Truth to be told, PS3 hardware performance always struggled to keep up with X360

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Oh yeah. Didn't read his post. I was thinking about the competition. Journey. A DL cartoon PS3 game still made the nomination. I mean it looks nice but I don't think I ever seen anyone mention it when talking about it in graphics debate. Uncharted 3, Killzone 3 etc. all came out previous years.themajormayor

I'm not sure of their requirements for the category. It could have been an exception due to the great art.

Yep. Their VGA's this year were markedly better, though.

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]Its amazing that these consoles have been out for 5 or 6 years and yet still from day 1 we have the same arguments. Its hard to judge who can produce the best graphics unless there was a single developer who made the same game taliored to both systems to prove which can produce the best visuals. I honestly believe the 360 can nudge out the PS3, however when you are infront of your direct competition, there is zero need to throw money at your developers to produce the "next big thing", microsoft brough back halo 4 just to keep things ticking over until the next gen. Sony needs decent exclusives because it falls behind in the third party scene and most importantly in COD. Crysis 2 is apperently graphics king this gen which is a multiplat. After that people say gears of war 3 is the 360s best looking exclusive, but that is running on a multiplat engine which means again its not a taliored made game. Think about the monetary investment that sony made into gt5 and killzone 2, it dwarfs what xbox developers recieve.ToScA-

Good points!

Both consoles are pretty much equal in graphics and it's sad how cows are denying that.

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]Its amazing that these consoles have been out for 5 or 6 years and yet still from day 1 we have the same arguments. Its hard to judge who can produce the best graphics unless there was a single developer who made the same game taliored to both systems to prove which can produce the best visuals. I honestly believe the 360 can nudge out the PS3, however when you are infront of your direct competition, there is zero need to throw money at your developers to produce the "next big thing", microsoft brough back halo 4 just to keep things ticking over until the next gen. Sony needs decent exclusives because it falls behind in the third party scene and most importantly in COD. Crysis 2 is apperently graphics king this gen which is a multiplat. After that people say gears of war 3 is the 360s best looking exclusive, but that is running on a multiplat engine which means again its not a taliored made game. Think about the monetary investment that sony made into gt5 and killzone 2, it dwarfs what xbox developers recieve.greensand24

Good points!

I don't call a game with severe framerate issues graphic king.Literally all ps3 graphically intensive ps3 exclusives beat crysis 2 in that department.

[QUOTE="greensand24"][QUOTE="ToScA-"]

Good points!

super600

I don't call a game with severe framerate issues graphic king.Literally all ps3 graphically intensive ps3 exclusives beat crysis 2 in that department.

MS definitely won by going with hardware that was similar to the PC. Sony took a big gamble going for obscure hardware that was hard to develop for, and it bit them in the ass this generation. I doubt they will try that same move on the next gen machine.

coasterguy65

Honestly not many of their decisions have been the best as of late.

Wouldn't surprise me if Sony didn't learn from their mistakes fully. They still haven't learned from the mistake of "pricing things much higher than they need to be" imo. Hence why they are losing out on the TV and camera front.

Both consoles are pretty much equal in graphics and it's sad how cows are denying that.

super600

They got their ups and downs. The PS3 when done correctly was done very right. The Xbox was more consistent over the gen.

It really matters on your taste of games. Multiplats tended to do better on the 360, but the PS3 exclusives tended to beat out many of 360's finest at the same time at least graphics wise.

[QUOTE="super600"]

Both consoles are pretty much equal in graphics and it's sad how cows are denying that.

AznbkdX

They got their ups and downs. The PS3 when done correctly was done very right. The Xbox was more consistent over the gen.

It really matters on your taste of games. Multiplats tended to do better on the 360, but the PS3 exclusives tended to beat out many of 360's finest at the same time at least graphics wise.

But that can be said about both consoles. Halo 4, the first 360 exclusive with a budget similar to Killzone 2, 3, GT5, etc, ended up looking as good as the best PS3 exclusives. The fact 360 is easy to develop for, doesn't mean third party devs are taking advantage of it's hardware.

[QUOTE="AznbkdX"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

Both consoles are pretty much equal in graphics and it's sad how cows are denying that.

PAL360

They got their ups and downs. The PS3 when done correctly was done very right. The Xbox was more consistent over the gen.

It really matters on your taste of games. Multiplats tended to do better on the 360, but the PS3 exclusives tended to beat out many of 360's finest at the same time at least graphics wise.

The fact 360 is easy to develop for, doesn't mean third party devs are taking advantage of it's hardware.

[QUOTE="AznbkdX"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

Both consoles are pretty much equal in graphics and it's sad how cows are denying that.

PAL360

They got their ups and downs. The PS3 when done correctly was done very right. The Xbox was more consistent over the gen.

It really matters on your taste of games. Multiplats tended to do better on the 360, but the PS3 exclusives tended to beat out many of 360's finest at the same time at least graphics wise.

But that can be said about both consoles. Halo 4, the first 360 exclusive with a budget similar to Killzone 2, 3, GT5, etc, ended up looking as good as the best PS3 exclusives. The fact 360 is easy to develop for, doesn't mean third party devs are taking advantage of it's hardware.

It can, and I didn't say that it wasn't said for both. I said the sentence after on my reinforcement of that claim for Sonys product in general.

You may claim that Xbox also did things very right, but I tried to address that Sony did things "a little more right" on certain aspects when they could.

... that nearly 100% of the systems encounter. joehult

What?

[QUOTE="AznbkdX"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

Both consoles are pretty much equal in graphics and it's sad how cows are denying that.

PAL360

They got their ups and downs. The PS3 when done correctly was done very right. The Xbox was more consistent over the gen.

It really matters on your taste of games. Multiplats tended to do better on the 360, but the PS3 exclusives tended to beat out many of 360's finest at the same time at least graphics wise.

But that can be said about both consoles. Halo 4, the first 360 exclusive with a budget similar to Killzone 2, 3, GT5, etc, ended up looking as good as the best PS3 exclusives.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="AznbkdX"]

They got their ups and downs. The PS3 when done correctly was done very right. The Xbox was more consistent over the gen.

It really matters on your taste of games. Multiplats tended to do better on the 360, but the PS3 exclusives tended to beat out many of 360's finest at the same time at least graphics wise.

themajormayor

But that can be said about both consoles. Halo 4, the first 360 exclusive with a budget similar to Killzone 2, 3, GT5, etc, ended up looking as good as the best PS3 exclusives.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

But that can be said about both consoles. Halo 4, the first 360 exclusive with a budget similar to Killzone 2, 3, GT5, etc, ended up looking as good as the best PS3 exclusives. greensand24

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

Xbox 360 is better designed, but it's likely the PS3 is more powerful, it's just not good for the business. No one has the time to make it work.

MS has a unified hardware, with a good OS and development tools. It's designed to make life easier for the developer. All gen it's had consistent performance.

PAL360

I don't think PS3 is any more capable than 360. Maybe looking at numbers on paper, but clearly not in practice for games.

At their best, buth consoles have been proving to be pretty much on par (Uncharted 3, Halo 4, Forza Horizon, KZ3, Gears 3, GoW3, etc), but 360 has a better average, it's more consistant.

looking at this thread it seems cows just need a good cry. or a 360. :(

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

But that can be said about both consoles. Halo 4, the first 360 exclusive with a budget similar to Killzone 2, 3, GT5, etc, ended up looking as good as the best PS3 exclusives. greensand24

looking at this thread it seems cows just need a good cry. or a 360. :(

KarateeeChop

[QUOTE="greensand24"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Ah no

ermacness

looking at this thread it seems cows just need a good cry. or a 360. :(

KarateeeChop

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

Xbox 360 is better designed, but it's likely the PS3 is more powerful, it's just not good for the business. No one has the time to make it work.

MS has a unified hardware, with a good OS and development tools. It's designed to make life easier for the developer. All gen it's had consistent performance.

ermacness

I don't think PS3 is any more capable than 360. Maybe looking at numbers on paper, but clearly not in practice for games.

At their best, buth consoles have been proving to be pretty much on par (Uncharted 3, Halo 4, Forza Horizon, KZ3, Gears 3, GoW3, etc), but 360 has a better average, it's more consistant.

Not anymore. I'm not saying that Halo 4, Gears 3 and Forza Horizon destroy the competition, like cows use to do when it comes to their exclusives, but they look easily up to the best on PS3. The good thing is that the best looking 360 exclusives don't need to sacrify scale to reach the same graphical level. That's probably due to less ram limitations :P

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="greensand24"] Halo 4 looks better than kz3 ;)themajormayor

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I don't think PS3 is any more capable than 360. Maybe looking at numbers on paper, but clearly not in practice for games.

At their best, buth consoles have been proving to be pretty much on par (Uncharted 3, Halo 4, Forza Horizon, KZ3, Gears 3, GoW3, etc), but 360 has a better average, it's more consistant.

PAL360

Not anymore. I'm not saying that Halo 4, Gears 3 and Forza Horizon destroy the competition, like cows use to do when it comes to their exclusives, but they look easily up to the best on PS3. The good thing is that the best looking 360 exclusives don't need to sacrify scale to reach the same graphical level. That's probably due to less ram limitations :P

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="ermacness"]and UC3, GOW3 looks better than Halo 4.

ermacness

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I don't think PS3 is any more capable than 360. Maybe looking at numbers on paper, but clearly not in practice for games.

At their best, buth consoles have been proving to be pretty much on par (Uncharted 3, Halo 4, Forza Horizon, KZ3, Gears 3, GoW3, etc), but 360 has a better average, it's more consistant.

PAL360

Not anymore. I'm not saying that Halo 4, Gears 3 and Forza Horizon destroy the competition, like cows use to do when it comes to their exclusives, but they look easily up to the best on PS3. The good thing is that the best looking 360 exclusives don't need to sacrify scale to reach the same graphical level. That's probably due to less ram limitations :P

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]Not with superb looking exclusives. The ps3 easily takes the cake on good looking exclusives.

themajormayor

Not anymore. I'm not saying that Halo 4, Gears 3 and Forza Horizon destroy the competition, like cows use to do when it comes to their exclusives, but they look easily up to the best on PS3. The good thing is that the best looking 360 exclusives don't need to sacrify scale to reach the same graphical level. That's probably due to less ram limitations :P

Do you mean, like Halo 4 and Forza Horizon?

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] And KZ3 looks better than all of them.themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Not anymore. I'm not saying that Halo 4, Gears 3 and Forza Horizon destroy the competition, like cows use to do when it comes to their exclusives, but they look easily up to the best on PS3. The good thing is that the best looking 360 exclusives don't need to sacrify scale to reach the same graphical level. That's probably due to less ram limitations :P

PAL360

Do you mean, like Halo 4 and Forza Horizon?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="ermacness"]We're going to have to agree to disagree here. KZ3 didn't "wow"me like UC3 and GOW3 did. KZ2 had a much more wowing factor to me than KZ3.

ermacness

[QUOTE="greensand24"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Ah no

ermacness

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] No. The best PS3 exclusives has AA, doesn't screen tear and has detailed textures.themajormayor

Do you mean, like Halo 4 and Forza Horizon?

Hmm...i didn't need more proof that you never played those games, but thanks anyway! Gears 3 does lack AA, though, but despite that, it does look incredible.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] No. The best PS3 exclusives has AA, doesn't screen tear and has detailed textures.themajormayor

Do you mean, like Halo 4 and Forza Horizon?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Do you mean, like Halo 4 and Forza Horizon?

PAL360

Hmm...i didn't need more proof that you never played those games, but thanks anyway! Gears 3 does lack AA, though, but despite that, it does look incredible.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="greensand24"] Halo 4 looks better than kz3 ;)greensand24

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] No Gears 3. And you put them equal to Halo 4 and Forza Horizon. Halo 4 looks flat with butt ugly foliage and screen tear. It has AA though. themajormayor

Hmm...i didn't need more proof that you never played those games, but thanks anyway! Gears 3 does lack AA, though, but despite that, it does look incredible.

Well, according to eurogamer (your source), "Gears 3 is one of the most advanced games this generation", and Halo 4 "looks as good as what Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica have been doing on PS3".

I didn't notice any screen tearing on Halo 4, by the way.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Hmm...i didn't need more proof that you never played those games, but thanks anyway! Gears 3 does lack AA, though, but despite that, it does look incredible.

PAL360

Well, according to eurogamer (your source), "Gears 3 is one of the most advanced games this generation", and Halo 4 "looks as good as what Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica have been doing on PS3".

I didn't notice any screen tearing on Halo 4, by the way.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Apperantly you haven't since according to Eurogamer there is screen tearing in Halo 4 and Gears 3. themajormayor

Well, according to eurogamer (your source), "Gears 3 is one of the most advanced games this generation", and Halo 4 "looks as good as what Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica have been doing on PS3".

I didn't notice any screen tearing on Halo 4, by the way.

"In an era where the likes of Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica have defined the graphical state-of-the-art with Uncharted and God of War, Xbox 360 finally has its own shot at the title."

Apparently, it's because they don't think Killzone 3 looks as good as Uncharted 3, GoW3...and Halo 4. I would actualy agree with them!

Oh, and i'm not saying that i don't believe there is screen tearing. I'm saying i dodn't notice it.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Well, according to eurogamer (your source), "Gears 3 is one of the most advanced games this generation", and Halo 4 "looks as good as what Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica have been doing on PS3".

I didn't notice any screen tearing on Halo 4, by the way.

PAL360

"In an era where the likes of Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica have defined the graphical state-of-the-art with Uncharted and God of War, Xbox 360 finally has its own shot at the title."

Apparently, it's because they don't think Killzone 3 looks as good as Uncharted 3, GoW3...and Halo 4. I would actualy agree with them!

Oh, and i'm not saying that i don't believe there is screen tearing. I'm saying i dodn't notice it.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Well, according to eurogamer (your source), "Gears 3 is one of the most advanced games this generation", and Halo 4 "looks as good as what Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica have been doing on PS3".

I didn't notice any screen tearing on Halo 4, by the way.

PAL360

"In an era where the likes of Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica have defined the graphical state-of-the-art with Uncharted and God of War, Xbox 360 finally has its own shot at the title."

Apparently, it's because they don't think Killzone 3 looks as good as Uncharted 3, GoW3...and Halo 4. I would actualy agree with them!

Oh, and i'm not saying that i don't believe there is screen tearing. I'm saying i dodn't notice it.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] That's subjective. But if you don't believe there is screen tearing you are questioning the credibility of their technical analysis. And they didn't mention guerilla games.delta3074

"In an era where the likes of Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica have defined the graphical state-of-the-art with Uncharted and God of War, Xbox 360 finally has its own shot at the title."

Apparently, it's because they don't think Killzone 3 looks as good as Uncharted 3, GoW3...and Halo 4. I would actualy agree with them!

Oh, and i'm not saying that i don't believe there is screen tearing. I'm saying i dodn't notice it.

Ps3 did what my 360 was incapable of doing. Not overheating, causing the gpu to warp while playing gtaiv 8 hours straight. I don't care who has the better graphics, if it takes nearly 4 years to fix an issue that nearly 100% of the systems encounter. joehult

Yeh , launch 360's started dieing like launch PS3's, MS offered a warranty though .

Sony just offered it's respect !