trophies vs gamerscore... achivs win

ok yes i know there the same thing so before you start complaining please realize im taking about the way that each trophy/ach is weighed and counted.

achs win and this is why.

only lv 24

as you lv up it becomes harder and harder to lv up again. The number 1 ps3 user who has 75 plat trophies (perfected games) is only two lv away from

who has 52 perfected (plats) games. Unless sony decides to change the way trophies weigh on the lv progression then soon most gamers will be clumped together around the same lv.

Achievements system is rather simple but at least with numbers you can see the clear diff between someone who is a hardcore core, casual and someone who just has no life.

It makes me sad as a lv 7 that the amount of effort just to get 15 lvs up is 75 perfected games. The trophy system needs the trophy wieght changed so mr:Hakoom is a lv 200 and its made easier for ppl to tell the diff between a gamer with clearly no job or need for sleep and a simple causal

That and all 360 games have achievements.

This again :x

Anyway, if you want an honest answer about this... I prefer lvls to having a meaningless score. "lolwut I have 37586437576 GS"

Having big figures doesn't look cool IMO and in the end of the gen, it'll get ridiculuos for those achievement whores: 9086797576438654365386536539760875 GS!!!!

I'm gonna file this under "not an issue" unless you want to be the World No1 trophy whore

I'm gonna file this under "not an issue" unless you want to be the World No1 trophy whore

Zaibach

im not a trophy whore i just dont like the fact that 1 trophy will only get me 0.000001 percent closer to lvin up

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

I'm gonna file this under "not an issue" unless you want to be the World No1 trophy whore

BlackTragedy

im not a trophy whore i just dont like the fact that 1 trophy will only get me 0.000001 percent closer to lvin up

Also, MGS4, the top PS3 games doesnt even have trophies which is ridiculous if you ask me.Nidget

Also, MGS4, the top PS3 games doesnt even have trophies which is ridiculous if you ask me.Nidget

[QUOTE="Nidget"]Also, MGS4, the top PS3 games doesnt even have trophies which is ridiculous if you ask me.sherman-tank1

Trouble is, some of my friends rent games like 50 cent, Terminator: Salvation, Fight Night round 3 etc... And those games add up to 3000 without much effort.

rated trophies seem to be better than achievements because it's more standardised. Getting 1000 for a game like FNR3 and then 1000 on GTAIV is two very different scenarios.

Acheivements are much better enforced and trophies are shameless rip-offs. But aside from that I dont think it really matters too much.

Acheivements are much better enforced and trophies are shameless rip-offs. But aside from that I dont think it really matters too much.

bobcheeseball

They are the same thing:|. Only a fanboy or just plan hater would think one is better then the other.

The trophy system is much deeper

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

Acheivements are much better enforced and trophies are shameless rip-offs. But aside from that I dont think it really matters too much.

They are the same thing:|. Only a fanboy or just plan hater would think one is better then the other.

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

[QUOTE="Nidget"]Also, MGS4, the top PS3 games doesnt even have trophies which is ridiculous if you ask me.Nidget

Yea that was cause sony said they werent forcing devs to do it on old games because they would be proboly be busy with a current project. It was more like a choice untill 09 that is.

Also, MGS4, the top PS3 games doesnt even have trophies which is ridiculous if you ask me.Nidget

Tbh that isnt really an issue...Yes a lot of games have been patched but some have outright refused (IW and COD) and others havent stated.The game was brought out prior to trophy's.Also most likely they started work on peace walker and would have seen it as a waste of crucial developement time to patch in trophys.

When you think about what was patched and when its all about developer time sheets.I know uncharted was patched but it really just hooks in off the ig awards (find treasures,hshots etc.) MGS could have done the same but a lot of players would find it a bit too extreme to be able to platinum and then we would have complaints of it being an afterthought.

Funny how Sony made trophies in response to gamerscore....

I disagree.

*Points at sig*

They both have merits, for sure. I've done this topic to death.

Funny how Sony made trophies in response to gamerscore....

Yankees718

Well it was a smart business move. PS3 owners knew about and liked the achievement system and wanted it. So sony did it. SO they can say we have a system like that too.

Funny how Sony made trophies in response to gamerscore....

Yankees718

Funny how M$ made a XBOX in response to the Playstation.

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Competition pushes both companies, be thankful and be more balanced in your views.

People complained, Sony delivered, isn't that the right thing to do?

You play with a 360 controller, using two analog sticks, didn't it ever strike you that the twin analog scheme came from the Dual Shock 1? Or that the Analog stick solo was inspired by the N64?

M$ came in with the intention of maintaining and improving, what do you expect Sony to do, nothing?

These companies are better because of each other, so you should be happy, I am. :)

They're the same principle...who cares.

[QUOTE="Yankees718"]

Funny how Sony made trophies in response to gamerscore....

SolidTy

Funny how M$ made a 360 in response to the Playstation 2.

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A competition the 360 continues to struggle with even as we speak. lol :lol:

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Yankees718"]

Funny how Sony made trophies in response to gamerscore....

GreenGoblin2099

Funny how M$ made a 360 in response to the Playstation 2.

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A competition the 360 continues to struggle with even as we speak. lol :lol:

Oh dear, another fanboy...*shakes head*

I think trophies and achievements are the smartest things that the companies have come up with. It gives gamers direction for what to do in the game, and gives them reason to replay it. I probably wouldn't play games like LBP at all if I didn't want to get the Play, Create and Share trophies and the platty.

And trophies are better. If you actually know how trophies go, you know that at that high of a level, trying to increase your percentage is a beast. I was at level 5 and I'm still at level 5 even after getting 60+ trophies from Burnout Paradise, mostly because many of them are bronze, but I got plenty of silvers and a couple golds. Plus, Gamerscores don't tell you anything. I'd rather see that I have 500 bronze, 150 silver, 50 gold, and 10 platinum trophies instead of seeing 50000 points.

Funny how Sony made trophies in response to gamerscore....

Yankees718

If Sony did not implement the system it would be "PSN is teh fail, no achivements"

[QUOTE="Yankees718"]

Funny how Sony made trophies in response to gamerscore....

thelastguy

If Sony did not implement the system it would be "PSN is teh fail, no achivements"

I know, i'm just simply pointing it out

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Funny how M$ made a 360 in response to the Playstation 2.

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Yankees718

Fix'd

A competition the 360 continues to struggle with even as we speak. lol :lol:

Oh dear, another fanboy...*shakes head*

That's the exact same thing I thought when I read your post, you know?? :roll:

And no, I'm no fanboy.

[QUOTE="thelastguy"]

[QUOTE="Yankees718"]

Funny how Sony made trophies in response to gamerscore....

Yankees718

If Sony did not implement the system it would be "PSN is teh fail, no achivements"

I know, i'm just simply pointing it out

Don't act like a fanboy

You said it, not me.

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

Acheivements are much better enforced and trophies are shameless rip-offs. But aside from that I dont think it really matters too much.

finalfantasy94

They are the same thing:|. Only a fanboy or just plan hater would think one is better then the other.

I think you interpreted what i said wrong. I never said any was better then the other hence I said

"But aside from that I dont think it really matters too much"

The only advantages Achievements have is that all games have them.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

Acheivements are much better enforced and trophies are shameless rip-offs. But aside from that I dont think it really matters too much.

bobcheeseball

They are the same thing:|. Only a fanboy or just plan hater would think one is better then the other.

I think you interpreted what i said wrong. I never said any was better then the other hence I said

"But aside from that I dont think it really matters too much"

The only advantages Achievements have is that all games have them.

How can i interpet this wrong "Acheivements are much better enforced and trophies are shameless rip-offs" really shameless

Trophies are great on paper, but achievements are seamless and much better implemented.

Achievements are in every single retail game AND arcade game. Guaranteed. Not so with PS3 games. Looks like this difference will always be in place.

Achievements are auto-updated and the data is publicly available. Trophies require a synch process and to update your Portable ID, you have to go to Playstation.com and hit a button.

This again :x

Anyway, if you want an honest answer about this... I prefer lvls to having a meaningless score. "lolwut I have 37586437576 GS"

Having big figures doesn't look cool IMO and in the end of the gen, it'll get ridiculuos for those achievement whores: 9086797576438654365386536539760875 GS!!!!

GreenGoblin2099

I guess that would make sense if people had such high scores, but is it really that hard for you to see the difference between 50,000 GS and 22,000 GS?

and complaining about big figures is silly, big or small whether its achievements or trophies, a number is a number. 50,000 GS or 22 lvl its still something you compare.

I'm at 31,600 don't know what that means to you, but to me its just fun.

Trophies are great on paper, but achievements are seamless and much better implemented.

Achievements are in every single retail game AND arcade game. Guaranteed. Not so with PS3 games. Looks like this difference will always be in place.

Achievements are auto-updated and the data is publicly available.Trophies require a synch process and to update your Portable ID, you have to go to Playstation.com and hit a button.

VoodooHak

All PS3 games released after January 1, 2009 are required to have trophies, so most PSN games have them.

Trophies take a couple seconds to update, maybe a little longer if you never look at them and have to update 100s of them. And the data is publicly available.

Wow, you have to click a button to update your portable ID, which everyone has.:roll: Such a small detail.

[QUOTE="Yankees718"]

Funny how Sony made trophies in response to gamerscore....

SolidTy

Funny how M$ made a XBOX in response to the Playstation.

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Competition pushes both companies, be thankful and be more balanced in your views.

People complained, Sony delivered, isn't that the right thing to do?

You play with a 360 controller, using two analog sticks, didn't it ever strike you that the twin analog scheme came from the Dual Shock 1? Or that the Analog stick solo was inspired by the N64?

M$ came in with the intention of maintaining and improving, what do you expect Sony to do, nothing?

These companies are better because of each other, so you should be happy, I am. :)

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

This again :x

Anyway, if you want an honest answer about this... I prefer lvls to having a meaningless score. "lolwut I have 37586437576 GS"

Having big figures doesn't look cool IMO and in the end of the gen, it'll get ridiculuos for those achievement whores: 9086797576438654365386536539760875 GS!!!!

LEGEND_C4A

I guess that would make sense if people had such high scores, but is it really that hard for you to see the difference between 50,000 GS and 22,000 GS?

and complaining about big figures is silly, big or small whether its achievements or trophies, a number is a number. 50,000 GS or 22 lvl its still something you compare.

I'm at 31,600 don't know what that means to you, but to me its just fun.

[QUOTE="thelastguy"]

[QUOTE="Yankees718"]

Funny how Sony made trophies in response to gamerscore....

Yankees718

If Sony did not implement the system it would be "PSN is teh fail, no achivements"

I know, i'm just simply pointing it out

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Trophies are great on paper, but achievements are seamless and much better implemented.

Achievements are in every single retail game AND arcade game. Guaranteed. Not so with PS3 games. Looks like this difference will always be in place.

Achievements are auto-updated and the data is publicly available.Trophies require a synch process and to update your Portable ID, you have to go to Playstation.com and hit a button.

AndyAlfredo

All PS3 games released after January 1, 2009 are required to have trophies, so most PSN games have them.

Trophies take a couple seconds to update, maybe a little longer if you never look at them and have to update 100s of them. And the data is publicly available.

Wow, you have to click a button to update your portable ID, which everyone has.:roll: Such a small detail.

The devil's in the details.

Games 2009 and after is not ALL games. Most PSN games is not ALL of them.

Is the data publicly available? Is that why many of the Trophy sites still require manual updates from the end user?

A little bit of waiting. Having to go to a website to update you portable ID. With the way achievements are set up, it's not even a second thought. It all updates on the fly without me having to lift a finger.

It's a great example of how Sony didn't think it all the way through.... nor did they think of it in time to enact a standard from day 1.

[QUOTE="AndyAlfredo"]

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Trophies are great on paper, but achievements are seamless and much better implemented.

Achievements are in every single retail game AND arcade game. Guaranteed. Not so with PS3 games. Looks like this difference will always be in place.

Achievements are auto-updated and the data is publicly available.Trophies require a synch process and to update your Portable ID, you have to go to Playstation.com and hit a button.

VoodooHak

All PS3 games released after January 1, 2009 are required to have trophies, so most PSN games have them.

Trophies take a couple seconds to update, maybe a little longer if you never look at them and have to update 100s of them. And the data is publicly available.

Wow, you have to click a button to update your portable ID, which everyone has.:roll: Such a small detail.

The devil's in the details.

Games 2009 and after is not ALL games. Most PSN games is not ALL of them.

Is the data publicly available? Is that why many of the Trophy sites still require manual updates from the end user?

A little bit of waiting. Having to go to a website to update you portable ID. With the way achievements are set up, it's not even a second thought. It all updates on the fly without me having to lift a finger.

It's a great example of how Sony didn't think it all the way through.... nor did they think of it in time to enact a standard from day 1.

They weren't prepared with PSN, either. The reason they didn't have time for this is because they had to think about a centralized Playstation internet system before anything else. If PSN had been around for 5 years more maybe they would have time to think about these things. We haven't even had Playstation Store that long. Achievements are solid, but that should be obvious considering they've had longer to think about them.

Trophies are great on paper, but achievements are seamless and much better implemented.

Achievements are in every single retail game AND arcade game. Guaranteed. Not so with PS3 games. Looks like this difference will always be in place.

Achievements are auto-updated and the data is publicly available. Trophies require a synch process and to update your Portable ID, you have to go to Playstation.com and hit a button.

VoodooHak

Its kinda silly to use that against trophies since it didint go into madentory effect till 09. It just makes people look silly saying "well its 2010 and ps3 games from 06/07 still dont have trophies" Well no freaking duh it didint exist.Also its not hard or long to synch trophies. Press X on trophy button and thats it. Your making it seems much more harder then it is.

[QUOTE="thelastguy"]

[QUOTE="Yankees718"]

Funny how Sony made trophies in response to gamerscore....

If Sony did not implement the system it would be "PSN is teh fail, no achivements"

I know, i'm just simply pointing it out

Neither trophies or achievements have any significant meaning as far as ranking players. I don't particularly prefer one to the other.

[QUOTE="Yankees718"]

[QUOTE="thelastguy"]

If Sony did not implement the system it would be "PSN is teh fail, no achivements"

Sollet

I know, i'm just simply pointing it out

So i'm not allowed to bash any system? Just because your a ps3 fanboy?