Tom's Hardware: System Builder Marathon, Q2 2014

By specs it's actually a little better than an HD 7850. The thing is, they didn't compare it to a 7850, they compared it to an r7 260X; which is weaker than an HD 7850. No magic needed.

You didn't prove me wrong there and no link.? lol

They say you can transfer your software but you have to give your product key and all that crap,so like i say one of your PC becomes inactive,and the windows you have is a multiple license windows dude up to 3 PC which is kind of different.

Oh did you forget you already say this...

""I had the same retail Windows XP (from 2001) across three different PCs.""

This is ^^ wrong unless you have multiple licenses or 2 of your PC are dead a bury since you can't have more than one PC working with 1 key.

Oh if it is OEM forget about it you simply can't.

And since your original argument was this..

""I'm using Windows 7 that I bought for my previous PC back in 2009. Now that I have a new PC, do I count the cost of Windows 7 still or not? If I have to count it, why must I count it twice?""

You bought a Windows for a PC that already have windows vista so you claim,and you claim you didn't use it,you still have to count it,because irrelevant of been for one computer (so you claim) or another you PAYED for it,MS didn't give you that copy of windows 7 free,so yeah you bough that on 2009 and use it on a latter PC you payed for it the end..

That link is from January mine is from March same source..

In the here and now, we're wondering whether we did achieve a truly transformative gameplay experience over PlayStation 4 and Xbox One? In a number of cases, we categorically did not. Need for Speed: Rivals boasts only minor refinements over the console versions and was pegged to the same 30fps, while Call of Duty: Ghosts is a genuinely poor experience on PC. With Assassin's Creed 4, we had a great deal of leeway in exploring higher-quality visual settings, but again, the feeling of the game was very similar. On Tomb Raider, we could beat the 1080p performance of the PS4 game, but only with careful settings management - and the disabling of the showcase TressFX technology.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-the-next-gen-digital-foundry-pc

And that was vs an R270 which is more powerful than a R260X which is basically a 14 CU 7790 refresh dude,the PS4 GPU is like an R265 not a 7790 refresh.

And judging by a new rushed ass game is a joke,BF4 was a rush job which even has problems on PC,NFS was basically the same on PC and PS4 i guess that proves the PS4 is as strong as a R270...roll eyes..

And proves that you don't you what your talking about the R260X is far from a mid range car is basically entry level,in this moment something like the 7950 is mid range maybe R270X.

Since when the 7850 has 18 CU an 1.84 TF,last time i check it was 16CU and 1.76TF,mind you that the 7790 has 14CU and 1.79TF yet loses to the 7850 performance wise because having extra computer units actually work better than just having an over clock,and the PS4 GPU has extra computer units over the 7850 dude.

Infamous look down right incredible and have some incredible particle effects and by DF the most impressive AA system they have seen on a platform,it just clean and crisp but yeah Infamous wasn't a rush job like BF4 was.

Oh and the 7850 beat the R260X.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1076?vs=1044

So yeah PS4>7850>r260X.

No he is a pirate because he claim MS doesn't deserve that money,already he try to pass no windows need it crap if people have it so yeah he is a freaking pirate,the whole $99 for windows 8 is juts added now,this is not the first leandro thread about PC and he always omit windows and try to imply that you don't need to pay for it...

Funny how you have miss those threads apparently..

Only digital foundry disagrees with you for nearly all games...

Consoles can do more with ram why not gpu? Skryim min req is 2gb ram and 512mb gpu. Thats for lowest settings which is worse than the 512mb consoles

you missing the point that PS4 has a severe undercloking and works more like a laptop with only 140W, PS4 is built with energy efficiency in mind because of the tiny case console gamers want

the 7850 alone uses 130W, the CPU on that budget build has another 65W, on this humble entry level PC everything is set for maximum performance

No they don't. They only find that games look and run better on some certain PC's, not all. There is no one set of hardware for PC's like there is for consoles, so there's not one set of capabilities for PC's like there is for consoles. Believe it or not, the fact remains that there are PC's out there that don't do as well as, say, the PS4. Therefore, it's just as accurate to say games look and run worse on PC as it is to say games look and run better.

first you have to remember that 1gb is for windows, windows is a full OS and consoles dont have that

yet the system requirements are always distorted, watchdogs and cod: ghosts require 6gb but only use 2gb of ram

despite the big windows ram usage skyrim can run on a system with only 1gb system ram, i think it uses about 300mb like most past gen console ports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pfSNyAmyBY

also skyrim does run on PCs with 256mb of video ram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imXWbkRh6Ys

I'm pretty sure he is trying to say that how a game performs is dependent on the hardware of the PC. Which is obvious and true.

Skyrim uses 1.1gb on my pc. I guess it tries to make do with less.

The fps were abysmal in both vids and I can only imagine how bad the hitching feels when actually playing.

No the PS4 is just 60mhz under the 7850 while still having 2 extra CU...

Case in point the 7790 is 1027mhz 14CU yet the 7850 is 860mhz 16 CU and the 7850 performs better period,irrelevant of running 200 mhz slower the 7850 still beat it because of the extra CU and extra stream processors.

The same apply to the PS4 which has 2 more CU and 128 stream processors more than the 7850.

The PS4 is more power efficient than those PC parts on their own dude,which is the reason for the lower TDP,still the PS4 has 1.84TF higher than the 7850 which is what matters.

Well, gee. The EULA I posted were from the EULAs of one copy of retail Windows 7 Home Premium and the other from an OEM version of Windows 7 Home Premium. They're the license.rtf files in C:\Windows\system32.

Here are the links for the online EULAs. You could pick either Windows standalone or bundled with a PC.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/UseTerms/default.aspx

As for the WIndows XP across three PCs, that should have read Windows XP across three* succeeding generations of PCs, the newer one replacing the older. That satisfied the requirement of the newest PC becoming the licensed PC.

The 2009 PC originally had Vista? No. The 2009 PC originally had the retail Windows 7 I'm using now on my current PC. The retail Vista I put on it was originally a mid-life upgrade on a 2005 PC (Athlon64 X2 4200+) that doesn't exist anymore.

The only WIndows 7 I bought that hasn't been installed on any PC is the 3-pack one.

* I have that same Windows XP Home license on the Athlon II X2 270 PC in my sig. So, that makes four generations although it's mainly for legacy stuff.

I hope that cleared it up.

Once again 1 PC per windows period and your link prove that as well,if your so call new machine has windows 7 which you had install in another machine that other machine can't use it,MS will detect it and will blacklist your serial on one of the PC.

And once again you payed for the Windows 7 so yeah in the end you PAYED for it.

Of course I paid for the Windows 7 license. I have no problems with that. My beef is why should I include its cost on my latest PC when it already has been included on my previous PC? If I bought an OEM version, sure. But, mine is the retail version.

Let's make one thing clear. I don't have multiple PCs that share the same Windows license. That's not the issue here. I tend to tie the cost of a retail Windows license with the original PC I bought it for. I don't include its cost on any subsequent PC I install that Windows license on because it would appear I bought a new Windows license when I didn't. Although some here won't like it. It's the accurate representation of my situation.

I don't think he knows that you can transfer a license.

But you should because even that you so call buy that windows for another PC,you didn't use it by your own word.

So yeah on 2009 to use it latter still you buy it.

And since the argument here is a new PC and what the cost of a new PC vs a console is it should,cutting corners in order to fake beating a console price wise is a joke.

Not every one has a windows that can be re use and the argument is a complete PC,which since the off shot you people fail to build,because you people leave the Blu-ray drive out because it dive up the price,you are cutting corners,since blu-ray is used for movies is the standard for HD movies,netflix and other online streamers don't have the quality in both sound or video,and since the whole point is doing what the console does it should be included.

Basically what you people try to do is build an average PC cutting stuff,this whole thread is based on a link which claims that you can build one by spending $619 dollars,even cutting windows off you still more than $500 and over what a PS4 cost.

Gotta love hermits that nitpick graphics and say console suck then they go play those crappy looking indie games etc that looks like games from the 80-90's...

I'm thinking the same as you. I'm not even sure what that drivel about Blu-Ray is.

look what you've done @gpuking: all this started with your thread, now hermits going into insanity mode!

Consoles really freaked them up, panic is intense!

spreadsheets all over the place and still no hermit game that looks better than the order 1886.

You checked the Webm's I PM"d you?

Don't worry about the last 4. She's over 18.

Someone's mad. lol

what? we don't even know what the order 1886 really looks like.

plus 30 fps

plus black bars

might as well play 3d studio max.

what if M$ discovered this magic that makes hardware more capable than it was before? they could just keep using kinect and not need to disable it to get mere 10% gpu boost

if console hardware optimization is real, why destroy the whole platform business model just to get 10% boost of hardware? just make 10% of optimization, something console fanboys might believe happens every 2 months

maybe M$ dont know how to optimize,

despite this games like crysis 1 2 3 look better on x360 than on ps3, and sony fanboys believe crysis 3 only runs on a ps3 due to massive magical optimization, not because of sub 720p, 25fps and lowest possible settings

in 2012 i built a 300 dollars PC (same price as 6yo ps3 back then) and it was 3x more powerfull than a ps3

it had a entry level gpu HD7750 $80

a $150 mid range r9270x already surpass ps4, next year maybe we will see a new-archtecture entry-level nvidia card surass ps4 for something like $110 with a entry level amd $50 cpu in a 300 dollars PC

Your link say $600+ get loss troll you loss..hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa