Thoughts from oldschool Nintendo fans please.

As a nintendo fan I'm glad they are having success, but honestly with the Wii I'm a bit dissapointed.  I was a huge fan of nintendo durring the nes-snes days, but they dissapointed my with the n64, and I was pretty jaded, and cynical when the GC rolled out.

With the NES-GC you had pretty much cutting edge graphics, and I really don't see why they couldn't of done something similar with the Wii.  Really alot of fanboys are hitting the nail on the head when they call it the Gamecube lite, cause it's a slight improvement over gamecube hardware (power, design, wifi, etc).  I don't think nintendo needed ps3/360 graphics, but I was expecting just a little bit more.

As far as the controller goes I think they keyword again is dissapointment.  Basically the motion device is used as just another button which ends up making a ton of the Wii games easy to pick up, but really shallow when it comes to gameplay.  I mean come on who hasn't bowled a perfect 300 in wii bowling.  Hell I've even seen little kids that can't tie their own shoes bowl perfect games.

I know you can make the excuse that the Wii is only a few months old and still needs time to get use to, but really that's wishful thinking.  You've got to judge a console on what it does right now cause the future can really go either way.

[QUOTE="Michael85"]

I think anyone who complains about Nintendo simply doesn't have the right to. They scream "bu bu I expect teh grafix from teh nex-gen!!!!", yet they ignore that there are not one, but TWO other consoles that deliver that. They scream, "bu bu teh GIMMICK," yet they ignore that there are not one, but TWO other consoles that deliver standard controllers. They scream, "bu bu I want teh decent online!!!," yet they ignore that there are not one, but TWO other consoles that deliver decent online right now.

But the bottom line is this: Nintendo is offering something different, and the fanboys are scared ****less that it's going to take over. I don't blame them, they're scared for the same reasons old, fat, white republicans sitting in political offices are scared today: they're afraid of change.

Chargeagles1

I agree with you a hundred percent.

Well said Michael85.

[QUOTE="lazzordude"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Rather embarassing. The NES and SNES were great - tons of third party games (Mega Man, Final Fantasy, Contra, Castlevania, etc. etc.), the best first party games (Super Metroid, Super Mario World, ALTTP, etc. etc.) and didn't rely on a gimmick to sell the system (although the NES had a few gimmicks), but instead relied on good games.AHUGECAT

It's selling so well because of the gimmick - while the Xbox 360 sells based on good games, Nintendo puts a poorly put together system with a primitive gyration controller and sells it for $250 (their most expensive console ever).

How is the gyroscope technology primitive. Though many games don't take advantage properly its actually extremely sensitive and advanced. Primitive is a word id use to describe gamepads based on the same formula for decades.

 As for my opinion, I feel like Nintendo needs to step it up and make some more interesting games and stop shoveling out the same things theyve been doing for years. Theyre resting on their laurels and it could come back to haunt them.

Also to those out there who say the wiimote is just a gimmick u have to understand that gimmicks dont last and the reason behind that is they dont change for instance i saw a game in an arcade with a nerf sword thats all it was the wiimote on the other hand does change it can be used for whatever developers see fit so ever game u play it becomes something new and that is why it is simply not a gimmick

I've played since like the Atari days and here's my thoughts:

Art Style > Graphics
There's lots of games that approach the realism side of things, but look ugly.  We got brown games last gen, and this gen seems to be even browner overall.  Brown does not equal real.  Visually appealing games are few and far between (I say appealing, not realistic).  The realism in games haven't jumped that much with this generation of consoles.  Afterall Super Metriod is better graphically than a lot of 3D games just simply because of the polish that was applied.

Gameplay
Gameplay has not changed in forever.  Even the Wiimote has not really changed anything.  We still have our adventure games, FPS, racing, fighters, sports, puzzle, so on so forth.

Funfactor
Games weren't that fun anymore.  I got my fill of FPS shooting goodness back with Half Life.  No new puzzle games have really grabbed anyone; Tetris has been around forever.  Mini-games or not, I found the Wii the system I ended up being able to go back to because no I don't need or even want 100 hours worth of gameplay.  It's not that fun.  I found myself getting frustrated with the current FF series because of the incessent cut-scenes and so little game play.  Playing a match of WiiSports Tennis has more game play than an hour of FF play because I spent so much time sitting and watching.

The Wii as a system is okay, it's really the games are fun.  Though granted, there is no way WiiSports or Warioware would even be half or a quarter as fun as they are without the Wiimote.

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]

I wouldnt say im old school, but i owned nintendo consoles from the snes on up.

 

my thoughts: the wii is a very bad console with few games i care about, no online, bad graphics, and bad 3rd party support.

Rahnyc4

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]

I wouldnt say im old school, but i owned nintendo consoles from the snes on up.

 

my thoughts: the wii is a very bad console with few games i care about, no online, bad graphics, and bad 3rd party support.

AfterShafter

Wii is good for people who cant enter high def gaming... kudos to nintendo for this. But the games are kinda meh. Even if Wii gets more support from japan its still will never get great games that the pc, 360 and ps3 gets. Western devs and publishers are the most important this gen because they bring real/hardcore games. While japan is crazy about mini games, wacky stuff, sims and rpg. Almost 3/4 of japanese games will never be brought here. Everytime I see the weekly media create sales I really get super sad, I miss the old times when Japan gave great games to the world.

i liked nintendo more in the NES SNES days when they had all the big third party productions, now to find that i have to looks somewhere else

Years ago when the SNES got Contra III The Alien Wars it was like Gears of War now for 360, that feeling of epic third party games has been lost since the N64 

I only ever owned a SNES and I had great times with it. I think thats where Nintendo should have ended, because i find it stupid that there are more than 100 games with "Mario" in there somewhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mario_games_by_year

I only ever owned a SNES and I had great times with it. I think thats where Nintendo should have ended, because i find it stupid that there are more than 100 games with "Mario" in there somewhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mario_games_by_year

 

leejohnson7

im a old school Nintendo fan, to where the first console game was super mario brothers. i would say from my stand point, that the market of today isnt as fun as the video game market of yester years. video game back then was at its greatest moment. if you every heard someone say music today is lame compared to music today, then believe them. if you hear someone say movies today isnt the same as it use to be back then, then listen to what they say.

if someone who actually grew up with the video game industry, though i missed the atari years. i can say that video games back then was so fresh and care free, to where you see developers taking so many kinds of risks, compared to video games of today. developers of today are more taking the safe route, just as with what hollywood is doing. there basically putting out games that they assume is a definate sell. we all know mature games sell, but the industry cries for new gaming experience.

to answer your question. the step Nintendo too was just, and very respectful and brave. Nintendo made a move, to where they didnt know what the hell to expect. we dont need 3 machines on the market, that offer the same taste in games. the wii definitly is going to be as diverse as the Ds, to where it offers games to every demographic, which is a plus. i like the fact that Nintendo put out a console, that feels so refreshing, to where it makes a older gamer like me feel like the good old days.

i think this is why Nintendo is selling so well with the wii. the misconception is that Nintendo is selling to only the casuals, but in truth, there selling to people who were original gamers, who felt that the industry doesnt cater to there needs. i gave the ps2 that respect, that it offers things that made it felt like a true console, even though it had media features. the wii and its new controller offers so much more, being it can emulate a few arcade set ups, which is a plus for many who miss the old arcade feel.

Nintendo made a drastic and well respectful move, which could of hurt or heal them, which right now its healing them and giving the Nintendo brand, as well as most sectors in gaming a Rebirth.Rahnyc4

nice 

i cant agree more 

[QUOTE="Michael85"]

I think anyone who complains about Nintendo simply doesn't have the right to. They scream "bu bu I expect teh grafix from teh nex-gen!!!!", yet they ignore that there are not one, but TWO other consoles that deliver that. They scream, "bu bu teh GIMMICK," yet they ignore that there are not one, but TWO other consoles that deliver standard controllers. They scream, "bu bu I want teh decent online!!!," yet they ignore that there are not one, but TWO other consoles that deliver decent online right now.

But the bottom line is this: Nintendo is offering something different, and the fanboys are scared ****less that it's going to take over. I don't blame them, they're scared for the same reasons old, fat, white republicans sitting in political offices are scared today: they're afraid of change.

Ibacai

Yeah sure you have the right to, free speach and all that, but with that you also have the right to sound like a total douche bag for the exact reasons he outlined.

If you don't like it, don't buy it and go get one of the other systems that does what you want.  Why complain about a Honda if what you want is a Subaru?  Because you want a Honda to be a Subaru?  Well that's just stupid.  And just so everyone knows, if a Honda was anything like a Subaru, you wouldn't be able to get it for a "Honda price".

(This isn't aimed at you, but at the people Michael85 was talking about)

[QUOTE="lazzordude"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Rather embarassing. The NES and SNES were great - tons of third party games (Mega Man, Final Fantasy, Contra, Castlevania, etc. etc.), the best first party games (Super Metroid, Super Mario World, ALTTP, etc. etc.) and didn't rely on a gimmick to sell the system (although the NES had a few gimmicks), but instead relied on good games.AHUGECAT

It's selling so well because of the gimmick - while the Xbox 360 sells based on good games, Nintendo puts a poorly put together system with a primitive gyration controller and sells it for $250 (their most expensive console ever).

Consoles dont SELL just because of their games. They sell becasue of their features. The Wiimote+Nunchuk maybe be a gimmick to some, but not to me. Its just another risky, but great feature, if implimented right.

so to tell me that consoles sell based on their games alone is B.S.

NES and SNES were fantastic back in the day, but I was a kid. These days I still like those games and I still like Nintendo games, but I want more than just that out of my console. I want the technological capability and the attitude needed to push games to the next level, but Nintendo seems to want to push gaming backwards. It may work out well for them, but its most definitely not what I want as a gamer.Teufelhuhn

First of all......how is it a step backwards when it is more powerful than any of the last gen consoles?

2nd of all,...quality games are still being made on all systems

The wii is getting mario galaxy, SSBB, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Strikers Charged and various others.

[QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]

What are the thoughts of old-school NES and SNES fans, regarding the recent revival of Nintendo in the mainstream?

freeload

It's great!

I just wish the Wii was as satisfying and complete a system all round as the SNES was.

I hope it will be but i don't talk about the wii in the past tense. it's not like it's life cycle is over. it's just begun and more games and support come every week. it still has a very good chance. 

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]NES and SNES were fantastic back in the day, but I was a kid. These days I still like those games and I still like Nintendo games, but I want more than just that out of my console. I want the technological capability and the attitude needed to push games to the next level, but Nintendo seems to want to push gaming backwards. It may work out well for them, but its most definitely not what I want as a gamer.Shinobishyguy

First of all......how is it a step backwards when it is more powerful than any of the last gen consoles?

2nd of all,...quality games are still being made on all systems

The wii is getting mario galaxy, SSBB, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Strikers Charged and various others.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]NES and SNES were fantastic back in the day, but I was a kid. These days I still like those games and I still like Nintendo games, but I want more than just that out of my console. I want the technological capability and the attitude needed to push games to the next level, but Nintendo seems to want to push gaming backwards. It may work out well for them, but its most definitely not what I want as a gamer.Teufelhuhn

First of all......how is it a step backwards when it is more powerful than any of the last gen consoles?

2nd of all,...quality games are still being made on all systems

The wii is getting mario galaxy, SSBB, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Strikers Charged and various others.

compare brawl to Melee.

You could try to argue.....but those games were never done on the GC.

And that art statement can be subjective depending on the person.

to me, Majora's mask and Twilight Princess were peices of art. 

compare SMG to Super mario sunshine

compare brawl to Melee.

You could try to argue.....but those games were never done on the GC.
Shinobishyguy

I've never played either which is why I've reserved judgement for both, but to me I'm not seeing anything the GameCube couldn't handle except perhaps the graphics.   

And that art statement can be subjective depending on the person.

to me, Majora's mask and Twilight Princess were peices of art. 

Shinobishyguy

I think anyone who complains about Nintendo simply doesn't have the right to.  They scream "bu bu I expect teh grafix from teh nex-gen!!!!", yet they ignore that there are not one, but TWO other consoles that deliver that.  They scream, "bu bu teh GIMMICK," yet they ignore that there are not one, but TWO other consoles that deliver standard controllers.  They scream, "bu bu I want teh decent online!!!," yet they ignore that there are not one, but TWO other consoles that deliver decent online right now.

But the bottom line is this: Nintendo is offering something different, and the fanboys are scared ****less that it's going to take over.  I don't blame them, they're scared for the same reasons old, fat, white republicans sitting in political offices are scared today: they're afraid of change.

Michael85

It has the potential to be their best console to date. And lol@ the guy who says it's "their most expensive console to date". That SNES he was praising so highly retailed for the same at launch and had a game bundled as well. The nonbundled versions of both retail for the same (points to Japanese Wii, which doesn't have WiiSports bundled in).

Old, fat and white republicans aren't afraid of change. They're just concerned about their personal interest and gain. Whatever evil that may be, yes. But they're not afraid of change. If change were to make them more money, they'd change in a heart beat.DireToad

ROFL

So, what about us ""Evil" Young Skinny White Republicans" who aren't concerned somuch with money other than actually being able to keep that which we've earned (as opposed to quasi-socialist state many on the left would absolutely be delighted to impose upon our nation - coincidentally those who keep their money outside of America to dodge that which they wish to impose) and would welcome change if it didn't involve throwing away traditional values that has made this country great in the process. Simplify those which you disagree with at your own peril, friend.

Um its good for the most part. the nintendo 1st party is as strong as ever. I love Zelda TP(F gamespot) and Superpapermario. I am looking forward to alot of other games. However i would like the Wii library to be on the level of the 360, so atleast the system with the best library wins, not the system with the most appeal.