True Or False: Zelda Hasn't Evolved Since 1998

False. Majoras' Mask and Windwaker felt different then OOT.

Plus it was juts a demo and we don't even know much outside of gameplay and the art. We don't know if the game has voice acting but Link not talking is a good thing. And since he was the only one shown, how do you know the npcs don't talk.

It's Windwaker all over again. People refusing to play the game because of the art style. Last I checked it wasn't long ago that people hated TP's style. :|

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[QUOTE="black_chamber99"] you seem to be taking this personally. relax dude. and btw, majoras mask was my favorite zelda gamefunsohng

I just find most Zelda criticism to be ridiculous. And Majora's Mask sucked. :P

I just despised the save system sooooooooo much.......

True or False: Halo hasn't evolved, God Of War hasn't evolved, Gears hasn't evolved, MGS hasn't evolved. :roll: Zelda has better gameplay mechanics / level / dungeon design then pretty much every game out there. Stop hating. :|WhenCicadasCry

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]True or False: Halo hasn't evolved, God Of War hasn't evolved, Gears hasn't evolved, MGS hasn't evolved. :roll: Zelda has better gameplay mechanics / level / dungeon design then pretty much every game out there. Stop hating. :|caseypayne69

Which shows you haven't played Zelda.

Ugh, why would you want to bastardise Zelda by making it "dark and gritty" and what not? Why not, you know, go and play the multitude of other games that do that exactly, and leave Zelda to the people that want a light hearted fantasy adventure with subtle hints of thematic texture, and a boat load of lore to delve into?

Its like watching a Pixar film and wanting it to have themes and aesthetics more akin to The Godfather. Here is an idea: dont watch the Pixar film, and watch The Godfather instead. Problem solved.

True or False: Halo hasn't evolved, God Of War hasn't evolved, Gears hasn't evolved, MGS hasn't evolved. :roll: Zelda has better gameplay mechanics / level / dungeon design then pretty much every game out there. Stop hating. :|WhenCicadasCry

An honest answer is halo and mgs with every sequel have evolved a great deal. Never been a huge zelda fan, so thats for another discussion. Yet, isnt tp, and whats this new zelda called?; Arent they basically oot? Never played these two, but its what I gather so..

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]True or False: Halo hasn't evolved, God Of War hasn't evolved, Gears hasn't evolved, MGS hasn't evolved. :roll: Zelda has better gameplay mechanics / level / dungeon design then pretty much every game out there. Stop hating. :|caseypayne69

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]True or False: Halo hasn't evolved, God Of War hasn't evolved, Gears hasn't evolved, MGS hasn't evolved. :roll: Zelda has better gameplay mechanics / level / dungeon design then pretty much every game out there. Stop hating. :|mccoyca112

An honest answer is halo and mgs with every sequel have evolved a great deal. Never been a huge zelda fan, so thats for another discussion. Yet, isnt tp, and whats this new zelda called?; Arent they basically oot? Never played these two, but its what I gather so..

Why would you want voice acting in a Zelda game? Part of its charm is its dialogue that is more reliant on text than speech. Nobody wants to hear Zelda, Link, Ganon, or Tingle talking. We all saw how well that went with CD-i Zelda. And I think the inclusion of Wii Motion + instantly revitalizes the Zelda series, as if it needs that. The Zelda series has been consistently great with each entry, and improves upon its predecessors more than any game series on the market.princeofshapeir

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]True or False: Halo hasn't evolved, God Of War hasn't evolved, Gears hasn't evolved, MGS hasn't evolved. :roll: Zelda has better gameplay mechanics / level / dungeon design then pretty much every game out there. Stop hating. :|mccoyca112

An honest answer is halo and mgs with every sequel have evolved a great deal. Never been a huge zelda fan, so thats for another discussion. Yet, isnt tp, and whats this new zelda called?; Arent they basically oot? Never played these two, but its what I gather so..

actually zelda had a lot of experiments implemented since 1998. so yes it has evolved

MM - 3 days, schedules for townsfolk

Oracles games - Link between two games Both impressive yet totally different. Age and Season mechanic

WW- Graphics, Sea

MinishCap - Shrinking, Kin Stones, Sword Techs you can learn (adopted by TP)

4 Swords- Multiplayer, Connectivity

TP - Wolf mechanics, Motion Controls and Pointing

Phantom Hourglass - Controls, One big dungeon you go back too

Spirit Tracks - Stamps, Pacman

I would also like to point out that the often criticised TP is actually the second highest rated Zelda game in existence and was the best rated game in 2006

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[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]True or False: Halo hasn't evolved, God Of War hasn't evolved, Gears hasn't evolved, MGS hasn't evolved. :roll: Zelda has better gameplay mechanics / level / dungeon design then pretty much every game out there. Stop hating. :|WhenCicadasCry

An honest answer is halo and mgs with every sequel have evolved a great deal. Never been a huge zelda fan, so thats for another discussion. Yet, isnt tp, and whats this new zelda called?; Arent they basically oot? Never played these two, but its what I gather so..

Subtle change like that(which is such a weak example by the way) for mgs. Did you even get in depth with the game? Or even an hour into it. Please dont make me give you a good rundown because it'll take a while and my spell check is acting funny. As for zelda, I was just curious, because thats what I honestly see. Again though, never played them so my opinion can be seen as moot.

True Or False: Zelda Hasn't Evolved Since 1998black_chamber99

Well... more true than false anyway.

All Zelda games up to and including OoT evolved the franchise, after that it seems that Nintendo believes they have the perfect formula that doesn't need to evolve anymore, tbh the later games feels just like OoT, only better looking with different stories and slightly different dungeons and bosses.

the only thing I was thinking while watching the debut trailer to skyward sword is 'same old zelda..'. Instead of coming up with a truly original artstyle, it looks like nintendo just lazily combined the artstyles of wind waker and twilight princess, taking the worst aspects of both. It lacks wind waker's fluid painting-in-motion style, and it still has the same outdated, stiff animation and flat textures from Twilight princess. All they really added was the 1.1 sword controls, and after seeing some move and kinect stuff doing the exact same thing (see sorcery) it isnt all that impressive. No voice acting, again *sigh*.black_chamber99

Pretty much true, voice acting is fine as long as Link doesn't talk.

I just wish Nintendo would have the balls to take zelda in a new direction. Something darker, more story-driven. Doesn't look like that's gonna happen anytime soon since hardcore zelda fans dont seem to want evolution, and are content with the same old thing..black_chamber99

I think part of the reason why the franchise seems to have stopped evolving is that perhaps Nintendo got scared when they got criticism about the graphical change in Wind Waker that they don't dare step too far from the OoT concept any more. I mean if they got that much negativity from just changing the art style what would happen if they tried changing the gameplay? Also Nintendo may have fallen into a trap where they've taken the game in a direction that is a one-way street so to speak, there might not be any good path to evolve the current game.

OoT was a big change, both in style and in gameplay, and not just because it went to 3D, there were lots of other changes too that evolved Zelda as a whole, that change worked out well.

I just hope Nintendo will muster up the guts and imaginative power to stop treading in their own footsteps and once again really evolve the series.

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[QUOTE="juden41"] I'd like to see Zelda do something like that, with that type of dark, gloomy, opressive atmosphere. I think it would be cool and I would like it. That's just, like, my opinion, maaaan.juden41

Except Demon's Souls already has done it, like you said. Should Kirby do the same thing?

Seeing as how so many games are going the dark and gloomy route it would feel almost cliche/bandwagony if Zelda did.

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An honest answer is halo and mgs with every sequel have evolved a great deal. Never been a huge zelda fan, so thats for another discussion. Yet, isnt tp, and whats this new zelda called?; Arent they basically oot? Never played these two, but its what I gather so..

mccoyca112

Subtle change like that(which is such a weak example by the way) for mgs. Did you even get in depth with the game? Or even an hour into it. Please dont make me give you a good rundown because it'll take a while and my spell check is acting funny. As for zelda, I was just curious, because thats what I honestly see. Again though, never played them so my opinion can be seen as moot.

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[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"] Exchanging the Cardboard Box for a Barrel isn't evolutionary. They may add gameplay mechanics, but they also did the same for each Zelda. New weapons, puzzles, characters ect. WhenCicadasCry

Subtle change like that(which is such a weak example by the way) for mgs. Did you even get in depth with the game? Or even an hour into it. Please dont make me give you a good rundown because it'll take a while and my spell check is acting funny. As for zelda, I was just curious, because thats what I honestly see. Again though, never played them so my opinion can be seen as moot.

I am really considering getting the remake of snake eater for the 3DS. But that would be my first mgs and I know I will just end up buying the whole series

I agree with TC, this Zelda just looks like more of the same. If I had an 8 year old kid I'd buy it but I dont so I wont...

Zelda hasn't Evolved Since 1998 because its perfect, their's absolutely nothing they can do to improve the game.

I agree with TC, this Zelda just looks like more of the same. If I had an 8 year old kid I'd buy it but I dont so I wont...

trollop_scat

[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"]eh this "stop hating" "haters gonna hate" thing is annoying. 1kryptic

Ya, it really is. The OP brings a valid point and he's not "hating".

stop hating

So when MM put focus on side-quests, added the day system, and changed the story, that wasn't enough?

And when WW changed the artst yle drastically, as well as putting a big twist on the story, that wasn't enough?

And when TP merged a re-imagined Hyrule in the style of OoT with the mechanic of the Dark World from ALttP, as well as inserting darker elements into the world, that wasn't enough?

And when SS seems to add a massive focus onto motion controls, change the artst yle, that isn't enough?

What do you want the series to do?

So when MM put focus on side-quests, added the day system, and changed the story, that wasn't enough?

And when WW changed the artst yle drastically, as well as putting a big twist on the story, that wasn't enough?

And when TP merged a re-imagined Hyrule in the style of OoT with the mechanic of the Dark World from ALttP, as well as inserting darker elements into the world, that wasn't enough?

And when SS seems to add a massive focus onto motion controls, change the artst yle, that isn't enough?

What do you want the series to do?

sam_nintendo

True or False: Halo hasn't evolved, God Of War hasn't evolved, Gears hasn't evolved, MGS hasn't evolved. :roll: Zelda has better gameplay mechanics / level / dungeon design then pretty much every game out there. Stop hating. :|WhenCicadasCry

Zelda hasn't Evolved Since 1998 because its perfect, their's absolutely nothing they can do to improve the game.

Supabul

Zelda hasn't Evolved Since 1998 because its perfect, their's absolutely nothing they can do to improve the game.

Supabul

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[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"] Exchanging the Cardboard Box for a Barrel isn't evolutionary. They may add gameplay mechanics, but they also did the same for each Zelda. New weapons, puzzles, characters ect. WhenCicadasCry

Subtle change like that(which is such a weak example by the way) for mgs. Did you even get in depth with the game? Or even an hour into it. Please dont make me give you a good rundown because it'll take a while and my spell check is acting funny. As for zelda, I was just curious, because thats what I honestly see. Again though, never played them so my opinion can be seen as moot.

Sincerely hope you dont think thats it lol, but to each his own :)

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Zelda hasn't Evolved Since 1998 because its perfect, their's absolutely nothing they can do to improve the game.

black_chamber99

Define "evolution" in regards to game sequels, and list its criteria.

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[QUOTE="1kryptic"]

Ya, it really is. The OP brings a valid point and he's not "hating".

TacticalDesire

He's level 2 with one post. :| Not to mention there are no valid negative points to make.

I think he does make some decent points...Zelda is really only loved so MUCH because its well Zelda...the fact is if Zelda was a completely new Ip released with what it offers now, but with no prior history or fans...it would not do particularly well and you can almost bank on that. Zelda simply survives on nostalgia and love of the series...which isn't all bad, but the greatness of it is somewhat overrated, not saying Zelda is bad, but its not some godly series with little to no flaws either.

the fact that zelda clones like Darksiders and Okami get prised alot, proves you lack of logic

[QUOTE="Supabul"]

Zelda hasn't Evolved Since 1998 because its perfect, their's absolutely nothing they can do to improve the game.

black_chamber99

FPS fans dont seem to have a problem with that, and judgingkillzone and halospopularity they dont need it either.

So when MM put focus on side-quests, added the day system, and changed the story, that wasn't enough?

And when WW changed the artst yle drastically, as well as putting a big twist on the story, that wasn't enough?

And when TP merged a re-imagined Hyrule in the style of OoT with the mechanic of the Dark World from ALttP, as well as inserting darker elements into the world, that wasn't enough?

And when SS seems to add a massive focus onto motion controls, change the artst yle, that isn't enough?

What do you want the series to do?

sam_nintendo

The things you mention are details that change, the formula have stayed the same in all the games after OoT, if you've played one of them you will not be surprised in any of the other games and you will many times know how to solve a problem or defeat an enemy because it was very alike in another Zelda game.
There's just not any genuinly new gaming experience going from one game to the next, it was very obvious that some stuff in TP was directly taken from WW.
Yes, Zelda is a great franchise, but it's time to mix it up and really evolve the game, not just keep changing details.

I just wish Nintendo would have the balls to take zelda in a new direction. Something darker, more story-driven. black_chamber99

Go play Darksiders. It was made for people like you.

How do you know there is no voice acting? There was no story in the demo.

nintendoman562

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How do you know there is no voice acting? There was no story in the demo.

antifanboyftw

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[QUOTE="nintendoman562"]

How do you know there is no voice acting? There was no story in the demo.

Thunderdrone

The only thing all Zelda games have in common is the fact that you travel through dungeons and the fact that Link has a sword, really.Otherwise Each Zelda has always differed and added something fresh:

Ocarina of Time evolved Zelda's gameplay, by making Zelda 3D and adding Z-targeting.First Zellda game to

Majora's Mask added masks which give you unique powers/abilities, or even completely transform you, which added more depth to Zelda's gameplay, and then added the "3 days" feature to add a twist to Zelda's gameplay.

Wind Waker gave the series a completely different look and art-style, and made it so you were traveling by boat instead of on foot or Epona (Link's horse).

The Oracle games were actually two seperate games that could be connected once one was beaten and a code was put into the other. Both games shared certain items, but both had some different items as well, and the rod of seasons and harp of ages made each of their respective games have a different feel to it, as well as the creative, unique dungeons in each.

The Four Sword games added multiplayer to the Zelda games, and the cool thing about the multiplayer is that it could be cooperative and/or competitive.

Minish Cap made it so you could shrink, and this made it so you could access paths that you couldn't normally go through when normal sized, which added a bit of depth to the exploration, and most dungeons could only be entered when tiny-sized. This game also added sword techniques.

Twilight princess had it so you could switch between human form and wolf form, which differed from each other quite a bit. This was also the first Zelda game to implement motion controls (assuming you got the Wii version, of course). This game also got a "darker" look and style; darker compared to other Zeldas except maybe Majora's mask anyways.

Phantom Hourglass added touch controls. The Ocean of the temple King, while a pain in the ass, was something different. And there was ship customization, too. This game also added Wifi for it's muliplayer.

Spirit Tracks added a train to the main overworld, which was controlled much differently than the boats or Epona. This was also the first game in the series where Zelda joins you on your quest, which was kinda neat and something different storywise.

Skyward Sword is changing the controls of combat again, and making them completely based off of the Wii motion +, where Twilight princess was only partially based off of motion controls. The series is getting another visual reboot as well, and looks like a mesh between Wiind Waker and Twilight Princess sort of, as well as perhaps the classic style of Link seen in such games as A Link to the past or Link's Awakening.

It uses a lot of the same mechanics in every game but I wouldn't say it never evolves. I did feel like Twilight Princess was a step back though (still a fun game), but Skyward Sword seems to be moving in the right direction.

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[QUOTE="nintendoman562"]

How do you know there is no voice acting? There was no story in the demo.

Thunderdrone

Oh my god, Pit's one-liners were atrocious. :P

Yeah, its pretty much stayed the same for years.

Yeah, its pretty much stayed the same for years.

Loco_Live

Funny how no specific examples of this are ever given.

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Yeah, its pretty much stayed the same for years.

789shadow

Funny how no specific examples of this are ever given.

The way you progress through the games has been the same since ALttP. The story is almost always the same. Gameplay is almost always the same.

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[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

Yeah, its pretty much stayed the same for years.

Loco_Live

Funny how no specific examples of this are ever given.

The way you progress through the games has been the same since ALttP. The story is almost always the same. Gameplay is almost always the same.

Huh whu? Yes, progression is similar, but that's the genre, dude. Storywise, everyone likes to drone on and on about "It's just rescue the princess". True, this is a common theme, but it varies immensely in importance and execution. Sometimes it doesn't even come into play until later in the game. Not to mention that the rest of the story is always different from game to game. Gameplay-wise, you expect too much change. Zelda has changed it's gameplay just as much as every other series the last decade.