To those who said Killzone 3 stole assassinations from Reach...

you misunderstand the assassination. in killzone one, it was just a melee kill with an animation. in halo, if you melee them in the back "backtap" then it is a one hit kill. you can still do this, but if you hold the button it triggers the animation, which is basically a more elegant teabag.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Right, but people buy it by the truckloads regardless. That alone proves that sales =/= how good a product really is (I mean, it should be common sense). If Gran Torismo sells more copies than Gears of War, does that make it a better game? No, no it doesn't.

xYamatox

Who said better sales = better game?

...have you not been reading ANY of the posts...? The only point that's been brought up in regard to Killzone being compared to Halo is that Killzone won't sell as much as Halo, therefore it's not as good.

Um the exact post you quoted said that Reach will be critically acclaimed and sell more than Killzone 3. Being critically acclaimed has nothing to do with sales.

you misunderstand the assassination. in killzone one, it was just a melee kill with an animation. in halo, if you melee them in the back "backtap" then it is a one hit kill. you can still do this, but if you hold the button it triggers the animation, which is basically a more elegant teabag.

lespaul1919

Awesome! :lol:

No one said that.:|

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

Who said better sales = better game?

Anjunaddict

...have you not been reading ANY of the posts...? The only point that's been brought up in regard to Killzone being compared to Halo is that Killzone won't sell as much as Halo, therefore it's not as good.

Um the exact post you quoted said that Reach will be critically acclaimed and sell more than Killzone 3. Being critically acclaimed has nothing to do with sales.

Unless there is a crystal ball to the future, I'm not sure how we can already know Reach will be more popular among reviewers. As for sales, by going by history alone, yeah, it might sell more. Also if we go by history alone, GG has been consistantly pushing out better, and better titles with each new installment released (KZ1: 6.9, KZL: 8.3, KZ2: 9), while Halo has only only declined over the years (CE: 9.7, Halo2: 9.4, Halo3: 9.5, ODST: 9 ).

Sales, as you have said yourself, don't determine the quality of a product, which leaves critic's opinion between the two null and void until they actually get to play the full retail version of both.

No one said that.:|

mitu123

Oh yes some have. There are some examples a few pages back actually.

And this is just stupid especially about jetpacks since Tribes has them and that was back in the late 90s.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

...have you not been reading ANY of the posts...? The only point that's been brought up in regard to Killzone being compared to Halo is that Killzone won't sell as much as Halo, therefore it's not as good.

xYamatox

Um the exact post you quoted said that Reach will be critically acclaimed and sell more than Killzone 3. Being critically acclaimed has nothing to do with sales.

Unless there is a crystal ball to the future, I'm not sure how we can already know Reach will be more popular among reviewers. As for sales, by going by history alone, yeah, it might sell more. Also if we go by history alone, GG has been consistantly pushing out better, and better titles with each new installment released (KZ1: 6.9, KZL: 8.3, KZ2: 9), while Halo has only only declined over the years (CE: 9.7, Halo2: 9.4, Halo3: 9.5, ODST: 9 ).

Sales, as you have said yourself, don't determine the quality of a product, which leaves critic's opinion between the two null and void until they actually get to play the full retail version of both.

True, i never made the claim, i just felt the need to correct people who assumed he said Reach would be better just because of sales.

No one said that.:|

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

No one said that.:|

Wanderer5

Oh yes some have. There are some examples a few pages back actually.

And this is just stupid especially about jetpacks since Tribes has them and that was back in the late 90s.

And Duke Nukem 3D had jetpacks before Tribes in the early-mid 90s.:o

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

No one said that.:|

FIipMode

There was a thread on that.

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

Um the exact post you quoted said that Reach will be critically acclaimed and sell more than Killzone 3. Being critically acclaimed has nothing to do with sales.

Anjunaddict

Unless there is a crystal ball to the future, I'm not sure how we can already know Reach will be more popular among reviewers. As for sales, by going by history alone, yeah, it might sell more. Also if we go by history alone, GG has been consistantly pushing out better, and better titles with each new installment released (KZ1: 6.9, KZL: 8.3, KZ2: 9), while Halo has only only declined over the years (CE: 9.7, Halo2: 9.4, Halo3: 9.5, ODST: 9 ).

Sales, as you have said yourself, don't determine the quality of a product, which leaves critic's opinion between the two null and void until they actually get to play the full retail version of both.

True, i never made the claim, i just felt the need to correct people who assumed he said Reach would be better just because of sales.

It sucks, because it seems impossible to like both. Obviously me having a Killzone avatar, people just assume I hate Halo, which is not true at all (heck, my Gamertagin my sig shows I played Halo in my previous top 5, lol).

I know Halo is a juggernaught console FPS, but to think (in general, not you) that Killzone isn't even in the same league as Halo as far as quality is just ridiculous.

except no one said that?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

svenus97

never seen anyone saying killzone 3 stole from reach.ReaperV7

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] no sorry jetpacks and melee were known...quite a while ago... [QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

WilliamRLBaker

I missed or ignored it? the point is...he said this had it. yet reach showed fancy fancy melee's and jetpacks then KZ3 has em...the melee attacks look quite simliar even. I was dealing with the point completely.

Edit: I edited for the fact they dont look exactly teh same but quite similiar.

Seriously guy? 2 members before the aforementioned quotes stated that Killzone 1 had "cinematic melee" kills and that Killzone Liberation had jetpacks yet you still go on about Killzone 3 copying Reach

Denial much?

except no one said that?

HailedJohnDman

except no one said that?

HailedJohnDman

except, people DID say that. Proof was previously provided, I guess.

Just a note, Assasinations and jetpacks were known atleast in feburary 2010 for halo reach, jetpacks and assasinations were shown in june.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="svenus97"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

Anjunaddict

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"][QUOTE="svenus97"] Assassinations - Killzone 1 Jetpacks - Killzone Liberation Ignorant lemming.svenus97

holy double post batman!

[QUOTE="ReaperV7"]never seen anyone saying killzone 3 stole from reach.SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

ReaperV7

Bah! Nonesense! Everyone knows it's just a massive coincidence!

...Right guys?

and tenchu has assinations!

neither are first so who gives a ****

No one is honestly saying that GG stole anything from Bungie in regards to game play. At least, no one with any credibility is. FPS have been around a long time, and almost every game mechanic we see today has been done before.

[QUOTE="ReaperV7"][QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

Bah! Nonesense! Everyone knows it's just a massive coincidence!

...Right guys?

savagetwinkie

and tenchu has assinations!

neither are first so who gives a ****

Unfortunately WilliamRLBaker does, but then again hes just trying to ignore the facts

all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

WilliamRLBaker

Wow, went to sleep and came back to my topic exploded.

Though I think it is funny many say "but people did not say that" even though on the first page some one does (well implies).

Also I boosted the viewer count of the vid by over 100.:lol:

Both games look great/my opinion. Their gameplay isn't even alike, but since they're both exclusive fps', they must be compared by system wars law I suppose...

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] Way to miss (or ignore) the entire point of the thread.AcidSoldner

I missed or ignored it? the point is...he said this had it. yet reach showed fancy fancy melee's and jetpacks then KZ3 has em...the melee attacks look quite simliar even. I was dealing with the point completely.

Edit: I edited for the fact they dont look exactly teh same but quite similiar.

Seriously guy? 2 members before the aforementioned quotes stated that Killzone 1 had "cinematic melee" kills and that Killzone Liberation had jetpacks yet you still go on about Killzone 3 copying Reach

Denial much?

^ Lol, that wasn't me who said "Way to miss (or ignore) the entire point of the thread". That was the great, nervmeister.

GS glitches often screws up quote chains and somehow, my name ended up replacing his in the code!

Anyways, I agree with nerv :P.

all we know now is sometime ago halo reach showed jet packs, and fancy melee kills...then all of a sudden KZ3 has it...

WilliamRLBaker

never seen this said.

but I guess that's what you bring on yourself. because the people offended could be found saying Halo copies tribes:roll: and all the Halo Reach bashing. 'it's just Halo 3 with jetpacks' and then all those people twisting it to claim the Halo fanbase thought Halo Reach invented them, just because they were hyped over them. and then Killzone 3 has them, and it's an OK-Awesome feature again:| love the double-standards around here.

what did you expect as a rebuttal exactly?

''Killzone 1 is superior to the whole Halo franchise'' :lol:

I can't believe what im reading. Who on earth said halo reach brought assassinations to the genre?lawlessx

WilliamRLBaker to name one person.

I can't believe what im reading. Who on earth said halo reach brought assassinations to the genre?lawlessx

yep, and the same thing goes for the creation of FPS, Jetpacks etc.

some people like to twist the words of what other people have said. like the post above me. I'm not seeing 'Halo Reach invented assassinations'

there's been assassination in the series since CE, and other games have had them before.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]I can't believe what im reading. Who on earth said halo reach brought assassinations to the genre?HavocV3

yep, and the same thing goes for the creation of FPS, Jetpacks etc.

some people like to twist the words of what other people have said. like the post above me. I'm not seeing 'Halo Reach invented assassinations'

there's been assassination in the series since CE, and other games have had them before.

I never twisted his words he clearly said KZ3 copied it from Reach you can't copy something from a game which copies it from other games.

they from god of war

they from god of war

Vader993