To all those Unreal Engine haters...

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#1 longshotgir
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Dang, just look at the new Gears screens.UE3.5 is such an improvement. People complain UE games look like plastic, and to some extent they do, but Gears 2 changed all that. Man, metal looks like metal and flesh looks like..flesh (or meat :P). It no longer looks shiny, not at all, which leds us to a big, BIG improvement:

The new lighting engine. I CANT BELIEVE HOW MUCH IT IMPROVED. Gears 1 practically didnt even have lighting, either it was dark, or it was shiny. This one tho, looks marvelous. Just like a movie. I would honetly say it looks on par or better to that of KZ2's. More 'realistic'? maybe not, but thats not the approach they want, they were aiming for movie-like llighting, and daaaang they got it right!

Honestly, i cant believe people who say it doesnt look better than the first. Graphics king is a more subjective matter, so im not going into that (although it already looks like MY graphics king :D). I never really like a lot Gears 1's graphics. Yes, they were awesome, but i liked way more the artstyle. This my friends, is what i would call an improvement.

Good job Epic,wait scratch that, GREAT job.

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#2 Cyberfairy
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People should also stop complain about Unreal being only capable of producing "grey". Just look at Mirror's Edge for a second and your opinion will change.
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#3 el_rika
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I honestly don't see what's so good about those Gears 2 pics. The lighting is very fake, like the characters don't belong in the scene and the textures are low res and basically copy paste from any other UE3 engine game. Absolutely nothing to brag about.
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#4 Cyberfairy
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I honestly don't see what's so good about those Gears 2 pics. The lighting is very fake, like the characters don't belong in the scene and the textures are low res and basically copy paste from any other UE3 engine game. Absolutely nothing to brag about.el_rika

You have no idea about what you just said, do you? Low-res textures? Gears 1 was considered KING for it's sharp and detailed textures. Fake...lightning? Out of place characters? Is that the best you could come up with? Copy paste from other UE3-engine games? :lol:

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#5 longshotgir
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[QUOTE="el_rika"]I honestly don't see what's so good about those Gears 2 pics. The lighting is very fake, like the characters don't belong in the scene and the textures are low res and basically copy paste from any other UE3 engine game. Absolutely nothing to brag about.Cyberfairy

You have no idea about what you just said, do you? Low-res textures? Gears 1 was considered KING for it's sharp and detailed textures. Fake...lightning? Out of place characters? Is that the best you could come up with? Copy paste from other UE3-engine games? :lol:

That wasnt even funny :S

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#6 el_rika
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Ok, so look at this screen:

...let's be honest here, there's nothing amazing about it. Just a bunch of average textures, low resolution bump mapping, rudimentary lightning with some bloom thrown in and zero anisotropic (texture AA). It looks good, it gets the job done, but nothing more.

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#7 Phazevariance
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Then you compare it to any PS3 title and realize that the textures on this game alone are far better than PS3 games, and compares like nothing to what a PC game has.
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#8 longshotgir
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Ok, so look at this screen:

...let's be honest here, there's nothing amazing about it. Just a bunch of average textures, low resolution bump mapping, rudimentary lightning with some bloom thrown in and zero anisotropic (texture AA). It looks good, it gets the job done, but nothing more.

el_rika

Yet it looks better than %99.99 games on the market. Seriously, even though that is the worst screen of the new ones, it still looks awesome and console graphics king worthy. Besides, it's not like the whole game is gonna take place in that tiny hospital room..

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#9 jeffwulf
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[QUOTE="el_rika"]I honestly don't see what's so good about those Gears 2 pics. The lighting is very fake, like the characters don't belong in the scene and the textures are low res and basically copy paste from any other UE3 engine game. Absolutely nothing to brag about.Cyberfairy

You have no idea about what you just said, do you? Low-res textures? Gears 1 was considered KING for it's sharp and detailed textures. Fake...lightning? Out of place characters? Is that the best you could come up with? Copy paste from other UE3-engine games? :lol:

I believe you mean poor textures with unreasonable ammounts of mapping.

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#10 foxhound_fox
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The Unreal 3 engine for the most part does look poor compared to other modern game engines, especially since Anti-Aliaisng isn't standard.
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#11 Patatopan
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The Unreal engine is good when Epic uses it, since at its default it is made for games with a color palette and look as gears of war or unreal, but when other companies use it without somehow adjusting it for the setting of their game, it looks horrible. The engine could be good, only if it is correctly adjusted.
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#12 Patatopan
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Ok, so look at this screen:

...let's be honest here, there's nothing amazing about it. Just a bunch of average textures, low resolution bump mapping, rudimentary lightning with some bloom thrown in and zero anisotropic (texture AA). It looks good, it gets the job done, but nothing more.

el_rika

lol, the gun right there looks like Playstation 2 graphics.

You have to admit though, marcus' character model looks a lot better this time around.

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#13 longshotgir
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[QUOTE="el_rika"]

Ok, so look at this screen:

...let's be honest here, there's nothing amazing about it. Just a bunch of average textures, low resolution bump mapping, rudimentary lightning with some bloom thrown in and zero anisotropic (texture AA). It looks good, it gets the job done, but nothing more.

Patatopan

lol, the gun right there looks like Playstation 2 graphics.

You have to admit though, marcus' character model looks a lot better this time around.

PS2...Seriously? I think it looks amazing, and it has been stated the new build of the Lancer has more than 3 times the pelygons of that of the first game's Lancer...
I dare you to fin a better looking gun, both in a PS2 and PS3 game.. (although you will probably post a KZ gun :P)

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#14 Quadster
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i still don't get why people would put hate on ANY gaming engine, I find these people to be just silly!! "OMG This engine is Sooooooooo good, it tramples over your crappy engine" (What is this comparing code all of a sudden?) Get a freaking life!!
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#15 Panther501
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Unreal engine is cheap for devevolpers and gets the job done. As long as it sends out a great games with decent graphics I'm fine with it.
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#16 GearsHalo360
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Unreal engine produced Gears of War

UE3=WIN!!

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#17 spike6566
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Ok, so look at this screen:

...let's be honest here, there's nothing amazing about it. Just a bunch of average textures, low resolution bump mapping, rudimentary lightning with some bloom thrown in and zero anisotropic (texture AA). It looks good, it gets the job done, but nothing more.

el_rika
geow 2 is a first day buy for me no doubt. but i do agree with you. when i look at GEOW 2 pics, it just looks like GEOW 1 with different maps. the graphics look exactly the same. and i dont understand why ppl say GEOW does not have any low textures, even though the pics do show that the game has low texures. like i said , i love geow 1 and ill be buying geow 2. but since i am not a fanboy for for a particular console, geow 2 looks nice, but not something mind blowing. espeically when it looks like geow 1.
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#18 Sully28
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[QUOTE="Patatopan"][QUOTE="el_rika"]

Ok, so look at this screen:

...let's be honest here, there's nothing amazing about it. Just a bunch of average textures, low resolution bump mapping, rudimentary lightning with some bloom thrown in and zero anisotropic (texture AA). It looks good, it gets the job done, but nothing more.

longshotgir

lol, the gun right there looks like Playstation 2 graphics.

You have to admit though, marcus' character model looks a lot better this time around.

PS2...Seriously? I think it looks amazing, and it has been stated the new build of the Lancer has more than 3 times the pelygons of that of the first game's Lancer...
I dare you to fin a better looking gun, both in a PS2 and PS3 game.. (although you will probably post a KZ gun :P)

lol im glad you said that last sentence in parenthesis because KZ2 has some of the best weapon models i have seen in any game.(yes even better then crysis, they should have stuck with their pre-alpha model of the SCAR thats all im gonna say)

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#19 ReaperPlaya
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One thing I hate about it is that it takes a while for everything to load up, other than that, it looks great.
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#20 woobabooba
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unreal 2 engine games were more impressive for the first time seeing them than seeing unreal engine 3.0 games for the first time/playing them.
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#21 SolidTy
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I AM A SELF PROCLAIMED, Unreal Engine Hater.

I was at the Hilton last Week, arguing with the Hotel management staff about the Unreal Engine. When I got in the Taxi, I argued with him too, about the Unreal Engine, and how much it should be hated. Bussers, Waiters, Police Officers, Inmates, it doesn't end who I will argue with about that Awful and Hated, Unreal Engine.

I don't support McCain or Obama because, they support the Unreal Engine. I don't like this thread calling out my kind, the UNREAL ENGINE HATERS.

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#22 Couth_
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Unreal Engine sucks unless Epic themselves makes the game
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#23 Franko_3
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[QUOTE="el_rika"]

Ok, so look at this screen:

...let's be honest here, there's nothing amazing about it. Just a bunch of average textures, low resolution bump mapping, rudimentary lightning with some bloom thrown in and zero anisotropic (texture AA). It looks good, it gets the job done, but nothing more.

longshotgir

Yet it looks better than %99.99 games on the market. Seriously, even though that is the worst screen of the new ones, it still looks awesome and console graphics king worthy. Besides, it's not like the whole game is gonna take place in that tiny hospital room..

Ho please, it's just a tiny space and I can't even see wth he is shooting at lol. It's just something a little blurry grey thing. The engine is so limited that it blur anything.

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#24 FirstDiscovery
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I AM A SELF PROCLAIMED, Unreal Engine Hater.

I was at the Hilton last Week, arguing with the Hotel management staff about the Unreal Engine. When I got in the Taxi, I argued with him too, about the Unreal Engine, and how much it should be hated. Bussers, Waiters, Police Officers, Inmates, it doesn't end who I will argue with about that Awful and Hated, Unreal Engine.

I don't support McCain or Obama because, they support the Unreal Engine. I don't like this thread calling out my kind, the UNREAL ENGINE HATERS.

SolidTy
I lold:lol:
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#25 longshotgir
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[QUOTE="longshotgir"][QUOTE="el_rika"]

Ok, so look at this screen:

...let's be honest here, there's nothing amazing about it. Just a bunch of average textures, low resolution bump mapping, rudimentary lightning with some bloom thrown in and zero anisotropic (texture AA). It looks good, it gets the job done, but nothing more.

Franko_3

Yet it looks better than %99.99 games on the market. Seriously, even though that is the worst screen of the new ones, it still looks awesome and console graphics king worthy. Besides, it's not like the whole game is gonna take place in that tiny hospital room..

Ho please, it's just a tiny space and I can't even see wth he is shooting at lol. It's just something a little blurry grey thing. The engine is so limited that it blur anything.

Are you sure you don't need glasses? He is clearly shooting at some flammable barrels thing, there is absolutely no blur there...

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#26 Couth_
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Are you sure you don't need glasses? He is clearly shooting at some flammable barrels thing, there is absolutely no blur there...

longshotgir
I think he means the Locusts. you can't tell they are Locust. I will vouch for him. In the first Gears I shot at my teammates A LOT because I thought they were locusts :? hopefully it's not that bad in this one
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#27 too_much_eslim
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I hate the Unreal Engine
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#28 longshotgir
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[QUOTE="longshotgir"]

Are you sure you don't need glasses? He is clearly shooting at some flammable barrels thing, there is absolutely no blur there...

Couth_

I think he means the Locusts. you can't tell they are Locust. I will vouch for him. In the first Gears I shot at my teammates A LOT because I thought they were locusts :? hopefully it's not that bad in this one

well personally i never, ever had a problem distinguishing the characters, i could spot a theron guard and distinguish it from a theron elite from miles away with no trouble, really. But yeah, they may look similar, i cant tell because i played so much gears :P. But blur..Seriously, there is no blur there..

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#29 naruto7777
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yes the unreal engine is pritty good
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#30 agentzero23
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unreal 3 engine on non epic games look very similar except bioshock

gears 2 is an impovement but there are better engines out there

does anyone notice the models look scrachty

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#31 bigLLL
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still looks like shiny plastic to me
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#32 njean777
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unreal engine stinks come on developers make your own damn engines.
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#33 killerfist
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Unreal engine is not that bad

but yeah there are better ones. What's wrong with enjoying the games only? why are we arguing about engines.

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#34 Dystopian-X
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I won't bash the Unreal 3 engine since one of the best looking games this gen to me (Bioshock) was released on it , It looks stunning. Though as someone mentioned before the lack of AA option in it hurts it, so one likely has to force it if you want it using something.

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#35 jbisco25
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How can a game Engine be bad? it the people how design the game, and make the engine you should be giving the hate too.
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#36 anshul89
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UE3 is horrible imo, no AA = massive fail.
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#37 wile315
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[QUOTE="longshotgir"][QUOTE="el_rika"]

Ok, so look at this screen:

...let's be honest here, there's nothing amazing about it. Just a bunch of average textures, low resolution bump mapping, rudimentary lightning with some bloom thrown in and zero anisotropic (texture AA). It looks good, it gets the job done, but nothing more.

Franko_3

Yet it looks better than %99.99 games on the market. Seriously, even though that is the worst screen of the new ones, it still looks awesome and console graphics king worthy. Besides, it's not like the whole game is gonna take place in that tiny hospital room..

Ho please, it's just a tiny space and I can't even see wth he is shooting at lol. It's just something a little blurry grey thing. The engine is so limited that it blur anything.

That s the worst Gears 2 screen you can find, and Ive seen alot worse killzone 2 screens. And honestly, thats half a screen shot, its not even the complete picture.

screen shots only say so much, go look at some recent high quality gears 2 videos and tell me what you think then.

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#38 imprezawrx500
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i see only a few unreal 3 game that look good: gears, bioshock and mass effect, most of the unreal games look pretty average and have bad textures with loads of jaggies.

cryengine, cryengine 2, source and the stalker engine are all much better. Once of the main problems the unreal 3 engine has had is lack of physics. if farcry and hl2 in 2004 had pretty good physics why can't unreal 3 games?

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#39 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="el_rika"]

Ok, so look at this screen:

...let's be honest here, there's nothing amazing about it. Just a bunch of average textures, low resolution bump mapping, rudimentary lightning with some bloom thrown in and zero anisotropic (texture AA). It looks good, it gets the job done, but nothing more.

longshotgir

Yet it looks better than %99.99 games on the market. Seriously, even though that is the worst screen of the new ones, it still looks awesome and console graphics king worthy. Besides, it's not like the whole game is gonna take place in that tiny hospital room..

yet it hardly beat hl2 and farcry, let along farcry 2 and crysis and stalker are miles ahead

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#40 killzowned24
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not impressed at all, defintely looks like gears 1.5.
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#41 Nintendo_Ownes7
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I think id Tech 4 looks better and that was around before the Unreal Engine (I think correct me if I'm wrong.) and I think id Tech 5 looks alot better then Unreal Engine 3.
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#42 CreepyBacon
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[QUOTE="longshotgir"]

Yet it looks better than %99.99 games on the market. Seriously, even though that is the worst screen of the new ones, it still looks awesome and console graphics king worthy. Besides, it's not like the whole game is gonna take place in that tiny hospital room..

imprezawrx500

yet it hardly beat hl2 and farcry, let along farcry 2 and crysis and stalker are miles ahead

Was we playing the same HL2?

Fanboys.:roll:

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#43 mr_mozilla
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I know UE3 games look good, but for some reason I'm just no the biggest fan. Often the textures look somewhat blurred and have certain cartoony look to them. It could just be up to the developer, but in the games that I've played there is that certain distinctive UE3 look.
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#44 POJO_MOFO
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I think that UE3 is fine, the only gripe I have about it is that the more games that use it, the more games look the same. All the UE3 games have a similar look, which makes me appreciate the diversity of game engines when something new comes along
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#45 lesner87
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Ok, so look at this screen:

...let's be honest here, there's nothing amazing about it. Just a bunch of average textures, low resolution bump mapping, rudimentary lightning with some bloom thrown in and zero anisotropic (texture AA). It looks good, it gets the job done, but nothing more.

el_rika

lol you really think blind lemmings would ever listen to the facts ? I actually had one of my lemming frend over my house yesterday and i was playing Crysis on AF to show him what Anistropic actually means because he was the same guy claiming that Halo 3 was running on over 20x SUPER AF :D.And i was speechles :D.

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#46 WillieBeamish
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I laugh at fanboys who try to bash a game based on a still shot. As if the shot shows the AI, the animation, the surround sound, the story, or basically 90% of what makes the game great. And that screenshot looks better than 90% of anything on the PS3 despite it being hand picked to highlight its imperfections.