Uncharted 2 'didn't redefine action games'

According to Castlevania: Lords of Shadow producer Dave Cox that is.

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Speaking in the April issue of PSM3, Cox said, "Visually Uncharted 2 is beautiful and it impresses me technically. But does Uncharted 2 redefine 3rd person action games? I don't think that it does."

While Cox enjoyed many aspects of the game, he felt that Uncharted 2's exclusivity to PlayStation means that it cannot be given such a big accolade, "Uncharted 2 is a great game and I enjoyed it immensely. The standouts are the story and the voice acting," he said.

"[But] Uncharted was a single format release. If any game is going to set a benchmark for a genre it would need to do so across multiple platforms."

Hmm... I don't agree with his reasoning (neither do the CVG commenters lol). I think a game can redefine any element in the industry no matter the system it's playable on. So, was Super Mario Bros. not a benchmark for platformers because it wasn't on multiple systems? Naw.

With that said, I like what MercurySteam is doing with the Castlevania franchise :). Looks to be the best 3D translation!

What do you guys/ gals think?

It refined somthing for me. I think its the best action game this gen so far. Its funny how devs like that guy and Epic are using Uncharted 2 as its benchmark:lol:

When I saw the topic name I thought yay another Uncharted 2 hate thread, glad it wasn't.

When I saw the topic name I thought yay another Uncharted 2 hate thread, glad it wasn't.

St_muscat

I dont agree at all. A genre triumph can be done on simply one console me thinks.

And while I like what theyre doing with Castlevania Im much more interested in how Igarashi's 3D Castlevania project will turn out.

I don't think it tried to. Doesn't mean it still didn't blow me away. Naught Dog isPure class.

This is crap. First of all, he clearly and openly says it DOES redefine the genre. But then he says it isn't the benchmark because it isn't on every console. Seriously, what does being an exclusive have to do with whether or not it sets the bar for other games? It is ridiculous to act like only mutliplats, which are often uninteresting sequals or clones of better games, and often hurt by one console getting an inferior ported version, are going to set the standard. If anything, I would argue that the exact opposite has ALWAYS been true.

Second, I think it is ironic that someone working on Castlevania 27 is talking about what defines "setting the benchmark for a genre".

This is crap. First of all, he clearly and openly says it DOES redefine the genre. But then he says it isn't the benchmark because it isn't on every console. Seriously, what does being an exclusive have to do with whether or not it sets the bar for other games? It is ridiculous to act like only mutliplats, which are often uninteresting sequals or clones of better games, and often hurt by one console getting an inferior ported version, are going to set the standard. If anything, I would argue that the exact opposite has ALWAYS been true.

Second, I think it is ironic that someone working on Castlevania 27 is talking about what defines "setting the benchmark for a genre".

ZIMdoom

Thats all bull. Imagine if your a dev with millions in budget.. Your gonna name another game that won as many awards as U2 did by the gaming public. Rather he says it directly or not U2 is the benchmark and he/ sheknows it. Being multiplat would hurt U2 i believe like Crysis will be "different" for being multiplat. Just saying, that guy must have ignored all the awards and scores U2 received lol.

So a game appearing on a single platform can't be a benchmark?

1 word: Crysis

While Cox enjoyed many aspects of the game, he felt that Uncharted 2's exclusivity to PlayStation means that it cannot be given such a big accolade"[But] Uncharted was a single format release. If any game is going to set a benchmark for a genre it would need to do so across multiple platforms."

That reasoning is downright stupid.

[QUOTE="St_muscat"]

When I saw the topic name I thought yay another Uncharted 2 hate thread, glad it wasn't.

Episode_Eve

I wont read his reasons but he's right. It didn't redefine action games. It's just Gears Of War with crap platforming and a character not 70% Cast Iron

So a game appearing on a single platform can't be a benchmark?

1 word: Crysis

NielsNL

Horrible arguement

Well his argument with it being an exclusive is absurd, but he is right. All Uncharted 2 does is take elements done from other games (3rd person cover shooting, platforming) and combine them in a kind of an alternate Indiana Jones/Tomb Raider. Oh and it has nice visuals. Honestly, I never thought this game was all that special, but that's just me.

Lol and his reasoning is because its not multiplate? Tell him to say hello to halo, god of war, SOTC, Mario 64, and many many many more games.

I dont think it defined action games, but it introduced how games can be more cinimatic and movie like IMO. Its mostly with camera work and set pieces, which were never done like they were in uncharted 2

Lol and his reasoning is because its not multiplate? Tell him to say hello to halo, god of war, SOTC, Mario 64, and many many many more games.

I dont think it defined action games, but it introduced how games can be more cinimatic and movie like IMO. Its mostly with camera work and set pieces, which were never done like they were in uncharted 2

Sully28

Mario is the only genre defining game out of those you listed, and it really didn't inspire much change outside of the Nintendo platform, so maybe he has a point.

I wont read his reasons but he's right. It didn't redefine action games. It's just Gears Of War with crap platforming and a character not 70% Cast Iron

-Snooze-

i think uncharted 2 is heavily overrated. This game didn't blow me away in any shape or form (the only thing that surprised me was the simplicity of the platforming and puzzle elements).

well, the game has many wow moments, i thoughts this was what action games are about ......... gun fire and wow moments ......... anyway the game is great.

in a way, aside from HR, other game didn't redfine their genres, all games are more or less the same with different gfx engines, stories and different tricks in the gameplay .

It has the best gunplay out of any third person shooter. It has as good of a cover system as any cover shooter. The Action itself is some of the best in the genre, and the set pieces are well done. I say penalty flag on that man, but that's me. jg4xchamp

I actually felt Gear's gunplay was a lot more fun. But it does have great setpieces.

It has the best gunplay out of any third person shooter. It has as good of a cover system as any cover shooter. The Action itself is some of the best in the genre, and the set pieces are well done. I say penalty flag on that man, but that's me. jg4xchamp

I have never disagreed with a developer more in my life. What does ONE console have anything to do with a redefining a genre? Just because it's not multiplat it's not redefining the genre? Lol :lol:

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]It has the best gunplay out of any third person shooter. It has as good of a cover system as any cover shooter. The Action itself is some of the best in the genre, and the set pieces are well done. I say penalty flag on that man, but that's me. SgtKevali

I actually felt Gear's gunplay was a lot more fun. But it does have great setpieces.

This ^^

Uncharted has Gears beat on everything but gameplay though imo. Maybe not characters, Cole is funny, and the Gears Story has some promise.

I wont read his reasons but he's right. It didn't redefine action games. It's just Gears Of War with crap platforming and a character not 70% Cast Iron

-Snooze-

I dont agree with it redefining action games either but that reasoning seems dumb. Just because its on a single platform?

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]It has the best gunplay out of any third person shooter. It has as good of a cover system as any cover shooter. The Action itself is some of the best in the genre, and the set pieces are well done. I say penalty flag on that man, but that's me. -Snooze-

I actually felt Gear's gunplay was a lot more fun. But it does have great setpieces.

This ^^

Uncharted has Gears beat on everything but gameplay though imo. Maybe not characters, Cole is funny, and the Gears Story has some promise.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

It has the best gunplay out of any third person shooter. It has as good of a cover system as any cover shooter. The Action itself is some of the best in the genre, and the set pieces are well done. I say penalty flag on that man, but that's me. jg4xchamp

I actually felt Gear's gunplay was a lot more fun. But it does have great setpieces.

This ^^

Uncharted has Gears beat on everything but gameplay though imo. Maybe not characters, Cole is funny, and the Gears Story has some promise.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

I wont read his reasons but he's right. It didn't redefine action games. It's just Gears Of War with crap platforming and a character not 70% Cast Iron

Hahadouken

I honestly could not care less how he came to his conclusion, but he came to a correct one.

I also couldnt care less about a game metacritic score. The game is Gears with platforming, poor platforming, if you want to call it that.

You always seem to have a problem with my opinions, maybe you should see someone about that.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]It has the best gunplay out of any third person shooter. It has as good of a cover system as any cover shooter. The Action itself is some of the best in the genre, and the set pieces are well done. I say penalty flag on that man, but that's me. -Snooze-

I actually felt Gear's gunplay was a lot more fun. But it does have great setpieces.

This ^^

Uncharted has Gears beat on everything but gameplay though imo. Maybe not characters, Cole is funny, and the Gears Story has some promise.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

I actually felt Gear's gunplay was a lot more fun. But it does have great setpieces.

2mrw

This ^^

Uncharted has Gears beat on everything but gameplay though imo. Maybe not characters, Cole is funny, and the Gears Story has some promise.

There is no hand to hand combat ... Play the game dude

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

I wont read his reasons but he's right. It didn't redefine action games. It's just Gears Of War with crap platforming and a character not 70% Cast Iron

-Snooze-

I honestly could not care less how he came to his conclusion, but he came to a correct one.

I also couldnt care less about a game metacritic score. The game is Gears with platforming, poor platforming, if you want to call it that.

You always seem to have a problem with my opinions, maybe you should see someone about that.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

I actually felt Gear's gunplay was a lot more fun. But it does have great setpieces.

Episode_Eve

This ^^

Uncharted has Gears beat on everything but gameplay though imo. Maybe not characters, Cole is funny, and the Gears Story has some promise.

You misunderstand me. I said it had promise, much in he way a retarded child can aspire to be slightly less retarded. The ending of Gears 2 was quite promising (Not the boss, but the revelation)

I find Gears to have superior gunplay and cover system, which is more important to me then tacked on platforming. UC2 did have a few puzzles but let's be honest like UC1 they really did solve themselves

"Uncharted was a single format release. If any game is going to set a benchmark for a genre it would need to do so across multiple platforms."

Castlevania guy

I think it's pretty easy to find problems with that statement.

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

This ^^

Uncharted has Gears beat on everything but gameplay though imo. Maybe not characters, Cole is funny, and the Gears Story has some promise.

-Snooze-

There is no hand to hand combat ... Play the game dude

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="2mrw"] Gears gunplay was extremely repeatitive, sluggish and overall not fun except for saw animation.. Hand to hand combat was very limited in gears as well.Hahadouken

There is no hand to hand combat ... Play the game dude

A chainsaw is a hand? Cool. Good news.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

This ^^

Uncharted has Gears beat on everything but gameplay though imo. Maybe not characters, Cole is funny, and the Gears Story has some promise.

-Snooze-

You misunderstand me. I said it had promise, much in he way a retarded child can aspire to be slightly less retarded. The ending of Gears 2 was quite promising (Not the boss, but the revelation)

I find Gears to have superior gunplay and cover system, which is more important to me then tacked on platforming. UC2 did have a few puzzles but let's be honest like UC1 they really did solve themselves

It didnt redefine the genre at all imo. Just was a good game that set a high standard that other games have to aim for now.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"] You won't even read his reasons before making a judgment? "Gears of War with crap platforming" is a pretty simplistic take on the game. It's Metacritic rating trounces both Gears games as well, I guess I'm in good company. 8)Hahadouken

I honestly could not care less how he came to his conclusion, but he came to a correct one.

I also couldnt care less about a game metacritic score. The game is Gears with platforming, poor platforming, if you want to call it that.

You always seem to have a problem with my opinions, maybe you should see someone about that.

Aside from platforming elements the games play very, VERY alike. His conlcusion was correct, Uncharted hasn't redfefined anything, at all ...

And once again, Metacritic means less to me then Albania(Wherever that is) as do GOTY nominations. I'd also argue that judging by its sales and online figures, it dosen;t mean much to a lot of others either

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] Man, nooo. Gears' story is the worst aspect of the franchise lol. Pretentious, predictable, and hilariously bad. As for gameplay, I think UC2 is more dynamic and fun than Gears. Gears 1 will always have a special place in my heart though. I sunk countless hours every night into MP :D.Hahadouken

You misunderstand me. I said it had promise, much in he way a retarded child can aspire to be slightly less retarded. The ending of Gears 2 was quite promising (Not the boss, but the revelation)

I find Gears to have superior gunplay and cover system, which is more important to me then tacked on platforming. UC2 did have a few puzzles but let's be honest like UC1 they really did solve themselves

You know full well whatI mean. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. They were not challenging, and during UC1 at times the diary may aswell have told you exactly what and when to do something.

I wont read his reasons but he's right. It didn't redefine action games. It's just Gears Of War with crap platforming and a character not 70% Cast Iron

-Snooze-