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There are some topics that are so repetitive they make a Dynasty Warriors game look like an original masterpiece of innovative game design. I don't know about you, but if I see any of these just ONE more time... I might very well go postal :evil:. So what are these topics of discussion that need to be buried for good?

System XY is Dying


I figured I play out some irony about my own topic by making the first entry about fanboys who try to kill a platform with nothing more than their propaganda. PC gaming has been dying since ATI and Nvidia were founded. Xbox has been dying for almost a decade. Wii is now the most successful fad running on 4 years, and likely will continue its unprecedented fad streak for yet another 6 years. Lets face it. If the haters were accurate, probably the only platform to still be standing today would be Nintendo's handhelds.

Graphics King


This I feel is the worst offender of all. It's so prevalent it can qualify as an epidemic. The biggest fallacy with these threads is the assumption of a universal scale by which can be applied to all manner of art design. Visuals are the most subjective factor of games, where the art direction is designed for a specific styIe the developers are aiming for. So it's not all about realism, or how many polygons can be squeezed into every character model.

This generation has seen some of the most diversity and creativity in thematic visuals and the industry is better for it. It shouldn't be about a single place winner, but about appreciation of all the variety of artistry and creative talent.

Game Play Greater than Graphics

Then when you look at the other side of the equation, it seems some people erroneously try to undervalue the role graphics has in video games. And never forget that these are called video games. They are a highly visual medium. Yes it's very important to gave a solid foundation of game play, from comprehensive mechanics, to intuitive and fluid control, to good level design.

But the graphics serves as the primary engine for the player's interactivity with the game. And as outlined in the previous category, graphics is the canvas for the story, setting the atmosphere and emotion the developers wants the player to experience, as part of the game play. It's not about one being more important than the other between graphics and game play, it's that graphics are an integral part of the game play. They don't exist exclusively, but in fact serve to enable one another.

This and That Game is Milked


If only these arguments were waged with objectivity and a clearly defined criteria. Sadly, a majority of the times they are not. Whether it's regarding Halo, Final Fantasy, Madden, Mario, Call of Duty or any number of franchises, chances are if it was proclaimed as "milked", it has nothing to do with numbers or release cycles or any other quantifiable standard.

I find most often from observing those threads that the argument 90% of the time is coming from an attitude of hypocrisy and double standards, because as I noted earlier, it's not based on any objective data about a threshold of numbers.

No, it usually gets branded as such for no more reason than they simply hate the series. But as surely as the series they love has probably equal amount of games (and in a few cases even more) the same principle no longer applies. In that case, no matter how many games come out for their favoured series, each new release is a Christmas gift to them and cannot be seen as milked. You may not like a given game, but believe me there's plenty more that do. If there weren't a demand for it, new titles wouldn't be released for the series. But it always boils down to the same thing.

One person hates a series = its milked
Same person loves a series = more is better

Promotional/Infomercial Threads

You've seen these before. A poster takes it upon themselves to oversee the market share for a given platform. And boy does their text read like it was pulled right of an advertising agencies handbook. They're "selling" you on all the awesome features their favourite system has as part of a campaign to get you to buy it. They pretty much believe they'll single handedly win the console race with their powers of persuasion and way cool bullet points. You almost expect them to cap it off with, "order now and we'll throw in this handsome set of 5 controller skins, ABSOLUTELY FREEEEEEE".

And a very close cousin to this is what I call the "Pleading Thread". This insidious thread comes in the seemingly innocent guise of asking a question. Like "why does anybody buy a 360 after 2008?", or "why don't console gamers upgrade to PC?", or "how much longer will the Wii fad last?". And when you really examine the topic, it's clear enough that the question comes from the users inability to reconcile the state of the market with how they believe things "should be". They just can't accept what they love being behind the competition, as its so counter to their preconceptions, they make a veiled attempt to persuade people to see, that their choices have all this time been plain "wrong", and they must turn around. After all, the TC had the right idea all along, why shouldn't they "save the masses from their mistake", right?

Whether by a sales pitch or a pleading argument, its futile. Hey it IS great how much you're enjoying the system of your choice, but other people actually have a preference which, **GASP**, didn't coincide with yours :o GET OVER IT!

Hot Video Game Babes

Wha… wait a minute!!! WHO put this on the list?? Wasdie? JG4Xchamp? MusicalMac? Jethrovegas? I'll find out who would dare imply putting and end to these discussions… and… you'll… be… SORRY :twisted::twisted:

:P:P

***oh and champ, this is reading optional for you, don't sweat it if you didn't read it, lolololol*** :P:P

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#2 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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all of them.
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#3 DJ_Lae
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This is System Wars - without those kind of threads it would die. Besides, that would be asking too much of the children.
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#4 Episode_Eve
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Good luck trying to get rid of them. Unless you ask mac to lock them all when he sees them lol.
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Why isn't hot video game babes a choice? :|

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#6 felipebo
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Graphics King. Like, right now.

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#7 SolidTy
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There is problems in SW, no doubt about it.

But another one is attacking users for liking / disliking a different product. That's another topic that needs to die. Talk about the arguments, not the person. That breeds gossip and lies, and no one wants that. People even make long thread in SW about fanboys, groups, or a person, and we should refrain. So, that's a topic that must die as well.

The culmination of such acts like lies, gossip, and false accusations could actually oust good people from GameSpot or GS's unions because a group of posters secretly hate another group of posters. That is wrong, and the idea people leaving our beloved SW or even Gamespot due mostly in part to unconfirmed gossip is very sad. We don't need to lose good posters, imo.

We have to do our best as members of society to make sure false accusations, gossip, and pride don't ruin our internet forum experience. Heck, I say we need to make sure this doesn't happen to anyone else on SW or GS, anymore.

These great posters can just easily find another home at another site, so let's make them more comfortable, I say. :P


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Graphics King is the biggest farce to ever come out of SW, and that's really saying something.

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#9 icygangsta
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Looking at some of the comments in these threads makes my day; it does get overkill at times though.

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#10 senses_fail_06
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These kind of threads, which serve no purpose.
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#11 jg4xchamp
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I admit. I laughed at the last part :lol:

couth wasn't online with the gif I wanted to use :(

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All of the points you listed are great. I'll add these: - JRPGs aren't RPGs - A game has to be innovative to be great - People afraid to admit the internet is real life conversations/debates. They act like its a fantasy world where they cant be themselves. Afraid to accept they are passionate when discussing topics on the internet such as gaming, sports, movies, music etc.
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#13 painguy1
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Without these threads system wars would be boring

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Good luck trying to get rid of them. Unless you ask mac to lock them all when he sees them lol.Episode_Eve
Ha we can only hope!
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Hot Video Game Babes

Wha… wait a minute!!! WHO put this on the list?? Wasdie? JG4Xchamp? MusicalMac? Jethrovegas? I'll find out who would dare imply putting and end to these discussions… and… you'll… be… SORRY :twisted::twisted:


AdobeArtist



its too bad we're not allowed to have these kind of threads in the forums. :(

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#16 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]All of the points you listed are great. I'll add these: - JRPGs aren't RPGs - A game has to be innovative to be great - People afraid to admit the internet is real life conversations/debates. They act like its a fantasy world where they cant be themselves. Afraid to accept they are passionate when discussing topics on the internet such as gaming, sports, movies, music etc.

Win, brother. The last one is deep.
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#17 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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I admit. I laughed at the last part :lol:jg4xchamp

You had it coming :P:P

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These kind of threads, which serve no purpose.senses_fail_06
These "So and so needs to die" threads are quite common :lol:. Its just us expressing our opinions though. Technically they don't "need to die". It's always good to have a wide array of crazy and different topics.
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#19 Silverbond
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Anything having to do with foilage.

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-People who take this **** too seriously- it's the god damn internet. You can be passionate about a debate, but keep it in perspective
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#21 felipebo
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Anything having to do with foilage.

Silverbond

Not until Respawn-d is around. And Charmander > Torchic.

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[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]These kind of threads, which serve no purpose.TREAL_Since
These "So and so needs to die" threads are quite common :lol:. Its just us expressing our opinions though. Technically they don't "need to die". It's always good to have a wide array of crazy and different topics.

Yeah I know. It is not just exclusive to this forum either. People have been trying to assess and fix the internet community for years.
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#23 Masculus
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If we take this list into consideration and everybody stops doing these threads, what will be left to do in SW? I find these***** x Crysis threads quite amusing.

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This one.
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#25 W1NGMAN-
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Anything having to do with foilage.

Silverbond
Those have brought the most lulz lately, but I agree it's starting to get out of hand.
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this is the right answer, and more...
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-People who take this **** too seriously- it's the god damn internet. You can be passionate about a debate, but keep it in perspectivejg4xchamp
I think people SHOULD be passionate (if its how they really are). Just because its the "internet" doesn't exclude it from being real life. You are literally sitting and discussing things with other human beings. If you are one way with your personal friends, don't be afraid to open up and be yourself on the "internet".

I think it's even sadder when people feel the need to 'hide' who they actually are just to conform to some unwritten rule of "its uncool to be passionate and serious on the internet". Being fake is much worse IMO.

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-People who take this **** too seriously- it's the god damn internet. You can be passionate about a debate, but keep it in perspectivejg4xchamp

Yeah, but when it comes to pancakes vs. waffles...well, yeah.

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[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Anything having to do with foilage.

felipebo

Not until Respawn-d is around. And Charmander > Torchic.

I Agree with this individual

Clearly another person has just found out the massive failure that is silverbond*

[spoiler] dear mods. Clearly this is partially a joke and silverbond isn't a massive failure. [/spoiler]

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#30 davidkamayor
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there almost more threads complaining about graphics kings then there are graphics kings thread

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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]These kind of threads, which serve no purpose.senses_fail_06
These "So and so needs to die" threads are quite common :lol:. Its just us expressing our opinions though. Technically they don't "need to die". It's always good to have a wide array of crazy and different topics.

Yeah I know. It is not just exclusive to this forum either. People have been trying to assess and fix the internet community for years.

I completely agree.
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]-People who take this **** too seriously- it's the god damn internet. You can be passionate about a debate, but keep it in perspectiveKahuna_1

Yeah, but when it comes to pancakes vs. waffles...well, yeah.

That's different clearly Pancakes are superior and people who like waffles just have low standards. ****** peasants* [spoiler] Dear mods. Again this was a joke. I was kidding. This is not to be taken seriously. Teuf you have beautiful eyes [/spoiler]
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#33 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Anything having to do with foilage.

felipebo

Not until Respawn-d is around. And Charmander > Torchic.

...Let's just say I strongly disagree.

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#34 Mestitia
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I voted for the Gameplay > Graphics threads, those piss me off dearly.

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Oh man your sig ... HAHAHHAH! That's just brilliant.
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#36 maoman
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nah man, none of those should die. im looking forward to "the console heating king" thread. heheeh

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#37 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]-People who take this **** too seriously- it's the god damn internet. You can be passionate about a debate, but keep it in perspectiveKahuna_1

Yeah, but when it comes to pancakes vs. waffles...well, yeah.

No need to get passionate over that. Obviously, waffles are better.
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]-People who take this **** too seriously- it's the god damn internet. You can be passionate about a debate, but keep it in perspectiveTREAL_Since
I think people SHOULD be passionate (if its how they really are). Just because its the "internet" doesn't exclude it from being real life. You are literally sitting and discussing things with other human beings. If you are one way with your personal friends, don't be afraid to open up and be yourself on the "internet".

I mean take it personal. Be passionate about the debate, be passionate about the discussion. But don't act like the person did you some kind of injustice because he didn't agree. Some people here can't seperate themselves from their likes and preferences. As if it's a sin and a crime to dislike what they love. Argue all you want, but keep it in perspective. If someone on the internet is honestly getting under your skin that's not a good thing.
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[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]-People who take this **** too seriously- it's the god damn internet. You can be passionate about a debate, but keep it in perspectiveSilverbond

Yeah, but when it comes to pancakes vs. waffles...well, yeah.

No need to get passionate over that. Obviously, waffles are better.

Oh hell no...:x.

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Where's the choice for "all of the above"? :P [spoiler] Except hot babes of course. [/spoiler]
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#41 felipebo
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

Yeah, but when it comes to pancakes vs. waffles...well, yeah.

Kahuna_1

No need to get passionate over that. Obviously, waffles are better.

Oh hell no...:x.

I share your grief.

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#42 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="felipebo"]

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

No need to get passionate over that. Obviously, waffles are better.Silverbond

Oh hell no...:x.

I share your grief.

Why? The world agrees that waffles > pancakes. We could have more of those threads in SW, but that'd just prove what we all know.
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#43 SgtKevali
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This mentality on SW. It always comes up. The whole "PC gaming is godly console newbs!!"

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#44 felipebo
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[QUOTE="felipebo"]

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

Oh hell no...:x.

Silverbond

I share your grief.

Why? The world agrees that waffles > pancakes. We could have more of those threads in SW, but that'd just prove what we all know.

Dood, you don't know what you have 'till it's gone. Living in a pancake-less world, I can say it's a cold, dark place. (ps. Yep, I'm playing Disgaea 2)

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Discussing what we don't need around here would take too long, but I know what we DO need. We should switch topics once in a while and discuss audio kings. :D

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]-People who take this **** too seriously- it's the god damn internet. You can be passionate about a debate, but keep it in perspectiveTREAL_Since

I think people SHOULD be passionate (if its how they really are). Just because its the "internet" doesn't exclude it from being real life. You are literally sitting and discussing things with other human beings. If you are one way with your personal friends, don't be afraid to open up and be yourself on the "internet".

I think it's even sadder when people feel the need to 'hide' who they actually are just to conform to some unwritten rule of "its uncool to be passionate and serious on the internet". Being fake is much worse IMO.

I can't tell you how much I agree with this. The internet is not some alternate dimension seperate from the real world. As you pointed out, you're not interacting with artifical intelligences, it's real people you're communicating with. What ever code of conduct you'd apply in face to face interactions don't just evaporate because you're now on the internet where it no longer applies.

Hell eveything I ever posted comes from the real me, I don't alter my attitudes or correspondance in any way.

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#47 alfredooo
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-People who take this **** too seriously- it's the god damn internet. You can be passionate about a debate, but keep it in perspectivejg4xchamp

LOL noob teh internetz are srs busines

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#48 TREAL_Since
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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]-People who take this **** too seriously- it's the god damn internet. You can be passionate about a debate, but keep it in perspectivejg4xchamp
I think people SHOULD be passionate (if its how they really are). Just because its the "internet" doesn't exclude it from being real life. You are literally sitting and discussing things with other human beings. If you are one way with your personal friends, don't be afraid to open up and be yourself on the "internet".

I mean take it personal. Be passionate about the debate, be passionate about the discussion. But don't act like the person did you some kind of injustice because he didn't agree. Some people here can't seperate themselves from their likes and preferences. As if it's a sin and a crime to dislike what they love. Argue all you want, but keep it in perspective. If someone on the internet is honestly getting under your skin that's not a good thing.

Oh, I thought that was obvious :P. I def. agree with keeping things into perspective. Some people here don't know how to. The notion of 'it's bad to let things get under your skin just because its the internet' is wrong IMO. That should go for real life, and our everyday encounters with people, not just the internet. Just be real to who are actually are as a person ya know.
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#49 jg4xchamp
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Game Play Greater than Graphics

Then when you look at the other side of the equation, it seems some people erroneously try to undervalue the role graphics has in video games. And never forget that these are called video games. They are a highly visual medium. Yes it's very important to gave a solid foundation of game play, from comprehensive mechanics, to intuitive and fluid control, to good level design.

But the graphics serves as the primary engine for the player's interactivity with the game. And as outlined in the previous category, graphics is the canvas for the story, setting the atmosphere and emotion the developers wants the player to experience, as part of the game play. It's not about one being more important than the other between graphics and game play, it's that graphics are an integral part of the game play. They don't exist exclusively, but in fact serve to enable one another.

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ANyway I'll take my own crack at this again.

It's not so much as graphics don't matter. No one is honestly saying that. Graphics serve a large purpose in a medium, but to say it's on an equal level as gameplay(and I argued this in that other dudes thread, always forget his name, he posted in this thread) is just not true to be quite honest.

A game will live and die by it's game mechanics and it's gameplay. Sure you have exceptions to the rule. You have Bioshock and Half Life 2 that make up for poor game mechanics with pacing, level design, and exceptional presentations. That said the very back bone, heart and soul of a videogame is the gameplay and the game mechanics.

A game with great graphics and an exceptional story with attrocious gameplay isn't all that worth noting now is it? Again I'm not saying graphics don't matter, but I don't disagree with the people that say gameplay is more important. IF the game is not fun to play. If the game does not satisfy you with it's gameplay/mechanics. Than the game is missing the point of what a videogame it. Graphics, pacing, presentation, level design, audio(the most underrated part if anything about a game) all are elements of a great game, but the hear and soul of a great videogame is the great gameplay. I get what you're saying adobe, but I respectfully disagree with this one.

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]I think people SHOULD be passionate (if its how they really are). Just because its the "internet" doesn't exclude it from being real life. You are literally sitting and discussing things with other human beings. If you are one way with your personal friends, don't be afraid to open up and be yourself on the "internet".TREAL_Since
I mean take it personal. Be passionate about the debate, be passionate about the discussion. But don't act like the person did you some kind of injustice because he didn't agree. Some people here can't seperate themselves from their likes and preferences. As if it's a sin and a crime to dislike what they love. Argue all you want, but keep it in perspective. If someone on the internet is honestly getting under your skin that's not a good thing.

Oh, I thought that was obvious :P. I def. agree with keeping things into perspective. Some people here don't know how to. The notion of 'it's bad to let things get under your skin just because its the internet' is wrong IMO. That should go for real life, and our everyday encounters with people, not just the internet. Just be real to who are actually are as a person ya know.

I guess a better way of putting it is don't let the opinions of another person get to you so much. But yeah agreed no point in acting fake on the internet either. I just wanted to point out that it needs to be kept with some perspective.