Too Human will be better than Diablo 3 and its arachic gameplay.

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#1 blitzkid1
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Too Human is, for the uninitiated, an action RPG. If that description conjures up memories of Diablo 2 (or stirs the still-warm excitement surrounding the announcement of Diablo 3), that's good - and bad. For Diablo. Because whilst the basic concept is the same (cruise around the place, carving up bad guys, claiming epic loot and advancing the story), the combat is very, very different. In Diablo, the combat was that which enabled all the looting. Click, click, click... you get the idea. Not much to it. Click on a dude over and over (click and hold was the major enhancement that Diablo 2 brought to the table), then when everything's dead, gather up the loot. I'm not ragging on Diablo - don't get me wrong, it's one of the greatest games ever made and is still installed on my PC to this day. What i'm instead hinting at is that there's much, much more that can be done to this "loot enabling" mechanic of combat.

http://nzgamer.com/x360/previews/633/too-human-hands-on.html

Just read this article and see why.

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#2 TMontana1004
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My one reason, Diablo has no story.
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#3 GUNpoint_
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this thread is a complete failure.
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#4 ice144
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Oh.

My.

God.

This won't end well for you, at all my friend.

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#5 carlisledavid79
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I know which id rather play.

(hint) it ends in a 3

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#6 thepwninator
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Y'know, I was going to post this, but I then realized it would be too controversial and I would get flamed to death for it. I also would've put "Diablo 2" in the OP instead of Diablo 3.

You, sir, have balls of steel!

And so does the writer of that article (as he wrote the OP, for all intents and purposes).

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#7 Mongo-Boss
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Oh.

My.

God.

This won't end well for you, at all my friend.

ice144
I can already here them coming :o
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#8 blitzkid1
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I know which id rather play.

(hint) it ends in a 3

carlisledavid79

Too Human is a trilogy sooo.

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#9 iamsickofspam
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Im buying both, but im expecting more from Diablo 3 as Diablo 2 is one of my favourite games.

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Too Human is, for the uninitiated, an action RPG. If that description conjures up memories of Diablo 2 (or stirs the still-warm excitement surrounding the announcement of Diablo 3), that's good - and bad. For Diablo. Because whilst the basic concept is the same (cruise around the place, carving up bad guys, claiming epic loot and advancing the story), the combat is very, very different. In Diablo, the combat was that which enabled all the looting. Click, click, click... you get the idea. Not much to it. Click on a dude over and over (click and hold was the major enhancement that Diablo 2 brought to the table), then when everything's dead, gather up the loot. I'm not ragging on Diablo - don't get me wrong, it's one of the greatest games ever made and is still installed on my PC to this day. What i'm instead hinting at is that there's much, much more that can be done to this "loot enabling" mechanic of combat.

http://nzgamer.com/x360/previews/633/too-human-hands-on.html

Just read this article and see why.

blitzkid1

oh em gee...ewwwwww you actually LIKE too human? well whatever its your opinion but IMO Diablo3 will be one of the greatest games ever

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#11 ice144
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Wait a minute now...after reading this...how is this bad for Diablo?

Diablo is the one with the gameplay that is fundamentally good and addicting to everyone who has played it...not Too Human.

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#12 TMontana1004
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Diablo reminds me too much of Runescape. Fun, addictive, and deep, yet no story, and horrid, boring gameplay.
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*Looks at watch* Welp, yup. It is the evening. Time for 10 blitzkid threads before the nights over.

He'll probably make another thread in 45 minutes that says, "Ok I was wrong about D3". :roll:

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Well from what I've seen Diablo 3 is going to much more skill oriented. It will still involve killing your mouse (obviously) but Blizzard has added a new skills hotbar and using a variety of different skills in each fight will be a much bigger focus this time around.

That isn't to say that it will be any better than the fighting in Too Human, but even if Too Human turns out to be better than Diablo (won't happen) I'll still be playing Diablo. And yes that is because I am a fanboy of the franchise.

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#15 GUNpoint_
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*Looks at watch* Welp, yup. It is the evening. Time for 10 blitzkid threads before the nights over.

He'll probably make another thread in 45 minutes that says, "Ok I was wrong about D3". :roll:

carljohnson3456
:lol:... Win.
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#16 vicmackey39
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Jesus Blitzkid

Jesus H Christ

*Looks at watch* Welp, yup. It is the evening. Time for 10 blitzkid threads before the nights over.

He'll probably make another thread in 45 minutes that says, "Ok I was wrong about D3". :roll:

carljohnson3456

lmao

another classic post for carl johnson

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*Looks at watch* Welp, yup. It is the evening. Time for 10 blitzkid threads before the nights over.

He'll probably make another thread in 45 minutes that says, "Ok I was wrong about D3". :roll:

carljohnson3456

say what ?

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#18 ukillwegrill
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Lol actaully i agree, Diablo gameplay had become kinda stale (still great) and it's lack of anything storywise is kinda a big blow, but Too Human is un-proven ir could flop like Killzone
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#19 nicenator
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I can see this thread getting bumped in August...
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#20 Pinkyimp
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Wait a minute now...after reading this...how is this bad for Diablo?

Diablo is the one with the gameplay that is fundamentally good and addicting to everyone who has played it...not Too Human.

ice144

right it has gameplay that any can get into but depth enough for provide a challange..

Also.. too human and D3 are 2 totally different games..how can you compair them sure they both say RPG but that dosent matter..ones isometric and the other is a 3d action game..im glad diablo went back to its roots instead of pulling a fallout3 if you have ever played D1-2 people where find with it kind of gameplay

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#21 foxhound_fox
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I wonder which one people will be playing a decade from now?
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#22 Kez1984
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Doubt-full, but we will see I guess.
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#23 carljohnson3456
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Jesus Blitzkid

Jesus H Christ

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

*Looks at watch* Welp, yup. It is the evening. Time for 10 blitzkid threads before the nights over.

He'll probably make another thread in 45 minutes that says, "Ok I was wrong about D3". :roll:

vicmackey39

lmao

another classic post for carl johnson

*Bows*

Thank you, thank you.

*Buried in roses thrown from audience*

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Just click click click? :roll: great way to simplify it. or didnt you watch the Diablo III gameplay at all?

Its more like World of Warcraft, many abilities, tank/heal/support roles, less focus on potion spam.

What does Too human have? pointlessly flashy graphics.

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#25 piercetruth34
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Too Human is going to be good and I'm going to enjoy it. Being on a console it will be really cool as well and the graphics will be nice. Let's just say it's the best console dungeon crawl/rpg in a while. That said youa re talking about Blizzard and Diablo 3 the king of kings and it's not going to be as good.
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My one reason, Diablo has no story.TMontana1004
Incorrect. Very, very incorrect. Diablo has a great story with the lore to boot. As far as the topic goes, I think it's a stretch to call Diablo 3's gameplay archaic. People need to have more faith in Blizzard. They haven't let us down in a long, long time. That being said, I'm looking forward to both games (though Diablo 3 more).
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Just click click click? :roll: great way to simplify it. or didnt you watch the Diablo III gameplay at all?

Its more like World of Warcraft, many abilities, tank/heal/support roles, less focus on potion spam.

What does Too human have? pointlessly flashy graphics.

PC360Wii

or maybe once you equip those materials and then go click,click,click.

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Just click click click? :roll: great way to simplify it. or didnt you watch the Diablo III gameplay at all?

Its more like World of Warcraft, many abilities, tank/heal/support roles, less focus on potion spam.

What does Too human have? pointlessly flashy graphics.

blitzkid1

or maybe once you equip those materials and then go click,click,click.

And in too human all you press is X X X X to attack :roll:

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#29 blitzkid1
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[QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

Jesus Blitzkid

Jesus H Christ

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

*Looks at watch* Welp, yup. It is the evening. Time for 10 blitzkid threads before the nights over.

He'll probably make another thread in 45 minutes that says, "Ok I was wrong about D3". :roll:

carljohnson3456

lmao

another classic post for carl johnson

*Bows*

Thank you, thank you.

*Buried in roses thrown from audience*

i hope those roses have poisonous thorns.dont flatter yourself.

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#30 thepwninator
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[QUOTE="blitzkid1"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

Just click click click? :roll: great way to simplify it. or didnt you watch the Diablo III gameplay at all?

Its more like World of Warcraft, many abilities, tank/heal/support roles, less focus on potion spam.

What does Too human have? pointlessly flashy graphics.

PC360Wii

or maybe once you equip those materials and then go click,click,click.

And in too human all you press is X X X X to attack :roll:

Really? When did this change happen?

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#31 blitzkid1
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[QUOTE="blitzkid1"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

Just click click click? :roll: great way to simplify it. or didnt you watch the Diablo III gameplay at all?

Its more like World of Warcraft, many abilities, tank/heal/support roles, less focus on potion spam.

What does Too human have? pointlessly flashy graphics.

PC360Wii

or maybe once you equip those materials and then go click,click,click.

And in too human all you press is X X X X to attack :roll:

Shows how much you know about the game you dont even use buttons for attacks.

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#32 Hewkii
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i hope those roses have poisonous thorns.dont flatter yourself.

blitzkid1

judging by your avatar, you'd have a fair amount of experience with thorns.

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#33 blitzkid1
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[QUOTE="blitzkid1"]

i hope those roses have poisonous thorns.dont flatter yourself.

Hewkii

judging by your avatar, you'd have a fair amount of experience with thorns.

ha,ha,ha,NO! You should be a comedian.

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#34 PC360Wii
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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="blitzkid1"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

Just click click click? :roll: great way to simplify it. or didnt you watch the Diablo III gameplay at all?

Its more like World of Warcraft, many abilities, tank/heal/support roles, less focus on potion spam.

What does Too human have? pointlessly flashy graphics.

blitzkid1

or maybe once you equip those materials and then go click,click,click.

And in too human all you press is X X X X to attack :roll:

Shows how much you know about the game you dont even use buttons for attacks.

Doesnt matter, exactly the same concept. bash your way through, no different from clicking, either way your just hacking and slashing.

Reading through the mechanics, "Dashing/using jump abilities" ect is exactly what was shown in diablo 3.

Im not saying Too human looks bad, but I dont see how Diablo III is effected slightly by this, most games hand on preivews always bum love up until release.

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#35 unknowndrk
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:lol: just wow. Diablo 3 will eviscerate that mediocre too human. I own a 360 and I already know too human will be an average title. Diablo 3 at minimum I think will get an 8.5 so Diablo 3 will destroy too human in every way. thread=fail and you just made lemmings look terrible this this topic.
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#36 vicmackey39
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*Bows*

Thank you, thank you.

*Buried in roses thrown from audience*

carljohnson3456

Well deserved. But we're getting distracted from laughing at Too Human

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#37 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

Jesus Blitzkid

Jesus H Christ

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

*Looks at watch* Welp, yup. It is the evening. Time for 10 blitzkid threads before the nights over.

He'll probably make another thread in 45 minutes that says, "Ok I was wrong about D3". :roll:

blitzkid1

lmao

another classic post for carl johnson

*Bows*

Thank you, thank you.

*Buried in roses thrown from audience*

i hope those roses have poisonous thorns.dont flatter yourself.

lol Wow, weak.

You must work for Cheetos because that comeback was DANGEROUSLY CHEESAY!!!

Ziiiiiiiiiiing!!!!

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#38 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

*Bows*

Thank you, thank you.

*Buried in roses thrown from audience*

vicmackey39

Well deserved. But we're getting distracted from laughing at Too Human

lol You're right. Back to the topic!

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#39 Pinkyimp
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[QUOTE="blitzkid1"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

Jesus Blitzkid

Jesus H Christ

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

*Looks at watch* Welp, yup. It is the evening. Time for 10 blitzkid threads before the nights over.

He'll probably make another thread in 45 minutes that says, "Ok I was wrong about D3". :roll:

carljohnson3456

lmao

another classic post for carl johnson

*Bows*

Thank you, thank you.

*Buried in roses thrown from audience*

i hope those roses have poisonous thorns.dont flatter yourself.

lol Wow, weak.

You must work for Cheetos because that comeback was DANGEROUSLY CHEESAY!!!

Ziiiiiiiiiiing!!!!

ha it was hilarious because im eating cheetos right now...lol

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#40 blitzkid1
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[QUOTE="blitzkid1"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="blitzkid1"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

Just click click click? :roll: great way to simplify it. or didnt you watch the Diablo III gameplay at all?

Its more like World of Warcraft, many abilities, tank/heal/support roles, less focus on potion spam.

What does Too human have? pointlessly flashy graphics.

PC360Wii

or maybe once you equip those materials and then go click,click,click.

And in too human all you press is X X X X to attack :roll:

Shows how much you know about the game you dont even use buttons for attacks.

Doesnt matter, exactly the same concept. bash your way through, no different from clicking, either way your just hacking and slashing.

Reading through the mechanics, "Dashing/using jump abilities" ect is exactly what was shown in diablo 3.

Im not saying Too human looks bad, but I dont see how Diablo III is effected slightly by this, most games hand on preivews always bum love up until release.

Still wrong the berserker is the only class that is a hack and slash,Combat for the melee guys (which is where the focus of the game is) is handled in a very unique way - most of your attack will be dictated by your movements of the right stick. Press it towards the guy you want to attack and if you're in melee range, you'll start swinging. If you're not but the enemy is still not too far away, you'll slide towards them at great speed and attack.Ranged combat, which non-ranged classes can engage in - albeit no where near as effectively - is handled with the triggers. If you have pistols equipped, each is controlled individually by the left and right triggers. If you've got a rifle-type weapon equipped, right trigger fires the main gun and left trigger will fire the alternative fire of that weapon (typically a grenade). Whilst firing (holding the trigger(s)), moving the right stick will switch targets, allowing you to handle the masses of enemies you encounter with almost as much grace as a melee character. Ranged characters can still engage in melee combat but they are definitely most effective when gunning down hordes of enemies from afar.

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just thinking about diablo 3 vs too human makes me think of that music in Mass effect when you die hahaha. I can see too human falling down in slow motion.
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#42 blitzkid1
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[QUOTE="blitzkid1"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

Jesus Blitzkid

Jesus H Christ

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

*Looks at watch* Welp, yup. It is the evening. Time for 10 blitzkid threads before the nights over.

He'll probably make another thread in 45 minutes that says, "Ok I was wrong about D3". :roll:

carljohnson3456

lmao

another classic post for carl johnson

*Bows*

Thank you, thank you.

*Buried in roses thrown from audience*

i hope those roses have poisonous thorns.dont flatter yourself.

lol Wow, weak.

You must work for Cheetos because that comeback was DANGEROUSLY CHEESAY!!!

Ziiiiiiiiiiing!!!!

That was corny , and you said mines was weak, LAME.

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#43 PC360Wii
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"Too Human is unique and in a class of its own" according to one of the developers, then how come it looks near identical to Hellgate:London?
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from the latest coverage I can surmise that the cutscenes are even dumber than I originally thought, the game is ten hours long, you can take out enemies from afar using the pistols, the hit detection is worse than an MMO and The graphics look like a five year old PC game

OMG HAWT!!!!!111

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#45 ice144
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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="blitzkid1"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="blitzkid1"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

Just click click click? :roll: great way to simplify it. or didnt you watch the Diablo III gameplay at all?

Its more like World of Warcraft, many abilities, tank/heal/support roles, less focus on potion spam.

What does Too human have? pointlessly flashy graphics.

blitzkid1

or maybe once you equip those materials and then go click,click,click.

And in too human all you press is X X X X to attack :roll:

Shows how much you know about the game you dont even use buttons for attacks.

Doesnt matter, exactly the same concept. bash your way through, no different from clicking, either way your just hacking and slashing.

Reading through the mechanics, "Dashing/using jump abilities" ect is exactly what was shown in diablo 3.

Im not saying Too human looks bad, but I dont see how Diablo III is effected slightly by this, most games hand on preivews always bum love up until release.

Still wrong the berserker is the only class that is a hack and slash,Combat for the melee guys (which is where the focus of the game is) is handled in a very unique way - most of your attack will be dictated by your movements of the right stick. Press it towards the guy you want to attack and if you're in melee range, you'll start swinging. If you're not but the enemy is still not too far away, you'll slide towards them at great speed and attack.Ranged combat, which non-ranged classes can engage in - albeit no where near as effectively - is handled with the triggers. If you have pistols equipped, each is controlled individually by the left and right triggers. If you've got a rifle-type weapon equipped, right trigger fires the main gun and left trigger will fire the alternative fire of that weapon (typically a grenade). Whilst firing (holding the trigger(s)), moving the right stick will switch targets, allowing you to handle the masses of enemies you encounter with almost as much grace as a melee character. Ranged characters can still engage in melee combat but they are definitely most effective when gunning down hordes of enemies from afar.

So basically...you took the time to research one game, but not the other one in your argument?

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#46 cobrax75
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this is one of those threads thats gonna get bumped once Too Human comes out and gets its A score...you just know it.
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#47 thepwninator
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"Too Human is unique and in a class of its own" according to one of the developers, then how come it looks near identical to Hellgate:London? PC360Wii

The similarities between these two games are often pounced upon by those raring to bash Too Human. However, the argument that Too Human will be mediocre because Hellgate: London was is highly fallacious for more than a few reasons.

First and foremost amongst these are the implied reasons that Hellgate: London was less than stellar. Those taking potshots at Too Human in this manner imply that Hellgate was bad because it did not get the Diablo formula right. However, Hellgate was, for all intents and purposes, only consistently criticized for two things: horrid bugs and randomized dungeons. * Indeed, the gameplay was praised across the board, most especially the RPG aspects of it. Thus, if Too Human lacks these problems and produces no others, it can be assumed that it will, indeed, be a very good game.

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Second, even if Hellgate were mediocre due to its gameplay itself, Too Human is different enough to merit not lumping the two together. First, its combat is very different, and, though it lacks the depth of, for example, Ninja Gaiden's combat system, it has far more depth than that of the point-and-click and hack'n'slash of Hellgate and even Diablo, complete with juggling a la Devil May Cry alongside smooth transitions between melee and ranged combat. This is complemented by the loot-gathering and skill-building aspect of the game rather than overshadowed by them, as was the case in Diablo and Hellgate. For example, if you were to choose to go down the Cybernetic rather than Human skill tree, your weapons would grant you special combat abilities (known as ruiners, which are powerful offensive spells) that vary by weapon (including radius, intensity, direction, and elemental properties) that are utilized in a manner that would not have been available to you had you gone down the Human path. Another such example is the way in which the numerous kinds of melee and ranged weapons are used. In Diablo, axes, swords, spears, etc. were, for all intents and purposes, the same. One might have given you a bit more reach, another may have been consistently faster, and another may normally do more damage, but, outside of the stats themselves, there was little real difference between the weapon types. In Too Human, however, there are three major weapon types each for ranged and melee attacks, each of which has three basic permutations under which all other weapons fall (e.g. the cannon group has laser, plasma, and slug types), each one of which offers a very different experience. Hammers, for example, toss enemies up into the air, opening them up to mid-air juggling (which boosts your combo meter) while swords allow you to utilize the sliding mechanic to "ping-pong" off of foes and, thus, effectively handle large groups.

Third, and most amusing, of the implications given by the Too Human bashers is the fact that, because one game in Too Human's genre failed, Too Human will as well. One of the following is stellar, the other is not.

Yet they are both in the same genre. Who'da thunk?

In conclusion: comparisons between Hellgate and Too Human are largely unfounded.

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#48 carljohnson3456
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That was corny , and you said mines was weak, LAME.blitzkid1

Geesh dude I was just kidding, I was acting corny on purpose. Just being silly. Hence why I said "Ziiiiiiing!!!" like I really burned you or something. Sarcasm.

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#49 blitzkid1
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from the latest coverage I can surmise that the cutscenes are even dumber than I originally thought, the game is ten hours long, you can take out enemies from afar using the pistols, the hit detection is worse than an MMO and The graphics look like a five year old PC game

OMG HAWT!!!!!111

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So youve played the game to say it was ten hours ? How would you know about the combatif you havent played it ?

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#50 dream431ca
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Epic Pure Total Complete and Utter FAIL!! :lol: