Uh oh: Ubisoft demands high score for Assassins Creed 2 or no review copy

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#51 IgGy621985
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http://www.destructoid.com/ubisoft-demands-high-assassin-s-creed-2-review-score--154456.phtml

Ah so Gamespot aren't the only corrupted ones.

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EvanTheGamer

And this is new... how?

Since the existence of those Official "Insert a platform" Magazine(s) and "exclusive" reviews, it's pretty difficult to trust to any kind of reviews, but there are exceptions.

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#52 SpruceCaboose
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Not that I doubt it happened, but I would like more than a single source for hearsay before I condemn Ubisoft on this one.
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#53 jin3438
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and seriously who cares who put up the first thread on the topic one will die out eventually is it rlly that annoying?

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#54 mythrol
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[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Crossel777"] Lol. that's a joke. Ever since Jeff, I only use the forums. Gamespot will never gain back the creditability they lost then. For reviews, I use giantbomb + gamerankings.

If you're concerned about corruption, I'm amazed you'd even *go to Gamerankings*, let alone treat it as a credible source.

To be honest, other than Giantbomb, I don't know WHO to trust. And while I know that Gamerankings does stuff like weighting different reviews differently, but at least I understand the idea why they're doing that. The way I see it is it's a lot more difficult to game the system of gamerankings than it is to game the system of any singular source. Unless of course you know of a better site? (excluding metacritic)
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#55 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

Like I said in the other thread, another reason why I don't trust reviews.

chrion133

I don't know. I'd have to say Gamespot is pretty credible. I trust them when it comes to reviews

no man, its been alot different since the kane and lynch debacle, they were outright busted, and everyone credible left. You think they would have let any of these new guys come in if they werent gonna do what the man says?

Wasn't it CNet? Though CNET owns gamespot, wouldn't it be higher ups telling the reviewers to do that? Not the actual gamespot employee's?
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#56 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="chrion133"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] I don't know. I'd have to say Gamespot is pretty credible. I trust them when it comes to reviewsAnimal-Mother

no man, its been alot different since the kane and lynch debacle, they were outright busted, and everyone credible left. You think they would have let any of these new guys come in if they werent gonna do what the man says?

Wasn't it CNet? Though CNET owns gamespot, wouldn't it be higher ups telling the reviewers to do that? Not the actual gamespot employee's?

CBS bought CNET, so CBS owns GameSpot.
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#57 def_mode
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no game site is realiable with the reviews, the most accuracte review you can get is by buying the game and review it yourself.

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#58 deactivated-61cf0c4baf12e
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

Like I said in the other thread, another reason why I don't trust reviews.

metalisticpain

I don't know. I'd have to say Gamespot is pretty credible. I trust them when it comes to reviews

I don't know how you came to your conclusions, considering Gamespot is the only site I know that fired people who would not bow to corporate pressure and give an artificially inflated score to kane and lynch

I still remember that, and shame on me for still checking out the reviews from their site T.T

I never learn, I'm the human that stumbles twice with the same rock.

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#59 gamer620
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And the reactions in this thread are the single reason scores should be eliminated from reviews. If people would actually read reviews, no matter what the score is, they will have a pretty accurate representation of what to expect. This whole thing is about scores, not the body of text that accompanies it, which IS the opinion of the reviewer. The number is NOT the opinion of the reviewer.
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#60 deactivated-5b69bebd1b0b6
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All this talk about trust. Just look at the one that gives this game the lowest score, then you'll know who to trust.

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#61 MaxPower15
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Honestly all the big publications get bribed to a certain degree. The only time you notice is when the publication whines about not getting enough money, or when a game you don't like seemed to be gushed about too much. For me, I look at signs other than quality or score. I look at other things such as how early the review was posted, editor's choice logo or not, how fast the game publishers pushed 9/10, 4/5, 9.5/10 into their trailers even before the game reviews came out.
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Funny thing about it is Ubisoft is not the only one who does this in fact many other companies do so you can't exactly hate them for it and it's my main reason i don't listen to reviews from the top magazines and gaming sites. If you want a credible review and a honest opinion you're better off to go to youtube and check what people have to say about the game or some not so popular site that reviews games.

Kane and lynch anybody? Most users should know about the huge shibang which happend at gamespot over that.

XileLord

The only problem with that is, youtube is populated by many so called "reviewers" who use this free and open media as a stage for their own platform bias, where games will be needlessly bashed for being on the platform they despise. You know what I mean, fanboys. El Presador, Hiphop Gamer, GeneralMLD and BlackBuster come to mind. The open community sites like youtube, that allow just anybody create their own channel is completely without any system of checks and balances.

Basically, on any online journal site, for someone to actually get hired for a position, must be able to fulfill the given job requirements. That is to say someone's gotta prove themselves and demonstrate the right qualities - proper writing etiquette, fair and balanced evaluations that go over all points and highlights. Sure even reviewers have their own opinions but they can elaborate on why they scored a game in a meaningful context. The site won't post the writings of just anybody, whereas youtube has nothing to stop the most biased person from preaching their hate message.

And yes, I do acknowledge that established sites have their share of poor judgement, poor editorial management, and possible trust and credibility issues. But really it's much much harder to find a review you can trust on a free and open media that is unregulated.

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[QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

Like I said in the other thread, another reason why I don't trust reviews.

Animal-Mother

I don't know. I'd have to say Gamespot is pretty credible. I trust them when it comes to reviews

In most situations, but the blockbuster titles get a boost.

BTW, love your sig and avatar!

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#64 KukicAdo
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All major news sites are bribed All independent reviewers have their own unprofessional biases. Choose the lesser of two evils.
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#65 loco145
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lol @video games reviews. Seriously, they have no credibility whatsoever.
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#66 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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All major news sites are bribed All independent reviewers have their own unprofessional biases. Choose the lesser of two evils.KukicAdo

And which are you taking to be the lesser of the two evils? :)

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[QUOTE="KukicAdo"]All major news sites are bribed All independent reviewers have their own unprofessional biases. Choose the lesser of two evils.AdobeArtist

And which are you taking to be the lesser of the two evils? :)

That's for you to decide.
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Wow. That's a little extreme.

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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="KukicAdo"]All major news sites are bribed All independent reviewers have their own unprofessional biases. Choose the lesser of two evils.KukicAdo

And which are you taking to be the lesser of the two evils? :)

That's for you to decide.

Ahhh, the interpretive message approach. Gotta love it :) (not being sarcastic either, honest)

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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

Like I said in the other thread, another reason why I don't trust reviews.

MajorGamer531

I don't know. I'd have to say Gamespot is pretty credible. I trust them when it comes to reviews

In most situations, but the blockbuster titles get a boost.

BTW, love your sig and avatar!

always! and thank you cowboy bebop=my fav anime
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^^^ Macross Plus = best anime ever :)

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[QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

Like I said in the other thread, another reason why I don't trust reviews.

Animal-Mother
I don't know. I'd have to say Gamespot is pretty credible. I trust them when it comes to reviews

Perfect Dark Zero=9.0 just saying :P
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#73 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"] Hmm I have never heard of it ,I'll def check it out. TY!
[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

Like I said in the other thread, another reason why I don't trust reviews.

jg4xchamp
I don't know. I'd have to say Gamespot is pretty credible. I trust them when it comes to reviews

Perfect Dark Zero=9.0 just saying :P

As for you, there's always a few games that are heavily overscored at the begining of a generation. Just sayin with all this HD raz mataz :P
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#74 shadow_hosi
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im torn as to who is worse right now Ubisoft or Activision.....
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

Like I said in the other thread, another reason why I don't trust reviews.

jg4xchamp

I don't know. I'd have to say Gamespot is pretty credible. I trust them when it comes to reviews

Perfect Dark Zero=9.0 just saying :P

it's also been pretty much accepted that it was scored 4 years ago at the verybeginning of this generation, before any standards for it were really set.

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#76 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] I don't know. I'd have to say Gamespot is pretty credible. I trust them when it comes to reviewsAdobeArtist

Perfect Dark Zero=9.0 just saying :P

it's also been pretty much accepted that it was scored 4 years ago at the verybeginning of this generation, before any standards for it were really set.

BAM and just like that logic prevails.
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Germans, Got to like them :D
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[QUOTE="TheArmyGuy48"]

Jus sayin.Stumpt25

I'm going to make a guess, and say that the tab that you've crossed out in green is pr0n. I'm right, aren't I?

I doubt it's pr0n. He's only using one tab and which self-respecting guy uses only one tab for pr0n?

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#79 killerfist
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Meh, I'm calling "whatever" on this. The game will be great, no matter what. And I will be buying it.
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What CBS Interactive does is one thing, and what GameSpot editors do is another. When we start calling bull**** on people's integrity, we need to make it clear. There are some big, evil companies out there who are concerned about the dollars and cents of it. That doesn't always mean the reviewers are getting paid for a score. There ARE corrupt reviewers out there - IGN is home to quite a few of them - there are also young reviewers who accept gifts from publishers like swag, games, signed artwork, etc... without realizing those are "bribes" intended to positively influence their take on whatever game is being promoted - but that doesn't mean every review, every site, every comment, is some grand conspiracy. subrosian
Makes me wonder if a reviewer takes the goods and then double-crosses them by giving them a bad review and then icing the cake by saying, "These publishers tried to bribe me, but I didn't fall for it."

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#81 mitu123
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

Like I said in the other thread, another reason why I don't trust reviews.

jg4xchamp

I don't know. I'd have to say Gamespot is pretty credible. I trust them when it comes to reviews

Perfect Dark Zero=9.0 just saying :P

Both AC and PDZ didn't deserve 9.0s IMO, more like 7.0s, but that's just me.

Those games are so flawed it's not even funny. The gameplay is the worst thing about AC, a lot of things are top notch from graphics to story to sound. The combat, certain missions and enemy a.i. along with replay value weren't that great for Ass Creed.

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#82 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

Like I said in the other thread, another reason why I don't trust reviews.

chrion133

I don't know. I'd have to say Gamespot is pretty credible. I trust them when it comes to reviews

no man, its been alot different since the kane and lynch debacle, they were outright busted, and everyone credible left. You think they would have let any of these new guys come in if they werent gonna do what the man says?

And what about when CBS bought out c|net and GS along with it? They have big media ties and the potential to get into a lot of trouble. You think they'd want word of corrupt reviews to bubble up to their desks and give them guilt by association?
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#83 HuusAsking
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All this talk about trust. Just look at the one that gives this game the lowest score, then you'll know who to trust.

Crossel777
No, because that one could be getting bribed by the competition to give a game a bad image and make the other guys look good.
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[QUOTE="Revolution316"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] I don't know. I'd have to say Gamespot is pretty credible. I trust them when it comes to reviewsDeadMagazines

GS gave AC a 9:|...a 9. thats credible?

AC gets alot of hate for something that nearly every other game does

It gets hate because it's repetitive, boring and tedious at times and heavily flawed in the gameplay department. It's not that bad but I honestly can see why people hate the game. It even got as low a a 4/10 from some game critics, LOL.

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[QUOTE="subrosian"] What CBS Interactive does is one thing, and what GameSpot editors do is another. When we start calling bull**** on people's integrity, we need to make it clear. There are some big, evil companies out there who are concerned about the dollars and cents of it. That doesn't always mean the reviewers are getting paid for a score. There ARE corrupt reviewers out there - IGN is home to quite a few of them - there are also young reviewers who accept gifts from publishers like swag, games, signed artwork, etc... without realizing those are "bribes" intended to positively influence their take on whatever game is being promoted - but that doesn't mean every review, every site, every comment, is some grand conspiracy. HuusAsking

Makes me wonder if a reviewer takes the goods and then double-crosses them by giving them a bad review and then icing the cake by saying, "These publishers tried to bribe me, but I didn't fall for it."

That would be so rich :lol:

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] I don't know. I'd have to say Gamespot is pretty credible. I trust them when it comes to reviewsAdobeArtist

Perfect Dark Zero=9.0 just saying :P

it's also been pretty much accepted that it was scored 4 years ago at the verybeginning of this generation, before any standards for it were really set.

that game could not have gotten a 9.0 on the freakin Gameboy, much less a next generatin system following the XBOX which was known for good shooters :P
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] I don't know. I'd have to say Gamespot is pretty credible. I trust them when it comes to reviewsmitu123

Perfect Dark Zero=9.0 just saying :P

Both AC and PDZ didn't deserve 9.0s IMO, more like 7.0s, but that's just me.

Those games are so flawed it's not even funny. The gameplay is the worst thing about AC, a lot of things are top notch from graphics to story to sound. The combat, certain missions and enemy a.i. along with replay value weren't that great for Ass Creed.

the combat was Batman: AA if any of you liked that combat, I don't understand what you are complaining about with Ass Creed Enemy AI was hardly that bad, especially with how open the game was and how much life the cities had. The issues if anything were missions, the crappy story(GTFO, it was dog crap), tedious side questons, and yes it didn't really have much replay value after it was done...
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Jus sayin.

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christ you have 3 SW tabs open. WHY the **** do you need 3 System Wars tabs?
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Perfect Dark Zero=9.0 just saying :Pjg4xchamp

Both AC and PDZ didn't deserve 9.0s IMO, more like 7.0s, but that's just me.

Those games are so flawed it's not even funny. The gameplay is the worst thing about AC, a lot of things are top notch from graphics to story to sound. The combat, certain missions and enemy a.i. along with replay value weren't that great for Ass Creed.

the combat was Batman: AA if any of you liked that combat, I don't understand what you are complaining about with Ass Creed Enemy AI was hardly that bad, especially with how open the game was and how much life the cities had. The issues if anything were missions, the crappy story(GTFO, it was dog crap), tedious side questons, and yes it didn't really have much replay value after it was done...

Batman AA's combat was far from the best, so that's understandable. Weird, you're the 1st person to say the story was crap, it's praised a lot too. And those other flaws are more than enough to bring the score down for me at least, the enemy a.i. could be been a little better than that, yeah, I'm being an ass:P. I give this game a 7.0, and no higher either, I could go lower but that would be nonsensical for me. I called the game ass because it failed to live up to the hype IMO.