To all those fascinated with the cell:

Sony sold the patent of the real cell processor(server version) and sold their manufacturing plants that develop the ps3's version of the cell processor to Toshiba...they actually did this awhile ago!

yep its true, engadget.com

1-up.com

Did u know this? Sony even thought the cell **wasn't a viable investment! They sold it to cut costs and risk factors. They are now trying to focus on other products like bravias and ps3s. They are trying to make the ps3 work as well as it can with what it has. The version of the cell in the ps3 is a slimmed down version of the real cell to cut manufacturing costs as well.

Sony hyped the cell to run the attention train and get people to buy the ps3, sony back their statements and denies all claims about the cell being a bad idea in the ps3 with positive claims from themselves. Sony does this buy PR and 2nd/1st party developers statements.

The ps3 is a fine machine but it is no where near as mighty as some fanboys make it out to be, its is on par with consoles of today and no further. So dont feel sad when u see to years to come that the ps3 and 360 will stay in a tight race with games and hardware.

Game wise it is up to the developers to make a good looking and playing game, the game score does not reflect upon the consoles hardware as much as people like to think.

BTW a ps3 developer can say they only used 30% of the ps3 power, as can a wii and 360 developer. Its all up to what the developer thinks and hopes they can do with the machine with enough money and resources. Epic's mark rein and cliffy B said they only used 40% of the 360's "power" on gears of wars, so whats does that make u think?

The idea of power and using a percent of that consoles power is just PR and wishes.

edit: link fixed.

Two things you should do in the future when thinking of making a new thread.

1. Actually read the articles you link to so as to actually have a clue what was really said and

2. Look at the dates to the articles you are linking to. ;)

Two things you should do in the future when thinking of making a new thread.

1. Actually read the articles you link to so as to actually have a clue what was really said and

2. Look at the dates to the articles you are linking to. ;)

Bubblehash

3. look if there are related threads

Two things you should do in the future when thinking of making a new thread.

1. Actually read the articles you link to so as to actually have a clue what was really said and

2. Look at the dates to the articles you are linking to. ;)

Bubblehash

The Cell is truely a revolution in gaming. It will literally change the landscape of gaming forever. I guarantee you that Microsoft and Nintendo are doing some heavy R&D on the Cell processor to learn about it, and incoporate some of its power into their next gen consoles.

The reason Sony sold the Cell plant to Toshiba is simple: it was expensive. Imagine how expensive it costs to produce such a cutting edge piece of technology? These things aren't cheap, you know. Now, Sony gets money from selling the factory, and they get to buy the Cell for really cheap, so they win either way. They get to use a piece of tehcnology that is used in the most advanced computers in the world, and they make money off of them!

The way the SPUs work in the Cell is revollutionary as well. It does things that have never been done before, and perhaps never will be done again. In fact, with the EDGE development tools, look to see the boundaries of what is possible in gaming stretched beyond anything you could possibly imagine- it is that powerful.

So, no Sony did not do something bad by selling the Cell to Toshiba, Kaz-San would never do anything that would be bad in the long run for Sony.

[QUOTE="Bubblehash"]

Two things you should do in the future when thinking of making a new thread.

1. Actually read the articles you link to so as to actually have a clue what was really said and

2. Look at the dates to the articles you are linking to. ;)

LibertySaint

The Cell is truely a revolution in gaming. It will literally change the landscape of gaming forever. I guarantee you that Microsoft and Nintendo are doing some heavy R&D on the Cell processor to learn about it, and incoporate some of its power into their next gen consoles.

The reason Sony sold the Cell plant to Toshiba is simple: it was expensive. Imagine how expensive it costs to produce such a cutting edge piece of technology? These things aren't cheap, you know. Now, Sony gets money from selling the factory, and they get to buy the Cell for really cheap, so they win either way. They get to use a piece of tehcnology that is used in the most advanced computers in the world, and they make money off of them!

The way the SPUs work in the Cell is revollutionary as well. It does things that have never been done before, and perhaps never will be done again. In fact, with the EDGE development tools, look to see the boundaries of what is possible in gaming stretched beyond anything you could possibly imagine- it is that powerful.

So, no Sony did not do something bad by selling the Cell to Toshiba, Kaz-San would never do anything that would be bad in the long run for Sony.

Fart_Storm

did you just post that somewhere else, and if the cell is so revolutionary why have we yet to see the results,the cell is a lie by sony to sell consoles

[QUOTE="Fart_Storm"]

The Cell is truely a revolution in gaming. It will literally change the landscape of gaming forever. I guarantee you that Microsoft and Nintendo are doing some heavy R&D on the Cell processor to learn about it, and incoporate some of its power into their next gen consoles.

The reason Sony sold the Cell plant to Toshiba is simple: it was expensive. Imagine how expensive it costs to produce such a cutting edge piece of technology? These things aren't cheap, you know. Now, Sony gets money from selling the factory, and they get to buy the Cell for really cheap, so they win either way. They get to use a piece of tehcnology that is used in the most advanced computers in the world, and they make money off of them!

The way the SPUs work in the Cell is revollutionary as well. It does things that have never been done before, and perhaps never will be done again. In fact, with the EDGE development tools, look to see the boundaries of what is possible in gaming stretched beyond anything you could possibly imagine- it is that powerful.

So, no Sony did not do something bad by selling the Cell to Toshiba, Kaz-San would never do anything that would be bad in the long run for Sony.

alexmurray

did you just post that somewhere else, and if the cell is so revolutionary why have we yet to see the results,the cell is a lie by sony to sell consoles

I could try to explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand. But just trust me- the Cell is a revolution in gaming, and it will change everything.

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Fart_Storm"]

The Cell is truely a revolution in gaming. It will literally change the landscape of gaming forever. I guarantee you that Microsoft and Nintendo are doing some heavy R&D on the Cell processor to learn about it, and incoporate some of its power into their next gen consoles.

The reason Sony sold the Cell plant to Toshiba is simple: it was expensive. Imagine how expensive it costs to produce such a cutting edge piece of technology? These things aren't cheap, you know. Now, Sony gets money from selling the factory, and they get to buy the Cell for really cheap, so they win either way. They get to use a piece of tehcnology that is used in the most advanced computers in the world, and they make money off of them!

The way the SPUs work in the Cell is revollutionary as well. It does things that have never been done before, and perhaps never will be done again. In fact, with the EDGE development tools, look to see the boundaries of what is possible in gaming stretched beyond anything you could possibly imagine- it is that powerful.

So, no Sony did not do something bad by selling the Cell to Toshiba, Kaz-San would never do anything that would be bad in the long run for Sony.

Fart_Storm

did you just post that somewhere else, and if the cell is so revolutionary why have we yet to see the results,the cell is a lie by sony to sell consoles

I could try to explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand. But just trust me- the Cell is a revolution in gaming, and it will change everything.

and your proof that we will ever see the cell in action is

[QUOTE="Fart_Storm"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Fart_Storm"]

The Cell is truely a revolution in gaming. It will literally change the landscape of gaming forever. I guarantee you that Microsoft and Nintendo are doing some heavy R&D on the Cell processor to learn about it, and incoporate some of its power into their next gen consoles.

The reason Sony sold the Cell plant to Toshiba is simple: it was expensive. Imagine how expensive it costs to produce such a cutting edge piece of technology? These things aren't cheap, you know. Now, Sony gets money from selling the factory, and they get to buy the Cell for really cheap, so they win either way. They get to use a piece of tehcnology that is used in the most advanced computers in the world, and they make money off of them!

The way the SPUs work in the Cell is revollutionary as well. It does things that have never been done before, and perhaps never will be done again. In fact, with the EDGE development tools, look to see the boundaries of what is possible in gaming stretched beyond anything you could possibly imagine- it is that powerful.

So, no Sony did not do something bad by selling the Cell to Toshiba, Kaz-San would never do anything that would be bad in the long run for Sony.

alexmurray

did you just post that somewhere else, and if the cell is so revolutionary why have we yet to see the results,the cell is a lie by sony to sell consoles

I could try to explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand. But just trust me- the Cell is a revolution in gaming, and it will change everything.

and your proof that we will ever see the cell in action is

Killzone 2

SOCOM

GT5

FF13 Versus

LBP

Uncharted

COD4

MAG

TEAM ICO

MGS4

GOW3

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Fart_Storm"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Fart_Storm"]

The Cell is truely a revolution in gaming. It will literally change the landscape of gaming forever. I guarantee you that Microsoft and Nintendo are doing some heavy R&D on the Cell processor to learn about it, and incoporate some of its power into their next gen consoles.

The reason Sony sold the Cell plant to Toshiba is simple: it was expensive. Imagine how expensive it costs to produce such a cutting edge piece of technology? These things aren't cheap, you know. Now, Sony gets money from selling the factory, and they get to buy the Cell for really cheap, so they win either way. They get to use a piece of tehcnology that is used in the most advanced computers in the world, and they make money off of them!

The way the SPUs work in the Cell is revollutionary as well. It does things that have never been done before, and perhaps never will be done again. In fact, with the EDGE development tools, look to see the boundaries of what is possible in gaming stretched beyond anything you could possibly imagine- it is that powerful.

So, no Sony did not do something bad by selling the Cell to Toshiba, Kaz-San would never do anything that would be bad in the long run for Sony.

Fart_Storm

did you just post that somewhere else, and if the cell is so revolutionary why have we yet to see the results,the cell is a lie by sony to sell consoles

I could try to explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand. But just trust me- the Cell is a revolution in gaming, and it will change everything.

and your proof that we will ever see the cell in action is

Killzone 2

SOCOM

GT5

FF13 Versus

LBP

Uncharted

COD4

MAG

TEAM ICO

MGS4

GOW3

and your proof that we will ever see the cell in action is

alexmurray

[QUOTE="alexmurray"]

and your proof that we will ever see the cell in action is

Mandingo101

You know there are games on PC right?

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Fart_Storm"]

The Cell is truely a revolution in gaming. It will literally change the landscape of gaming forever. I guarantee you that Microsoft and Nintendo are doing some heavy R&D on the Cell processor to learn about it, and incoporate some of its power into their next gen consoles.

The reason Sony sold the Cell plant to Toshiba is simple: it was expensive. Imagine how expensive it costs to produce such a cutting edge piece of technology? These things aren't cheap, you know. Now, Sony gets money from selling the factory, and they get to buy the Cell for really cheap, so they win either way. They get to use a piece of tehcnology that is used in the most advanced computers in the world, and they make money off of them!

The way the SPUs work in the Cell is revollutionary as well. It does things that have never been done before, and perhaps never will be done again. In fact, with the EDGE development tools, look to see the boundaries of what is possible in gaming stretched beyond anything you could possibly imagine- it is that powerful.

So, no Sony did not do something bad by selling the Cell to Toshiba, Kaz-San would never do anything that would be bad in the long run for Sony.

Fart_Storm

did you just post that somewhere else, and if the cell is so revolutionary why have we yet to see the results,the cell is a lie by sony to sell consoles

I could try to explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand. But just trust me- the Cell is a revolution in gaming, and it will change everything.

why it's not on the pc yet if it's so powerful? ho yeah, because a Q6600> teh cell

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Fart_Storm"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Fart_Storm"]

The Cell is truely a revolution in gaming. It will literally change the landscape of gaming forever. I guarantee you that Microsoft and Nintendo are doing some heavy R&D on the Cell processor to learn about it, and incoporate some of its power into their next gen consoles.

The reason Sony sold the Cell plant to Toshiba is simple: it was expensive. Imagine how expensive it costs to produce such a cutting edge piece of technology? These things aren't cheap, you know. Now, Sony gets money from selling the factory, and they get to buy the Cell for really cheap, so they win either way. They get to use a piece of tehcnology that is used in the most advanced computers in the world, and they make money off of them!

The way the SPUs work in the Cell is revollutionary as well. It does things that have never been done before, and perhaps never will be done again. In fact, with the EDGE development tools, look to see the boundaries of what is possible in gaming stretched beyond anything you could possibly imagine- it is that powerful.

So, no Sony did not do something bad by selling the Cell to Toshiba, Kaz-San would never do anything that would be bad in the long run for Sony.

Fart_Storm

did you just post that somewhere else, and if the cell is so revolutionary why have we yet to see the results,the cell is a lie by sony to sell consoles

I could try to explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand. But just trust me- the Cell is a revolution in gaming, and it will change everything.

and your proof that we will ever see the cell in action is

Killzone 2 yet to be realised

SOCOM dosnt look that good, yet to be realised

GT5 yet to be realised

FF13 Versus yet to be realised

LBP yet to be realised, dont look that good

Uncharted good, but have you seen the new laura croft pics

COD4 looks the same as 360

MAG Yet to be realised

TEAM ICO yet to be realised

MGS4 looks good when its a movie scene

GOW3 yet to be realised, you cant judge a game till it come out

[QUOTE="alexmurray"]

and your proof that we will ever see the cell in action is

Mandingo101

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

and your proof that we will ever see the cell in action is

marklarmer

You know there are games on PC right?

[QUOTE="marklarmer"][QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

and your proof that we will ever see the cell in action is

Mandingo101

You know there are games on PC right?

so your saying the cell is more advanced than all modern processors in terms of gaming?

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Fart_Storm"]

The Cell is truely a revolution in gaming. It will literally change the landscape of gaming forever. I guarantee you that Microsoft and Nintendo are doing some heavy R&D on the Cell processor to learn about it, and incoporate some of its power into their next gen consoles.

The reason Sony sold the Cell plant to Toshiba is simple: it was expensive. Imagine how expensive it costs to produce such a cutting edge piece of technology? These things aren't cheap, you know. Now, Sony gets money from selling the factory, and they get to buy the Cell for really cheap, so they win either way. They get to use a piece of tehcnology that is used in the most advanced computers in the world, and they make money off of them!

The way the SPUs work in the Cell is revollutionary as well. It does things that have never been done before, and perhaps never will be done again. In fact, with the EDGE development tools, look to see the boundaries of what is possible in gaming stretched beyond anything you could possibly imagine- it is that powerful.

So, no Sony did not do something bad by selling the Cell to Toshiba, Kaz-San would never do anything that would be bad in the long run for Sony.

Fart_Storm

did you just post that somewhere else, and if the cell is so revolutionary why have we yet to see the results,the cell is a lie by sony to sell consoles

I could try to explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand. But just trust me- the Cell is a revolution in gaming, and it will change everything.

Really? Revolutionise gaming? Thats funny. You see Intel, AMD, NVidia and ATI could care less about the architecture of the cell and they're the ones leading the way in terms of performance. But then again, I bet you've probably not even heard of pc gaming! lol

You must be on Sony's payroll.

The Cell is truly a revolution in gaming. It will literally change the landscape of gaming forever. I guarantee you that Microsoft and Nintendo are doing some heavy R&D on the Cell processor to learn about it, and incoporate some of its power into their next gen consoles.Fart_Storm

No. They aren't. Nintendo will likely bankroll on its success of the Wii and market the next generation of its system as an affordable family entertainment device. They are unlikely to require very advanced hardware since they will probably keep a Wii-like trend considering its success.

Microsoft remains a software company. They know already the hassles of developing for such an architecture. They will still rely on the familiarity of the x86-64 architecture to get more developers to create 360-PC multiplatform titles. It wouldn't make sense to switch to a drastic architecture.

The reason Sony sold the Cell plant to Toshiba is simple: it was expensive. Imagine how expensive it costs to produce such a cutting edge piece of technology? These things aren't cheap, you know. Now, Sony gets money from selling the factory, and they get to buy the Cell for really cheap, so they win either way. They get to use a piece of technology that is used in the most advanced computers in the world, and they make money off of them!Fart_Storm

And its also expensive for AMD, Intel, and IBM to have these large fabrication plants, but neither of these companies have sold off there plants. In fact, most are expanding and creating new ones. It looks like these 3 guys can maintain these fabrication processes even with its expenses. Sony can't. Gee... i wonder why? Could it be a flop of a processor?

The way the SPUs work in the Cell is revolutionary as well. It does things that have never been done before, and perhaps never will be done again. In fact, with the EDGE development tools, look to see the boundaries of what is possible in gaming stretched beyond anything you could possibly imagine- it is that powerful.Fart_Storm

If by "revolutionary" and "never been done before" you mean nearly identical to the AGEIA PhysX PPU that was released several months Cell launched from the perspective of developers, then yes you would be correct.

Im so glad you can confidently claim that the Cell will push gaming beyond anything i could possibly imagine. It seems rather odd that every title you listed further down does not look as good as Crysis does, hold as many concurrent players as nearly any PC MMO, or isnt nearly as flexible as most PC titles for content creation. But don't worry, i'll be waiting for the Cell to take my gaming experience beyond what i can imagine.... But it might just have to take it over what i already have right now on my PC to do that.

So, no Sony did not do something bad by selling the Cell to Toshiba, Kaz-San would never do anything that would be bad in the long run for Sony.Fart_Storm

Because the guy is an electrical engineer and a software developer and understand the intricacies of how each decision he makes will affect developers?

The Cell is truely a revolution in gaming. It will literally change the landscape of gaming forever. I guarantee you that Microsoft and Nintendo are doing some heavy R&D on the Cell processor to learn about it, and incoporate some of its power into their next gen consoles.

The reason Sony sold the Cell plant to Toshiba is simple: it was expensive. Imagine how expensive it costs to produce such a cutting edge piece of technology? These things aren't cheap, you know. Now, Sony gets money from selling the factory, and they get to buy the Cell for really cheap, so they win either way. They get to use a piece of tehcnology that is used in the most advanced computers in the world, and they make money off of them!

The way the SPUs work in the Cell is revollutionary as well. It does things that have never been done before, and perhaps never will be done again. In fact, with the EDGE development tools, look to see the boundaries of what is possible in gaming stretched beyond anything you could possibly imagine- it is that powerful.

So, no Sony did not do something bad by selling the Cell to Toshiba, Kaz-San would never do anything that would be bad in the long run for Sony.

Fart_Storm

[QUOTE="marklarmer"][QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

and your proof that we will ever see the cell in action is

Mandingo101

You know there are games on PC right?

Sorry, the latest C2Ds and Quad Core extreme wipe the floor with the cell in the ps3 in terms of gaming. In theory, shouldn't the cell be much much better at multi-threaded processes such as running an operating system and several different applications with its spe's? Nope because the spe's are so so limited on what they can do if you dont want to really slow everything down.

Trust me, if the cell was really what Sony initially hyped it to be, Intel would be rolling something similar out. But no instead, the new Nehalem will have 4 true cores, each with 2 hardware threads meaning that it can operate as 8 seperate cores meaning. We're not talking crappy little spe's we're talking full cpu's! Today's high end cpu's are leaps ahead of the cell.

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

and your proof that we will ever see the cell in action is

MojondeVACA

The Cell is truely a revolution in gaming. It will literally change the landscape of gaming forever. I guarantee you that Microsoft and Nintendo are doing some heavy R&D on the Cell processor to learn about it, and incoporate some of its power into their next gen consoles.

Fart_Storm

I can't help but laugh at this-the cell is a server processor-it deals in large, floating point numbers. Games, however, deal mostly with longs and booleans (believe me-I've written a few myself), neither of which the cell is particularly designed to handle. Thus, while the cell may be a stellar processor, it simply is designed for something entirely different from games, which prevents it from being an advantage.

[QUOTE="Fart_Storm"]

The Cell is truely a revolution in gaming. It will literally change the landscape of gaming forever. I guarantee you that Microsoft and Nintendo are doing some heavy R&D on the Cell processor to learn about it, and incoporate some of its power into their next gen consoles.

The reason Sony sold the Cell plant to Toshiba is simple: it was expensive. Imagine how expensive it costs to produce such a cutting edge piece of technology? These things aren't cheap, you know. Now, Sony gets money from selling the factory, and they get to buy the Cell for really cheap, so they win either way. They get to use a piece of tehcnology that is used in the most advanced computers in the world, and they make money off of them!

The way the SPUs work in the Cell is revollutionary as well. It does things that have never been done before, and perhaps never will be done again. In fact, with the EDGE development tools, look to see the boundaries of what is possible in gaming stretched beyond anything you could possibly imagine- it is that powerful.

So, no Sony did not do something bad by selling the Cell to Toshiba, Kaz-San would never do anything that would be bad in the long run for Sony.

Mavrickkal

I know :lol: when he starts going on about it "doing things that have never been done before". Was it also developed by Miles Dyson at Skynet Corp? lol

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"][QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

and your proof that we will ever see the cell in action is

Mandingo101

yeah, maybe you should go play some PC games. Though you may find them underwhelming after playing all those ps3 games.

so your saying the cell is more advanced than all modern processors in terms of gaming?

marklarmer

Sorry, the latest C2Ds and Quad Core extreme wipe the floor with the cell in the ps3 in terms of gaming. In theory, shouldn't the cell be much much better at multi-threaded processes such as running an operating system and several different applications with its spe's? Nope because the spe's are so so limited on what they can do if you dont want to really slow everything down.

Trust me, if the cell was really what Sony initially hyped it to be, Intel would be rolling something similar out. But no instead, the new Nehalem will have 4 true cores, each with 2 hardware threads meaning that it can operate as 8 seperate cores meaning. We're not talking crappy little spe's we're talking full cpu's! Today's high end cpu's are leaps ahead of the cell.

DAZZER7

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

so your saying the cell is more advanced than all modern processors in terms of gaming?

Mandingo101

Sorry, the latest C2Ds and Quad Core extreme wipe the floor with the cell in the ps3 in terms of gaming. In theory, shouldn't the cell be much much better at multi-threaded processes such as running an operating system and several different applications with its spe's? Nope because the spe's are so so limited on what they can do if you dont want to really slow everything down.

Trust me, if the cell was really what Sony initially hyped it to be, Intel would be rolling something similar out. But no instead, the new Nehalem will have 4 true cores, each with 2 hardware threads meaning that it can operate as 8 seperate cores meaning. We're not talking crappy little spe's we're talking full cpu's! Today's high end cpu's are leaps ahead of the cell.

DAZZER7

until you show crysis running on the cell better than a quad core your ramblings are pointless.

yeah, maybe you should go play some PC games. Though you may find them underwhelming after playing all those ps3 games.

marklarmer

until you show crysis running on the cell better than a quad core your ramblings are pointless.

marklarmer

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Fart_Storm"]

The Cell is truely a revolution in gaming. It will literally change the landscape of gaming forever. I guarantee you that Microsoft and Nintendo are doing some heavy R&D on the Cell processor to learn about it, and incoporate some of its power into their next gen consoles.

The reason Sony sold the Cell plant to Toshiba is simple: it was expensive. Imagine how expensive it costs to produce such a cutting edge piece of technology? These things aren't cheap, you know. Now, Sony gets money from selling the factory, and they get to buy the Cell for really cheap, so they win either way. They get to use a piece of tehcnology that is used in the most advanced computers in the world, and they make money off of them!

The way the SPUs work in the Cell is revollutionary as well. It does things that have never been done before, and perhaps never will be done again. In fact, with the EDGE development tools, look to see the boundaries of what is possible in gaming stretched beyond anything you could possibly imagine- it is that powerful.

So, no Sony did not do something bad by selling the Cell to Toshiba, Kaz-San would never do anything that would be bad in the long run for Sony.

Fart_Storm

did you just post that somewhere else, and if the cell is so revolutionary why have we yet to see the results,the cell is a lie by sony to sell consoles

I could try to explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand. But just trust me- the Cell is a revolution in gaming, and it will change everything.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Oh geez. Please do explain your almighty wisdom to us.

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

until you show crysis running on the cell better than a quad core your ramblings are pointless.

Mandingo101

Actually, the Cell excels at floating point calculations. Calculations in gaming, however, are largely boolean and long calculations, which are handled in a completely different manner, meaning the Cell doesn't offer a significant advantage in that regard.

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"] [QUOTE="marklarmer"]

until you show crysis running on the cell better than a quad core your ramblings are pointless.

thepwninator

Actually, the Cell excels at floating point calculations. Calculations in gaming, however, are largely boolean and long calculations, which are handled in a completely different manner, meaning the Cell doesn't offer a significant advantage in that regard.

also, i think more importantly, the cell gets completely owned by most half-decent quad-core processors in all fields.

Actually, the Cell excels at floating point calculations. Calculations in gaming, however, are largely boolean and long calculations, which are handled in a completely different manner, meaning the Cell doesn't offer a significant advantage in that regard.

thepwninator

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="Mandingo101"] [QUOTE="marklarmer"]

until you show crysis running on the cell better than a quad core your ramblings are pointless.

marklarmer

Actually, the Cell excels at floating point calculations. Calculations in gaming, however, are largely boolean and long calculations, which are handled in a completely different manner, meaning the Cell doesn't offer a significant advantage in that regard.

also, i think more importantly, the cell gets completely owned by most half-decent quad-core processors in all fields.

And most decent dual-cores in most fields.

Microsoft remains a software company. They know already the hassles of developing for such an architecture. They will still rely on the familiarity of the x86-64 architecture to get more developers to create 360-PC multiplatform titles. It wouldn't make sense to switch to a drastic architecture.

XaosII

And its also expensive for AMD, Intel, and IBM to have these large fabrication plants, but neither of these companies have sold off there plants. In fact, most are expanding and creating new ones. It looks like these 3 guys can maintain these fabrication processes even with its expenses. Sony can't. Gee... i wonder why? Could it be a flop of a processor?
XaosII

AMD bleeds money on a regular basis...I'm not sure you want to use them as a comparison. The only information you can possibly derive from them outsourcing Cell fabbing is that directly fabbing isn't profitable for them. Are you going to claim that Nvidia makes flop GPU's because they don't fab them?

If by "revolutionary" and "never been done before" you mean nearly identical to the AGEIA PhysX PPU that was released several months Cell launched from the perspective of developers, then yes you would be correct.
XaosII

Im so glad you can confidently claim that the Cell will push gaming beyond anything i could possibly imagine. It seems rather odd that every title you listed further down does not look as good as Crysis does, hold as many concurrent players as nearly any PC MMO, or isnt nearly as flexible as most PC titles for content creation. But don't worry, i'll be waiting for the Cell to take my gaming experience beyond what i can imagine.... But it might just have to take it over what i already have right now on my PC to do that.
XaosII

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"][QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

and your proof that we will ever see the cell in action is

Mandingo101

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="Mandingo101"] [QUOTE="marklarmer"]

until you show crysis running on the cell better than a quad core your ramblings are pointless.

Mandingo101

Actually, the Cell excels at floating point calculations. Calculations in gaming, however, are largely boolean and long calculations, which are handled in a completely different manner, meaning the Cell doesn't offer a significant advantage in that regard.

you know you're comparing console games right? which are clearly not pushing the graphical boundaries in any way whatsoever. Most of which could be done on dual-core processors.

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

so your saying the cell is more advanced than all modern processors in terms of gaming?

Mandingo101

Sorry, the latest C2Ds and Quad Core extreme wipe the floor with the cell in the ps3 in terms of gaming. In theory, shouldn't the cell be much much better at multi-threaded processes such as running an operating system and several different applications with its spe's? Nope because the spe's are so so limited on what they can do if you dont want to really slow everything down.

Trust me, if the cell was really what Sony initially hyped it to be, Intel would be rolling something similar out. But no instead, the new Nehalem will have 4 true cores, each with 2 hardware threads meaning that it can operate as 8 seperate cores meaning. We're not talking crappy little spe's we're talking full cpu's! Today's high end cpu's are leaps ahead of the cell.

DAZZER7

You wiggle and squirm your way out of answering the tough questions and statements. Firstly, how can you determine what I do or do not know about processor architecture from my post?

Secondly, why do intel, nvidia, amd or ati not invest in this 'revolutionary technology that it teh cell?

Thirdly, why do most developers of the ps3 not even bother with the spe's?

Fourthly, why do so many games that come out on the PS3 run is sub-HD resolutiuon? Surely with the 'lightening speed' of the spe's to be able to 'offload' tasks from the cpu (not to mention the superfast xdr ram) surely this shouldn't be happening?

i think you need to do more research on cell, because you apparently have no understanding of it at all. ratchet does no multithreading, i believe insomniac said it was not worth it in one of their presentations. Mandingo101

Actually, the Cell excels at floating point calculations. Calculations in gaming, however, are largely boolean and long calculations, which are handled in a completely different manner, meaning the Cell doesn't offer a significant advantage in that regard.

thepwninator

until you show crysis running on the cell better than a quad core your ramblings are pointless.

marklarmer

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="Mandingo101"] [QUOTE="marklarmer"]

until you show crysis running on the cell better than a quad core your ramblings are pointless.

marklarmer

Actually, the Cell excels at floating point calculations. Calculations in gaming, however, are largely boolean and long calculations, which are handled in a completely different manner, meaning the Cell doesn't offer a significant advantage in that regard.

you know you're comparing console games right? which are clearly not pushing the graphical boundaries in any way whatsoever. Most of which could be done on dual-core processors.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"]

Actually, the Cell excels at floating point calculations. Calculations in gaming, however, are largely boolean and long calculations, which are handled in a completely different manner, meaning the Cell doesn't offer a significant advantage in that regard.

Teufelhuhn

Have you ever actually written a game before? Programmers use as few FP#'s as possible in order to provide for more efficient processing, better control over variables, better compatibility with most machine languages, the fact that they use less space in the processor's cache, etc.