To The Idiots who think Cows are complaining about the 9.3 Score on Gametrailers

Key word: First time on counsels. To you pc superman elitist think ofcounsels as your little brother, he can't can do everything but when he learn something new it's an achievements, Now, no one has fraps on a counsel before Halo 3 and since Halo 3 did it first on counsels it gets the prizedreman999

I play PC and consoles (handhelds too.)

I'm just of the opinion that bringing something like this from PC over to consoles doesn't make it innovative. Going across platforms doesn't change the fact that it's implementing something derivative; something borrowed from another game. Listing stuff like as an "original feature" of Halo, as if Halo invented it, is simply wrong. That's all I was saying.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]Key word: First time on counsels. To you pc superman elitist think ofcounsels as your little brother, he can't can do everything but when he learn something new it's an achievements, Now, no one has fraps on a counsel before Halo 3 and since Halo 3 did it first on counsels it gets the prizeVelocitas8

I play PC and consoles (handhelds too.)

I'm just of the opinion that bringing something like this from PC over to consoles doesn't make it innovative. Going across platforms doesn't change the fact that it's implementing something derivative; something borrowed from another game. Listing stuff like as an "original feature" of Halo, as if Halo invented it, is simply wrong. That's all I was saying.

You've missed the point entirely. It isn't about the video editor itself, it's about how easy and accessable it's been made. With Halo 3 you just go into any recent game just like that, without having to conciously start any recording, and you can take pictures without any other program, which is then automatically posted online for you and your friends to see. People seem to forget Halo 3isn't just rated really high because it's fun and accessable, but because it offers a huge array of community options for every piece of in game content, while still being cheap and user friendly.Vaasman

If that's the case, then you're aruging against something that I wasn't even contending.

Basically, the conversation went like this:

>Someone in the thread implies Halo is not derivative by implementing theater + forge features.

>I make the point that the above features are not really original to Halo, even if they're new to consoles.

>You bring up community and ease of use.

See? I'm not in disagreement with you.

Machinima mode. Do any other games on consoles have a feature like this?Cos if there aren't, then there's something UC2 can call its own.

I also find it interesting how the review completely neglected UC2's cinema mode.

Sorry if it was that way than nothing would be orginal, we would say movies did it first or I could do that in real life, or I can watch that on tv why play it in a game. Halo brought it to cousels first, they made a risk to do it. They get the mark. No one did on cousels tilll they did it.dreman999

That's an enormous leap of logic there partner.

See, the difference here is that the gaming functionality of PCs and consoles IS comparable. Now, real life and video games? Despite what Jack Thompson would have you believe: the similarities aren't really there.

U2 deserved AAA and got it. I dont see any problem in scoring. And every one knows that Halo is always over rated.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]Sorry if it was that way than nothing would be orginal, we would say movies did it first or I could do that in real life, or I can watch that on tv why play it in a game. Halo brought it to cousels first, they made a risk to do it. They get the mark. No one did on cousels tilll they did it.Velocitas8

That's an enormous leap of logic there partner.

See, the difference here is that the gaming functionality of PCs and consoles IS comparable. Real life and video games? Despite what Jack Thompson would have you believe: not so much.

It got a freakin 9.3...get over it:|killerfist

At this high a score, does it really matter what the criticisms were?

That not the point. I'm just saying, if what you're saying is true then the first person that took a camcord and record a gameplay with should own the rights to record and replay, Right?dreman999

How so? Recording gameplay with a camcorder is not a built-in game feature.

Quake 2 had it as a game feature.

Quake 3 had it as a game feature.

UT99 had it as a game feature.

UT2004 had it as a game feature.

Halo 3 had it as a game feature.

[QUOTE="dreman999"] That not the point. I'm just saying, if what you're saying is true then the first person that took a camcord and record a gameplay with should own the rights to record and replay, Right?Velocitas8

How so? Recording gameplay with a camcorder is not a built-in game feature.

Quake 2 had it as a game feature.

Quake 3 had it as a game feature.

UT99 had it as a game feature.

UT2004 had it as a game feature.

Halo 3 had it as a game feature.

Halo 3 did it first on counsels.dreman999

So?

The point was that it wasn't the first game to feature demo recording.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]You've missed the point entirely. It isn't about the video editor itself, it's about how easy and accessable it's been made. With Halo 3 you just go into any recent game just like that, without having to conciously start any recording, and you can take pictures without any other program, which is then automatically posted online for you and your friends to see. People seem to forget Halo 3isn't just rated really high because it's fun and accessable, but because it offers a huge array of community options for every piece of in game content, while still being cheap and user friendly.Velocitas8

If that's the case, then you're aruging against something that I wasn't even contending.

Basically, the conversation went like this:

>Someone in the thread implies Halo is not derivative by implementing theater + forge features.

>I make the point that the above features are not really original to Halo, even if they're new to consoles.

>You bring up community and ease of use.

See? I'm not in disagreement with you.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]Halo 3 did it first on counsels.Velocitas8

So?

The point was that it wasn't the first game to feature demo recording.

I would just like to add that unoriginality wasn't the only complaint I noticed. GT also mentions some stealth sections with hilariously terrible ai, and the game is linear enough to feel confining, so you have no room for experimenting of exploration.

[QUOTE="killerfist"]It got a freakin 9.3...get over it:|789shadow

At this high a score, does it really matter what the criticisms were?

wow this is like that incident with kannagi and how otakus were enraged for a completely unreasonable thingfunsohng

The bottom line though is that this means Halo 3 does something unique.Vaasman

It's unique in its simultaneous implementation of the mentioned features (particularly on a console) ..but that doesn't stop it from being a derivative game. The foundation and individual aspects of the game are nothing really new or unique within the genre, they're simply borrowed/improved upon. It's really just the combination of those elements that sets it apart and makes it "unique." Basically: it's not a clone in any sense of the word, but it isn't really groundbreaking or something completely new either. Most modern games are like this..

As for UC2: I'll reserve judgement until I've played it myself, but by looking at it as I do above, it'll probably be every bit as "unique" or "derivative" as Halo 3 is (it's a matter of perspective; fanboys just like to switch how they look at it at their convenience.)

Get over your self. Uncharted 2 has nothing new in IT. Its still a great game.

Halo=massive ai assiste, 2 gun hanlding system

halo 2= full online hub for a cousal game

halo 3= Game record and replay on a cousal fps, forge mode.

Gears =cover system

gear2=horde.

Holo odst....got an 8.9 their...wasn't original like they said and did not score as high as Uncharted 2.

Uncharted 2 got a great score. Stop whining. You fanboy's are messing up their site, I hope you boycott the site forever

dreman999

If Uncharted 2 has nothing new to it then those games you just listed are unoriginal as well. All the "new features" you listed were already done in PC gaming before Halo and Gears even came out. Dual-wielding...:roll:

People, People, everyone calm down it's only a game. I say everyone put a leash on their Xbox's and PS3s and take them for a walk. Maybe all of you can meet over coffee and afterwards go to an alley to rub some illicit Vicks VapoRub into your bellies and relax. I'd join ya but my GameCube is trained to attack and it would attack your systems.

So? Halo 3 did it first on counsels.dreman999

At least try to follow the conversation. Nobody said anything about "first on consoles."

The question was whether or not these features in Halo 3 are derivative, to which the answer is obviously "yes." They're derivative in the realm of gaming, and they're derivative even within the realm of online first-person shooters specifically.

Regardless of whether Halo 3 did demo recording and such on consoles first or not, it had been done before in other online first-person shooters...major ones, at that.

Get it? Okay.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]The bottom line though is that this means Halo 3 does something unique.Velocitas8

It's unique in its simultaneous implementation of the mentioned features (particularly on a console) ..but that doesn't stop it from being a derivative game. The foundation and individual aspects of the game are nothing really new or unique within the genre, they're simply borrowed/improved upon. It's really just the combination of those elements that sets it apart and makes it "unique." Basically: it's not a clone in any sense of the word, but it isn't really groundbreaking or something completely new either. Most modern games are like this..

As for UC2: I'll reserve judgement until I've played it myself, but by looking at it as I do above, it'll probably be every bit as "unique" or "derivative" as Halo 3 is (it's a matter of perspective; fanboys just like to switch how they look at it at their convenience.)

Well, only Cows would start a petition over it, when that happens, it is complete.

Oh wait, they already did. :lol:

[QUOTE="funsohng"]wow this is like that incident with kannagi and how otakus were enraged for a completely unreasonable thingdreman999

Well if you're going to be that rigid about it, UT2004 wasn't unique because it got the idea from normal video capturing software, which got the idea from normal video cameras, which got the idea from photography, which got the idea from paintings, which got the idea from looking at things with your eyeballs. Nothing will ever be 100% original, but your still allowed to bring something to the table that one ups your predecessors. This is something I feel U2 will not do, based on videos and listed features. And again not saying it will be bad, but it will be a copycat. I mean can anyone really argue that it isn't just Gears mixed with Tomb Raider, with a little Indiana Jones and Halo 3 video added in?Vaasman

Well, but then you're leaving the realm of gaming.

Not that I was really trying to make some profound point. I was just sort of rambling and and speaking my mind. Mainly what I was really saying is that I don't understand how fanboys can claim a somewhat run-of-the-mill online FPS like Halo 3 to be unqiue, but then turn around and say a game like Uncharted 2 isn't.

wow this is like that incident with kannagi and how otakus were enraged for a completely unreasonable thingfunsohng

i dont get itfunsohng

Not sun tanned, ganguro (oh god.)

Dragon Quest IX.

[QUOTE="funsohng"]wow this is like that incident with kannagi and how otakus were enraged for a completely unreasonable thingtehpiecemaker

Supposedly it's

[spoiler] implied she isn't a virgin in the manga [/spoiler]

Or some such. Otakus apparently rage'd about it, saying they wouldn't buy the TV series DVDs and all this stuff :lol:

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Well if you're going to be that rigid about it, UT2004 wasn't unique because it got the idea from normal video capturing software, which got the idea from normal video cameras, which got the idea from photography, which got the idea from paintings, which got the idea from looking at things with your eyeballs. Nothing will ever be 100% original, but your still allowed to bring something to the table that one ups your predecessors. This is something I feel U2 will not do, based on videos and listed features. And again not saying it will be bad, but it will be a copycat. I mean can anyone really argue that it isn't just Gears mixed with Tomb Raider, with a little Indiana Jones and Halo 3 video added in?Velocitas8

Well, but then you're leaving the realm of gaming.

Not that I was really trying to make some profound point. I was just sort of rambling and and speaking my mind. Mainly what I was really saying is that I don't understand how fanboys can claim a somewhat run-of-the-mill online FPS like Halo 3 to be unqiue, but then turn around and say a game like Uncharted 2 isn't.

Well, only Cows would start a petition over it, when that happens, it is complete.

Oh wait, they already did. :lol:

Blixxed

The TC claims it has nothing to do with the score? Bull. In the original post, the comparison is based on score.

Wow... so the score just isn't awesome enough? They're arguing over tenths of a point? There's just no pleasing anyone these days, is there?

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Well if you're going to be that rigid about it, UT2004 wasn't unique because it got the idea from normal video capturing software, which got the idea from normal video cameras, which got the idea from photography, which got the idea from paintings, which got the idea from looking at things with your eyeballs. Nothing will ever be 100% original, but your still allowed to bring something to the table that one ups your predecessors. This is something I feel U2 will not do, based on videos and listed features. And again not saying it will be bad, but it will be a copycat. I mean can anyone really argue that it isn't just Gears mixed with Tomb Raider, with a little Indiana Jones and Halo 3 video added in?Vaasman

Well, but then you're leaving the realm of gaming.

Not that I was really trying to make some profound point. I was just sort of rambling and and speaking my mind. Mainly what I was really saying is that I don't understand how fanboys can claim a somewhat run-of-the-mill online FPS like Halo 3 to be unqiue, but then turn around and say a game like Uncharted 2 isn't.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

Well, but then you're leaving the realm of gaming.

Not that I was really trying to make some profound point. I was just sort of rambling and and speaking my mind. Mainly what I was really saying is that I don't understand how fanboys can claim a somewhat run-of-the-mill online FPS like Halo 3 to be unqiue, but then turn around and say a game like Uncharted 2 isn't.

tehpiecemaker

[QUOTE="Blixxed"]

Well, only Cows would start a petition over it, when that happens, it is complete.

Oh wait, they already did. :lol:

VoodooHak

The TC claims it has nothing to do with the score? Bull. In the original post, the comparison is based on score.

Wow... so the score just isn't awesome enough? They're arguing over tenths of a point? There's just no pleasing anyone these days, is there?

[QUOTE="tehpiecemaker"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]I think the best thing I can say there is that Halo is by no means original, but still has a feel and gameplay thatis a definite "halo" feel. You couldn't replicate the experience completely by playing a different game. With uncharted you can, because it borrows it's gameplay completely from other popular titles. If Drake was huge and bulky I would swear I was just playing Gears with better graphics.

Vaasman