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#1 hot114
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It apears that microsoft has taken a liking to the business of traditional MMO farmers in that gamers are willing to pay for readily available game content in the form of experience and cash

Source: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/08/22/vesperia-buy-levels-gold-on-marketplace

Microsofts milking has risen to new levels, instead of charging money for content that "should" have been in the game at release they are now selling content that IS already in the game :D

Edit: It has been noted that scamco is responsible as the developer of the game however they require micro$ofts co-operation to host theyr product on the marketplace who on theyr terms has reviewed the content for it to meet mircro$oft standarts

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#2 Tykain
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I wouldn't be surprised to see that for a mmo, but a singleplayer rpg ? That's ridiculous.
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It apears that microsoft has taken a liking to the business of traditional MMO farmers in that gamers are willing to pay for readily available game content in the form of experience and cash

Source:Microsofts milking has risen to new levels, instead of charging money for content that "should" have been in the game at release they are now selling content that IS already in the game :D

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Hahahahahaa. That's like buying gold in WoW. Except it's sanctified. How lame do you have to be to pay money to progress faster?
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#4 Mystery_Writer
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most codemasters games have cheat codes that you can purchase from their website. what's so different about this one?
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#5 Vandalvideo
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Play a Tales game and you'd understand the reasons behind these. I mean, when the max level is 250 10 levels isn't going to make much of a difference.
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most code masters games have cheat codes where you can purchase from their website. what's so different about this one?Mystery_Writer
what's a code masters game?
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#7 Krigon
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Don't think you should blame Microsoft. Blame Scamco bandai!
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Play a Tales game and you'd understand the reasons behind these. I mean, when the max level is 250 10 levels isn't going to make much of a difference. Vandalvideo

well if you are 240, 10 levels could save alot of time.

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#9 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Play a Tales game and you'd understand the reasons behind these. I mean, when the max level is 250 10 levels isn't going to make much of a difference. Cyberfairy

well if you are 240, 10 levels could save alot of time.

If you're level 240 in Tales then you have no reason to even get to level 250, let alone pay the money. -_-
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[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]most code masters games have cheat codes where you can purchase from their website. what's so different about this one?Jandurin
what's a code masters game?

He meant the dev house, Codemasters.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Play a Tales game and you'd understand the reasons behind these. I mean, when the max level is 250 10 levels isn't going to make much of a difference. Cyberfairy

well if you are 240, 10 levels could save alot of time.

Why not purchase a patch that finishes the game for you while you'r at it. It doesn't make much of a difference it's just a game that takes away valuable time.

Namco (scamco) is approaching DLC the wrong way. They have done it with their previous titles as well.

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#13 ocinom
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Why? you don't need to pay so where's the milking. Are they selling the final level? No theyr not so LOL at thread
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#14 angelkimne
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Meh. I hope no-one buys this, they shouldn't encourage Namco.
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#15 -DrRobotnik-
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How is this a surprise, EA done this with the Godfather as well
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Meh. I hope no-one buys this, they shouldn't encourage MS.angelkimne

They shouldn't buy it for that reason alone. They shouldn't buy it because it takes fun away from the game.

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[QUOTE="angelkimne"]Meh. I hope no-one buys this, they shouldn't encourage MS.sammyjenkis898

They shouldn't buy it for that reason alone. They shouldn't buy it because it takes fun away from the game.

They shouldn't buy it because it's LUNACY. You spend this much for a game, and then spend more to NOT PLAY IT. LOLOLOL
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Why are people blaming Microsoft for Namco's greedyness? If you are going to accuse someone of something at least blame the right people.
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#19 sammyjenkis898
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Why are people blaming Microsoft for Namco's greedyness? If you are going to accuse someone of something at least blame the right people.heretrix

Exactly.

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#20 Shafftehr
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Meh. I hope no-one buys this, they shouldn't encourage MS.angelkimne


If someone buys it, someone wanted it... So why not let them have it?

Question to everyone who is flipping out over this: who's putting the gun to your head forcing you to drop a single penny on this? No-one? Good. Then the only people who pay for it will be those who wanted it - and who are you to tell them what they do or do not want?
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and who are you to tell them what they do or do not want?Shafftehr
someone who knows better than them I'd say the same to anyone buying gold in WoW or similar things. Or how about buying someone else's character? >_> So lame. Not the point of the game :(
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#23 hot114
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Meh. I hope no-one buys this, they shouldn't encourage MS.angelkimne

Exactly my thoughts, that they put it on the market place is laughable but if this actually catches on it would be a change for the worse.

Play a Tales game and you'd understand the reasons behind these. I mean, when the max level is 250 10 levels isn't going to make much of a difference. Vandalvideo

As a fan of the Disgaea games your argument falls on deaf ears (hell leveling and customising is half the fun in a rpg)

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#24 HappyAppe
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]Why are people blaming Microsoft for Namco's greedyness? If you are going to accuse someone of something at least blame the right people.sammyjenkis898

Exactly.

Why blame Namco? Blame the people who purchase such ridiculous things for supporting products like this.

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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]and who are you to tell them what they do or do not want?Jandurin
someone who knows better than them I'd say the same to anyone buying gold in WoW or similar things. Or how about buying someone else's character? >_> So lame. Not the point of the game :(



No, you don't know what they want better than they do. And you know how I know that? Because I know your opinion better than you do. Don't argue - your points are idiotic. I simply know what you think better than you do, and you're not even clever enough to realize it.
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#26 FirstDiscovery
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Youre right, MS developed and published this game
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No, you don't know what they want better than they do. And you know how I know that? Because I know your opinion better than you do. Don't argue - your points are idiotic. I simply know what you think better than you do, and you're not even clever enough to realize it.Shafftehr
I don't think you get the point. And I highly doubt even if you knew me in person that you could know what I think, at all. I'm not a terribly ordinary person. I've never met anyone that could follow what I thought for more than half a second. But, you're welcome to believe what you will. I mean, can you even tell when I'm being serious or just having a laugh? I'm gonna guess no, but I can't be sure, because, you know what? I'm not arrogant like that.
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#28 SapSacPrime
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This isn't milking its optional, you can play the game normally this s just for the lazy spoilt rich kids among us that want the achievement's faster or something.
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#29 vlin1108
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So now you have to pay to be able to cheat in a video game?

Nice adds on that page by the way. Lady Lolicon teacher anyone?

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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]No, you don't know what they want better than they do. And you know how I know that? Because I know your opinion better than you do. Don't argue - your points are idiotic. I simply know what you think better than you do, and you're not even clever enough to realize it.Jandurin
I don't think you get the point. And I highly doubt even if you knew me in person that you could know what I think, at all. I'm not a terribly ordinary person. I've never met anyone that could follow what I thought for more than half a second. But, you're welcome to believe what you will. I mean, can you even tell when I'm being serious or just having a laugh? I'm gonna guess no, but I can't be sure, because, you know what? I'm not arrogant like that.



And as you've pretty clearly demonstrated, the people who are buying these levels from Namco are people you don't understand - otherwise, you'd get their reasoning and understand why they're perfectly willing to drop cash on something like this thread is talking about.

But don't worry, you're just as unique and special a person as you think you are. You're also not at all arrogant.
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#31 milsvaard
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I actually saw that last night, 300 MSpoints for 300,000 Gold. That's absurd.
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What has Microsoft to do with it?

Do you know they are the devs who decide if and how much they charge for additional content?

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And as you've pretty clearly demonstrated, the people who are buying these levels from Namco are people you don't understandShafftehr
You really think I don't understand the reasoning?
otherwise, you'd get their reasoning and understand why they're perfectly willing to drop cash on something like this thread is talking about.Shafftehr
I guess not.
But don't worry, you're just as unique and special a person as you think you are.Shafftehr
I know it's true because my mommy told me so.
You're also not at all arrogant.Shafftehr
Nope. That would imply some sort of lack of perfection.
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:lol: Lemmings are the cows of this generation.
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#36 mr_mozilla
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That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Selling cheats is the lamest of lame, only bying them is lamer. Btw, swimsuit photos of disturbingly young looking girls, wtf is that site?
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First off: I think you're as stupid as you're actingShafftehr
Fair enough. At least I don't waste my money. Or make people cry on the internets like a big mean bully. At least you don't have to pay extra to be a bully, eh? Must be nice.
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:lol: Lemmings are the cows of this generation.kingfire11

Care to explain?

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funny how you seem to be all against being judgmental, and yet...
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#40 hot114
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What has Microsoft to do with it?

Do you know they are the devs who decide if and how much they charge for additional content?

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The service is being supplied through micro$ofts market place, anything that goes through there is first reviewed to make sure certain standarts are upheld. Take the article where braid dev was complaining about the price enforced by microsoft for example.

Scamco can not offer these products without mirco$ofts consent and partial guidance.

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It apears that microsoft has taken a liking to the business of traditional MMO farmers in that gamers are willing to pay for readily available game content in the form of experience and cash

Source: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/08/22/vesperia-buy-levels-gold-on-marketplace

Microsofts milking has risen to new levels, instead of charging money for content that "should" have been in the game at release they are now selling content that IS already in the game :D

hot114

Will you people learn what the hell Milking means. Milking mean's they force you to buy something, this is obviously optional and is no where close to milking. Sure it's a horrible idea, but not milking.

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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]First off: I think you're as stupid as you're actingJandurin
Fair enough. At least I don't waste my money. Or make people cry on the internets like a big mean bully. At least you don't have to pay extra to be a bully, eh? Must be nice.



Yep. And I figured that out before I wasted 40,000 posts of my life in this place. Of course, someone who has done something so monumentally idiotic is that is well within their rights to criticize someone spending a few bucks so they can max out a character without tons of meaningless grind. So they could, you know, go outside or something? I can see how that idea might be foreign to you.
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#43 MyopicCanadian
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What does it matter? Buying levels and buying gold doesn't win the game for you... it'll help you out if you need it. I'm sure a lot of people have fun grinding levels in fantasy games for hours on end, but that's not for me. I'm at a point right now in ToV where I could use a bunch of levels to help out, since I'm getting my ass kicked. I don't like DLC in general, so I'm gonna grind those levels away in the nearest dungeon, but I can see why someone would spend a few bucks to help them out :)

As someone else said, it's not like they're selling the last level of the game. It shouldn't matter to you if you don't use it.

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#44 hot114
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[QUOTE="hot114"]snip

justforlotr2004

Will you people learn what the hell Milking means. Milking mean's they force you to buy something, this is obviously optional and is no where close to milking. Sure it's a horrible idea, but not milking.


Allright my english vocabulary may be limited somewhat i dont mind changing the headline if you can supply me with an adequate alternative.
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And how is this MS' fault?
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Yep. And I figured that out before I wasted 40,000 posts of my life in this place. Of course, someone who has done something so monumentally idiotic is that is well within their rights to criticize someone spending a few bucks so they can max out a character without tons of meaningless grind. So they could, you know, go outside or something? I can see how that idea might be foreign to you.Shafftehr
I didn't accumulate 40,000 posts because I was trying to shortcut to some endgame content :lol: I accumulated them because I was enjoying provoking thoughts and reactions, and having conversations with enjoyable people. You really just have no idea, friend. You used to have a different username, and you were okay, if arrogant then. I'm sorry for whatever has happened in your life to cause this extra bitterness. You don't need to have a high number of posts to spend a lot of time here, and you don't have to spend a lot of time here, to have no life, and you CAN spend a lot of time here, and still have a plenty good life. Next you'll be telling me you could beat me up in RL, or that you're gonna call your dad and have him come over and beat up my dad :?
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[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="hot114"]snip

hot114

Will you people learn what the hell Milking means. Milking mean's they force you to buy something, this is obviously optional and is no where close to milking. Sure it's a horrible idea, but not milking.


Allright my english vocabulary may be limited somewhat i dont mind changing the headline if you can supply me with an adequate alternative.

Something along the lines of New DLC allows you to up your levels and gold in TalesoV for points (real monies :o)
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#48 Marcus-360
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then dont buy it.

duh

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#49 justforlotr2004
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[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="hot114"]snip

hot114

Will you people learn what the hell Milking means. Milking mean's they force you to buy something, this is obviously optional and is no where close to milking. Sure it's a horrible idea, but not milking.


Allright my english vocabulary may be limited somewhat i dont mind changing the headline if you can supply me with an adequate alternative.

It's not just you, it's just about everyone in the thread and in any other thread that is talking about milking.

There are a lot more fitting titles than milking.

"Micro$oft taking DLC to new levels"

"Micro$oft taking DLC to extreme levels"

"Micro$oft taking DLC to a new low"

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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Yep. And I figured that out before I wasted 40,000 posts of my life in this place. Of course, someone who has done something so monumentally idiotic is that is well within their rights to criticize someone spending a few bucks so they can max out a character without tons of meaningless grind. So they could, you know, go outside or something? I can see how that idea might be foreign to you.Jandurin
I didn't accumulate 40,000 posts because I was trying to shortcut to some endgame content :lol: I accumulated them because I was enjoying provoking thoughts and reactions, and having conversations with enjoyable people. You really just have no idea, friend. You used to have a different username, and you were okay, if arrogant then. I'm sorry for whatever has happened in your life to cause this extra bitterness. You don't need to have a high number of posts to spend a lot of time here, and you don't have to spend a lot of time here, to have no life, and you CAN spend a lot of time here, and still have a plenty good life. Next you'll be telling me you could beat me up in RL, or that you're gonna call your dad and have him come over and beat up my dad :?



I have a pretty good idea, thanks. Also, I think the idea behind this DLC is that some people enjoy grinding to the top, some people find level grinding fairly empty. You choose, and pay if you want.

Oh, and I could beat up your dad. Don't need to bother mine.