Uh Oh X1's memory almost as fast as PS4's now - Digital Foundry

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Everything is theoretical with lems.. Teh clouds, teh secret sauce, teh theoretical powaz

 

Lame. Next...

rjdofu

It was the same with Sony and Teh Cell though

That it did

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Digital Foundry put up an article on X1s memory and the speeds it produces. Apparently tests show that the memory is incredibly capable and 88% more than MS had actually thought before. 

Well-placed development sources have told Digital Foundry that the ESRAM embedded memory within the Xbox One processor is considerably more capable than Microsoft envisaged during pre-production of the console, 
with data throughput levels up to 88 per cent higher in the final hardware.

Bandwidth is at a premium in the Xbox One owing to the slower DDR3 memory employed in the console, which does not compare favourably to the 8GB unified pool of GDDR5 in the PlayStation 4. 
The 32MB of "embedded static RAM" within the Xbox One processor aims to make up the difference, and was previously thought to sustain a peak theoretical throughput of 102GB/s - 
useful, but still some way behind the 176GB/s found in PlayStation 4's RAM set-up. 
Now that close-to-final silicon is available, Microsoft has revised its own figures upwards significantly, telling developers that 192GB/s is now theoretically possibletormentos

Things just got Reaaaal interesting. Cows positives of the PS4 over X1 seem to be fading fast these days. This is shaping up to be one hell of a console war

More at the link

First of all the xbox one could read faster than it can write.

Second it could have 250GB bandwidht,if there is no power to fill it,it means nothing as the 7850 and 7870 are no bandwidth starved,neither is the 7770 or 7790,you have the bandwidth effective to your power best usage,so using 250GB bandwidth on a 1.23 TF GPU mean little.

Weaker console is still weaker. Adding a muffler to a stock beatle won't outpace a Ferrari

Nice one Sean. You've got the Cows to come damage control :lol:clyde46

Yesterday it was PRT,today is magical bandwidth multiplyer..

MS damage controlling..:lol:

[QUOTE="legalize82"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Things just got Reaaaal interesting. Cows positives of the PS4 over X1 seem to be fading fast these days. This is shaping up to be one hell of a console war

More at the link

seanmcloughlin

It still is, but nowhere near as big a gap as people thought. GDDR5 is also worse for the CPU while DDR3 is better due to latency

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

 

Riiight..

Douevenlift_bro

Wow, what a well thought out post. Why don't you think so? 

Lame. Next...

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="legalize82"] gddr5-------> ddr3legalize82

It still is, but nowhere near as big a gap as people thought. GDDR5 is also worse for the CPU while DDR3 is better due to latency

Again, it's all theoretical until we have the consoles in front of us. From both parties

Ouch.

Weaker console is still weaker. Adding a muffler to a stock beatle won't outpace a Ferrari

Douevenlift_bro

Yep is like putting a truck muffler into a Hyundai Accent and expect it to run like a Hyunday Elantra to be more exact.

Oh how I can't wait to see how much better PS4 games will look compared to the Xbox One, Lems will suddenly act like they don't care again. LOL
"Bu bu bu the PS2 had inferior graphics to the original Xbox and it still won, we don't care about graphics"

In reality, they're very close. Too close to really care.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Nice one Sean. You've got the Cows to come damage control :lol:seanmcloughlin

It's what I do :cool: Serious DC already

 

Again, it's all theoretical until we have the consoles in front of us. From both parties

seanmcloughlin

Your thread is silly and i will let it run a little more before delivering the real ownage..:lol:

yea yea yea all i see is pr spins. however you look at it. GDDR5>GDDR3

Ultimately, both consoles got their fronts covered as far as RAM is concerned, so why even bother discussing that?

The real difference will be on the GPU side... though I wonder if PS4's hardware advantage will be big enough for the multiplat devs to justify paying special attention to it and make the PS4 versions of the games look signifficaly better than the X1 versions.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

 

Again, it's all theoretical until we have the consoles in front of us. From both parties

tormentos

Your thread is silly and i will let it run a little more before delivering the real ownage..:lol:

What ownage?clyde46

Na not now lets wait until the real lemmings join..:lol:

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

 

Again, it's all theoretical until we have the consoles in front of us. From both parties

tormentos

Your thread is silly and i will let it run a little more before delivering the real ownage..:lol:

Don't think you've EVER delivered real ownage ever on SW. Many people would agree. I still have this...

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

 

Again, it's all theoretical until we have the consoles in front of us. From both parties

tormentos

Your thread is silly and i will let it run a little more before delivering the real ownage..:lol:

yea yea yea all i see is pr spins. however you look at it. GDDR5>GDDR3

def_mode

THIS HAS BEEN A BAD WEEK FOR THE COWS! 

[QUOTE="clyde46"]What ownage?tormentos

Na not now lets wait until the real lemmings join..:lol:

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

 

Again, it's all theoretical until we have the consoles in front of us. From both parties

tormentos

Your thread is silly and i will let it run a little more before delivering the real ownage..:lol:

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Nice one Sean. You've got the Cows to come damage control :lol:Xaero_Gravity

It's what I do :cool: Serious DC already

Which head? 

I don't know why people are fighting over this now. We will see the real difference between the consoles with their 3rd year exclusives  

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

Ouch.

Weaker console is still weaker. Adding a muffler to a stock beatle won't outpace a Ferrari

tormentos

Yep is like putting a truck muffler into a Hyundai Accent and expect it to run like a Hyunday Elantra to be more exact.

I get this is a troll thread. TC, I respect your efforts at trolling cows.. but ya got to know ya we see through the BS right?

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

 

Again, it's all theoretical until we have the consoles in front of us. From both parties

seanmcloughlin

Your thread is silly and i will let it run a little more before delivering the real ownage..:lol:

Don't think you've EVER delivered real ownage ever on SW. Many people would agree. I still have this...

I don't know why people are fighting over this now. We will see the real difference between the consoles with their 3rd year exclusives

EPaul

Yep...

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Just waiting on those Cows to come rampaging in. seanmcloughlin

They can't seem to catch a break lately lol. After E3 they had so much over lems and now all those positives are blowing in the wind. If this is true and holds up all cows have over them is price really

Price... and

REAL exclusives... and

supported indie development... and

no forced spycam in my living room.

Not to mention that Sony and us gamers forced MS to play nice... MS didn't change policy because it was the right thing to do, they did it because they finally realized "OH SH_T, PEOPLE AREN'T JUST GONNA ROLL OVER AND TAKE IT UP THE A$$"

So whether or not the RAM in both machines is comparable doesn't really matter to me. Both systems will have beautiful looking games, everyone knows this, even the fanboys. (they just won't admit it)

THIS HAS BEEN A BAD WEEK FOR THE COWS! 

Far_RockNYC

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

Ouch.

Weaker console is still weaker. Adding a muffler to a stock beatle won't outpace a Ferrari

Douevenlift_bro

Yep is like putting a truck muffler into a Hyundai Accent and expect it to run like a Hyunday Elantra to be more exact.

I get this is a troll thread. TC, I respect your efforts at trolling cows.. but ya got to know ya we see through the BS right?

Just like how cows saw through 4k, 1080p 60fps and the cell? :lol:

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

Yep is like putting a truck muffler into a Hyundai Accent and expect it to run like a Hyunday Elantra to be more exact.

seanmcloughlin

I get this is a troll thread. TC, I respect your efforts at trolling cows.. but ya got to know ya we see through the BS right?

Just like how cows saw through 4k, 1080p 60fps and the cell? :lol:

''...telling developers that 192GB/s is now theoretically possible.''

Theoretical power barely helped PS3 to keep up against the actual power of the 360.

I'll wait for actual games to judge, but going by specs alone, PS4 still looks to be the most powerful console.

[QUOTE="Xaero_Gravity"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

It's what I do :cool: Serious DC already

seanmcloughlin

Which head? 

Price... and

REAL exclusives... and

supported indie development... and

no forced spycam in my living room.

Not to mention that Sony and us gamers forced MS to play nice... MS didn't change policy because it was the right thing to do, they did it because they finally realized "OH SH_T, PEOPLE AREN'T JUST GONNA ROLL OVER AND TAKE IT UP THE A$$"

So whether or not the RAM in both machines is comparable doesn't really matter to me. Both systems will have beautiful looking games, everyone knows this, even the fanboys. (they just won't admit it)

moistsandwich

Any webcam on a computer is a spycam in your home.

Real exclusives depends on if you enjoy them

PC supports indie WAY more so it's irrelevant

Sony didn't force MS to do anything. Gamers forced Sony to change and MS saw that gamers liked that so they changed too. People need to stop crediting Sony for that

Explains how Quantum Break looks better than every PS4 game combined. ShoulderOfOrion

It doesnt though...

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Lmao :lol:

I get this is a troll thread. TC, I respect your efforts at trolling cows.. but ya got to know ya we see through the BS right?

Douevenlift_bro

Just like how cows saw through 4k, 1080p 60fps and the cell? :lol:

You said Cows see through BS (Ironic?) yet you always fall for the same shit gen after gen. You guys overhype stuff and then it bites you in the ass

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Xaero_Gravity"] They want your head. D:Xaero_Gravity

Which head? 

Same :lol:

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Just like how cows saw through 4k, 1080p 60fps and the cell? :lol:

seanmcloughlin

You said Cows see through BS (Ironic?) yet you always fall for the same shit gen after gen. You guys overhype stuff and then it bites you in the ass

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]Explains how Quantum Break looks better than every PS4 game combined. pelvist

It doesnt though...

 

Don't think you've EVER delivered real ownage ever on SW. Many people would agree. I still have this...

 

seanmcloughlin

Really since you made the thread let this be the first to own you.

Have you forgot the xbox 360 bandwidth.?

http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-4-of-4/

278GB/s 22 from DDR3 + 256gb/s from Edram.

The PS3 had 22GB/s and 25GB/s from XDRAM for a total of 47GB/s..

And on the PS3 vs xbox 360 case the xbox 360 actually has a stronger GPU than the PS3,still it mean nothing...

lol been there done that with bandwidth fairy dust from MS,we all know what that sh** mean already even more now that it has a weaker GPU.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Good, you just proved you're exactly like cows in 2006 :lol: Congrats?

Davekeeh

You said Cows see through BS (Ironic?) yet you always fall for the same shit gen after gen. You guys overhype stuff and then it bites you in the ass

Way to bring in irrelevant info. In a thread about console hardware between lems and cows you bring up games between herms and cows? yeah good job losing sight of things there dave

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

 

Don't think you've EVER delivered real ownage ever on SW. Many people would agree. I still have this...

 

tormentos

Really since you made the thread let this be the first to own you.

Have you forgot the xbox 360 bandwidth.?

http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-4-of-4/

278GB/s 22 from DDR3 + 256gb/s from Edram.

The PS3 had 22GB/s and 25GB/s from XDRAM for a total of 47GB/s..

And on the PS3 vs xbox 360 case the xbox 360 actually has a stronger GPU than the PS3,still it mean nothing...

Lo been there done that with bandwidth fairy dust from MS,we all know what that sh** mean already even more now that it has a weaker GPU.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

 

Don't think you've EVER delivered real ownage ever on SW. Many people would agree. I still have this...

 

tormentos

Really since you made the thread let this be the first to own you.

Have you forgot the xbox 360 bandwidth.?

http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-4-of-4/

278GB/s 22 from DDR3 + 256gb/s from Edram.

The PS3 had 22GB/s and 25GB/s from XDRAM for a total of 47GB/s..

And on the PS3 vs xbox 360 case the xbox 360 actually has a stronger GPU than the PS3,still it mean nothing...

lol been there done that with bandwidth fairy dust from MS,we all know what that sh** mean already even more now that it has a weaker GPU.

PS3 can't even handle open world games :lol:

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Just like how cows saw through 4k, 1080p 60fps and the cell? :lol:

seanmcloughlin

You said Cows see through BS (Ironic?) yet you always fall for the same shit gen after gen. You guys overhype stuff and then it bites you in the ass

Good job I guess :lol:

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]Good, you just proved you're exactly like cows in 2006 :lol: Congrats?

Davekeeh

You said Cows see through BS (Ironic?) yet you always fall for the same shit gen after gen. You guys overhype stuff and then it bites you in the ass

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

 

Don't think you've EVER delivered real ownage ever on SW. Many people would agree. I still have this...

 

tormentos

Really since you made the thread let this be the first to own you.

Have you forgot the xbox 360 bandwidth.?

http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-4-of-4/

278GB/s 22 from DDR3 + 256gb/s from Edram.

The PS3 had 22GB/s and 25GB/s from XDRAM for a total of 47GB/s..

And on the PS3 vs xbox 360 case the xbox 360 actually has a stronger GPU than the PS3,still it mean nothing...

lol been there done that with bandwidth fairy dust from MS,we all know what that sh** mean already even more now that it has a weaker GPU.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

 

Don't think you've EVER delivered real ownage ever on SW. Many people would agree. I still have this...

 

tormentos

Really since you made the thread let this be the first to own you.

Have you forgot the xbox 360 bandwidth.?

http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-4-of-4/

278GB/s 22 from DDR3 + 256gb/s from Edram.

The PS3 had 22GB/s and 25GB/s from XDRAM for a total of 47GB/s..

And on the PS3 vs xbox 360 case the xbox 360 actually has a stronger GPU than the PS3,still it mean nothing...

lol been there done that with bandwidth fairy dust from MS,we all know what that sh** mean already even more now that it has a weaker GPU.

Looks at link "May 20th 2005" :| please bring recent relevant stuff

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

 

Don't think you've EVER delivered real ownage ever on SW. Many people would agree. I still have this...

 

tormentos

Really since you made the thread let this be the first to own you.

Have you forgot the xbox 360 bandwidth.?

http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-4-of-4/

278GB/s 22 from DDR3 + 256gb/s from Edram.

The PS3 had 22GB/s and 25GB/s from XDRAM for a total of 47GB/s..

And on the PS3 vs xbox 360 case the xbox 360 actually has a stronger GPU than the PS3,still it mean nothing...

lol been there done that with bandwidth fairy dust from MS,we all know what that sh** mean already even more now that it has a weaker GPU.