Ubisoft reports record first quarter, PC sales surpass Xbox One

Not entirely

If you two ever stopped being casual garbage (although it's hard, consider console doesn't really have anything competitive outside of a handful of low populated fighters), you would know certain control devices allow a higher degree in skill cap variance.

For example, a thumbstick simply doesn't have the degree of control or precision as a mouse. As such, the players have a lower skill ceiling for a simpler device. On a mouse you can have a much larger variance of skill in control and precision among the gamers. Kind of like testing your skill in basic asthmatics vs calculus. Higher skill ceiling, by far.

Hence why PC dominates 99% of e-sports.

Right.

Mouse=easy mode

And it is a fact that they also have a higher skill ceiling than 99% of console games. That 1% being very debatable (fighters).

Now compare this to consoles most played games, which are significantly lower skill cap and almost meaningless in esports. Complete non gamer bait.

Mouse allows for a much higher variance in precision. It has a considerably larger skill-ceiling.

This is a fact as it pertains to human biology.

Fact is PC players are too stupid to wrap their tiny mouse using brains over the concept of a controller.

@zaryia: they don't have high skill ceiling, they just have a really big learning curve and need a lot of memorization, sorry.

And we all know you hate casuals because they have a life, something you don't since you stay in your mom's basement all day LMAO

And let me make myself clear: lol is one of the most played games on PC and most players are casuals.

Let that sink in.

1. They do though. One of the reasons they are among the biggest thing in competitive gaming. Something consoles barely have.

2. The person I initially quoted held disdain for casuals first. I was just letting him know that's more of a console thing.

3. Really, baseless personal attacks on my life? A new low even for you, all because I stated facts about competitive gaming?

Yet, looking at that statement: the X1 barely edged PC LAST YEAR, which was 21%. This year X1 was 22% so it in the same range as last year. Might need to look into UBI stock, thanks.

@zaryia: 1 - they do not, Learning about a game doesn't require skill

2 - casuals are more of a PC thing, since PC has more users and almost every person in the civilized world has a PC, most PC gamers are casuals and ALL popular games are mostly played by casuals, PUBG, DOTA 2, LOL, all of those are mainly played by casuals,, hence, your favorite PC games only exist because they're supported by casuals. And you agreed with him that casuals are bad, despite being the very thing that keeps this industry alive.

3 - you think you're better than anyone because you have a PC (which you don't since you never took a picture of it or provided you steam user for us to look into), so I don't know what's the problem.

It actually truly amazes me how you're always wrong regarding everything.

Casuals are the biggest part of the industry, developers make more money on PS4 alone than on PC when their games are available on both platforms and the worst version of multiplats is on base X1.

You really are ALWAYS wrong. That's bizarre

@cainetao11: Good for you i guess. Buy me a new PS4 since you're making so much cash.

A couple of years too late dude. I gave my reg PS4 to a cousin when I got my Pro and My X1S to a friend when I got my X. I'll definitely keep you in mind though.

EDIT: not really LOL I traded up for the Pro. But I did give my S to a friend.

1. This is incorrect, MOBA, PC's most played genre, is played on a considerably higher skill level and e-sports make up than Console's most played genres (Thumbstick FPS, which are all better on PC). Even casual play of LoL and DOTA2 is leagues ahead of casual thumbstick play of CoD and press X to win movie games like GoW. Lets not even get into RTS and PC FPS.

https://www.gosugamers.net/rankings

https://www.esportsearnings.com/games

This is just a matter of fact. PS4 has almost no competitive gamers and gaming on it, in comparison. Not sure why it would, it just has a handful of fighters with tiny player bases as it's competitive composition. It's mostly for soccer mom movie rental games.

2. PC has the most casuals, core, and hardcore gamers. It has the most of all 3 brackets. By far. This is because it has the most gamers and active games in general. The issue with PS4 is, all they have is casuals and next to no active competitive games for the most part. PS4 is designed for non gamers and casuals. This is their business model.

3. I never said that. The person I quoted first attacked casuals. I don't live in my mother's basement, I'm wealthy and have my own house. I'm not sure why you would baselessy attack me on that.

PC has exponentially more gamers and revenue than PS4. Not sure why you would mention this.

PC has no revenue cause there is no company attached to it.

That's like saying the US is richer than Toshiba.

PC gaming software revenue is several times that of any other 1 system, which falls in line with the fact it has several time the players of PSN or XBL.

https://newzoo.com/insights/articles/global-games-market-reaches-137-9-billion-in-2018-mobile-games-take-half/

(Console space includes all 6 consoles, and all major gaming specific handhelds).

@zaryia said:

@Ant_17 said:

PC has no revenue cause there is no company attached to it.

That's like saying the US is richer than Toshiba.

PC gaming software revenue is several times that of any other 1 system,

https://newzoo.com/insights/articles/global-games-market-reaches-137-9-billion-in-2018-mobile-games-take-half/

Lol, It doesn't even beat out consoles.

@Ant_17 said:

@zaryia said:

@Ant_17 said:

PC has no revenue cause there is no company attached to it.

That's like saying the US is richer than Toshiba.

PC gaming software revenue is several times that of any other 1 system,

https://newzoo.com/insights/articles/global-games-market-reaches-137-9-billion-in-2018-mobile-games-take-half/

Lol, It doesn't even beat out consoles.

1. I would hope 1 system can't beat out ~4 (technically 7).

2. Strawman. The person I quoted said PS4.

@zaryia said:

@Ant_17 said:

@zaryia said:

PC gaming software revenue is several times that of any other 1 system,

https://newzoo.com/insights/articles/global-games-market-reaches-137-9-billion-in-2018-mobile-games-take-half/

Lol, It doesn't even beat out consoles.

1. I would hope 1 system can't beat out ~8

2. Strawman. The person I quoted said PS4.

So PC can only beat 1 console, not the entire console market.

Aren't you tuting that PC is better than consoles? Or is it now just 1 console?

I guess PC is that weak it can only fight 1v1.

@zaryia: Pc has more games, but most games available on both system make more money on PS4, don't move goalposts, I'm not talking about the sum of all games, I'm saying that games available on both platforms make more money on PS4 and you know it.

As usual, you're wrong.

I'll pretend to believe you're wealthy, just like I'll pretend to believe that you have a PC. Still waiting for those pictures of it.

How many poor Indo-Americans do you know?

@zaryia: why are you ignoring everything else I said? I'll repeat it:

Pc has more games, but most games available on both system make more money on PS4, don't move goalposts, I'm not talking about the sum of all games, I'm saying that games available on both platforms make more money on PS4 and you know it.

As usual, you're wrong

And I'm still waiting for the PC picture.

"How many poor Indo-Americans do you know?"

This is the beauty of the internet: you can say you are anyone, that doesn't make it real. I don't believe in a single word of what you say, since you're always wrong.

@zaryia: Your theory on pc FPS having a higher skill ceiling isn't based in reality. There's a top 1% of skilled gamers on console, and there's a top 1% of skilled gamers on pc. Just because esports leans towards pc doesn't in any way prove that pc has a higher skill ceiling. Not sure why you'd think that.

M/KB makes a fps easier. It basically turns it into a point and click mechanic. Using thumbsticks requires far more practice. My wife and kids can play pubg and BF1 on pc rather easily. Aside from the hot key memory of course, but they have no trouble with the basic shooting mechanics and movement. On console, it's a whole different story. They struggle to not walk around blindly staring at the sky. It's pretty hilarious to watch.

No reason to lie. PC has a much larger competitive scene with a much larger skill ceiling. These are facts, you were objectively wrong. Just like how PC is first place at Gamespot and Metacritic for library this gen, how PC has the highest revenue, how PC has the most gamers, and how PC has the best version of nearly all games according to DF.

This is objectively false and not a theory. The aim and speed on a mouse allows for a significantly larger skill range.

If Console was any good at competitive gaming, they would dominate that market. Instead they make up less than 5%. Do you know how the industry works at all?

@zaryia: it's pointless to talk to you, you completely ignore anything that doesn't float your way, that sentence was about PS4 making developers more money than PC when a game is available on both platforms, since you chose to ignore it, I'll take it as a concession, you lost the argument and you're wrong again.

Oh, and where is that picture of your PC? Running away again? LMAO

That sentence was an off-topic goal post move, a red herring, I didn't have to directly counter it. We were discussing how PS4 is more casual, has a worse competitive scene, less competitive gamers, has less competitive games, and overall has a lower skill-ceiling.

You then all of a sudden completely shifted gears to multiplat sales. Which made 0 sense.

I simply responded to it with a more general and wide statement. PC has a several times higher gaming revenue than PS4.

@zaryia: you're moving goalposts, since the beginning, I was talking about games avaliable on both j systems and how they profit more on PS4, it's sad that you need to sum all pc games (some avaliable since the beggining of time) to have a chance of surpassing ps4's profits for the last five years for developers, the thread is about Ubisoft, do you see the numbers on the OP? LMAO.

But it's fine, I'll take it as a concession.

Zaryia being wrong and conceding, not that this is new, you're ALWAYS wrong.

This is bullshit. You randomly threw out a off-topic factoid that had nothing to do with our debate, which you were losing. So I simply ignored it or wrote something more relvant. You tried to change the topic, completely.

• PS4 has significantly less e-sports
• PS4 has significantly less competitive games
• PS4 has significantly less competitive gamers
• PS4s most played genres are played at a significantly lower competitive setting and skill cap than PCs most played genres.

Prove the above bullet points wrong. Until you do, you lost and I was right.

P.S. PC has several times the gaming revenue of PS4.

@zaryia: so? Games avaliable on both PS4 and PC still make more money on PS4.

Poor PC, can barely beat X1, if it can, because mostly, when a game is available on PS4, X1 and PC, this game has more profit on PS4, X1 and PC respectively.

PC the laster race in profits for developers for any one game avaliable on all platforms LMAO.

This is what this is about, this is what this thread is about, everything else is only you deflecting as usual

You're still wrong.

so? When it comes to all available games, PC still makes several times more money than PS4. Why cherry pick, lets look at the entire industry.

P.S. You're wrong. Fortnite creates more revenue on PC. As does Warframe. As does Overwatch. As does Diablo. As does etc.

@zaryia: I'm talking about games available across all platforms, not the sum of them, you're moving goalposts.

For example:

Assassin's Creed sell more on PS4 than on PC.

Final fantasy sell more on PS4 than on PC.

All multiplats sell more on PS4 than on PC.

PS4 generate more profits for any ONE game on PS4 than on PC.

PS4 is the main platform developers target for the meat of their profit, specially the big ones.

Even Indies are making more money on PS4 these days than on PC.

This is what I'm talking about, the profit of the games alone, not the sum of all the trillions of games avaliable on PC and those available only on PC.

So, understand this, any ONE game avaliable on all platforms make more profit on PS4 than on PC.

This debate is about what generate more profit for the developer for any ONE game and it's clearly the PS4.

PC laster race LMAO.

And you know what's the best of ot all? Everything you hate about gaming: from consoles to casuals is what makes this industry thrives

Let that sink in

Please don't ignore everything I said as I know you'll do when you are rekt and owned. ?

Lie. You butted into a quote chain which was discussing PS4 being more casual.

You changed the topic after you lost that debate when you found out PS4 was more casual and has almost no competitive scene because it's mostly used to play fumble-stick military shooters and soccer mom movie rental games.

Diablo 3. Overwatch. Fortnite. Warframe. TESO. Paladins. Smite. Planet Side 2. Wasteland 2. Neverwinter. Tera. Warhammer. Xcom1-. Divinity. Xcom-2.

@recloud said:

PS4 is the main platform developers target for the meat of their profit, specially the big ones.

Blizzard? CDRP? Larian? Firaxis? Creative Assembly? Bethesda Game Studio (Worst modding support and Skyrim/FO4 ran like shit on PS - clearly not the target)? Not the target of all the above game devs. Why lie?

The biggest games on the planet are targeted and most profitable and most played on PC.

Apart from being proven wrong on this in the above, It's better to look at the entire industry than cherry picked multiplats. PC is objectively first place, by a lot.

There's also on console esport, in fighting games. On pc is more popular because of sponsor(heartstone is an esport, hots, the low skill ceiling moba, is an esport) and same games has high skill ceiling, but in the past the esport was real esport, not just money investmennt ala overwatch(good game but not the high skill ceiling fps).

Pc gain more money on service and microtransation games, like mobile. Betesda is going bad quality and all their game are changed because of console(beacase console sells). Larian is fantastic but they make console version also now. Firaxis is worse than the past, see civlization, civ 6 is also an ipad game, after civ 4 they went down.I liked ed creative assembly more in the past, less arcade games.

Guys some pc players maybe are new, but its not so easy to speak console vs pc. I play since atari 2600(firts console) and since commodere 64, my firts "pc" and now i play on ps4, swich, and a pc with 1080ti. The strange thing is that in last two years i use pc just a paradox games machine (stellaris) or 4x machine and i rediscovered the joy of a console because i was a pc gamer only from 2003 to 2016.

@zaryia: You can keep saying that "the aim and speed give it a higher skill ceiling" until you're blue in the face. It doesn't prove, suggest, or mean anything.

My points of contention are this...

1. Which control method is more difficult to learn and master, controller or M/KB?

2. Which method is easier overall?

Explain how aim and speed are themselves a higher skill? Are you saying aiming with a m/KB takes more skill vs a controller? I think the VAST majority of both pc and console gamers would disagree. In regards to speed... I don't understand your point. Because it's easier to aim at a specific point, and therefore is done faster at a basic level... That somehow takes more skill?

M/KB is faster and more precise than a controller. Nobody disputes that, it's pretty much a fact. It also runs directly counter to what you're saying.

@zaryia: lmao, dat essay.

Nope, all multiplats make more money on PS4.

Nice link you got there to back it up

Keeping in mind XB1's share of the market and their estimated install base this information shows that XB1 gamers have proportionally greater support for Ubisoft's games than the other platforms.

Didn't click the link, so maybe its already been stated; my guess is PC sales increase is from the continued success of Rainbow Six Siege. That game is always high on the steam charts.

Why are troll-only post alts allowed to persist.