Even if the RROD problem is finally fixed (or soon to be fixed), does it even matter at this point? I mean, knowledge of this problem is so widespread, with such bad accompanying PR, can a fix improve the 360's fortunes? After all, perception is reality, and if the perception of the 360 is that of a faulty piece of machinery, does fixing the issue once and for all even matter at this point, or is it already too late for this gen?
Too late to solve the RROD problem?
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What about the PS2 and its DRE problems? Didn't slow it any. Plus, how much of this news is making the mainstream headlines (where the Average Joes can see them)?Even if the RROD problem is finally fixed (or soon to be fixed), does it even matter at this point? I mean, knowledge of this problem is so widespread, with such bad accompanying PR, can a fix improve the 360's fortunes? After all, perception is reality, and if the perception of the 360 is that of a faulty piece of machinery, does fixing the issue once and for all even matter at this point, or is it already too late for this gen?
dsmccracken
The RROD is way overhyped,and is basically used by desperate cows as the only stick with which to beat the 360.
Like I said before I have 3 360s in my house and have had no problems with any of them.
Even if the RROD problem is finally fixed (or soon to be fixed), does it even matter at this point? I mean, knowledge of this problem is so widespread, with such bad accompanying PR, can a fix improve the 360's fortunes? After all, perception is reality, and if the perception of the 360 is that of a faulty piece of machinery, does fixing the issue once and for all even matter at this point, or is it already too late for this gen?
dsmccracken
Fixing it will control the damage this gen, but I imagine, the full effect of RROD will be felt by the next iteration of the Xbox. I imagine people will be a lot more sceptical of buying the next gen MS console in light of RROD.
[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]What about the PS2 and its DRE problems? Didn't slow it any. Plus, how much of this news is making the mainstream headlines (where the Average Joes can see them)?Even if the RROD problem is finally fixed (or soon to be fixed), does it even matter at this point? I mean, knowledge of this problem is so widespread, with such bad accompanying PR, can a fix improve the 360's fortunes? After all, perception is reality, and if the perception of the 360 is that of a faulty piece of machinery, does fixing the issue once and for all even matter at this point, or is it already too late for this gen?
HuusAsking
I myself am sometimes skeptical about how much of the stuff fanboys war over is known by the general public. Stuff like native 1080p, the cell... I think only a tiny % of the population (most of whom are here in GS) knows about this stuff without mainstream reporting on the subject.
The RROD is different though, I believe. Even without mass reporting on the subject (though there has been some), just word of mouth has made this pretty common knowledge. When mom and dad are looking to buy Billy a new console, and a couple of Billy's friends are on their 3rd 360, I'm pretty sure it would come up. I know it has for me.
[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]What about the PS2 and its DRE problems? Didn't slow it any. Plus, how much of this news is making the mainstream headlines (where the Average Joes can see them)?Even if the RROD problem is finally fixed (or soon to be fixed), does it even matter at this point? I mean, knowledge of this problem is so widespread, with such bad accompanying PR, can a fix improve the 360's fortunes? After all, perception is reality, and if the perception of the 360 is that of a faulty piece of machinery, does fixing the issue once and for all even matter at this point, or is it already too late for this gen?
HuusAsking
Yep.. I knew people who had bought a couple of PS2's.
The RROD is way overhyped,and is basically used by desperate cows as the only stick with which to beat the 360.
Like I said before I have 3 360s in my house and have had no problems with any of them.
GabeNewellsPie
I only own one, and like you have never had a single problem in 2 years. However, a guy I work with is on his 3rd (maybe 4th, can't remember). This is not a made-up problem used by Cows for DC.
The RROD is way overhyped,and is basically used by desperate cows as the only stick with which to beat the 360.
Like I said before I have 3 360s in my house and have had no problems with any of them.
GabeNewellsPie
Well lets see here...My launch 360 lasted 8months. NO WARRANTY..My 2nd 360 died about 2 weeks ago, Just got the replacement back a couple days ago.
My nephews "nearly launch" 360 died after only 1 year.Not replacing it.
1 friend of mine, his died 1 week after launch and his replacement died shortly after
2nd fridnd of mine, his died after a year or so and has not replaced it yet..
I have met SEVERAL PEOPLE at my local WalMart that have had their 360's die. And I mean...SEVERAL!!!...I live in a small town, so emagine how many people in the world have had this happen..
Its a MS problem and they have admitted to it. That is why they have extended the warranty 3 times AND have given in on the RROD FREE REPLACEMENT problems. They know its junk, why is it hard for us normal people to admit it?
enough already its all hot air, just enough, you take a chance with anything motorized or techinical you buy, yeah this was a problem but this isn't the reason for any sales to be hurt, sales of 360 are good and still so where do you useless fanboys get your garbage info, oh wait you don't it's your mindless usless opinion of stuff you have no idea about.
all 3 consoles are doing well we should all be happy, especially with today's economy and what not
now please go play a game
enough already its all hot air, just enough, you take a chance with anything motorized or techinical you buy, yeah this was a problem but this isn't the reason for any sales to be hurt, sales of 360 are good and still so where do you useless fanboys get your garbage info, oh wait you don't it's your mindless usless opinion of stuff you have no idea about.
all 3 consoles are doing well we should all be happy, especially with today's economy and what not
now please go play a game
SegArgyle
Sorry, could you repeat that? I wasn't listening at the time.
I've stood by XBOX since the original. I bought an original xbox and sold my ps2..that's how loyal I was. And you can check my posting history if you like...i've defended MS through thick and thin for years.
I've had RROD twice, the first time I paid for it and was payed back about a year later, and the second time was covered under the new warrenty. But this morning I go to turn on my 360 only to find that I am now getting just one red light and a message of "e74".
So I call them up, expecting them to look at my account and notice that I am a customer who has already returned my 360 TWICE, and they tell me it's going to cost me $99. Now usually I am pretty nice over the phone..but I went off on the guy. I kind of feel bad for him now...but it needed to be said. This is the most faulty console to be released in years. I have had 3 xbox 360's in my possession and all three of them have failed within a 3 year period. And they want another $100 from me?
I won a ps3 in some contest last month...if all I had was a 360 than i'd feel pressured into giving in and giving those greedy bastards my $100 again. But I have absolutly no motivation to do that this time, so MS has lost a loyal customer.
The only thing left to try is that I am going to tell them that I am now getting 3 red lights and see if they fix it for free...if not than MS is dead to me.
Microsoft deserves the bad PR and then some. Releasing a known defective product on the consumer just to beat the competition by a year and then trying to cover it up is not a strategy I respect at all.
I don't think it's too late but I'm not buying one until it's confirmed fix by MS themselves.
i hear you. i was in the same boat. i've had 3 360s total. hell, one i recieved back was even doa. all i played was my xbox last gen, i loved the damn thing. but yeah, ms has pretty much lost a customer in me as well.I've stood by XBOX since the original. I bought an original xbox and sold my ps2..that's how loyal I was. And you can check my posting history if you like...i've defended MS through thick and thin for years.
I've had RROD twice, the first time I paid for it and was payed back about a year later, and the second time was covered under the new warrenty. But this morning I go to turn on my 360 only to find that I am now getting just one red light and a message of "e74".
So I call them up, expecting them to look at my account and notice that I am a customer who has already returned my 360 TWICE, and they tell me it's going to cost me $99. Now usually I am pretty nice over the phone..but I went off on the guy. I kind of feel bad for him now...but it needed to be said. This is the most faulty console to be released in years. I have had 3 xbox 360's in my possession and all three of them have failed within a 3 year period. And they want another $100 from me?
I won a ps3 in some contest last month...if all I had was a 360 than i'd feel pressured into giving in and giving those greedy bastards my $100 again. But I have absolutly no motivation to do that this time, so MS has lost a loyal customer.
The only thing left to try is that I am going to tell them that I am now getting 3 red lights and see if they fix it for free...if not than MS is dead to me.
kingsfan_0333
[QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"]The RROD is way overhyped,and is basically used by desperate cows as the only stick with which to beat the 360.
Like I said before I have 3 360s in my house and have had no problems with any of them.
FunkyHeadHunter
Well lets see here...My launch 360 lasted 8months. NO WARRANTY..My 2nd 360 died about 2 weeks ago, Just got the replacement back a couple days ago.
My nephews "nearly launch" 360 died after only 1 year.Not replacing it.
1 friend of mine, his died 1 week after launch and his replacement died shortly after
2nd fridnd of mine, his died after a year or so and has not replaced it yet..
I have met SEVERAL PEOPLE at my local WalMart that have had their 360's die. And I mean...SEVERAL!!!...I live in a small town, so emagine how many people in the world have had this happen..
Its a MS problem and they have admitted to it. That is why they have extended the warranty 3 times AND have given in on the RROD FREE REPLACEMENT problems. They know its junk, why is it hard for us normal people to admit it?
These little anicdotes don't help your case,I've heard to many of these made up RROD stories.
The RROD was never much of a problem TBH,and is even less of a problem now.But cows will keep grasping 'cos its the only thing they have against the 360.
[QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"]The RROD is way overhyped,and is basically used by desperate cows as the only stick with which to beat the 360.
Like I said before I have 3 360s in my house and have had no problems with any of them.
GabeNewellsPie
Well lets see here...My launch 360 lasted 8months. NO WARRANTY..My 2nd 360 died about 2 weeks ago, Just got the replacement back a couple days ago.
My nephews "nearly launch" 360 died after only 1 year.Not replacing it.
1 friend of mine, his died 1 week after launch and his replacement died shortly after
2nd fridnd of mine, his died after a year or so and has not replaced it yet..
I have met SEVERAL PEOPLE at my local WalMart that have had their 360's die. And I mean...SEVERAL!!!...I live in a small town, so emagine how many people in the world have had this happen..
Its a MS problem and they have admitted to it. That is why they have extended the warranty 3 times AND have given in on the RROD FREE REPLACEMENT problems. They know its junk, why is it hard for us normal people to admit it?
These little anicdotes don't help your case,I've heard to many of these made up RROD stories.
The RROD was never much of a problem TBH,and is even less of a problem now.But cows will keep grasping 'cos its the only thing they have against the 360.
you are so incredibly full of it. just because you "claim" you've never had a problem doesn't mean that the problem has been overblown. its a VERY real problem and will even happen to you at some point. thats fact, not speculation...These little anicdotes don't help your case,I've heard to many of these made up RROD stories.
The RROD was never much of a problem TBH,and is even less of a problem now.But cows will keep grasping 'cos its the only thing they have against the 360.
GabeNewellsPie
So you're saying that I'm a cow, my story is made up, and that I'm grasping at straws? Maybe I'm a paid Sony rep? Look at my posting history to be disabused of that notion. Or maybe I've spent the past 3000 or so posts establishing street cred?
[QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"]The RROD is way overhyped,and is basically used by desperate cows as the only stick with which to beat the 360.
Like I said before I have 3 360s in my house and have had no problems with any of them.
ninjaxams
Well lets see here...My launch 360 lasted 8months. NO WARRANTY..My 2nd 360 died about 2 weeks ago, Just got the replacement back a couple days ago.
My nephews "nearly launch" 360 died after only 1 year.Not replacing it.
1 friend of mine, his died 1 week after launch and his replacement died shortly after
2nd fridnd of mine, his died after a year or so and has not replaced it yet..
I have met SEVERAL PEOPLE at my local WalMart that have had their 360's die. And I mean...SEVERAL!!!...I live in a small town, so emagine how many people in the world have had this happen..
Its a MS problem and they have admitted to it. That is why they have extended the warranty 3 times AND have given in on the RROD FREE REPLACEMENT problems. They know its junk, why is it hard for us normal people to admit it?
These little anicdotes don't help your case,I've heard to many of these made up RROD stories.
The RROD was never much of a problem TBH,and is even less of a problem now.But cows will keep grasping 'cos its the only thing they have against the 360.
you are so incredibly full of it. just because you "claim" you've never had a problem doesn't mean that the problem has been overblown. its a VERY real problem and will even happen to you at some point. thats fact, not speculation...According to some people I have about the same chance of my 360 getting the RROD as I have of contracting some form of cancer,am I worried about either? Nope. :)
Like I said people use the RROD problem and over-hype it,to try and claim some ownage on the 360.Because lets face it,cows haven't got anything else to use against it,have they?
[QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"]These little anicdotes don't help your case,I've heard to many of these made up RROD stories.
The RROD was never much of a problem TBH,and is even less of a problem now.But cows will keep grasping 'cos its the only thing they have against the 360.
dsmccracken
So you're saying that I'm a cow, my story is made up, and that I'm grasping at straws? Maybe I'm a paid Sony rep? Look at my posting history to be disabused of that notion. Or maybe I've spent the past 3000 or so posts establishing street cred?
Wasn't talking to you. :|
Microsoft deserves the bad PR and then some. Releasing a known defective product on the consumer just to beat the competition by a year and then trying to cover it up is not a strategy I respect at all.
I don't think it's too late but I'm not buying one until it's confirmed fix by MS themselves.
EmperorSupreme
Do you really believe that? Effed up, yes. Didn't do enough testing, yes.
But knew in-advance and released it anyway? I highly doubt that. RROD has cost them a ton of money directly in warranty, and a bigger ton in-directly in lost sales...you for instance :)
I can't imagine that they knew in-advance. A 3-6 month delay to redesign would have been far cheaper than the fiasco that came to be.
[QUOTE="ninjaxams"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"]The RROD is way overhyped,and is basically used by desperate cows as the only stick with which to beat the 360.
Like I said before I have 3 360s in my house and have had no problems with any of them.
GabeNewellsPie
Well lets see here...My launch 360 lasted 8months. NO WARRANTY..My 2nd 360 died about 2 weeks ago, Just got the replacement back a couple days ago.
My nephews "nearly launch" 360 died after only 1 year.Not replacing it.
1 friend of mine, his died 1 week after launch and his replacement died shortly after
2nd fridnd of mine, his died after a year or so and has not replaced it yet..
I have met SEVERAL PEOPLE at my local WalMart that have had their 360's die. And I mean...SEVERAL!!!...I live in a small town, so emagine how many people in the world have had this happen..
Its a MS problem and they have admitted to it. That is why they have extended the warranty 3 times AND have given in on the RROD FREE REPLACEMENT problems. They know its junk, why is it hard for us normal people to admit it?
These little anicdotes don't help your case,I've heard to many of these made up RROD stories.
The RROD was never much of a problem TBH,and is even less of a problem now.But cows will keep grasping 'cos its the only thing they have against the 360.
you are so incredibly full of it. just because you "claim" you've never had a problem doesn't mean that the problem has been overblown. its a VERY real problem and will even happen to you at some point. thats fact, not speculation...According to some people I have about the same chance of my 360 getting the RROD as I have of contracting some form of cancer,am I worried about either? Nope. :)
Like I said people use the RROD problem and over-hype it,to try and claim some ownage on the 360.Because lets face it,cows haven't got anything else to use against it,have they?
YOu do realize this "emaginary problem" has been publicized on tv right?You do know its a known fact and is wide spread right? You do do realize MS has admited that EVERY 360 from launch on is defective right? Or is MS just playing a joke on us consumers?
[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]Microsoft deserves the bad PR and then some. Releasing a known defective product on the consumer just to beat the competition by a year and then trying to cover it up is not a strategy I respect at all.
I don't think it's too late but I'm not buying one until it's confirmed fix by MS themselves.
SUD123456
Do you really believe that? Effed up, yes. Didn't do enough testing, yes.
But knew in-advance and released it anyway? I highly doubt that. RROD has cost them a ton of money directly in warranty, and a bigger ton in-directly in lost sales...you for instance :)
I can't imagine that they knew in-advance. A 3-6 month delay to redesign would have been far cheaper than the fiasco that came to be.
A 3-6 month delay would've meant missing the holiday window and nobody is going to launch a console mid-year. So that would've meant launching alongside the PS3 and Wii. So yes I believe it was rushed to market to beat the competition.
YOu do realize this "emaginary problem" has been publicized on tv right?You do know its a known fact and is wide spread right? You do do realize MS has admited that EVERY 360 from launch on is defective right? Or is MS just playing a joke on us consumers?
FunkyHeadHunter
Like I said before your little anecdotes are entertaining and all,but they have no effect on me.None.
[QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"]YOu do realize this "emaginary problem" has been publicized on tv right?You do know its a known fact and is wide spread right? You do do realize MS has admited that EVERY 360 from launch on is defective right? Or is MS just playing a joke on us consumers?
GabeNewellsPie
Like I said before your little anecdotes are entertaining and all,but they have no effect on me.None.
But the initial subject of the thread wasn't about you, or anyone here. It was about the general customer out there that still hasn't bought a current-gen console and their perception of the RROD problem.
[QUOTE="ninjaxams"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"]The RROD is way overhyped,and is basically used by desperate cows as the only stick with which to beat the 360.
Like I said before I have 3 360s in my house and have had no problems with any of them.
GabeNewellsPie
Well lets see here...My launch 360 lasted 8months. NO WARRANTY..My 2nd 360 died about 2 weeks ago, Just got the replacement back a couple days ago.
My nephews "nearly launch" 360 died after only 1 year.Not replacing it.
1 friend of mine, his died 1 week after launch and his replacement died shortly after
2nd fridnd of mine, his died after a year or so and has not replaced it yet..
I have met SEVERAL PEOPLE at my local WalMart that have had their 360's die. And I mean...SEVERAL!!!...I live in a small town, so emagine how many people in the world have had this happen..
Its a MS problem and they have admitted to it. That is why they have extended the warranty 3 times AND have given in on the RROD FREE REPLACEMENT problems. They know its junk, why is it hard for us normal people to admit it?
These little anicdotes don't help your case,I've heard to many of these made up RROD stories.
The RROD was never much of a problem TBH,and is even less of a problem now.But cows will keep grasping 'cos its the only thing they have against the 360.
you are so incredibly full of it. just because you "claim" you've never had a problem doesn't mean that the problem has been overblown. its a VERY real problem and will even happen to you at some point. thats fact, not speculation...According to some people I have about the same chance of my 360 getting the RROD as I have of contracting some form of cancer,am I worried about either? Nope. :)
Like I said people use the RROD problem and over-hype it,to try and claim some ownage on the 360.Because lets face it,cows haven't got anything else to use against it,have they?
Than according to you, I now have lung cancer, brain cancer, and skin cancer, and 3 of my friends are slowly dieing as well.
Wow are we unlucky or what.
[QUOTE="SUD123456"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]Microsoft deserves the bad PR and then some. Releasing a known defective product on the consumer just to beat the competition by a year and then trying to cover it up is not a strategy I respect at all.
I don't think it's too late but I'm not buying one until it's confirmed fix by MS themselves.
EmperorSupreme
Do you really believe that? Effed up, yes. Didn't do enough testing, yes.
But knew in-advance and released it anyway? I highly doubt that. RROD has cost them a ton of money directly in warranty, and a bigger ton in-directly in lost sales...you for instance :)
I can't imagine that they knew in-advance. A 3-6 month delay to redesign would have been far cheaper than the fiasco that came to be.
A 3-6 month delay would've meant missing the holiday window and nobody is going to launch a console mid-year. So that would've meant launching alongside the PS3 and Wii. So yes I believe it was rushed to market to beat the competition.
Rushed to market...yes. But that isn't the same thing as knew in-advance.
As for console launches....poppycock :)
PS2 launched Mar 4, 2000
PS3 Europe launch Mar 31st 2007.
Obviously Christmas is a key season, but you don't waste billions on warranty and take a big hit on your brand for the sake of a quarter or two.
[QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"]YOu do realize this "emaginary problem" has been publicized on tv right?You do know its a known fact and is wide spread right? You do do realize MS has admited that EVERY 360 from launch on is defective right? Or is MS just playing a joke on us consumers?
GabeNewellsPie
Like I said before your little anecdotes are entertaining and all,but they have no effect on me.None.
Good for you...but unfortunatly the whole world (and these forums) don't revolve around you. Nobody is saying that YOU have had problems with YOUR console, they are saying that they have had problems with theirs. They don't have to have an effect on you...but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
[QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"][QUOTE="ninjaxams"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"]The RROD is way overhyped,and is basically used by desperate cows as the only stick with which to beat the 360.
Like I said before I have 3 360s in my house and have had no problems with any of them.
kingsfan_0333
Well lets see here...My launch 360 lasted 8months. NO WARRANTY..My 2nd 360 died about 2 weeks ago, Just got the replacement back a couple days ago.
My nephews "nearly launch" 360 died after only 1 year.Not replacing it.
1 friend of mine, his died 1 week after launch and his replacement died shortly after
2nd fridnd of mine, his died after a year or so and has not replaced it yet..
I have met SEVERAL PEOPLE at my local WalMart that have had their 360's die. And I mean...SEVERAL!!!...I live in a small town, so emagine how many people in the world have had this happen..
Its a MS problem and they have admitted to it. That is why they have extended the warranty 3 times AND have given in on the RROD FREE REPLACEMENT problems. They know its junk, why is it hard for us normal people to admit it?
These little anicdotes don't help your case,I've heard to many of these made up RROD stories.
The RROD was never much of a problem TBH,and is even less of a problem now.But cows will keep grasping 'cos its the only thing they have against the 360.
you are so incredibly full of it. just because you "claim" you've never had a problem doesn't mean that the problem has been overblown. its a VERY real problem and will even happen to you at some point. thats fact, not speculation...According to some people I have about the same chance of my 360 getting the RROD as I have of contracting some form of cancer,am I worried about either? Nope. :)
Like I said people use the RROD problem and over-hype it,to try and claim some ownage on the 360.Because lets face it,cows haven't got anything else to use against it,have they?
Than according to you, I now have lung cancer, brain cancer, and skin cancer, and 3 of my friends are slowly dieing as well.
Wow are we unlucky or what.
Wow thats too bad.Hope you've got yourself some good health insurance.
[QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"]YOu do realize this "emaginary problem" has been publicized on tv right?You do know its a known fact and is wide spread right? You do do realize MS has admited that EVERY 360 from launch on is defective right? Or is MS just playing a joke on us consumers?
kingsfan_0333
Like I said before your little anecdotes are entertaining and all,but they have no effect on me.None.
Good for you...but unfortunatly the whole world (and these forums) don't revolve around you. Nobody is saying that YOU have had problems with YOUR console, they are saying that they have had problems with theirs. They don't have to have an effect on you...but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
I'm sorry but people are using THEIR personal experiences to try to convince people theat the RROD issue is biiger than it really is,when from my personal experience the problem is very small.
[QUOTE="ninjaxams"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"]The RROD is way overhyped,and is basically used by desperate cows as the only stick with which to beat the 360.
Like I said before I have 3 360s in my house and have had no problems with any of them.
GabeNewellsPie
Well lets see here...My launch 360 lasted 8months. NO WARRANTY..My 2nd 360 died about 2 weeks ago, Just got the replacement back a couple days ago.
My nephews "nearly launch" 360 died after only 1 year.Not replacing it.
1 friend of mine, his died 1 week after launch and his replacement died shortly after
2nd fridnd of mine, his died after a year or so and has not replaced it yet..
I have met SEVERAL PEOPLE at my local WalMart that have had their 360's die. And I mean...SEVERAL!!!...I live in a small town, so emagine how many people in the world have had this happen..
Its a MS problem and they have admitted to it. That is why they have extended the warranty 3 times AND have given in on the RROD FREE REPLACEMENT problems. They know its junk, why is it hard for us normal people to admit it?
These little anicdotes don't help your case,I've heard to many of these made up RROD stories.
The RROD was never much of a problem TBH,and is even less of a problem now.But cows will keep grasping 'cos its the only thing they have against the 360.
you are so incredibly full of it. just because you "claim" you've never had a problem doesn't mean that the problem has been overblown. its a VERY real problem and will even happen to you at some point. thats fact, not speculation...According to some people I have about the same chance of my 360 getting the RROD as I have of contracting some form of cancer,am I worried about either? Nope. :)
Like I said people use the RROD problem and over-hype it,to try and claim some ownage on the 360.Because lets face it,cows haven't got anything else to use against it,have they?
Umm they have an AAAE
They have superior technolgy.
They have free online which is QUICKLY becomming equivalent to XBOXLIVE.
They have a very reliable..and quiet system.
They have controller recharge cables that are free and come with the system...(you don't have to pay 20 bucks for them extra).
I'm not saying they are in the clear lead, but I wouldn't say they have nothing else..because they have plenty.
And i've gotten RROD twice and my console is currently down with another problem. So you will have to excuse me if I don't agree with your RROD is overhyped philosophy. Hardware problems are very much alive and kickin.
[QUOTE="kingsfan_0333"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"]YOu do realize this "emaginary problem" has been publicized on tv right?You do know its a known fact and is wide spread right? You do do realize MS has admited that EVERY 360 from launch on is defective right? Or is MS just playing a joke on us consumers?
GabeNewellsPie
Like I said before your little anecdotes are entertaining and all,but they have no effect on me.None.
Good for you...but unfortunatly the whole world (and these forums) don't revolve around you. Nobody is saying that YOU have had problems with YOUR console, they are saying that they have had problems with theirs. They don't have to have an effect on you...but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
I'm sorry but people are using THEIR personal experiences to try to convince people theat the RROD issue is biiger than it really is,when from my personal experience the problem is very small.
You just contridicted yourself. You don't want people to use THEIR personal experiences to try and convince people that the RROD issue is big, but at the same time you are using YOUR personal experience to say that the problem is very small. You can't have it both ways my friend.
33 percent is a chance that 360s rrods...overhyped you say?The RROD is way overhyped,and is basically used by desperate cows as the only stick with which to beat the 360.
Like I said before I have 3 360s in my house and have had no problems with any of them.
GabeNewellsPie
[QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"][QUOTE="kingsfan_0333"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"]YOu do realize this "emaginary problem" has been publicized on tv right?You do know its a known fact and is wide spread right? You do do realize MS has admited that EVERY 360 from launch on is defective right? Or is MS just playing a joke on us consumers?
kingsfan_0333
Like I said before your little anecdotes are entertaining and all,but they have no effect on me.None.
Good for you...but unfortunatly the whole world (and these forums) don't revolve around you. Nobody is saying that YOU have had problems with YOUR console, they are saying that they have had problems with theirs. They don't have to have an effect on you...but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
I'm sorry but people are using THEIR personal experiences to try to convince people theat the RROD issue is biiger than it really is,when from my personal experience the problem is very small.
You just contridicted yourself. You don't want people to use THEIR personal experiences to try and convince people that the RROD issue is big, but at the same time you are using YOUR personal experience to say that the problem is very small. You can't have it both ways my friend.
Exactly,some people are saying that I can't use my pesonal experiences on the RROD issue while its ok for others to do. :|
Whats it gonna be?
[QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"]33 percent is a chance that 360s rrods...overhyped you say?The RROD is way overhyped,and is basically used by desperate cows as the only stick with which to beat the 360.
Like I said before I have 3 360s in my house and have had no problems with any of them.
planbfreak4eva
where are the devs saying it's maxed out, the devs making forza3 said they where pushing it to it;s limits, that does not mean it's maxed out. i would like to see where devs (and only devs that are actually working on the 360) are saying it's maxed out, link please.
[QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"]YOu do realize this "emaginary problem" has been publicized on tv right?You do know its a known fact and is wide spread right? You do do realize MS has admited that EVERY 360 from launch on is defective right? Or is MS just playing a joke on us consumers?
GabeNewellsPie
Like I said before your little anecdotes are entertaining and all,but they have no effect on me.None.
if it doesn't have any effect on you great.i'm glad some ppl out there aren't worried about their expensive investment going up in smoke. i on the other hand got sick of it happening to me so i bought a ps3. its one thing that you seem to be able to live worry free about it but don't say the problem is blown way out of proportion. i never got dre be even i knew it was a very real problem. good luck to you on your invincible 360s :P
I went through 2 game cubes and 2 PS2s. In fact, the onluy console I didn't have to replace was my first XBox. That didn't stop me from buying them.Even if the RROD problem is finally fixed (or soon to be fixed), does it even matter at this point? I mean, knowledge of this problem is so widespread, with such bad accompanying PR, can a fix improve the 360's fortunes? After all, perception is reality, and if the perception of the 360 is that of a faulty piece of machinery, does fixing the issue once and for all even matter at this point, or is it already too late for this gen?
dsmccracken
Exactly,some people are saying that I can't use my pesonal experiences on the RROD issue while its ok for others to do. :|
Whats it gonna be?
GabeNewellsPie
I don't think anyone's saying that. I think that what they're taking issue to is you extrapolating from your experience that RROD is overblown/overhyped. Along the lines of: "tell us that you're healthy, fine, but don't tell us that therefore cancer doesn't exist or is DC from AIDS fanboys."
[QUOTE="kingsfan_0333"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"][QUOTE="kingsfan_0333"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"]YOu do realize this "emaginary problem" has been publicized on tv right?You do know its a known fact and is wide spread right? You do do realize MS has admited that EVERY 360 from launch on is defective right? Or is MS just playing a joke on us consumers?
GabeNewellsPie
Like I said before your little anecdotes are entertaining and all,but they have no effect on me.None.
Good for you...but unfortunatly the whole world (and these forums) don't revolve around you. Nobody is saying that YOU have had problems with YOUR console, they are saying that they have had problems with theirs. They don't have to have an effect on you...but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
I'm sorry but people are using THEIR personal experiences to try to convince people theat the RROD issue is biiger than it really is,when from my personal experience the problem is very small.
You just contridicted yourself. You don't want people to use THEIR personal experiences to try and convince people that the RROD issue is big, but at the same time you are using YOUR personal experience to say that the problem is very small. You can't have it both ways my friend.
Exactly,some people are saying that I can't use my pesonal experiences on the RROD issue while its ok for others to do. :|
Whats it gonna be?
Your personal experience doesn't work because there is a chance that 360 will red ring. What you are saying is that it won't and has no chance, when there is actually a quite large chance that it will. And the 3 red rings aren't the only problem. I don't know about others, but my 360 scratches my discs and constantly claims that the disc is dirty, even when I'm playing a downloaded arcade game. HOW THE **** is a downloaded games disc dirty?
Anyway, you're personal experience would be misleading to newer potential buyers, which is why you don't go by your experience but by the many people who have had their 360's red ring.
Rushed to market...yes. But that isn't the same thing as knew in-advance.
As for console launches....poppycock :)
PS2 launched Mar 4, 2000
PS3 Europe launch Mar 31st 2007.
Obviously Christmas is a key season, but you don't waste billions on warranty and take a big hit on your brand for the sake of a quarter or two.
SUD123456
Go read this.
It says that microsoft knowingly was cheap about building the console and rather than check to see if the failing units wre due to a system wide defect, just tossed the faulty test units and shipped the console anyway. The interviewer specifically says that the system was rushed to market for the holiday season.
There is also this; which says the launch of the PS2 in the US, Europe and Australia was in October and November 2000. And while you are right about the European PS3 launch, if you look at the way console manufacturers and game publishers have treated Europe, it has unfortunately been with the general idea that their money doesn't matter as much as the US and Japan. They get games and consoles late, they pay more, and they often get fewer options. Besides, it had a holiday release in the US and Japan in 2006.
But that is besides the point. We know that video game producers try to shoot for holiday releases. The months between March and September are considered the 'dry months' around the globe. Not every product can fit into this mold and companies try to make money year round. And there are other events they can take advantage of (Easter, Graduation, Birthdays, etc.) but it doesn't change the fact that there is no other time of year that the big three can each sell over 1,000,000 consoles in the US in less than two months, so that is the optimum release time, especially for a new product.
Either way, the fact is that MS knowingly released a system that was under tested and whose pre-release tests showed it had a failure rate above 3%, the maximum acceptable failure rate for an electronic device. They screwed themselves and their customers, and that was uncool. They wanted to beat Ninty and Sony to market so badly, they lost sight of the fact that it is a quality product that entices customers, not just a name. In fact, if they had released a well built system, it might have been the case that MS would have blow Sony out of the water. As it stands, they gave Sony enough time catch up. As it stands every gamer I know that has bought a console in the last yea, except one, has bought a ps3 (granted that's only like 5 people, aka 4 ps3's, but I look at it as a micro-example).
Oh, and for people saying that the RROD isn't as big a deal as some claim it to be, google RROD and watch the list grow. My personal favorite is the shot of the Best Buy store display 360 that has the RROD in the case. That's cl@ssic.
[QUOTE="kingsfan_0333"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"][QUOTE="kingsfan_0333"][QUOTE="GabeNewellsPie"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"]YOu do realize this "emaginary problem" has been publicized on tv right?You do know its a known fact and is wide spread right? You do do realize MS has admited that EVERY 360 from launch on is defective right? Or is MS just playing a joke on us consumers?
GabeNewellsPie
Like I said before your little anecdotes are entertaining and all,but they have no effect on me.None.
Good for you...but unfortunatly the whole world (and these forums) don't revolve around you. Nobody is saying that YOU have had problems with YOUR console, they are saying that they have had problems with theirs. They don't have to have an effect on you...but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
I'm sorry but people are using THEIR personal experiences to try to convince people theat the RROD issue is biiger than it really is,when from my personal experience the problem is very small.
You just contridicted yourself. You don't want people to use THEIR personal experiences to try and convince people that the RROD issue is big, but at the same time you are using YOUR personal experience to say that the problem is very small. You can't have it both ways my friend.
Exactly,some people are saying that I can't use my pesonal experiences on the RROD issue while its ok for others to do. :|
Whats it gonna be?
Yes but the key difference is that there are loads of people in these forums with similar personal experiences, and to be honest with you...your personal experience is a rarity around here. So while your personal experience might seem common to you, everyone else is looking around at all of these problems and seeing your situation as being in the strong minority. Whether or not you think these people have nothing better to do than make up fake stories is up to you to decide, but if you are trying to tell me that I am somehow lieing and that my 360 actually works right now than i would love to supply you with some pictures.
All i'm saying is that my 360 effed up 3 times now..and they want $100 from me to fix it. Whether or not this happens to you isn't going to alter my situation at all...but around here A LOT of people are having hardware problems. I believe MS themselves has admitted to at least 30%, which they've also said is unacceptable, thus the warrenty change. It's nice that you haven't had any problems...but if you look around you'll see that the problems are clearly out there, and they are pissing people off. I'm not one of those ps3 fans that are claiming to have massive RROD issues..you can check my post history and clearly see that I have defended the 360 blindly for years. But in all honesty no console/system is worth this amount of frustration...especially when there is a direct competitor on the market.
[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]I went through 2 game cubes and 2 PS2s. In fact, the onluy console I didn't have to replace was my first XBox. That didn't stop me from buying them.Even if the RROD problem is finally fixed (or soon to be fixed), does it even matter at this point? I mean, knowledge of this problem is so widespread, with such bad accompanying PR, can a fix improve the 360's fortunes? After all, perception is reality, and if the perception of the 360 is that of a faulty piece of machinery, does fixing the issue once and for all even matter at this point, or is it already too late for this gen?
dabear
Ya but which of those were fully covered under warrenty, and which of those did you completly rebuy?
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