Too Human : SK prez must be on some bad meds.

Denis sounds like he is on some type of meds, that he shouldnt be taking. he really think oneconsole will bhe the way of the future?http://ps3.qj.net/Too-Human-producer-says-a-one-console-future-is-imminent-but-PCs-will-stay-out-of-it/pg/49/aid/100394

i found that odd to i just don't see that happening ever. with all the money that can be made in the video game industry there is no way anyone would let just one company reign supreme.-Renegade

i think he's right. soon every 5 years there will be a new standard machine that companies can make and be universal.

Hardware is going to reach its peak around 2010.

"Hardware differences will not only become less important, but lose their value altogether,"

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There's a little bit of truth to this.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]i found that odd to i just don't see that happening ever. with all the money that can be made in the video game industry there is no way anyone would let just one company reign supreme.Awinagainov

i think he's right. soon every 5 years there will be a new standard machine that companies can make and be universal.

That would be great for gamers, one universal system with the same specs just being made by different companies. They'll probably be add-ons to draw in more customers though.

It will come down to only one console and it will be marked with the Microsoft name.BioShockOwnz

I hope so, MS has made the best console ever (360). Other than the hardware issues there is little to complain about

It will come down to only one console and it will be marked with the Microsoft name.BioShockOwnz

dude just stop if it ends hope not.it will be either nintendo or sony both have their championship belts ps: ps1, ps2 nintendo:nes,snes, thats two each what does micro have.

It will come down to only one console and it will be marked with the Microsoft name.BioShockOwnz

As long as it doesnt have the hardware problems the 360 is having, im fine with that.

This was discussed awhile back, the unified console platform. The market is too small to be even more fragmented, increasing game development costs and making multiplatform games also increase costs will kill it or change it.

People have been saying this stuff for a long time. The oft rumored "set top box" that will be an all in one digital entertainment device for the whole family.

I don't see these big electronics companies getting together to play kissy face and agree on a standard. As long as they can make money on the hardware and licensing fees or even just the licensing fees then there will be competing systems.

People have been saying this stuff for a long time. The oft rumored "set top box" that will be an all in one digital entertainment device for the whole family.

I don't see these big electronics companies getting together to play kissy face and agree on a standard. As long as they can make money on the hardware and licensing fees or even just the licensing fees then there will be competing systems.

JiveT

That's the biggest problem of all. A standard platform would allow great competition. If you're not pleased with this service, you go to that one, if this software doesn't look as cute as you wish, you just dump it and load someone else's.

Companies like Microsoft and Sony wouldn't be able to compete in such dinamic competitive enviroment.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]It will come down to only one console and it will be marked with the Microsoft name.mgsbethatgame

dude just stop if it ends hope not.it will be either nintendo or sony both have their championship belts ps: ps1, ps2 nintendo:nes,snes, thats two each what does micro have.

Sony has the past. Microsoft has the future. Nintendo is on a roll. I can't predict where they'll be.

This is a horrible idea. If it happened, the cost of games will rise to $100 for each one. The cost of games have already started rising. With no competition, do you guys really think gaming will be cheaper? No, it'll be more expensive because you would have no other options or competition to drive down those prices.

And for all those arguing that the game industry was going to crash in the future, that's why Nintendo came out with the Wii: to change the way things are going and to allow devs not to spend as much money due to graphics. Who says Nintendo isn't saving the industry once more?

This is a horrible idea. If it happened, the cost of games will rise to $100 for each one. The cost of games have already started rising. With no competition, do you guys really think gaming will be cheaper? No, it'll be more expensive because you would have no other options or competition to drive down those prices.

And for all those arguing that the game industry was going to crash in the future, that's why Nintendo came out with the Wii: to change the way things are going and to allow devs not to spend as much money due to graphics. Who says Nintendo isn't saving the industry once more?

Zhengi

A. Unified format like teh PC, where Sony, Toshiba or whoever make consoles that are virtually the same (except for maybe larger HDDs, HD capability or cupholders) where every console no matter who sells it will be able to play any console game made from any game developer. Also PC gamers are still only $50 while their console counter parts have rose to $60, not to mention OoT was $70 when it first came out.

B. Sony also expanded the market with a convention game system, selling 70 million more than the N64 and about 50 million more than the SNES. Nintendo isn't necessarily saving gaming, they're expanding it to the more casual gamers.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

This is a horrible idea. If it happened, the cost of games will rise to $100 for each one. The cost of games have already started rising. With no competition, do you guys really think gaming will be cheaper? No, it'll be more expensive because you would have no other options or competition to drive down those prices.

And for all those arguing that the game industry was going to crash in the future, that's why Nintendo came out with the Wii: to change the way things are going and to allow devs not to spend as much money due to graphics. Who says Nintendo isn't saving the industry once more?

thirstychainsaw

A. Unified format like teh PC, where Sony, Toshiba or whoever make consoles that are virtually the same (except for maybe larger HDDs, HD capability or cupholders) where every console no matter who sells it will be able to play any console game made from any game developer.

B. Sony also expanded the market with a convention game system, selling 70 million more than the N64 and about 50 million more than the SNES.

A. Except that is more idealistic than reality. Are you saying those companies are willing to give up licensing rights and the multi-billions that come with that? Just look at Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD. Everyone was telling the companies to come to a compromise and share the wealth, but look at where we are today. So this unified format is impossible.

B. And not surprisingly, Nintendo is expanding the market once again with their Wii. It's the fastest selling console so far including the PS1 and PS2.

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

This is a horrible idea. If it happened, the cost of games will rise to $100 for each one. The cost of games have already started rising. With no competition, do you guys really think gaming will be cheaper? No, it'll be more expensive because you would have no other options or competition to drive down those prices.

And for all those arguing that the game industry was going to crash in the future, that's why Nintendo came out with the Wii: to change the way things are going and to allow devs not to spend as much money due to graphics. Who says Nintendo isn't saving the industry once more?

Zhengi

A. Unified format like teh PC, where Sony, Toshiba or whoever make consoles that are virtually the same (except for maybe larger HDDs, HD capability or cupholders) where every console no matter who sells it will be able to play any console game made from any game developer.

B. Sony also expanded the market with a convention game system, selling 70 million more than the N64 and about 50 million more than the SNES.

A. Except that is more idealistic than reality. Are you saying those companies are willing to give up licensing rights and the multi-billions that come with that? Just look at Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD. Everyone was telling the companies to come to a compromise and share the wealth, but look at where we are today. So this unified format is impossible.

B. And not surprisingly, Nintendo is expanding the market once again with their Wii. It's the fastest selling console so far including the PS1 and PS2.

A. Gaming companies (Sony + Microsoft) are losing money (billions) on hardware anyway, but the fact is they probably wouldn't collaborate on anything.

B. It is true the Wii is outselling everything, but its still a long way off from the popularity of the PS2 and noted its two competitors are priced hundreds of dollars above a Wii.

i found that odd to i just don't see that happening ever. with all the money that can be made in the video game industry there is no way anyone would let just one company reign supreme.-Renegade

There is definitely lots of money to made in the video game industry...in games. Not in consoles.

This is a horrible idea. If it happened, the cost of games will rise to $100 for each one. The cost of games have already started rising. With no competition, do you guys really think gaming will be cheaper? No, it'll be more expensive because you would have no other options or competition to drive down those prices.

And for all those arguing that the game industry was going to crash in the future, that's why Nintendo came out with the Wii: to change the way things are going and to allow devs not to spend as much money due to graphics. Who says Nintendo isn't saving the industry once more?

Zhengi

Take for example the DVD market. Every DVD player can play any DVD software, yet there's real competition among manufacturers and DVD players ranging from the most different price ranges and qualities.

Or the cell phone market, where any cell phone can use any carrier, so there's competition between services.

PC is a lousy example, it's not standarized by monopolized. It's the same thing that happens in consoles, you can't actually change platform(Windows in this case) because your software won't work anywhere else. So you're locked. The console market is a Triopoly.

Stardardization allow more competition not less, you go to whomever provides you better service, or cheapest, or whatever you're looking for.

A. Gaming companies (Sony + Microsoft) are losing money (billions) on hardware anyway, but the fact is they probably wouldn't collaborate on anything.

B. It is true the Wii is outselling everything, but its still a long way off from the popularity of the PS2 and noted its two competitors are priced hundreds of dollars above a Wii.

thirstychainsaw

A. Right, and both of them know that if they come out the winner, the billions they lose is nothing compared to what they can gain. So what makes any of us think that these companies will come together for a unified platform when they are willing to lose billions to become the only one standing?

B. And is that the Wii's fault? If that is an advantage, then it's an advantage. No one ever cried foul when the PS2 released a year earlier than the Xbox and GC and stole all the momentm. The Wii definitely has more to prove, but it's on its way.

the only reason PC gaming fits this profile is because it started out this way....and though its more open now, then before....it was still an "open" platform 10 years ago.

its way to late for this to happen to console gaming.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

This is a horrible idea. If it happened, the cost of games will rise to $100 for each one. The cost of games have already started rising. With no competition, do you guys really think gaming will be cheaper? No, it'll be more expensive because you would have no other options or competition to drive down those prices.

And for all those arguing that the game industry was going to crash in the future, that's why Nintendo came out with the Wii: to change the way things are going and to allow devs not to spend as much money due to graphics. Who says Nintendo isn't saving the industry once more?

lordxymor

Take for example the DVD market. Every DVD player can play any DVD software, yet there's real competition among manufacturers and DVD players ranging from the most different price ranges and qualities.

Or the cell phone market, where any cell phone can use any carrier, so there's competition between services.

PC is a lousy example, it's not standarized by monopolized. It's the same thing that happens in consoles, you can't actually change platform(Windows in this case) because your software won't work anywhere else. So you're locked. The console market is a Triopoly.

Stardardization allow more competition not less, you go to whomever provides you better service, or cheapest, or whatever you're looking for.

I addressed DVDs earlier on. Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD is the reason why this would never work.

Also, the cell phone market is not as unified as you think it is. Verizon, T-Mobile, Cingular, and Sprint do not allow you to use the cell phone you bought with them with another carrier. The only way you can get a phone that uses any carrier is if you specifically go and buy one. Otherwise, the services don't provide you that cell phone that can be used with other carriers.

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]A. Gaming companies (Sony + Microsoft) are losing money (billions) on hardware anyway, but the fact is they probably wouldn't collaborate on anything.

B. It is true the Wii is outselling everything, but its still a long way off from the popularity of the PS2 and noted its two competitors are priced hundreds of dollars above a Wii.

Zhengi

A. Right, and both of them know that if they come out the winner, the billions they lose is nothing compared to what they can gain. So what makes any of us think that these companies will come together for a unified platform when they are willing to lose billions to become the only one standing?

B. And is that the Wii's fault? If that is an advantage, then it's an advantage. No one ever cried foul when the PS2 released a year earlier than the Xbox and GC and stole all the momentm. The Wii definitely has more to prove, but it's on its way.

You really think Microsoft or Sony will reign supreme in this generation? If anything, one will barely surpass the other. Every developer will have to spend millions and months porting every game they make to both platforms.

What's more likely is Wii low development costs and huge userbase takes over both.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]A. Gaming companies (Sony + Microsoft) are losing money (billions) on hardware anyway, but the fact is they probably wouldn't collaborate on anything.

B. It is true the Wii is outselling everything, but its still a long way off from the popularity of the PS2 and noted its two competitors are priced hundreds of dollars above a Wii.

lordxymor

A. Right, and both of them know that if they come out the winner, the billions they lose is nothing compared to what they can gain. So what makes any of us think that these companies will come together for a unified platform when they are willing to lose billions to become the only one standing?

B. And is that the Wii's fault? If that is an advantage, then it's an advantage. No one ever cried foul when the PS2 released a year earlier than the Xbox and GC and stole all the momentm. The Wii definitely has more to prove, but it's on its way.

You really think Microsoft or Sony will reign supreme in this generation? If anything, one will barely surpass the other. Every developer will have to spend millions and months porting every game they make to both platforms.

What's more likely is Wii low development costs and huge userbase takes over both.

I didn't say either MS or Sony would win. I said that that is what they want and the reason why they're willing to lose billions. IMO, I think the Wii will win this gen.

[QUOTE="mgsbethatgame"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]It will come down to only one console and it will be marked with the Microsoft name.BioShockOwnz

dude just stop if it ends hope not.it will be either nintendo or sony both have their championship belts ps: ps1, ps2 nintendo:nes,snes, thats two each what does micro have.

Sony has the past. Microsoft has the future. Nintendo is on a roll. I can't predict where they'll be.

Microsoft has no future at the moment. No more then 12 million consoles sold in 2 years is abysmal, the PS3 is at about6 million if not 7 now, and the Wii has surpassed the 360 or will by the end of this month. Microsoft has no future if they cannot gain a market share that is more then their previous console even after 2 years and being out first on the market. Nintendo has the biggest opportunity as a gaming company to take over if the Wii brings them a lot more success. Anaylsts predict that the Wii is going to sell at least as many consoles as the PS2 in less time.

[QUOTE="lordxymor"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

This is a horrible idea. If it happened, the cost of games will rise to $100 for each one. The cost of games have already started rising. With no competition, do you guys really think gaming will be cheaper? No, it'll be more expensive because you would have no other options or competition to drive down those prices.

And for all those arguing that the game industry was going to crash in the future, that's why Nintendo came out with the Wii: to change the way things are going and to allow devs not to spend as much money due to graphics. Who says Nintendo isn't saving the industry once more?

Zhengi

Take for example the DVD market. Every DVD player can play any DVD software, yet there's real competition among manufacturers and DVD players ranging from the most different price ranges and qualities.

Or the cell phone market, where any cell phone can use any carrier, so there's competition between services.

PC is a lousy example, it's not standarized by monopolized. It's the same thing that happens in consoles, you can't actually change platform(Windows in this case) because your software won't work anywhere else. So you're locked. The console market is a Triopoly.

Stardardization allow more competition not less, you go to whomever provides you better service, or cheapest, or whatever you're looking for.

I addressed DVDs earlier on. Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD is the reason why this would never work.

Also, the cell phone market is not as unified as you think it is. Verizon, T-Mobile, Cingular, and Sprint do not allow you to use the cell phone you bought with them with another carrier. The only way you can get a phone that uses any carrier is if you specifically go and buy one. Otherwise, the services don't provide you that cell phone that can be used with other carriers.

And Blu-ray vs HD-DVD split is preventing the adoption of HDMedia. If there was one standard, the only thing holding back the market would be price, which goes down with manufacturers competition. Proof that unification is possible is the DVD itself. Compare the first 10 years of the DVD life with the 10 year projections for Blu-ray and HD-DVD in case the war continues. A unified standard not only is possible, it's the best solution.

Cell phones are artificilly locked to carriers because they subside the device cost, it's a contract you sign, but only using this provider you get x ammount off the phone price. It would be a good solution for the gaming market, not the best, but better than the current system.

Ok, Web Browsers. You can view any website with any web browser, shop from any store and do anything in the browser that fits best your needs.

It will come down to only one console and it will be marked with the Microsoft name.BioShockOwnz

Then that will be truly the end of video gaming as we know it.

This was discussed awhile back, the unified console platform. The market is too small to be even more fragmented, increasing game development costs and making multiplatform games also increase costs will kill it or change it.

lordxymor

omg your sig is going to give me a seizure :(

It will come down to only one console and it will be marked with the Microsoft name.BioShockOwnz

and in that day, humanity will be sad. because they know, that after monopolizing their second industry, MS will be aiming at monopolizing... well, everything?

[QUOTE="mgsbethatgame"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]It will come down to only one console and it will be marked with the Microsoft name.BioShockOwnz

dude just stop if it ends hope not.it will be either nintendo or sony both have their championship belts ps: ps1, ps2 nintendo:nes,snes, thats two each what does micro have.

Sony has the past. Microsoft has the future. Nintendo is on a roll. I can't predict where they'll be.

Sony has the future. Microsoft has the present. Nintendo is on a roll. I can't predict where they'll be.*

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This is a horrible idea. If it happened, the cost of games will rise to $100 for each one. The cost of games have already started rising. With no competition, do you guys really think gaming will be cheaper? No, it'll be more expensive because you would have no other options or competition to drive down those prices.

And for all those arguing that the game industry was going to crash in the future, that's why Nintendo came out with the Wii: to change the way things are going and to allow devs not to spend as much money due to graphics. Who says Nintendo isn't saving the industry once more?

Zhengi

Don't even try to use logic with a bunch of fanboys,they will never understand.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]i found that odd to i just don't see that happening ever. with all the money that can be made in the video game industry there is no way anyone would let just one company reign supreme.swamprat_basic

There is definitely lots of money to made in the video game industry...in games. Not in consoles.

i think nintendo would disagree with that considering they make money off hardware... actually all three of the big companies would disagree with that. i think you guys are forgetting one big thing.. if you want your game on any particular console you must pay licences fees to make that happen.. so yeah alot of money is basically made from the hardware.. if you have no hardware there is no software that can be made for it..

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="lordxymor"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

This is a horrible idea. If it happened, the cost of games will rise to $100 for each one. The cost of games have already started rising. With no competition, do you guys really think gaming will be cheaper? No, it'll be more expensive because you would have no other options or competition to drive down those prices.

And for all those arguing that the game industry was going to crash in the future, that's why Nintendo came out with the Wii: to change the way things are going and to allow devs not to spend as much money due to graphics. Who says Nintendo isn't saving the industry once more?

lordxymor

Take for example the DVD market. Every DVD player can play any DVD software, yet there's real competition among manufacturers and DVD players ranging from the most different price ranges and qualities.

Or the cell phone market, where any cell phone can use any carrier, so there's competition between services.

PC is a lousy example, it's not standarized by monopolized. It's the same thing that happens in consoles, you can't actually change platform(Windows in this case) because your software won't work anywhere else. So you're locked. The console market is a Triopoly.

Stardardization allow more competition not less, you go to whomever provides you better service, or cheapest, or whatever you're looking for.

I addressed DVDs earlier on. Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD is the reason why this would never work.

Also, the cell phone market is not as unified as you think it is. Verizon, T-Mobile, Cingular, and Sprint do not allow you to use the cell phone you bought with them with another carrier. The only way you can get a phone that uses any carrier is if you specifically go and buy one. Otherwise, the services don't provide you that cell phone that can be used with other carriers.

And Blu-ray vs HD-DVD split is preventing the adoption of HDMedia. If there was one standard, the only thing holding back the market would be price, which goes down with manufacturers competition. Proof that unification is possible is the DVD itself. Compare the first 10 years of the DVD life with the 10 year projections for Blu-ray and HD-DVD in case the war continues. A unified standard not only is possible, it's the best solution.

Cell phones are artificilly locked to carriers because they subside the device cost, it's a contract you sign, but only using this provider you get x ammount off the phone price. It would be a good solution for the gaming market, not the best, but better than the current system.

Ok, Web Browsers. You can view any website with any web browser, shop from any store and do anything in the browser that fits best your needs.

I just want to say that I back everything you've said thus far. It's been absolutely spot on.

People need to realize that if basic standards were adopted for consoles, it would increase competition, not decrease it. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo would be free to make their own versions so long as they supported the agreed specs- if you want to add more and create more of a premium product, you could do that. Want to create the ultra-barebones system? That works too. And since you're all using the same specs, prices will go down because of increase in supply in the items used to create the system. The competition in terms of games would also drastically increase, as it would lower development cost and would allow for more types of games since developers can be assured that their games will reach 100% of consumers at no additional cost.

The only people who oppose this either don't understand the concept thoroughly or are just massive fanboys to one company, which proves how sad they are.

[QUOTE="lordxymor"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

I addressed DVDs earlier on. Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD is the reason why this would never work.

Also, the cell phone market is not as unified as you think it is. Verizon, T-Mobile, Cingular, and Sprint do not allow you to use the cell phone you bought with them with another carrier. The only way you can get a phone that uses any carrier is if you specifically go and buy one. Otherwise, the services don't provide you that cell phone that can be used with other carriers.

Vampyronight

And Blu-ray vs HD-DVD split is preventing the adoption of HDMedia. If there was one standard, the only thing holding back the market would be price, which goes down with manufacturers competition. Proof that unification is possible is the DVD itself. Compare the first 10 years of the DVD life with the 10 year projections for Blu-ray and HD-DVD in case the war continues. A unified standard not only is possible, it's the best solution.

Cell phones are artificilly locked to carriers because they subside the device cost, it's a contract you sign, but only using this provider you get x ammount off the phone price. It would be a good solution for the gaming market, not the best, but better than the current system.

Ok, Web Browsers. You can view any website with any web browser, shop from any store and do anything in the browser that fits best your needs.

I just want to say that I back everything you've said thus far. It's been absolutely spot on.

People need to realize that if basic standards were adopted for consoles, it would increase competition, not decrease it. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo would be free to make their own versions so long as they supported the agreed specs- if you want to add more and create more of a premium product, you could do that. Want to create the ultra-barebones system? That works too. And since you're all using the same specs, prices will go down because of increase in supply in the items used to create the system. The competition in terms of games would also drastically increase, as it would lower development cost and would allow for more types of games since developers can be assured that their games will reach 100% of consumers at no additional cost.

The only people who oppose this either don't understand the concept thoroughly or are just massive fanboys to one company, which proves how sad they are.

then it would basically be pc gaming and most games would be made with the lowest system spec in mind... there is no need for it to be like this when pcs basically do this... i think another thing you guys are forgetting is that it would also be alot easier to create illegal software if there were just oneformat standard..

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"][QUOTE="lordxymor"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

I addressed DVDs earlier on. Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD is the reason why this would never work.

Also, the cell phone market is not as unified as you think it is. Verizon, T-Mobile, Cingular, and Sprint do not allow you to use the cell phone you bought with them with another carrier. The only way you can get a phone that uses any carrier is if you specifically go and buy one. Otherwise, the services don't provide you that cell phone that can be used with other carriers.

-Renegade

And Blu-ray vs HD-DVD split is preventing the adoption of HDMedia. If there was one standard, the only thing holding back the market would be price, which goes down with manufacturers competition. Proof that unification is possible is the DVD itself. Compare the first 10 years of the DVD life with the 10 year projections for Blu-ray and HD-DVD in case the war continues. A unified standard not only is possible, it's the best solution.

Cell phones are artificilly locked to carriers because they subside the device cost, it's a contract you sign, but only using this provider you get x ammount off the phone price. It would be a good solution for the gaming market, not the best, but better than the current system.

Ok, Web Browsers. You can view any website with any web browser, shop from any store and do anything in the browser that fits best your needs.

I just want to say that I back everything you've said thus far. It's been absolutely spot on.

People need to realize that if basic standards were adopted for consoles, it would increase competition, not decrease it. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo would be free to make their own versions so long as they supported the agreed specs- if you want to add more and create more of a premium product, you could do that. Want to create the ultra-barebones system? That works too. And since you're all using the same specs, prices will go down because of increase in supply in the items used to create the system. The competition in terms of games would also drastically increase, as it would lower development cost and would allow for more types of games since developers can be assured that their games will reach 100% of consumers at no additional cost.

The only people who oppose this either don't understand the concept thoroughly or are just massive fanboys to one company, which proves how sad they are.

then it would basically be pc gaming and most games would be made with the lowest system spec in mind... there is no need for it to be like this when pcs basically do this... i think another thing you guys are forgetting is that it would also be alot easier to create illegal software if there were just oneformat standard..

With one format, developing would be less costly, which could be repassed to game prices, also there wouldn't be licesing fees, so game prices would go down even more, and smaller price equals less piracy. Nothing stops copy protection from being added(like it already is in all console games and 95% of all PC games) to the standard. But neither copy protection nor multiple formats significantly reduce piracy.

It will come down to only one console and it will be marked with the Microsoft name.BioShockOwnz