To all those who are wondering why the ps4 saves will not work on the ps5

ps4 games use zlib for compression format

ps5 games use kraken.

just like last of us on the ps3 saved games could not transfer over to the ps4

Naughty Dog would have to implement some feature to upload your PS3 save to their servers and then download a converted save on your PS4.

I rather have that 9 gigs though put with krekken than to have them use zlib that is 40% worse to compress data.

series x is using there same compression software as xbox one. which im not saying is a bad thing I'm just saying.

unless sony has a online converter from zlib to kraken.

how can we use a save data in a different format?

funny I'm not the tech guy in here but is the only one that figured it out.

so guys would you rather have that 9 gigs per sec on the ps5 or go back to the old zlib so we can use our save data for the few cross gen games? only the first wave of third party games and a few ps games do we need to worry about this. so who cares I want the 9 gigs per second

I pick the 9 gigs per second over saved games transfers.

funny how xbox fans see this as a bad thing because they rather have there save data cross over than to have more gigs per second though put.

because ssd speeds do not matter to them even though they praised how fast the series x was loading last gen games.

So is this just got cross gen games like I have Witcher 3 on PS4 and will upgrade it to the PS5 version. Or is it all PS4 saves even when still playing a PS4 game on the PS5?

EDIT: Did some searching and it seems PS4 saves will work on PS5 when playing a PS4 game. It's just the upgrades making those PS4 games actual PS5 games where save files will not work. Still pretty muddy. Probably won't be until we get the system in our hands that we actually know.

Thanks for the info. Now I can sleep soundly.

Did anyone actually wonder about that?

no just the upgraded ps5 games. ps4 saved game on the ssd will still be zlib format.

its just when you go from a ps4 saved game in zlib format going to a ps5 version that is in kraken format.

after this wave of cross gen games were third party drops last gen we will not need to worry about this.

yeah its much better knowing the reason was to have 9 gigs per second lol.

yeah every one why why why can't they. calling sony anti consumer over it. yet they wanted to improve there compression for us to get that 9 gigs per second.

Wow, Sony is a facking joke this gen.

@Telekill: must be game specific. I know cod is cross save from ps4 to pc.

No cross gen saves. No cross gen controllers. No upgrade path for Spiderman. No price for SSD expansion. No next gen exclusives at launch. No physical sightings. No Dolby Atmos. No Dolby vision. No free cloud saves.

This was September for ps5.

Good quality thread, kudos to MS then to making different compression technics work across gens. Maybe Sony should just use the superior bcpack instead of Kraken.

It really doesn't matter that much but can see why people are disappointed my biggest gripe is with 2k not allowing my player to carry over.

Wouldn't you just convert to the save data to kraken before using it? If PS5 can decode zlib compression (it can) then it can perform this conversion unless something is wildly missing from your explanation.

Thats all crap

If Sony wants it to work, it will work

@xantufrog: Impossible, the SSD is just too powerful for .zip. it could cause a rapture in space.

so finding a better way to compress data so the ps5 can have 9 gigs per second is a joke?

wow gamers now a days are the joke of this industry.

so more gigs per second is bad now? so better way to compress data is bad now?

is next gen bad now because there using ssd in there machines?

is next gen bad now because we can have more detailed assets stream in now?

so tell me would it be better to stick with the software zlib that is 40% worse to compress data so we can use our saved games?

which is only the first year of these consoles that will have cross gen games. after that there all made for next gen and we will still have that 9 gigs per second or 17 gigs using both krekken and Oodle Texture combined over series x 6 gigs per second.

but maybe people will realize the reason is compression to get 9 gigs per second and will not be disappointed.

fact is after this year there will be no more cross gen games we will still have that 9 gig per second moving forward.

maybe by then sony will have something on the store that converts these save data.

but i rather have the 9 gigs per second or 17 using Oodle Texture and krakken in the future titles.

@gifford38: I think it's pretty safe to assume that you have absolutely no clue of what you're saying. Right?

They could make it work. They do it for vita games.

What a load crap.

Sony could make it work they just cant be bothered.

So much for "for the gamers"

Idk mate, since PS4 games can be played on PS5 it does mean PS5 support previous gen format. Why can't the save data be unpacked and repacked as kraken? Is it some very weird technical stuff that some dont understand that you might need to explain more?

So how do you explain Spider Man Miles Morales having cross saves? Don't want t to be rude, just trying to understand. That's all. And do you guys think that the free upgrade will be optional? Like I can play the ps4 version or the ps5

its a shit show at sony!

meanwhile over at xbox its all hype,hype,hype

@gifford38 unless you can provide a link, I'm locking this. Near as I can tell you just made something up to damage control.

Very odd thing to be upset about.

Each to their own.

so why did going from a ps3 game to a ps4 game the saves did not carry over? same with last of us remaster on the ps4? ps3 saved last of us did not work either.

the only way it would work if sony had a converter on the ps5. to convert these game saves to the kreken format.

fact is xbox uses there own compression software that both xbox one and series x uses.

same reason the 360 game saves has to be on the cloud and not on the xbox one hdd.

how is this crap? how is getting better compression software to get it up to 9 gigs per second a bad thing?

you expect third party to create a converter for the ps5 with there games?

fact is sony is moving forward and now they got there data to 17 gigs per second with krakken and Oodle Texture.

so why is it bad to use new tech?

if sony wants it to work it will? maybe having 2 different software not working together? lets see because its a different software.

no fact is the i/o can decompress data not convert it.

it just sees the data and decompresses it.

the i/o is just a decompression block and tells were that data were to go.

Thank you Sony =D

@bluestars: I can't tell if you're serious or trolling, either way thanks for the laugh.

@gifford38: Do you have a source regarding Xbox One and Series using the same compression? And a source on why an 1980's PC can unzip files but the PS5 can't?

its obvious. same reason the ps3 saves did not work with last of us on the ps4.

xbox is using there's and using the same compression software as the xbox one and series x.

what else could it be? its the same as the past generations.

ps5 and ps4 are using two different formats to compress there data. how can the save game data recognize the zlib if it loading the krekken format from the ssd? it cant jump to that part of the game if the formats can recognize each other.

just like everything in the pc world in order for something to work on another format they need to convert it.

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/09/rumour_your_ps4_saves_may_not_work_on_all_upgraded_ps5_games

Let's hope Sony has come up with some sort of feature to convert a PS4 save into a PS5 one because this could quickly become a real problem.

very last sentence. the need to be able to convert it.

Miles Morales and borderlands 3 will have cross save. How you explain?

Omg block this trash!

unzip files is not converting files.

xbox always uses there own compression. it also works with pc. they improved it over the years and they just improved with better texture compression. forgot the name of it though.

@gifford38: I like how you just created a thread of made up stuff.

so i made up the fact that it was the same reason why ps3 games saves did not transfer over to ps4?

is this any different?

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/09/rumour_your_ps4_saves_may_not_work_on_all_upgraded_ps5_games#:~:text=Rumour%3A%20Your%20PS4%20Saves%20May%20Not%20Work%20on%20Upgraded%20PS5%20Games,-Backwards%20compatibility%20should&text=This%20situation%20seems%20to%20suggest,data%20into%20the%20next%20generation.

Let's hope Sony has come up with some sort of feature to convert a PS4 save into a PS5 one because this could quickly become a real problem.

very last sentence. why does sony need to make a feature to convert these files? because its different format.

how it this any different from previous gens?

@gifford38: You are talking about compression and then make an argument about conversion. And as a source you post an unsubstantiated opinion from another site that says nothing about you initial claims while providing no source.

LMAO!!!

yes 2 different compression needs to be converted. think about it. if the ps5 is loading in krekken format how is it going to see a zlib format. how is it going to know were in the game you are and the items you have etc. if its in two different formats?

like if the pc is looking for a certain file.

take a jpeg file to turn into a tiff file you need to convert it.

Can't is a strong word.

Let's go with: Sony doesn't think it is worth it to set up a system to convert them.

They didn't suddenly lose the algorithm for uncompressing zlib. What is PSN for if not providing network services????

I say not providing a way to convert is lame, especially given how much they are pushing bringing PS4 games over.

Why would you defend Sony's lack of initiative here? You either don't care, in which case you wouldn't make a thread; or you do care and you make the opposite thread. But here you are making a fanboy apology thread for a massive corp. Get some damn self-respect, or grow some balls and criticize your favorite company in the hopes they will get better.

lmao what? here comes the tech guy. so tell me what is wrong from what i said?

because there using a new format of compression. if one compresses one why and the other another way how can the save file know were you are in the game? how it it going to know what to load.

how is it going to work if the ps5 is loading in kreken at the same time it trys to recognize zlib formatted file?

Why are lems the only people making a big deal about the smallest stuff regarding Sony that they'll probably not even buy? Reminds me of a cow on here making "worry" threads about xbox.

@gifford38: I imagine it must be similar to having a .rar compressed within a .zip. Which is not the same of having s jpeg and converting into s tiff as there isn't a pre existing tiff within the jpeg.

But wtv, the reasons why Sony can't do cross saved is because their compression is just too powerful lmao!

An IO system cant convert, yet there a full blown CPU that gets ignored.

This thread is full of nonsense.

@gifford38: LMAO!!!

i know right. I could careless about my ps4 game saves because from here out I'm buying the games for the ps5.

@gifford38: You should report the creator of the thread. Oh wait!

then whats the purpose of this thread?

Its not an information forum.