone looks blurry because it use Quincunx instead of real AA. (Which is a lot better than no AA at all though).
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#41 hyperboy152000
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I've played Killzone 2. It has button lag. Therefore it sucks.



And button lag has EVERYTHING to do with gameplay.

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um maybe if your playing online and have a bad connection, other then that its always been fine

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#42 loco145
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[QUOTE="TheElfChild"]

I've played Killzone 2. It has button lag. Therefore it sucks.



And button lag has EVERYTHING to do with gameplay.

hyperboy152000

um maybe if your playing online and have a bad connection, other then that its always been fine

I hate that in online, many times I shot someone a fair ammount of times and for some reason he doesn't die, then he procedes to kill me only to randomly die moments later...

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It's a general observation people have made. For those who played the game with a fair opinion towards it, it's one point to bring up. People have said KZ2 gameplay is nothing special, but really, it brings the best of shooter gameplay with more realistic controls and taking the role of more than just a rifleman like in COD4/5 or any other generic shooter that tries to imitate COD gameplay. It's pretty good, though we've had enough shooters already, so many just assume it's all the same. It's not that different, but it's a good mix in gameplay, and it brings SOME life to the FPS genre. Overall, it's pretty fun for a while. However, like every other shooter, it's a cluttered mess. Well, that depends on who you play with, but people haven't mastered playing the game after almost 2 months since release. Why else do people still place spawn grenades on top of an enemy's spawn area? People are stupid, you know.:P I try to enjoy shooters, but whenever I try to play a COD game or R2, it's all the same story. That's why KZ2 is just a decent shooter. That and ranking up doesn't take too long. KZ2 is the only shooter that's at least fun for me, but I think it's time to go back to single-player games, where only AI can be an issue(and in games like Uncharted, this isn't an issue). Simply put, you can't control how people act in FPS's
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#44 GTR2addict
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Everyone has the right to a opinion, you are in no position to deny others that. If declaring anyone who doesn't agree with you haters in denial makes you feel better then fine you do that, just don't expect to be taken seriously.

AnnoyedDragon
This. this thread fails, and please, haters havent touched the game? i dont like KZ2, i think its ugly as crap (along with any other game basically, you can blame crysis for that) see, that was my opinion, i have one, you have yours, arent you happy?
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#45 onewiththegame
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I love Kilzone2 the mp is so amazing, and the graphics are great but I do think the textures are pretty poor (Gear1 and 2 have much better textures)

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#46 Ninja-Hippo
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MOTION BLUR, as you said, which occurs when you're standing still? :? Killzone 2 looks amazing - console graphics king without a doubt - but it's a simple fact that the texture quality is low. They're all very low-res, and are frequently stacked on top of each other to appear different. There's nothing wrong with that though because they use a great deal of post-processin effects to hide them and make everything look awesome and seemless. It DOES have poor textures though. To say it doesn't is to be in denial if anything.
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#47 SpruceCaboose
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The Way SW works, if a game gets a good score, you attack the Sales or Graphics.

It's a fullproof strategy against almost any game, except the big sellers like Halo, Mario, etc.

KZ2 is a marvel to look at, and even M$ acknowledged this with their latest PR...all that matters is the haters voice will be silenced by the critics time and time again.


SolidTy

Um, what? People bash SMG and Halo 3 for their visuals all the time.

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#48 Morning_Revival
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Killzone 2 is nothing special. It adds nothing new to the FPS genre, the story is lackluster and the ending is lame. The multiplayer is decent but nothing revolutionary. The only part of that game that is truely amazing is the visuals. And dont say I havent played it, because I used to have it.
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#49 inertk
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Yeah, I never understood that. People attempting to put down the textures in KZ2 which are amazing, then citing a game like Re5 which has great textures itself but nothing above the likes of Killzone 2. It's odd. Especially considering that Re5 is far less consistant than KZ2 when it comes to texturing.
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#50 E-Oreo93
Member since 2009 • 94 Posts
the textures are poor and thats saying something coming from a wii gamer >_>