Total worldwide sales. is 360 hitting a ceiling?

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Your forgetting many factors. Its simply unfair to dismiss the 360's current 'success' by saying its only marginally selling better than the original Xbox when in actuality, its an impressive feat given the situation that its in. Being the more expensive[Hardware and gameswise], riddled with hardware failures and a lack of that "Halo" game to push systems off the shelves during launch. It managed to sell 13 million without a "Halo" and pull their company out of debt while doing so in only 2 years.

RonnieLottinSF

Exactly. Also MS is poised to be up around 19 to 20 million units shipped to retail by the end of 2007. Last time I checked, the XBOX sold 25 million units in 5 years so that means by the end of 2008, the 360 should have surpassed XBOX sales in half the time.

Last time I checked, "one year' equalled twelve months, not fourteen, i.e. November 22, 2005 to November 22, 2006, NOT November 1, 2005 to December 31, 2006. You're counting months that should be counted in the Xbox 360's THIRD year, not its first.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Your forgetting many factors. Its simply unfair to dismiss the 360's current 'success' by saying its only marginally selling better than the original Xbox when in actuality, its an impressive feat given the situation that its in. Being the more expensive[Hardware and gameswise], riddled with hardware failures and a lack of that "Halo" game to push systems off the shelves during launch. It managed to sell 13 million without a "Halo" and pull their company out of debt while doing so in only 2 years.

RonnieLottinSF

Exactly. Also MS is poised to be up around 19 to 20 million units shipped to retail by the end of 2007. Last time I checked, the XBOX sold 25 million units in 5 years so that means by the end of 2008, the 360 should have surpassed XBOX sales in half the time.

Last time I checked, "one year' equalled twelve months, not fourteen, i.e. the Xbox 360's first two years covers November 22, 2005 to November 22, 2007, NOT November 1, 2005 to December 31, 2007 as you suggest. You're counting months that should be counted in the Xbox 360's THIRD year, not its second.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="Imallvol7"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="Imallvol7"][QUOTE="mastarifla"]Remember it was a launch year for Sony.... those are horrible sales for a launch year. 9 Million after the first year for Microsoft, 5.5 Million after the first year for Sony Which one did better now?mjarantilla

Depends on what criteria your basing your claims on. This year PS3 *may* be outselling the 360 worldwide..but if you rewind back to PS3's launch and include all those months, its a much different story in X360s favor.

I can use the "bu bu its matching it" excuse aswell and say that the X360 is beating the PS3 with horrible "33% failure rate" hardware.

Get off your snob filled pedistle, price has the least to do with it in this case. X360 launched with the highest console price of the last 15 years yet its still selling well because of its games. Its called value, not price. The number one complaint when the PS3 launch was its lack of justifiable software and the number 1 excuse today used by cows is "Just wait" in reference to its upcoming lineup of hopefully justifiable games.

Er, the 360 is not selling well at all. In fact, it's only a few million ahead of the original Xbox. 13 million in two years, whereas the original Xbox only sold 25 million in 5 years.

Your forgetting many factors. Its simply unfair to dismiss the 360's current 'success' by saying its only marginally selling better than the original Xbox when in actuality, its an impressive feat given the situation that its in. Being the more expensive[Hardware and gameswise], riddled with hardware failures and a lack of that "Halo" game to push systems off the shelves during launch. It managed to sell 13 million without a "Halo" and pull their company out of debt while doing so in only 2 years.

I'm not dismissing any factors. No one cares that it costs $400, and no one cares that it's overrun by hardware failures. At the end of the day, it's still selling poorly compared to its predecessors. Anything else is just an excuse that does no one any good.

EDIT: By "no one," I mean no one who works in the gaming industry. All they'll see at the end of the day is a console that has struggled to sell 13 million consoles in two years.

Is that why there are so many third party games coming to the 360? or the fact that the swoftware for the 360 sales are high?

all they see is 13 million.

Wow the ps3 has outsold the 360 this year without any of its big games out.i wonder how well the sales will be next year after the pirce cut, and FF, MGS, GT, Tekken are released....Bren128

Wow the 360 has out sold PS3 overrall since launch with a "33% failure rate" without any hardware revision. I wonder how well the sales will be once failure rates have flopped. "bu bu bu I can be teh narrow minded biased fanboy to"

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="Imallvol7"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="Imallvol7"][QUOTE="mastarifla"]Remember it was a launch year for Sony.... those are horrible sales for a launch year. 9 Million after the first year for Microsoft, 5.5 Million after the first year for Sony Which one did better now?Coyo7e

Depends on what criteria your basing your claims on. This year PS3 *may* be outselling the 360 worldwide..but if you rewind back to PS3's launch and include all those months, its a much different story in X360s favor.

I can use the "bu bu its matching it" excuse aswell and say that the X360 is beating the PS3 with horrible "33% failure rate" hardware.

Get off your snob filled pedistle, price has the least to do with it in this case. X360 launched with the highest console price of the last 15 years yet its still selling well because of its games. Its called value, not price. The number one complaint when the PS3 launch was its lack of justifiable software and the number 1 excuse today used by cows is "Just wait" in reference to its upcoming lineup of hopefully justifiable games.

Er, the 360 is not selling well at all. In fact, it's only a few million ahead of the original Xbox. 13 million in two years, whereas the original Xbox only sold 25 million in 5 years.

Your forgetting many factors. Its simply unfair to dismiss the 360's current 'success' by saying its only marginally selling better than the original Xbox when in actuality, its an impressive feat given the situation that its in. Being the more expensive[Hardware and gameswise], riddled with hardware failures and a lack of that "Halo" game to push systems off the shelves during launch. It managed to sell 13 million without a "Halo" and pull their company out of debt while doing so in only 2 years.

I'm not dismissing any factors. No one cares that it costs $400, and no one cares that it's overrun by hardware failures. At the end of the day, it's still selling poorly compared to its predecessors. Anything else is just an excuse that does no one any good.

EDIT: By "no one," I mean no one who works in the gaming industry. All they'll see at the end of the day is a console that has struggled to sell 13 million consoles in two years.

Is that why there are so many third party games coming to the 360? or the fact that the swoftware for the 360 sales are high?

all they see is 13 million.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="Imallvol7"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="Imallvol7"][QUOTE="mastarifla"]Remember it was a launch year for Sony.... those are horrible sales for a launch year. 9 Million after the first year for Microsoft, 5.5 Million after the first year for Sony Which one did better now?Coyo7e

Depends on what criteria your basing your claims on. This year PS3 *may* be outselling the 360 worldwide..but if you rewind back to PS3's launch and include all those months, its a much different story in X360s favor.

I can use the "bu bu its matching it" excuse aswell and say that the X360 is beating the PS3 with horrible "33% failure rate" hardware.

Get off your snob filled pedistle, price has the least to do with it in this case. X360 launched with the highest console price of the last 15 years yet its still selling well because of its games. Its called value, not price. The number one complaint when the PS3 launch was its lack of justifiable software and the number 1 excuse today used by cows is "Just wait" in reference to its upcoming lineup of hopefully justifiable games.

Er, the 360 is not selling well at all. In fact, it's only a few million ahead of the original Xbox. 13 million in two years, whereas the original Xbox only sold 25 million in 5 years.

Your forgetting many factors. Its simply unfair to dismiss the 360's current 'success' by saying its only marginally selling better than the original Xbox when in actuality, its an impressive feat given the situation that its in. Being the more expensive[Hardware and gameswise], riddled with hardware failures and a lack of that "Halo" game to push systems off the shelves during launch. It managed to sell 13 million without a "Halo" and pull their company out of debt while doing so in only 2 years.

I'm not dismissing any factors. No one cares that it costs $400, and no one cares that it's overrun by hardware failures. At the end of the day, it's still selling poorly compared to its predecessors. Anything else is just an excuse that does no one any good.

EDIT: By "no one," I mean no one who works in the gaming industry. All they'll see at the end of the day is a console that has struggled to sell 13 million consoles in two years.

Is that why there are so many third party games coming to the 360? or the fact that the swoftware for the 360 sales are high?

all they see is 13 million.

Almost all of those third party games began development at least a year before the 360 came out, back when all developers saw was a development platform virtually identical to the PC. The same goes for almost all of the PS3's current and to-be-released games, too, although in the PS3's case, all they saw was the PlayStation brand name. Those two factors are very attractive to third party devs with no hard numbers to justify starting up a new project.

On the other hand, you can probably count on one hand the number of new IPs announced for the PS3 and 360 in the last year.

[QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Your forgetting many factors. Its simply unfair to dismiss the 360's current 'success' by saying its only marginally selling better than the original Xbox when in actuality, its an impressive feat given the situation that its in. Being the more expensive[Hardware and gameswise], riddled with hardware failures and a lack of that "Halo" game to push systems off the shelves during launch. It managed to sell 13 million without a "Halo" and pull their company out of debt while doing so in only 2 years.

mjarantilla

Exactly. Also MS is poised to be up around 19 to 20 million units shipped to retail by the end of 2007. Last time I checked, the XBOX sold 25 million units in 5 years so that means by the end of 2008, the 360 should have surpassed XBOX sales in half the time.

Last time I checked, "one year' equalled twelve months, not fourteen, i.e. the Xbox 360's first two years covers November 22, 2005 to November 22, 2007, NOT November 1, 2005 to December 31, 2007 as you suggest. You're counting months that should be counted in the Xbox 360's THIRD year, not its second.

That wouldn't be months. That would be a month and one week if you want to get that technical about it. November 22, 2005 - November 22, 2007 = 2 years. Add in December and you are talking 25 months combined. Technically the 360 is only on its 2nd FULL holiday quarter, since it launched 2 months into the quarter back in 2005.

By end of June 2008, the 360 will have been on the market 2 years and 7 months or 31 months and will be pretty close to that 25 million number, especially with more price drops and games coming early in the year. By the end of 2008, it will have surpassed XBOX numbers in less than or right at 3 years. Good numbers IMO. Hell if you want I can throw in XBL numbers which have risen 250% since the 360's launch.

Yes the 360 is doing damn good IMO. Selling faster than the XBOX, XBL continues to grow by leaps and bounds and the gaming library continues to get better. :)

Remember it was a launch year for Sony.... those are horrible sales for a launch year. 9 Million after the first year for Microsoft, 5.5 Million after the first year for Sony Which one did better now?mastarifla

One it hasn't beena year for PS3. Two 360 didn't sell 9 million consoles until this year! Sony is nearly 6 million sold now and I exspect them to be near 9 million by the end of this year.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25382324

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Your forgetting many factors. Its simply unfair to dismiss the 360's current 'success' by saying its only marginally selling better than the original Xbox when in actuality, its an impressive feat given the situation that its in. Being the more expensive[Hardware and gameswise], riddled with hardware failures and a lack of that "Halo" game to push systems off the shelves during launch. It managed to sell 13 million without a "Halo" and pull their company out of debt while doing so in only 2 years.

RonnieLottinSF

Exactly. Also MS is poised to be up around 19 to 20 million units shipped to retail by the end of 2007. Last time I checked, the XBOX sold 25 million units in 5 years so that means by the end of 2008, the 360 should have surpassed XBOX sales in half the time.

Last time I checked, "one year' equalled twelve months, not fourteen, i.e. the Xbox 360's first two years covers November 22, 2005 to November 22, 2007, NOT November 1, 2005 to December 31, 2007 as you suggest. You're counting months that should be counted in the Xbox 360's THIRD year, not its second.

That wouldn't be months. That would be a month and one week if you want to get that technical about it. November 22, 2005 - November 22, 2007 = 2 years. Add in December and you are talking 25 months combined. Technically the 360 is only on its 2nd FULL holiday quarter, since it launched 2 months into the quarter back in 2005.

By end of June 2008, the 360 will have been on the market 2 years and 7 months or 31 months and will be pretty close to that 25 million number, especially with more price drops and games coming early in the year. By the end of 2008, it will have surpassed XBOX numbers in less than or right at 3 years. Good numbers IMO. Hell if you want I can throw in XBL numbers which have risen 250% since the 360's launch.

Yes the 360 is doing damn good IMO. Selling faster than the XBOX, XBL continues to grow by leaps and bounds and the gaming library continues to get better. :)

I have no doubt the 360 will surpass the Xbox, but that's a very, very low standard you're setting. I'm betting on the 360 selling 30-35 million in five years, but no more.

Well, if this is only retail numbers it's not very revealing.

I'm more interested in NPD data, or anything that projects what people are actually buying. For all we know a couple million PS3s or Xbox 360s are sitting in the warehouse.

[QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Your forgetting many factors. Its simply unfair to dismiss the 360's current 'success' by saying its only marginally selling better than the original Xbox when in actuality, its an impressive feat given the situation that its in. Being the more expensive[Hardware and gameswise], riddled with hardware failures and a lack of that "Halo" game to push systems off the shelves during launch. It managed to sell 13 million without a "Halo" and pull their company out of debt while doing so in only 2 years.

mjarantilla

Exactly. Also MS is poised to be up around 19 to 20 million units shipped to retail by the end of 2007. Last time I checked, the XBOX sold 25 million units in 5 years so that means by the end of 2008, the 360 should have surpassed XBOX sales in half the time.

Last time I checked, "one year' equalled twelve months, not fourteen, i.e. the Xbox 360's first two years covers November 22, 2005 to November 22, 2007, NOT November 1, 2005 to December 31, 2007 as you suggest. You're counting months that should be counted in the Xbox 360's THIRD year, not its second.

That wouldn't be months. That would be a month and one week if you want to get that technical about it. November 22, 2005 - November 22, 2007 = 2 years. Add in December and you are talking 25 months combined. Technically the 360 is only on its 2nd FULL holiday quarter, since it launched 2 months into the quarter back in 2005.

By end of June 2008, the 360 will have been on the market 2 years and 7 months or 31 months and will be pretty close to that 25 million number, especially with more price drops and games coming early in the year. By the end of 2008, it will have surpassed XBOX numbers in less than or right at 3 years. Good numbers IMO. Hell if you want I can throw in XBL numbers which have risen 250% since the 360's launch.

Yes the 360 is doing damn good IMO. Selling faster than the XBOX, XBL continues to grow by leaps and bounds and the gaming library continues to get better. :)

I have no doubt the 360 will surpass the Xbox, but that's a very, very low standard you're setting. I'm betting on the 360 selling 30-35 million in five years, but no more.

Doubtful. It will have hit 30 million by the end of next year. You will probably see another $50 price drop for the 360 right after the holiday season, like in February or March, then again at the end of the summer right before 2008 holiday season. With production costs coming down and the new falcons chips coming out, MS can afford to do this and still make money. Once they get down into that $200 to $250 range, it will sell like hotcakes and that is happening next year, as far as the Arcade and Premium systems go, while the Elite system will probably be near $300 by holiday next year.

I figure the 360 could double XBOX sales in 5 to 6years. Probably 45 to 50 million before the new MS console comes out in 2010 or 2011, although since MS made the 360 to make them money, unlike the Nvidia draining contract for the XBOX which caused them to dump it in 4 years, it could end up selling more over its entire lifecycle. XBL of course will be up around 20 million users by next gen so that is a solid user base to start with when it comes to their next console. :)

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Your forgetting many factors. Its simply unfair to dismiss the 360's current 'success' by saying its only marginally selling better than the original Xbox when in actuality, its an impressive feat given the situation that its in. Being the more expensive[Hardware and gameswise], riddled with hardware failures and a lack of that "Halo" game to push systems off the shelves during launch. It managed to sell 13 million without a "Halo" and pull their company out of debt while doing so in only 2 years.

RonnieLottinSF

Exactly. Also MS is poised to be up around 19 to 20 million units shipped to retail by the end of 2007. Last time I checked, the XBOX sold 25 million units in 5 years so that means by the end of 2008, the 360 should have surpassed XBOX sales in half the time.

Last time I checked, "one year' equalled twelve months, not fourteen, i.e. the Xbox 360's first two years covers November 22, 2005 to November 22, 2007, NOT November 1, 2005 to December 31, 2007 as you suggest. You're counting months that should be counted in the Xbox 360's THIRD year, not its second.

That wouldn't be months. That would be a month and one week if you want to get that technical about it. November 22, 2005 - November 22, 2007 = 2 years. Add in December and you are talking 25 months combined. Technically the 360 is only on its 2nd FULL holiday quarter, since it launched 2 months into the quarter back in 2005.

By end of June 2008, the 360 will have been on the market 2 years and 7 months or 31 months and will be pretty close to that 25 million number, especially with more price drops and games coming early in the year. By the end of 2008, it will have surpassed XBOX numbers in less than or right at 3 years. Good numbers IMO. Hell if you want I can throw in XBL numbers which have risen 250% since the 360's launch.

Yes the 360 is doing damn good IMO. Selling faster than the XBOX, XBL continues to grow by leaps and bounds and the gaming library continues to get better. :)

I have no doubt the 360 will surpass the Xbox, but that's a very, very low standard you're setting. I'm betting on the 360 selling 30-35 million in five years, but no more.

Doubtful. It will have hit 30 million by the end of next year. You will probably see another $50 price drop for the 360 right after the holiday season, like in February or March, then again at the end of the summer right before 2008 holiday season. With production costs coming down and the new falcons chips coming out, MS can afford to do this and still make money. Once they get down into that $200 to $250 range, it will sell like hotcakes and that is happening next year, as far as the Arcade and Premium systems go, while the Elite system will probably be near $300 by holiday next year.

I figure the 360 could double XBOX sales in 5 to 6years. Probably 45 to 50 million before the new MS console comes out in 2010 or 2011, although since MS made the 360 to make them money, unlike the Nvidia draining contract for the XBOX which caused them to dump it in 4 years, it could end up selling more over its entire lifecycle. XBL of course will be up around 20 million users by next gen so that is a solid user base to start with when it comes to their next console. :)

What makes you think its sales rate will double next year? The 360 has held a steady global sales rate of about 8 million per year over the last two years, and price drops are a fact of life, but they rarely result in anything more than a momentary boost. The original Xbox and PS2 proved this, as their sales rates remained rock-steady between 2001 and 2005, despite dropping to less than half their original price. Price drops reflect the natural depreciation of technology, not an increase in value.

I will admit, though, that I forgot that the original Xbox only lasted four years, whereas the 360 looks to last at least five or six years. So I suppose I should revise my statement and say that the 360 will sell 30-35 million in four years (the same time frame as the original Xbox), but should reach 40 million or so in five years.

[QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"]

Doubtful. It will have hit 30 million by the end of next year. You will probably see another $50 price drop for the 360 right after the holiday season, like in February or March, then again at the end of the summer right before 2008 holiday season. With production costs coming down and the new falcons chips coming out, MS can afford to do this and still make money. Once they get down into that $200 to $250 range, it will sell like hotcakes and that is happening next year, as far as the Arcade and Premium systems go, while the Elite system will probably be near $300 by holiday next year.

I figure the 360 could double XBOX sales in 5 to 6years. Probably 45 to 50 million before the new MS console comes out in 2010 or 2011, although since MS made the 360 to make them money, unlike the Nvidia draining contract for the XBOX which caused them to dump it in 4 years, it could end up selling more over its entire lifecycle. XBL of course will be up around 20 million users by next gen so that is a solid user base to start with when it comes to their next console. :)

mjarantilla

What makes you think its sales rate will double next year? The 360 has held a steady global sales rate of about 8 million per year over the last two years, and price drops are a fact of life, but they rarely result in anything more than a momentary boost. The original Xbox and PS2 proved this, as their sales rates remained rock-steady between 2001 and 2005, despite dropping to less than half their original price. Price drops reflect the natural depreciation of technology, not an increase in value.

I will admit, though, that I forgot that the original Xbox only lasted four years, whereas the 360 looks to last at least five or six years. So I suppose I should revise my statement and say that the 360 will sell 30-35 million in four years (the same time frame as the original Xbox), but should reach 40 million or so in five years.

:lol: Both of you guys are overly optomistic. 360 will be lucky to sale over 25 million before this generation is over. It sales have been going down every year since launch(did you not notice it only sold 3 million to date this year) and this will only get worse when the $399 PS3 arrives. M$ has no more major hitters Halo is out it's over for 360. It was good while it lasted. :roll:

Ps3 just by a bit and even with the price drop,wtf.

this is only temporary

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"]

Doubtful. It will have hit 30 million by the end of next year. You will probably see another $50 price drop for the 360 right after the holiday season, like in February or March, then again at the end of the summer right before 2008 holiday season. With production costs coming down and the new falcons chips coming out, MS can afford to do this and still make money. Once they get down into that $200 to $250 range, it will sell like hotcakes and that is happening next year, as far as the Arcade and Premium systems go, while the Elite system will probably be near $300 by holiday next year.

I figure the 360 could double XBOX sales in 5 to 6years. Probably 45 to 50 million before the new MS console comes out in 2010 or 2011, although since MS made the 360 to make them money, unlike the Nvidia draining contract for the XBOX which caused them to dump it in 4 years, it could end up selling more over its entire lifecycle. XBL of course will be up around 20 million users by next gen so that is a solid user base to start with when it comes to their next console. :)

-Renegade

What makes you think its sales rate will double next year? The 360 has held a steady global sales rate of about 8 million per year over the last two years, and price drops are a fact of life, but they rarely result in anything more than a momentary boost. The original Xbox and PS2 proved this, as their sales rates remained rock-steady between 2001 and 2005, despite dropping to less than half their original price. Price drops reflect the natural depreciation of technology, not an increase in value.

I will admit, though, that I forgot that the original Xbox only lasted four years, whereas the 360 looks to last at least five or six years. So I suppose I should revise my statement and say that the 360 will sell 30-35 million in four years (the same time frame as the original Xbox), but should reach 40 million or so in five years.

:lol: Both of you guys are overly optomistic. 360 will be lucky to sale over 25 million before this generation is over. It sales have been going down every year since launch(did you not notice it only sold 3 million to date this year) and this will only get worse when the $399 PS3 arrives. M$ has no more major hitters Halo is out it's over for 360. It was good while it lasted. :roll:

There have been only two years, so to say "it's been doing down every year since launch" is a little...much. Don't you think?

That said, I'm not surprised it's only sold 3 million to date. Of course, that does not include October sales spurred by Halo 3. I'm guessing another million in October in North America alone, maybe another half-million from overseas. The 360 had lower monthly sales last year, y'know, and between end of November 05 (launch) and end of November 06 it only managed 7 million. Now it has almost double that now, and will probably add even more to that by the end of November 07. So its sales aren't really going down as much as you say.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]I think the JRPG people are staying on the PS3. Besides Square-Enix putting a handful of spinoffs on the Wii, we still haven't seen a major JRPG franchise come over to the Wii, IIRC. And the 360 is receiving new JRPG IPs, but nothing established.Jandurin

The JRPGs are going more and more to handhelds, in much the same way established 2D franchises (Castlevania) have done in the past. When you're making a game that is more story than graphics driven, why put it on the console with 10 million gamers over the handheld with 50 million?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]I think the JRPG people are staying on the PS3. Besides Square-Enix putting a handful of spinoffs on the Wii, we still haven't seen a major JRPG franchise come over to the Wii, IIRC. And the 360 is receiving new JRPG IPs, but nothing established.subrosian

The JRPGs are going more and more to handhelds, in much the same way established 2D franchises (Castlevania) have done in the past. When you're making a game that is more story than graphics driven, why put it on the console with 10 million gamers over the handheld with 50 million?

What other major JRPGs have been announced for the DS other than FF remakes and DQ? I mean, I know DQ is the biggest thing in Japan, and a clear message to other JRPG developers which system SE is throwing its weight behind, but has anyone else signed on with similarly major announcements?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]I think the JRPG people are staying on the PS3. Besides Square-Enix putting a handful of spinoffs on the Wii, we still haven't seen a major JRPG franchise come over to the Wii, IIRC. And the 360 is receiving new JRPG IPs, but nothing established.subrosian

The JRPGs are going more and more to handhelds, in much the same way established 2D franchises (Castlevania) have done in the past. When you're making a game that is more story than graphics driven, why put it on the console with 10 million gamers over the handheld with 50 million?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"]

Doubtful. It will have hit 30 million by the end of next year. You will probably see another $50 price drop for the 360 right after the holiday season, like in February or March, then again at the end of the summer right before 2008 holiday season. With production costs coming down and the new falcons chips coming out, MS can afford to do this and still make money. Once they get down into that $200 to $250 range, it will sell like hotcakes and that is happening next year, as far as the Arcade and Premium systems go, while the Elite system will probably be near $300 by holiday next year.

I figure the 360 could double XBOX sales in 5 to 6years. Probably 45 to 50 million before the new MS console comes out in 2010 or 2011, although since MS made the 360 to make them money, unlike the Nvidia draining contract for the XBOX which caused them to dump it in 4 years, it could end up selling more over its entire lifecycle. XBL of course will be up around 20 million users by next gen so that is a solid user base to start with when it comes to their next console. :)

-Renegade

What makes you think its sales rate will double next year? The 360 has held a steady global sales rate of about 8 million per year over the last two years, and price drops are a fact of life, but they rarely result in anything more than a momentary boost. The original Xbox and PS2 proved this, as their sales rates remained rock-steady between 2001 and 2005, despite dropping to less than half their original price. Price drops reflect the natural depreciation of technology, not an increase in value.

I will admit, though, that I forgot that the original Xbox only lasted four years, whereas the 360 looks to last at least five or six years. So I suppose I should revise my statement and say that the 360 will sell 30-35 million in four years (the same time frame as the original Xbox), but should reach 40 million or so in five years.

:lol: Both of you guys are overly optomistic. 360 will be lucky to sale over 25 million before this generation is over. It sales have been going down every year since launch(did you not notice it only sold 3 million to date this year) and this will only get worse when the $399 PS3 arrives. M$ has no more major hitters Halo is out it's over for 360. It was good while it lasted. :roll:

it's really telling that you think a price drop will only help sony....

gawd...:lol:

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"]

Doubtful. It will have hit 30 million by the end of next year. You will probably see another $50 price drop for the 360 right after the holiday season, like in February or March, then again at the end of the summer right before 2008 holiday season. With production costs coming down and the new falcons chips coming out, MS can afford to do this and still make money. Once they get down into that $200 to $250 range, it will sell like hotcakes and that is happening next year, as far as the Arcade and Premium systems go, while the Elite system will probably be near $300 by holiday next year.

I figure the 360 could double XBOX sales in 5 to 6years. Probably 45 to 50 million before the new MS console comes out in 2010 or 2011, although since MS made the 360 to make them money, unlike the Nvidia draining contract for the XBOX which caused them to dump it in 4 years, it could end up selling more over its entire lifecycle. XBL of course will be up around 20 million users by next gen so that is a solid user base to start with when it comes to their next console. :)

mjarantilla

What makes you think its sales rate will double next year? The 360 has held a steady global sales rate of about 8 million per year over the last two years, and price drops are a fact of life, but they rarely result in anything more than a momentary boost. The original Xbox and PS2 proved this, as their sales rates remained rock-steady between 2001 and 2005, despite dropping to less than half their original price. Price drops reflect the natural depreciation of technology, not an increase in value.

I will admit, though, that I forgot that the original Xbox only lasted four years, whereas the 360 looks to last at least five or six years. So I suppose I should revise my statement and say that the 360 will sell 30-35 million in four years (the same time frame as the original Xbox), but should reach 40 million or so in five years.

:lol: Both of you guys are overly optomistic. 360 will be lucky to sale over 25 million before this generation is over. It sales have been going down every year since launch(did you not notice it only sold 3 million to date this year) and this will only get worse when the $399 PS3 arrives. M$ has no more major hitters Halo is out it's over for 360. It was good while it lasted. :roll:

There have been only two years, so to say "it's been doing down every year since launch" is a little...much. Don't you think?

That said, I'm not surprised it's only sold 3 million to date. Of course, that does not include October sales spurred by Halo 3. I'm guessing another million in October in North America alone, maybe another half-million from overseas. The 360 had lower monthly sales last year, y'know, and between end of November 05 (launch) and end of November 06 it only managed 7 million. Now it has almost double that now, and will probably add even more to that by the end of November 07. So its sales aren't really going down as much as you say.

Another milion :lol: there you go with that over optimism again. Like I said before 360 will be lucky to reach 15 million by years end.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]I think the JRPG people are staying on the PS3. Besides Square-Enix putting a handful of spinoffs on the Wii, we still haven't seen a major JRPG franchise come over to the Wii, IIRC. And the 360 is receiving new JRPG IPs, but nothing established.mjarantilla

The JRPGs are going more and more to handhelds, in much the same way established 2D franchises (Castlevania) have done in the past. When you're making a game that is more story than graphics driven, why put it on the console with 10 million gamers over the handheld with 50 million?

What other major JRPGs have been announced for the DS other than FF remakes and DQ? I mean, I know DQ is the biggest thing in Japan, and a clear message to other JRPG developers which system SE is throwing its weight behind, but has anyone else signed on with similarly major announcements?

Nippon Ichi putting Disgaea on the PSP is a big deal, as are Crisis Core and Dragon Quest. Keep in mind, the old franchises, well known to western audiences, aren't necessarily the most enjoyable or important games anymore either. The overfocus on "mainstream" titles can make you miss greatness, like the GBA's Golden Sun series.

Another milion :lol: there you go with that over optimism again. Like I said before 360 will be lucky to reach 15 million by years end.

-Renegade

:lol:

Are you joking? This has to be a joke. The 360 currently stands at 13.4 million shipped and around 12 to 12.5 million sold. Sales for this September, compared to last year, nearly tripled in America alone. They were up near 100K+ for August as well when compared to last year. They will certainly be up for October and November/December are the biggest selling months of the year for consoles so the 360 could be up around 1 million for November and well over 1 million for December.

You would have to be idiot to not believe the 360 won't ship more this holiday than last holiday, which was 4.4 or 4.5 million units WW. The 360 will probably be well closer to 6 million this holiday, meaning it will be up around 19 to 19.5million shipped by end of the 2007 and normally the adjustment for sale through is 1 to 1.5 million meaning, the 360 will have sold through around 18 million by end of 2007.

With the price being dropped more in 2008, more reliable hardware and a bigger gaming library, it would be shocking if the 360 didn't continue to do well on into 2008/2009.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="Imallvol7"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="Imallvol7"][QUOTE="mastarifla"]Remember it was a launch year for Sony.... those are horrible sales for a launch year. 9 Million after the first year for Microsoft, 5.5 Million after the first year for Sony Which one did better now?mjarantilla

Depends on what criteria your basing your claims on. This year PS3 *may* be outselling the 360 worldwide..but if you rewind back to PS3's launch and include all those months, its a much different story in X360s favor.

I can use the "bu bu its matching it" excuse aswell and say that the X360 is beating the PS3 with horrible "33% failure rate" hardware.

Get off your snob filled pedistle, price has the least to do with it in this case. X360 launched with the highest console price of the last 15 years yet its still selling well because of its games. Its called value, not price. The number one complaint when the PS3 launch was its lack of justifiable software and the number 1 excuse today used by cows is "Just wait" in reference to its upcoming lineup of hopefully justifiable games.

Er, the 360 is not selling well at all. In fact, it's only a few million ahead of the original Xbox. 13 million in two years, whereas the original Xbox only sold 25 million in 5 years.

Your forgetting many factors. Its simply unfair to dismiss the 360's current 'success' by saying its only marginally selling better than the original Xbox when in actuality, its an impressive feat given the situation that its in. Being the more expensive[Hardware and gameswise], riddled with hardware failures and a lack of that "Halo" game to push systems off the shelves during launch. It managed to sell 13 million without a "Halo" and pull their company out of debt while doing so in only 2 years.

I'm not dismissing any factors. No one cares that it costs $400, and no one cares that it's overrun by hardware failures. At the end of the day, it's still selling poorly compared to its predecessors. Anything else is just an excuse that does no one any good.

EDIT: By "no one," I mean no one who works in the gaming industry. All they'll see at the end of the day is a console that has struggled to sell 13 million consoles in two years.

Yes but that hardly matters as they aren't the ones that are buying the games or the system. In this race its all about the consumer, not the stock holder or the business owner and the consumer says that the 360 is doing better than the original Xbox is. Just because its not blowing it out of the water is no excuse for people to dismiss its current success and ignore all of its suppressive faults. It certainly has more than the original Xbox thats for sure.

PS. You edited your post :o What magic are you using:lol:
PSS. That is only helluva long double quote you got there.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]

At it's current price, it has.

Of course Microsoft still hasn't dropped the price of it's original SKUs, so if we see that happen in the next year, we can expect a new sales pattern. Same deal with the PS3. Their all just striving for that $200 sweet spot.

Juice_24

Good point. Its also a little crazy to say "ceiling" when there's so much time left in this generation. They are bound to sell millions more.

With all three consoles pretty much running on all cylinders, this holiday season on will be quite the fight.

Im under the impression that the majority of 360 owners are originalx-box owners. you only have to look at the games update for that. I dont see the hardcore ps2 RPG/dragonball zgeek crowd going to 360. Im convinced that the RPg momentum is now in the wiis favor.

Dont wanna sound uninformed but. Wha?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]Your forgetting many factors. Its simply unfair to dismiss the 360's current 'success' by saying its only marginally selling better than the original Xbox when in actuality, its an impressive feat given the situation that its in. Being the more expensive[Hardware and gameswise], riddled with hardware failures and a lack of that "Halo" game to push systems off the shelves during launch. It managed to sell 13 million without a "Halo" and pull their company out of debt while doing so in only 2 years.

Pro_wrestler

I'm not dismissing any factors. No one cares that it costs $400, and no one cares that it's overrun by hardware failures. At the end of the day, it's still selling poorly compared to its predecessors. Anything else is just an excuse that does no one any good.

EDIT: By "no one," I mean no one who works in the gaming industry. All they'll see at the end of the day is a console that has struggled to sell 13 million consoles in two years.

Yes but that hardly matters as they aren't the ones that are buying the games or the system. In this race its all about the consumer, not the stock holder or the business owner and the consumer says that the 360 is doing better than the original Xbox is. Just because its not blowing it out of the water is no excuse for people to dismiss its current success and ignore all of its suppressive faults. It certainly has more than the original Xbox thats for sure.

PS. You edited your post :o What magic are you using:lol:
PSS. That is only helluva long double quote you got there.

Consumers don't care about how well a console is faring in the overall market. They only care that they're getting their money's worth, i.e. that they're getting the games they want. But who decides what games to put on a system? Publishers, of course. And what influences publishers? Obviously, total sales. Or, to be more specific, total profit. And to those motivated by profit, excuses are meaningless. They will simply move on to greener pastures. How well the 360 does compared to past consoles is meaningless, unless it somehow plays a factor in future development (which it likely does not).

PS: Ancient magic. :| Far beyond the ken of mere mortals such as yourself. :twisted: (I always wanted to say that. :D)

PPS: It's PPS, not PSS. it stands for Post-Post-Script. :P Now edit your mistake!