Uncharted 3 Hate (In retrospect)- Justified or Not?

Why I was disappointed with Uncharted 3:

It was too linear/scripted/whatever. Uncharted 2 had it just right. It was a game that really felt like it was a cinematic "movie-game". Uncharted 3 felt at times a little too close to the movie part.

The story was stupid. In Uncharted 2, the story was better and made more sense. The third left too many questions and had too many plot holes. Chloe is much worse in this game, and it's weird how Cutter and Chloe just disappear after a certain part of the game. It feels unorganized

The beginning dragged on too long. This kinda goes back to the first bullet. There was too much just walking around doing nothing while listening to the characters talk and moving the analog stick forward. It makes replaying the game a drag.

Naughty Dog failed with the villains. I didn't care for the new villains. I actually felt the villains in U2 and 1 were better because they felt like characters I wanted to hate for a good reason. This time, they just felt annoying and not deep enough for them to really affect you the way ND wanted them to.

The two biggest set pieces were almost back to back. Call that poor pacing. They should have thrown one in the beginning.

Things I liked:

Cutter is cool.

Last half is really really good.

The ship and horseback setpieces were really well done and better than anything in U2.

Close Combat is much better this time around.

Multiplayer is better.

Some great new weapons.

When I'm in control and playing the game, it's a blast.

I'd give it an even 9.0. Outstanding game that trips all over itself...yet just still good enough to be a 9.0.

I had next to no issues with the game. On my first playthrough however I was dissapointed. But I have now finished the gamethree times since release and I can say without hesitation that it's better than Uncharted 2, in my own opinion, of course.

With Uncharted 2 I felt the game dragged a bit in the last two hours. Whereas Uncharted 3 ended exactly where I felt it should. The boss battle was much more engrossing this time around. I was not a fan of the first two hours but I have found myself appreciating it more once it did pick up.

My problems with the aiming were gone by the second playthrough due to me being used to how it controlled and once again had no issues with it. In the end my only gripe with Uncharted 3 is that it has more bugs than previous games in the series. Other than that I can't find anything to complain about. It's easily my pick for Game Of The Year.

Why I was disappointed with Uncharted 3:It was too linear/sciptedAmayaPapaya

It annoys the hell out of me when people complain about a game being linear. Every f****ing game ever made is linear. Some just hide it better than others. Every game has a story with certain main points you must hit in a certain order. Whether there are "side quests" or not doesn't mean it isn't linear. Do people complain about movies or books being linear??? Since when is linear a bad thing. Life itself goes from point a to point b people. Get over it and enjoy the game for what it is. It is one hell of a ride with an amazing story, great puzzles, fun cover mechanics, treasures to find, and tons of dude to take out in combat.nightshade869

It annoys the hell out of me when people complain about a game being linear. Every f****ing game ever made is linear. Some just hide it better than others. Every game has a story with certain main points you must hit in a certain order. Whether there are "side quests" or not doesn't mean it isn't linear. Do people complain about movies or books being linear??? Since when is linear a bad thing. Life itself goes from point a to point b people. Get over it and enjoy the game for what it is. It is one hell of a ride with an amazing story, great puzzles, fun cover mechanics, treasures to find, and tons of dude to take out in combat.

nightshade869

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"] The gameplay was fine for me since I played on hard mode and didn't experience any A.I. issues. Heirren

Really? I played it on hard and I can't tell you the amount of times an enemy killed themselves with grenades.

Anybody mind listing what people found as plot holes? I just finished the game a few days ago. (spoiler tags, of course, for those that haven't beaten the game.)

Anybody mind listing what people found as plot holes? I just finished the game a few days ago. (spoiler tags, of course, for those that haven't beaten the game.)

Heirren

Its a good game. I was one of those people who LOVED Drake's Fortune, my 2007 GOTY. Uncharted 2 was better in every way. I did not expect to enjoy 3 more than I enjoyed 2, but I was hoping after one playthrough, I wouldn't prefer to play Uncharted 2 over 3. They could have released the same day and Uncharted 2 would still be the vastly better game. The multiplayer lost that simple charm in this iteration, the story drags with only one great reveal (which really was GREAT!), the shooting isn't as tight, the pacing is worse, the set pieces aren't as good, and it feels more linear. I can live with loosing control of Drake, but they take control from you a LOT and your always aware of it happening. Uncharted 2 is about 50 times greater than Uncharted 3. Hell I think I might like Drake's Fortune better to this day.

EDIT: I will say I'm happy that Naughty Dog was using half their team to bring us The Last of Us. I would stop thinking they were the best developers ever if they had all their manpower working on such a disappointment.

[QUOTE="WTA2k5"]

The plot had some pretty major flaws. People make a too big a deal of some (the cruise ship sequence, while out of place, was still a fun enough level that I don't care much about its lack of connection to the plot), but the story is absolutely riddled with plot holes. If you can get beyond the amazing presentation and witty dialog, there are some really glaring narrative problems.

brofists

I have played through Uncharted 3, but good try. The cruise ship level was totally unnecessary. Drake wakes up on board, is lead to believe that Sully's there, kills everyone, finds out Sully isn't there, and miraculously ends up right in front of the town he's supposed to meet Elena in. Not only could they have skipped over that whole scene without making much of a difference at all, but no amount of suspension of disbelief will allow me to buy into the fact that Nate somehow ends drifting ashore to the exact spot he's supposed to be from a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean. I'm not a lem or a "hater", I played through the first two Uncharted games and liked them both (Uncharted 2 is, in my mind, a masterpiece). If anything, you seem to be blindly praising the game.

I literally just finished the game 10 minutes ago. For me its basically a broken mess of a storyline that connects a bunch of very fun and beautiful levels.

I still think the first game is the best one. I hated the direction Uncharted 2 took towards the end.

Well some people just have different opinions and won't like it, that's fair. But I thin alot of the people that hate it have never played it before, they just don't want to admit they wish they could play it but they can't, so rather then deal with it like an adult they try to convince themselves they hate it. It's all due to the socio economic situation of things: they are too poor to buy another system.

not justified. uc 3 is a pretty fun game.

Well some people just have different opinions and won't like it, that's fair. But I thin alot of the people that hate it have never played it before, they just don't want to admit they wish they could play it but they can't, so rather then deal with it like an adult they try to convince themselves they hate it. It's all due to the socio economic situation of things: they are too poor to buy another system.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Well some people just have different opinions and won't like it, that's fair. But I thin alot of the people that hate it have never played it before, they just don't want to admit they wish they could play it but they can't, so rather then deal with it like an adult they try to convince themselves they hate it. It's all due to the socio economic situation of things: they are too poor to buy another system.

BibiMaghoo

I played it at friends house, get over it. I like the game, I don't have to "prove" anything to some mamzer on the internet. The game rocks!

[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Well some people just have different opinions and won't like it, that's fair. But I thin alot of the people that hate it have never played it before, they just don't want to admit they wish they could play it but they can't, so rather then deal with it like an adult they try to convince themselves they hate it. It's all due to the socio economic situation of things: they are too poor to buy another system.

ShadowMoses900

I played it at friends house, get over it. I like the game, I don't have to "prove" anything to some mamzer on the internet. The game rocks!

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"] So what is your excuse for doing the reverse Shadow? You have never played UC3, yet you praise it like the second coming. I had a look at your PSN ID, and youve no sign of the game on your profile. The last time your trophies updated was the 21st December, so unless youve played it all in the last few days and traveled back in time to praise it...... .....then you are so full of S*** I cannot imagine why you bother posting anything at all.........BibiMaghoo

I played it at friends house, get over it. I like the game, I don't have to "prove" anything to some mamzer on the internet. The game rocks!

I didn't play the campaign, just multiplayer and it was split screen. I was logged into my account while my friend was logged into his (you can have two accounts logged in on U3) I only watched my friend play the campaign. But I liked what I played and what I saw, and I couldn't care less if people hate my opinions or not, it doesn't bother me. It's just the internet, it takes more then some random people online to make me upset lol.

Merry Christmas

UC2>UC3>UC

Still great game.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Anybody mind listing what people found as plot holes? I just finished the game a few days ago. (spoiler tags, of course, for those that haven't beaten the game.)

FlamesOfGrey

I think it's a close one, not sure which I like better.

Uncharted 2 had an amazing campaign, and a cool twist with the yetis... until they wrecked with the Avatars. The end fight was also meh.

Uncharted 2 could offer bigger fights just because of the story. You're fighting a warlord... he has access to helicopters and tanks.

Uncharted 3 has you fighting a smaller fight against a secret group, and therefore has smaller fights with the agents. No tanks.

But the story felt way tighter, and I loved that they didn't have a twist, and a 'scientific' explanation. The ending was fair. Also, great villains. The cliche thing to say about female villains is that they're a b****, but Marlowe was... sinister, diabolical.

The only bad thing about Uncharted 3 was Chapter 6, The Chateau. It brought nothing new to the table, the jungle graphics, or at least the ground, was very meh, and the whole level felt very uninspired. The only weak thing in the game.

TL; DR They both have good and 'bad', prefer whichever you want.

[QUOTE="brofists"][QUOTE="WTA2k5"]

The plot had some pretty major flaws. People make a too big a deal of some (the cruise ship sequence, while out of place, was still a fun enough level that I don't care much about its lack of connection to the plot), but the story is absolutely riddled with plot holes. If you can get beyond the amazing presentation and witty dialog, there are some really glaring narrative problems.

WTA2k5

I have played through Uncharted 3.

I literally just finished the game 10 minutes ago. For me its basically a broken mess of a story line..

Console_Gamer93

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Well some people just have different opinions and won't like it, that's fair. But I thin alot of the people that hate it have never played it before, they just don't want to admit they wish they could play it but they can't, so rather then deal with it like an adult they try to convince themselves they hate it. It's all due to the socio economic situation of things: they are too poor to buy another system.

BibiMaghoo

I think it's a close one, not sure which I like better.

Uncharted 2 had an amazing campaign, and a cool twist with the yetis... until they wrecked with the Avatars. The end fight was also meh.

Uncharted 2 could offer bigger fights just because of the story. You're fighting a warlord... he has access to helicopters and tanks.

Uncharted 3 has you fighting a smaller fight against a secret group, and therefore has smaller fights with the agents. No tanks.

But the story felt way tighter, and I loved that they didn't have a twist, and a 'scientific' explanation. The ending was fair. Also, great villains. The cliche thing to say about female villains is that they're a b****, but Marlowe was... sinister, diabolical.

The only bad thing about Uncharted 3 was Chapter 6, The Chateau. It brought nothing new to the table, the jungle graphics, or at least the ground, was very meh, and the whole level felt very uninspired. The only weak thing in the game.

TL; DR They both have good and 'bad', prefer whichever you want.

muzik_mafia

[QUOTE="Console_Gamer93"]

I literally just finished the game 10 minutes ago. For me its basically a broken mess of a story line..

brofists

That's why I have the trophy for beating the game on normal in my sig. :) (should be there soon when the site updates my trophy card)

If you read what ND said they had levels designed before any kind of plot was made and then pieced it together and it shows.

[QUOTE="brofists"][QUOTE="Console_Gamer93"]

I literally just finished the game 10 minutes ago. For me its basically a broken mess of a story line..

Console_Gamer93

That's why I have the trophy for beating the game on normal in my sig. :) (should be there soon when the site updates my trophy card)

If you read what ND said they had levels designed before any kind of plot was made and then pieced it together and it shows.

I mean, even if you put aside the fact that the mutliplayer isn't nearly as good as Uncharted 2's, that the controls are a lot sloppier, that the A.I. is horrible, that the pacing is off and that the story drags on and doesn't really go anywhere interesting, my biggest complaint is that there is absolutely nothing in this game that Drake does in Uncharted 3 that he can't do in Uncharted 2.. nothing of conciquence anyways.. There is nothing here AT ALL from a gameplay perspecitive that is new, nothing. It is the exact same game as uncharted 2, and is completely relient on the cinematic aspect of the game to set it apart from Uncharted 2 because otherwise everything else is exactly the same.

I mean, there is more an emphasis on combat, I guess... but its not like you COULDN'T walk up to a guy and punch him in the first two games... They just present it slightly differently.. And the combat isn't even fun anyway so what difference does it make. There was nothing here to keep me interested in this game, because as much as I loved Uncharted 2 and Drakes fortune, I'd rather just replay those than play this game.

[QUOTE="brofists"][QUOTE="Console_Gamer93"]

I literally just finished the game 10 minutes ago. For me its basically a broken mess of a story line..

Console_Gamer93

That's why I have the trophy for beating the game on normal in my sig. :) (should be there soon when the site updates my trophy card)

If you read what ND said they had levels designed before any kind of plot was made and then pieced it together and it shows.

I didn't know there was that much hate for the game. Honestly I'm kind of disappointed in the story in terms of being more of the same thing from uncharted 2. And is it just me or did Katherine Marlowe really didn't do anything as a villain? I thought she was supposed to be the main villain and talbot was just her henchmen.

And why would anyone use linearity as an argument against uncharted?:| Thats like saying you hate skyrim because its an open world game...its their structure and the argument therefore doesn't make any sense.

I mean, even if you put aside the fact that the mutliplayer isn't nearly as good as Uncharted 2's, that the controls are a lot sloppier, that the A.I. is horrible, that the pacing is off and that the story drags on and doesn't really go anywhere interesting, my biggest complaint is that there is absolutely nothing in this game that Drake does in Uncharted 3 that he can't do in Uncharted 2.. nothing of conciquence anyways.. There is nothing here AT ALL from a gameplay perspecitive that is new, nothing. It is the exact same game as uncharted 2, and is completely relient on the cinematic aspect of the game to set it apart from Uncharted 2 because otherwise everything else is exactly the same.

I mean, there is more an emphasis on combat, I guess... but its not like you COULDN'T walk up to a guy and punch him in the first two games... They just present it slightly differently.. And the combat isn't even fun anyway so what difference does it make. There was nothing here to keep me interested in this game, because as much as I loved Uncharted 2 and Drakes fortune, I'd rather just replay those than play this game.

VendettaRed07

I like uncharted 3more because it brought the game back to being about drake and sully. Not like UC2 which was drake's angels. We get a little bit or sully but the rest of the game it is drake and two laides (who I actually prefer to other females in games).

I didn't know there was that much hate for the game. Honestly I'm kind of disappointed in the story in terms of being more of the same thing from uncharted 2. And is it just me or did Katherine Marlowe really didn't do anything as a villain? I thought she was supposed to be the main villain and talbot was just her henchmen.

And why would anyone use linearity as an argument against uncharted?:| Thats like saying you hate skyrim because its an open world game...its their structure and the argument therefore doesn't make any sense.

PSdual_wielder

I voted the first choice since I'm a fan of the Indiana Jones and Tomb Raider games and movies. Just like the Indiana Jones movies, the UC franchise will have its ups and downs. As a whole I like it.

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

I mean, even if you put aside the fact that the mutliplayer isn't nearly as good as Uncharted 2's, that the controls are a lot sloppier, that the A.I. is horrible, that the pacing is off and that the story drags on and doesn't really go anywhere interesting, my biggest complaint is that there is absolutely nothing in this game that Drake does in Uncharted 3 that he can't do in Uncharted 2.. nothing of conciquence anyways.. There is nothing here AT ALL from a gameplay perspecitive that is new, nothing. It is the exact same game as uncharted 2, and is completely relient on the cinematic aspect of the game to set it apart from Uncharted 2 because otherwise everything else is exactly the same.

I mean, there is more an emphasis on combat, I guess... but its not like you COULDN'T walk up to a guy and punch him in the first two games... They just present it slightly differently.. And the combat isn't even fun anyway so what difference does it make. There was nothing here to keep me interested in this game, because as much as I loved Uncharted 2 and Drakes fortune, I'd rather just replay those than play this game.

brofists

Hey Brofists

[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Well some people just have different opinions and won't like it, that's fair. But I thin alot of the people that hate it have never played it before, they just don't want to admit they wish they could play it but they can't, so rather then deal with it like an adult they try to convince themselves they hate it. It's all due to the socio economic situation of things: they are too poor to buy another system.

brofists

Lol. I just beat the game 2 days ago and it was a great game. Anyone who says it's awful, hasn't played it. Is it better than uncharted 2? Hell no. Very few games can top what uncharted 2 did in 2009. Is it still a fun, visually stunning, audiolly (new word) flawless game? Yes.

I mean, even if you put aside the fact that the mutliplayer isn't nearly as good as Uncharted 2's, that the controls are a lot sloppier, that the A.I. is horrible, that the pacing is off and that the story drags on and doesn't really go anywhere interesting, my biggest complaint is that there is absolutely nothing in this game that Drake does in Uncharted 3 that he can't do in Uncharted 2.. nothing of conciquence anyways.. There is nothing here AT ALL from a gameplay perspecitive that is new, nothing. It is the exact same game as uncharted 2, and is completely relient on the cinematic aspect of the game to set it apart from Uncharted 2 because otherwise everything else is exactly the same.

I mean, there is more an emphasis on combat, I guess... but its not like you COULDN'T walk up to a guy and punch him in the first two games... They just present it slightly differently.. And the combat isn't even fun anyway so what difference does it make. There was nothing here to keep me interested in this game, because as much as I loved Uncharted 2 and Drakes fortune, I'd rather just replay those than play this game.

VendettaRed07

The fist fights were some of the highlights for me, actually. Thought it was brilliant. Reminded me of the 16bit button masher days, mixed with a tad of interactive qtes. It is a big area of improvement here over Uncharted2. I think the real reason people are a little let down is that Uncharted 2 was really a one-off game in that it brought that WOW factor.

I voted the first choice since I'm a fan of the Indiana Jones and Tomb Raider games and movies. Just like the Indiana Jones movies, the UC franchise will have its ups and downs. As a whole I like it.

jun_aka_pekto

[QUOTE="brofists"][QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]I mean, even if you put aside the fact that the mutliplayer isn't nearly as good as Uncharted 2's, that the controls are a lot sloppier, that the A.I. is horrible, that the pacing is off and that the story drags on and doesn't really go anywhere interesting, my biggest complaint is that there is absolutely nothing in this game that Drake does in Uncharted 3 that he can't do in Uncharted 2.. nothing of conciquence anyways.. There is nothing here AT ALL from a gameplay perspecitive that is new, nothing. It is the exact same game as uncharted 2, and is completely relient on the cinematic aspect of the game to set it apart from Uncharted 2 because otherwise everything else is exactly the same.I mean, there is more an emphasis on combat, I guess... but its not like you COULDN'T walk up to a guy and punch him in the first two games... They just present it slightly differently.. And the combat isn't even fun anyway so what difference does it make. There was nothing here to keep me interested in this game, because as much as I loved Uncharted 2 and Drakes fortune, I'd rather just replay those than play this game.CanYouDiglt

Hey lem! The typical "u mad" lol how original ! It figures though, because you are a lem after all, and lems lack total originality! Right!? All that your brain washed xbot drone infested minds can come up with is...."u mad" and the other dumb childesh ish that illerate tards like Slashess, karateechop, and DrhouseCane come up with lol. Lol u goofball lems! Go back under the bridges u came from. By the way merry xmas!brofists

God damn lems :x

and lems lack total originality!brofists

As do you, I mean, you have the same. exact. posting style. as. ActionJunkie. You both have the same IQ as your Gamespot level too. :o

[QUOTE="brofists"]and lems lack total originality!Slashless

As do you, I mean, you have the same. exact. posting style. as. ActionJunkie. You both have the same IQ as your Gamespot level too. :o

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="brofists"] There is absolutely nothing.....nothing about your post....and I mean nothing that should be taken even remotely serious. How about that? Its a sequel, so what did you expect - for it to suddenly reinvent the wheel , and change up all its gameplay mechanics, When in fact, NO other sequel has ever done so itself!? You f'n TARD! It improved upon its mechanics like any great sequel should do. Now of course, it was more of the same as Uncharted 2, which is a good thing, BUT except that, as a sequel, it was also bigger, badder, better, and more improved then ever before, and that IS and WAS an even greater thing! And that should have been all you could ask for as a TRUE FAN of the Uncharted series, like you claimed to be. But I see through your act, you ain't a true fan, and saying so, isn't going to give your ridiculous "criticisms" or misguided opinions any more weight to them. For you to only hold Uncharted 3 to that insane standard, it proves how ignorant you are. You sir are a douchey nit picker. And there is nothing about your post that was based in any type of resonable criticism or rational logic! Everything about your post was over opinionated whining! - And with nothing but your generic discrediting methods applied over and over again! - P.s I highly suggest that you go read all of page 3 though. I feel like some of those posts were talking about men just like you, and that they described you and all the other forum dwellers to a damn tee. "gamers like you disgust me" But look, the fact of the matter is, that REAL gamers in the real world, not on the gamespot forums, have enjoyed Uncharted 3 for what it was.brofists

but seriously

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I voted the first choice since I'm a fan of the Indiana Jones and Tomb Raider games and movies. Just like the Indiana Jones movies, the UC franchise will have its ups and downs. As a whole I like it.

brofists

I was glad there was no boss battle, because Uncharted 2's final boss fight was pure and utter garbage.

[QUOTE="brofists"][QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I voted the first choice since I'm a fan of the Indiana Jones and Tomb Raider games and movies. Just like the Indiana Jones movies, the UC franchise will have its ups and downs. As a whole I like it.

DragonfireXZ95

I was glad there was no boss battle, because Uncharted 2's final boss fight was pure and utter garbage.

UnrealLegend