the only thing I was thinking while watching the debut trailer to skyward sword is 'same old zelda..'. Instead of coming up with a truly original artstyle, it looks like nintendo just lazily combined the artstyles of wind waker and twilight princess, taking the worst aspects of both. It lacks wind waker's fluid painting-in-motion style, and it still has the same outdated, stiff animation and flat textures from Twilight princess. All they really added was the 1.1 sword controls, and after seeing some move and kinect stuff doing the exact same thing (see sorcery) it isnt all that impressive. No voice acting, again *sigh*. I just wish Nintendo would have the balls to take zelda in a new direction. Something darker, more story-driven. Doesn't look like that's gonna happen anytime soon since hardcore zelda fans dont seem to want evolution, and are content with the same old thing..
True or False: Halo hasn't evolved, God Of War hasn't evolved, Gears hasn't evolved, MGS hasn't evolved. :roll: Zelda has better gameplay mechanics / level / dungeon design then pretty much every game out there. Stop hating. :|
You're forgetting Majora's Mask, and I don't see how WW's art style wasn't original for its time as well. And we don't know whether or not there is voice acting.
I think they should have kept the TP graphics engine and build on it and make it better. This was the chance for the Zelda games to really evolve to the next level. But if anything, this game looks like a step back IMO. It doesn't look anywhere near as good as TP, both gameplay wise and graphic wise.
True or False: Halo hasn't evolved, God Of War hasn't evolved, Gears hasn't evolved, MGS hasn't evolved. :roll: Zelda has better gameplay mechanics / level / dungeon design then pretty much every game out there. Stop hating. :|WhenCicadasCry
MGS actually evolved. It just wasn't the right way.
How do you know there is no voice acting? There was no story in the demo.
GreenGoblin2099
As I see it, VA is a big factor worth mentioning. If SS had it, I'm surewe would've known by now.
When Nintendo was asked if it did they ignored the question. You can take it 2 ways. They wanted to hold it for later, or there isn't voice acting, and they didn't want to say no. I'm going with the second option. It probably isn't a bad thing. The few Nintendo games with voice acting had bad voice acting. The new Kid Icarus shows that it hasn't changed either. Well...It's not awful awful, but the voices are annoying.
[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]True or False: Halo hasn't evolved, God Of War hasn't evolved, Gears hasn't evolved, MGS hasn't evolved. :roll: Zelda has better gameplay mechanics / level / dungeon design then pretty much every game out there. Stop hating. :|funsohng
MGS actually evolved. It just wasn't the right way.
I disagree. MGS4 was awesome.
And Seriously even if it hasnt "evolved" the only one since 1998 that felt too similar to a previous one in any way was Twilight Princess. Majoras Mask and Wind Waker were amazing games that got bashed for being too different from Ocarina because people didnt WANT it to evolve apparently
true...but I would say it hasn't evolved since the original game, Zelda has been a remake since the begining the only unique ones being oracle of ages and seasons, and majoras mask, and minish cap, otherwise every other one was a remake of the original.
true...but I would say it hasn't evolved since the original game, Zelda has been a remake since the begining the only unique ones being oracle of ages and seasons, and majoras mask, and minish cap, otherwise every other one was a remake of the original.
WilliamRLBaker
Same is true of every series ever with your logic.
thats false, see that you get a redesigned world almost everytime, different looks, new items, more to do. different stories of the same conclusion.
now about wii 2. its not coming out. nintendo has something else to name it and wont use the same controller design except the classic controller. when has nintendo actually use a number system to name consoles? never. the n64 doesnt count because there isnt something called N63 or n65.
[QUOTE="juden41"][QUOTE="black_chamber99"]I just wish Nintendo would have the balls to take zelda in a new direction. Something darker, more story-driven.789shadow
I completely agree with this statement. Thank you. :)
Majora's Mask. Actually look next time.
Mmmm, that's not really the type of 'dark' I'm talking about. Majora's Mask was a twisted surreal Alice in Wonderland type of dark. When I say 'dark,' I'd like a harsher, more oppressive 'dark' for Zelda, something like Demon's Souls perhaps. Zelda could totally pull it off, but most of the Zelda games coming out have too much of a 'cartoony' side in my opinion.
[QUOTE="juden41"] I completely agree with this statement. Thank you. :)juden41
Majora's Mask. Actually look next time.
Mmmm, that's not really the type of 'dark' I'm talking about. Majora's Mask was a twisted surreal Alice in Wonderland type of dark. When I say 'dark,' I'd like a harsher, more oppressive 'dark' for Zelda, something like Demon's Souls perhaps. Zelda could totally pull it off, but most of the Zelda games coming out have too much of a 'cartoony' side in my opinion.
Mmmm, that's not really the type of 'dark' I'm talking about. Majora's Mask was a twisted surreal Alice in Wonderland type of dark. When I say 'dark,' I'd like a harsher, more oppressive 'dark' for Zelda, something like Demon's Souls perhaps. Zelda could totally pull it off, but most of the Zelda games coming out have too much of a 'cartoony' side in my opinion.
Then go play Demon's Souls and leave Zelda alone.
you seem to be taking this personally. relax dude. and btw, majoras mask was my favorite zelda game
[QUOTE="juden41"] Mmmm, that's not really the type of 'dark' I'm talking about. Majora's Mask was a twisted surreal Alice in Wonderland type of dark. When I say 'dark,' I'd like a harsher, more oppressive 'dark' for Zelda, something like Demon's Souls perhaps. Zelda could totally pull it off, but most of the Zelda games coming out have too much of a 'cartoony' side in my opinion.black_chamber99
Then go play Demon's Souls and leave Zelda alone.
you seem to be taking this personally. relax dude. and btw, majoras mask was my favorite zelda game
I just find most Zelda criticism to be ridiculous. And Majora's Mask sucked. :P
Mmmm, that's not really the type of 'dark' I'm talking about. Majora's Mask was a twisted surreal Alice in Wonderland type of dark. When I say 'dark,' I'd like a harsher, more oppressive 'dark' for Zelda, something like Demon's Souls perhaps. Zelda could totally pull it off, but most of the Zelda games coming out have too much of a 'cartoony' side in my opinion.
Then go play Demon's Souls and leave Zelda alone.
I'd like to see Zelda do something like that, with that type of dark, gloomy, opressive atmosphere. I think it would be cool and I would like it. That's just, like, my opinion, maaaan.
[QUOTE="juden41"] Mmmm, that's not really the type of 'dark' I'm talking about. Majora's Mask was a twisted surreal Alice in Wonderland type of dark. When I say 'dark,' I'd like a harsher, more oppressive 'dark' for Zelda, something like Demon's Souls perhaps. Zelda could totally pull it off, but most of the Zelda games coming out have too much of a 'cartoony' side in my opinion.juden41
Then go play Demon's Souls and leave Zelda alone.
I'd like to see Zelda do something like that, with that type of dark, gloomy, opressive atmosphere. I think it would be cool and I would like it. That's just, like, my opinion, maaaan.
Except Demon's Souls already has done it, like you said. Should Kirby do the same thing?
I'd like to see Zelda do something like that, with that type of dark, gloomy, opressive atmosphere. I think it would be cool and I would like it. That's just, like, my opinion, maaaan.
Except Demon's Souls already has done it, like you said. Should Kirby do the same thing?
When I tried to explain what I meant by 'dark,' I used Demon's Souls as an example. It could totally fit, Zelda is based in woody fantasy areas with swords and epic monsters to begin with. Kirby is more obviously cartoony. I think I'm going to start drawing Zelda concept art so people can see what I exactly mean when I say 'dark.'
[QUOTE="juden41"] I'd like to see Zelda do something like that, with that type of dark, gloomy, opressive atmosphere. I think it would be cool and I would like it. That's just, like, my opinion, maaaan.juden41
Except Demon's Souls already has done it, like you said. Should Kirby do the same thing?
When I tried to explain what I meant by 'dark,' I used Demon's Souls as an example. It could totally fit, Zelda is based in woody fantasy areas with swords and epic monsters to begin with. Kirby is more obviously cartoony. I think I'm going to start drawing Zelda concept art so people can see what I exactly mean when I say 'dark.'
When people say they want "dark" Zelda, it usually means "Darksiders Zelda".
True or False: Halo hasn't evolved, God Of War hasn't evolved, Gears hasn't evolved, MGS hasn't evolved. :roll: Zelda has better gameplay mechanics / level / dungeon design then pretty much every game out there. Stop hating. :|WhenCicadasCry
well, god of war, gears, halo are more trillogies than zelda, zelda isn't a continuation of a story, its just the same story each time with different level design. Majora's mask was nice since it definitly nice but it would be nice if nintendo just did something different really, instead of save princess zelda from ganon every time.
True. But only very little. Evolution takes millions if not billions of years :roll:. Expect Zelda to be a point and click game in about 10 000 000 years or so.
[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"]eh this "stop hating" "haters gonna hate" thing is annoying. 789shadow
Ya, it really is. The OP brings a valid point and he's not "hating".
He's level 2 with one post. :| Not to mention there are no valid negative points to make.
I think he does make some decent points...Zelda is really only loved so MUCH because its well Zelda...the fact is if Zelda was a completely new Ip released with what it offers now, but with no prior history or fans...it would not do particularly well and you can almost bank on that. Zelda simply survives on nostalgia and love of the series...which isn't all bad, but the greatness of it is somewhat overrated, not saying Zelda is bad, but its not some godly series with little to no flaws either.
FALSE!! How the hell can you say that when every Zelda game since OoT was different? In MM you collected masks that changed your appearance and modified the gameplay, in Wind Waker you were a sailor that traveled from island to island, and in TP you were a werewolf that traveled across dimensions. :|
Mmmm, that's not really the type of 'dark' I'm talking about. Majora's Mask was a twisted surreal Alice in Wonderland type of dark. When I say 'dark,' I'd like a harsher, more oppressive 'dark' for Zelda, something like Demon's Souls perhaps. Zelda could totally pull it off, but most of the Zelda games coming out have too much of a 'cartoony' side in my opinion.
True or False: Halo hasn't evolved, God Of War hasn't evolved, Gears hasn't evolved, MGS hasn't evolved. :roll: Zelda has better gameplay mechanics / level / dungeon design then pretty much every game out there. Stop hating. :|WhenCicadasCry
Halo has changed since 2002 and standardized how FPS controls should be on console along with making Console online gaming more popular. Zelda has not done anything of that magnitude. While the series is enjoyable it seems that Nintendo should take Zelda in a darker setting, not too dark as in Darksiders dark, but more fantasy, more action. I jsut think Nintendo should mkae a beast conosle next gen kind of like how SNES was, super awesome graphics, great games, i mean come on NES and SNES had amazing ames like Metroid and Castlvania Killerinstinct blah blah blah, now we get Zelda OOT remakes and what not.
[QUOTE="juden41"] Mmmm, that's not really the type of 'dark' I'm talking about. Majora's Mask was a twisted surreal Alice in Wonderland type of dark. When I say 'dark,' I'd like a harsher, more oppressive 'dark' for Zelda, something like Demon's Souls perhaps. Zelda could totally pull it off, but most of the Zelda games coming out have too much of a 'cartoony' side in my opinion.Rockman999
Then go play Demon's Souls and leave Zelda alone.
Yeah and I think TP was very dark.
If you thought TP was dark then that is a fail, is wasn;t really that dark, it doesn't have to have gore , but I really want to see a realistic looking Zelda game with Link that kicks ass and what not. Reinvent the character. I call for a Legend of Zelda Reboot. Epic music scores and narration and voice acting. It will be amazing.
Seriously? I think most first-person shooters this generation are more guilty of being the same game over and over again, and they're not even in the same series.
Well i don't know about Zelda actually lacking evolution, but i did just make a thread about more specifically the graphics not evolving from Twilight Princess to Skyward Sword, that much i do think they slacked on. Which is why i wrote a thread about it.
Why would you want voice acting in a Zelda game? Part of its charm is its dialogue that is more reliant on text than speech. Nobody wants to hear Zelda, Link, Ganon, or Tingle talking. We all saw how well that went with CD-i Zelda. And I think the inclusion of Wii Motion + instantly revitalizes the Zelda series, as if it needs that. The Zelda series has been consistently great with each entry, and improves upon its predecessors more than any game series on the market.
We saw 10 mins of a game which will probably be well over 30 hours. We saw new items, controls, and gameplay mechanics. Calling the artstyle a lazy mesh of TP and WindWaker is just silly.
Why does everything have to be dark and gritty nowdays? Sure I loved TP's direction, but there's nothing wrong with Windwaker or Skywards Swords style either. Anyway TC we don't know if there is going to be voice acting yet (although there probably wont be) but who really cares? So what you have to read a little, I think it's worth it to play what will probably be one of the best games of 2011.
False. The Legend of Zelda II differed greatly from the original Zelda by adding things to the mix. A Link to the Past innovated the formula, essentially setting the template for the adventure which is followed even today. Ocarin of Time represented a paradigm shift for the series, whereas Majora's Mask completely altered the series' structure and core narrative. The Wind Waker adjusted the core mechanics and structure as well as the basic plotline yet again, whil Twilight Princess kept things fresh by adding motion controls to the mix. And all this doesn't even take into account the handheld games, each of which have contributed something new to the formula. Sorry TC, but Nintendo have consistently kept the Zelda series fresh, and will do it again with SkyWard Sword, about which, incidentally, we know next to nothing, so please stop making false assumptions about it.
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