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#1 dercoo
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They had assassination like knife attacks in Killzone 1, if you played as luger.

Like this video demonstrates(skip to 2:20 to see knifing)

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#2 xYamatox
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But-but-but TC! Didn't you know Halo invented FPS?! It HAS to be copying Halo!

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#3 walkingdream
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They looked more like Melee Attacks to me.....

But anyways it has been said before netheir Halo or KZ invented assassinationsP so really it's a pointless argument. Bit like who Made jetpacks first

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#4 telefanatic
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No i was saying Halo Reach stole them from Killzone 1.

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#5 telefanatic
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They looked more like Melee Attacks to me.....walkingdream

Did you watch the whole thing ? When he got behind one of the Halghest and sliced his throat.

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#6 walkingdream
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No i was saying Halo Reach stole them from Killzone 1.

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Reach assassinations look sure different from Killzone ones
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#8 Fightingfan
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I hope assassination kills arn't like Commando pro. I also wonder if you can get shot by another player during the animation.
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#9 WilliamRLBaker
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all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

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#10 NoobisMaxcimus
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I haven't heard anyone saying that.

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#11 deactivated-5c8e4e07d5510
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I've never seen anybody say anything even close to that.
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#12 AAllxxjjnn
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Why don't we just keep going back and see which game first had kill animations.
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#13 dercoo
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People said that? Oh gee golly, I must have missed it. I hardly venture in the 'Killzone 3 will rape Halo Reach' or 'Reach will destroy Killzone 3' threads. There so dull.Racer_XLR

Understandable.

they said it along with the jetpack thing (which was in Killzone liberation, and handle completely differently)

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all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

WilliamRLBaker

Yup, and a long time ago, Wolfenstein had guns being shot in first person...then all of a sudden Doom had it...

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#15 Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

xYamatox

Yup, and a long time ago, Wolfenstein had guns being shot in first person...then all of a sudden Doom had it...

Same company so...
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#16 xYamatox
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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

Fightingfan

Yup, and a long time ago, Wolfenstein had guns being shot in first person...then all of a sudden Doom had it...

Same company so...

Same case for GG. Jetpacks and cinematic melee kills have been in Killzone before. Same company is putting them in Killzone 3.

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#17 Episode_Eve
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They had assassination like knife attacks in Killzone 1, if you played as luger.

Like this video demonstrates(skip to 2:20 to see knifing)

dercoo

Thank you. I've been looking for a video demonstration for awhile and couldn't find it :P.

Guerrilla said they wanted to revisit some designs in their previous games (including jetpacks). They should have brought back 4 playable characters :evil:! All who provide a different play sty|e. I haven't seen that in a shooter since (besides Clive Barker's Jericho, which wasn't too good hehe).

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#18 Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Yup, and a long time ago, Wolfenstein had guns being shot in first person...then all of a sudden Doom had it...

xYamatox

Same company so...

Same case for GG. Jetpacks and cinematic melee kills have been in Killzone before. Same company is putting them in Killzone 3.

He was saying Wolf to Doom. This is like saying Halo3 copied halo2.
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#19 ReaperV7
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never seen anyone saying killzone 3 stole from reach.
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#20 JStroud88
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Who cares? Pointless thread. Fanboyism is over-rated, be free!

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#21 dercoo
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

They had assassination like knife attacks in Killzone 1, if you played as luger.

Like this video demonstrates(skip to 2:20 to see knifing)

Episode_Eve

Thank you. I've been looking for a video demonstration for awhile and couldn't find it :P.

Guerrilla said they wanted to revisit some designs in their previous games (including jetpacks). They should have brought back 4 playable characters :evil:! All who provide a different play sty|e. I haven't seen that in a shooter since (besides Clive Barker's Jericho, which wasn't too good hehe).

I have been looking for a video of it too for awhile, just got lucky and found 1.

Also, I really whish they would bring back secondary fire. I loved it so.

Along with the flare gun sized grenade launcher. "He only has a pistol" boom.:lol:

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#22 Episode_Eve
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all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

WilliamRLBaker

About a month and a half after jetpacks and assassinations were first revealed in Halo Reach, KZ3 was announced. Do you think they implemented similar ideas in one month's time? If so, you're giving their programmers and artists too much credit :P.

Then again, maybe Geurrilla hired someone to infiltrate Bungie to see what they were doing, so that they could mimic their ideas :P :|.

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#23 xYamatox
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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Same company so...Fightingfan

Same case for GG. Jetpacks and cinematic melee kills have been in Killzone before. Same company is putting them in Killzone 3.

He was saying Wolf to Doom. This is like saying Halo3 copied halo2.

That's the point. People are trying to claim GG copied Halo with jetpacks and cinemtic melee kills (havn't heard much of this one, though), yet both of those have already been in Killzone since it's debute title.

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#24 ActicEdge
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This is probably a coincidence. The difference in time between announcements makes it hard for me to swallow that KZ3 was able to squeeze all that in just to steal from Reach.

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#25 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

They had assassination like knife attacks in Killzone 1, if you played as luger.

Like this video demonstrates(skip to 2:20 to see knifing)

dercoo

Thank you. I've been looking for a video demonstration for awhile and couldn't find it :P.

Guerrilla said they wanted to revisit some designs in their previous games (including jetpacks). They should have brought back 4 playable characters :evil:! All who provide a different play sty|e. I haven't seen that in a shooter since (besides Clive Barker's Jericho, which wasn't too good hehe).

I have been looking for a video of it too for awhile, just got lucky and found 1.

Also, I really whish they would bring back secondary fire. I loved it so.

Along with the flare gun sized grenade launcher. "He only has a pistol" boom.:lol:

I think you're referring to the Battle Pistol. It was great! I want them to bring the Squad Cannon back :). It was literally a mini portable tank cannon lol.

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#26 nervmeister
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all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

WilliamRLBaker
Way to miss (or ignore) the entire point of the thread.
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#27 SwagSurf
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

Episode_Eve

About a month and a half after jetpacks and assassinations were first revealed in Halo Reach, KZ3 was announced. Do you think they implemented similar ideas in one month's time? If so, you're giving their programmers and artists too much credit :P.

Then again, maybe Geurrilla hired someone to infiltrate Bungie to see what they were doing, so that they could mimic their ideas :P :|.

Users should really think before posting comments like that :(

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#28 bphan
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Don't forget KZ 3 copied jetpacks.

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#29 Twin-Blade
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all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

WilliamRLBaker

Bah! Nonesense! Everyone knows it's just a massive coincidence!

...Right guys?

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#30 ReaperV7
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

Twin-Blade

Bah! Nonesense! Everyone knows it's just a massive coincidence!

...Right guys?

killzone 1 had fancy melee kills. Killzone: liberation had jetpacks.
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#31 bphan
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Killzone was supposed to be the Halo Killer. but it didn't kill Halo at all.:P

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#32 xYamatox
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Killzone was supposed to be the Halo Killer. but it didn't kill Halo at all.:P

bphan

You're right, Modern Warfare did. Just look how that series turned out.

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#33 bphan
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[QUOTE="bphan"]

Killzone was supposed to be the Halo Killer. but it didn't kill Halo at all.:P

xYamatox

You're right, Modern Warfare did. Just look how that series turned out.

Well duh its on 3 platforms. Halo 3 sold more on xbox than MW2 on xbox. :D

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#34 dercoo
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]Thank you. I've been looking for a video demonstration for awhile and couldn't find it :P.

Guerrilla said they wanted to revisit some designs in their previous games (including jetpacks). They should have brought back 4 playable characters :evil:! All who provide a different play sty|e. I haven't seen that in a shooter since (besides Clive Barker's Jericho, which wasn't too good hehe).

Episode_Eve

I have been looking for a video of it too for awhile, just got lucky and found 1.

Also, I really whish they would bring back secondary fire. I loved it so.

Along with the flare gun sized grenade launcher. "He only has a pistol" boom.:lol:

I think you're referring to the Battle Pistol. It was great! I want them to bring the Squad Cannon back :). It was literally a mini portable tank cannon lol.

That was my favorite gun in Killzone 1, It was like a sniper rifle grenade launcher.

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Has anyone even said this? :? Are we countering claims that haven't even been made now? :P
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#36 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

xYamatox

Yup, and a long time ago, Wolfenstein had guns being shot in first person...then all of a sudden Doom had it...

except this isn't about who created its about the fact that halo reach showed fancy melee a while ago and jet packs then all of a sudden KZ3 has em...
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#37 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="bphan"]

Killzone was supposed to be the Halo Killer. but it didn't kill Halo at all.:P

bphan

You're right, Modern Warfare did. Just look how that series turned out.

Well duh its on 3 platforms. Halo 3 sold more on xbox than MW2 on xbox. :D

Halo 3 has been out for almost 3 years. MW2 is on pace to outsell it on 360 and its been less than a year. I think it's gonna be interesting to see which game sells more on 360 Halo Reach or Black Ops.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] About a month and a half after jetpacks and assassinations were first revealed in Halo Reach, KZ3 was announced. Do you think they implemented similar ideas in one month's time? If so, you're giving their programmers and artists too much credit :P.

Then again, maybe Geurrilla hired someone to infiltrate Bungie to see what they were doing, so that they could mimic their ideas :P :|.

Episode_Eve

no sorry jetpacks and melee were known...quite a while ago...
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

nervmeister

Way to miss (or ignore) the entire point of the thread.

I missed or ignored it? the point is...he said this had it. yet reach showed fancy fancy melee's and jetpacks then KZ3 has em...the melee attacks look quite simliar even. I was dealing with the point completely.

Edit: I edited for the fact they dont look exactly teh same but quite similiar.

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#39 navyguy21
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Lol, some people take this console "war" a bit too personal lol. Its just a game people!
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#40 Episode_Eve
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Has anyone even said this? :? Are we countering claims that haven't even been made now? :PNinja-Hippo
I'm in almost every Killzone discussion :P. Trust me when I say I've seen this claim several times.

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#41 SparkyProtocol
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I don't remember anyone saying that but OK...
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#42 xYamatox
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[QUOTE="bphan"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

You're right, Modern Warfare did. Just look how that series turned out.

Episode_Eve

Well duh its on 3 platforms. Halo 3 sold more on xbox than MW2 on xbox. :D

Halo 3 has been out for almost 3 years. MW2 is on pace to outsell it on 360 and its been less than a year. I think it's gonna be interesting to see which game sells more on 360 Halo Reach or Black Ops.

It's too bad, because Black Ops is assumed to have all the glitches and gameplay issues MW2 had for no reason other than it's a CoD game. That alone will have a huge impact on it's sales (which will still be incredible regardless).

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#43 njean777
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Wolfenstein 3d laid the frame for FPS halo and killzone copied it... :roll:

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Has anyone even said this? :? Are we countering claims that haven't even been made now? :PNinja-Hippo
This place is paranoid.
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#46 xYamatox
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Stop comparing KZ to Halo.

Its just wrong to compare a subpar game like KZ to a quality title like Halo.

Seriously its not right.

-Ninja_Dog-

Yeah, there's no way a sequel to 2009's GoTY for competative multiplayer and FPS of the year, beating out Halo ODST and Halo 3's Online, could POSSIBLY be as good as the Halo franchise, right? :roll:

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#47 bphan
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Stop comparing KZ to Halo.

Its just wrong to compare a subpar game like KZ to a quality title like Halo.

Seriously its not right.

-Ninja_Dog-

I agree 100%. I'm always left scratching my head when these two games are compared.

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#48 -Ninja_Dog-
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[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

Stop comparing KZ to Halo.

Its just wrong to compare a subpar game like KZ to a quality title like Halo.

Seriously its not right.

xYamatox

Yeah, there's no way a sequel to 2009's GoTY for competative multiplayer and FPS of the year, beating out Halo ODST and Halo 3's Online, could POSSIBLY be as good as the Halo franchise, right? :roll:

...please it was something different..it got that new car feeling, but after a week you realized it sucked.

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#49 nervmeister
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.the melee attacks look all most exactly the same even.WilliamRLBaker
Most lol-worthy statement of this thread. Most of Reach's stealth kills involve the player character jumping up on the enemy like a rabid chimpanzee or choke slamming him followed by a knife kill . I have yet to see a melee attack in KZ3 that even resembles that.
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#50 njean777
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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

Stop comparing KZ to Halo.

Its just wrong to compare a subpar game like KZ to a quality title like Halo.

Seriously its not right.

-Ninja_Dog-

Yeah, there's no way a sequel to 2009's GoTY for competative multiplayer and FPS of the year, beating out Halo ODST and Halo 3's Online, could POSSIBLY be as good as the Halo franchise, right? :roll:

...please it was something different..it got that new car feeling, but after a week you realized it sucked.

Tell that to COD, im sorry but halo is stale now. Cod is still fresh and so is Killzone.