Uncharted 4 was inspired by Anita Sarkeesian's fight against "sexism" in the video game industry.

well their approval of sarkeeseian and the pro-GG movement hasn't affected their games thus far. the last of us had great characters and writing as did uncharted 4.

To be honest the whole feminist thing is getting a little out of control. If you have some person in your company who always ask (what if its a girl)? Then she needs a new job.

I loved UC4 but to be honest the fact Nadine was such a bad ass was laughable and hilarious. Drake is the guy who takes out 6 dudes in a room in a bar fight yet he can't beat a buff chick one on one? This concept that woman can be just as tough as man is simply laughable and untrue. Yes you may have your exceptions . A top notch female MMA fighter may able to take out random men who sit in a cubicle all day. But put her against any MMA fighter in the top 10 and she would get wrecked. Men in general are physically stronger that is a scientific fact due to the hormones we produce and our bone density. Its ironic that the Party of science(Liberals) cant accept this.

Yeeeh I wasn't bothered by any of this. Honestly I didn't even notice until this article. Cool story, I guess.

That was kind of the point. Nate's the kind of guy that wins bar fights, he's not a trained fighter like Nadine.

And this is just silly. Someone in a creative position should absolutely share creative input.

If you spend the overwhelming majority of the time you spend talking about games complaining about games, no one should care what what you have to say.

We are in the golden age of gaming. Regardless of your platforms you don't merely have more options then ever before, you have a freaking ton more options then ever before. Regardless of your niche you are not just pandered to ever once in a while, you are constantly catered to. Not only will you find a verity of options, you will find clones of those options, and find them spread out so you have multiple ways to play.

If you can look at that landscape and fine more to harp on then celebrate, then your just a hater, and enthusiasts shouldn't give you attention.

@Slashkice: He takes out 6 men by his self in a fist fight and wipes out her whole army but can't beat her and that seems the slightest bit realistic to you?

That's my point... she shouldn't be in a creative position when her entire priority is to push an agenda.

@AM-Gamer: I could theoretically buy Nadine being that tough, but there is a serious issue of it being unexplained. Drake is a brawler for the most part, a very good brawler but still a brawler. So, the equivalent to a well trained MMA female fighter I could see taking him down with skill. Now Nadine I don't think looks the part but let's give her the benefit of the doubt and say she is. The problem is, where did she get this level of skill? Now, at first you might think, she's in charge of a PMC, she's been trained. Okay, but then why are all her men in that PMC incompetent idiots in a fist fight by comparison?! And I mean totally incompetent. While she is able to take Drake down one on one with basic ease, and even handle both Drake and Sam simultaneously, while either Drake or Sam can overwhelm her PMC soldiers often in a single exchange. That is a huge gulf in skill level. Further making this an issue is pretty much every soldier you could find is going to have at least some hand to hand combat training meaning that Drake (and Sam) both are able to easily overwhelm that, but are totally overwhelmed by Nadine's level. This means either she's only hiring incompetents, which doesn't say much for her leadership ability which seems contrary to her implied character, or she has gotten a lot of completely unrelated training. Of those, I'd say the latter is more in character, but why would she get this level of training? Being an MMA level fighter, especially with the kind of skill she has on display, isn't something you do on the side, it is a serious piece of training. I have real doubts anyone could do the kind of double duty you'd need to do to maintain and operate the PMC and keep your skill and physical ability up to such a high level.

Probably the biggest cause of this is the game has to work. This would be a lot more believable if the PMCs were far better hand to hand opponents, but that would make the game a real headache. But still, they should have better explained things. Really though my biggest beef with Nadine is the developers should simply have made the fights with her cutscenes. Your ability to impact those fight was so non-existent as to make you wonder why they even bothered giving you control.

That fight was too dumb. A well trained woman cannot take down one tough guy, let alone two tough guys.

Why people listen to that fraud? Some Youtubers clowned her so badly.

No... being anti-sarkeesian isnt conservative, its anti-3rd wave feminist BS.

Anita's videos are full of s*it, she makes up things, has no real academic insight into anything, and managed to mooch alot of money out of bandwagon twits.

Yeah. A woman beating a man in a fight really isn't that crazy.

Why does suggesting a different gender have to be about pushing an agenda?

@Jag85:I agree with that, we just have to let them develop how they want and be influenced or inspired by who they want, just buy what you like from studios who you enjoy.

Its why i love Nintendo so much, been attempting diversity since day one. Innovators never get the credit they deserve.

@dotWithShoes: The problem with this argument is "is the story pushed forward more if it's a man?" A lot of the time, the gender of the protagonist in games barely even matters, so when you say that it might not be bettered if it's a woman, well, a lot of the time it isn't bettered if it's a man either.

@princeofshapeir: The equivalent of discussing Souls lore this

That playtester sounds like a total crybaby.

I never would have known it if it hadn't been told to me.

The story was fine without knowing it so I guess it doesn't matter.

@thepclovingguy: The Nadine part of the game was extremely minor anyway, she was basically a black Lara Croft from the 90's. It didn't hurt the game at all.

I never really got this from playing the game. I guess at the end of the day I don't really pay attention to it.

I fail to see what was so bad about this, and how no one thinks that focus tester is a little shit?

I know gamers and especially you fuckers on this forum, go out of your way to be dumb as ****, but surely you see nothing of value was even remotely compromised? And the part where "well the woman doesn't add anything either", yeah but the they idea is that they actually made an effort to have a diverse roster, because the quality of the characters should matter more. That and given that it's Druckmann, he's not going to Bioware it, who have to telegraph their diversity (which is shit writing).

In the second game, while a train car was hanging over a cliff edge, he dropped straight on a solid steel rail with his back, and held on. But no a trained woman beating up a dude is where your suspension of disbelief had issues.

So in other words if the Naughty Dog heads were approached by a woman and punched they'd ask themselves "what would I do if it were a man", they'd have to punch them back, right? If they didn't that'd be sexist. And I'd they did, that'd likely be seen as sexist. What to do, what to do...

@jg4xchamp: well that would tell me he's quite the bad ass but somehow can't land a fucking punch on this chick.

And a lot of that has to do with how she's developed as a highly skilled fighter, who wouldn't have an issue being able to telegraph moves from someone who merely gets into brawls.

A woman with extensive martial arts training would absolutely beat the crap out of a man who lacks martial arts training. The unrealistic bit would be the part where Nathan wipes out her whole army, not the part where he gets beaten up by a trained female fighter.

Why is it okay for men to keep doing unrealistic things, but not okay for women to do anything even remotely unrealistic? If that's how developers thought, we wouldn't have Lara Croft, the female character that Nathan Drake owes his existence to.

Yeah she's a trained fighter, meanwhile Drake's depicition has always been every man. Naughty Dog's sloppy writing at times aside, this one had genuine justification for it. She's presented as an actual threat to Nathan Drake, because she isn't some shmuck Nate fights in a bar, she's a straight up bad ass. It's no different than when The Boss beat the ever loving shit out of Naked Snake in MGS3, he couldn't lay a finger on her in 3 different scenes in that game.

Who? Also, people in this thread have absolutely no idea what martial arts are, apparently.

Playtester sounds made up.

The ****?

How Can She Slap?

A little is wildly underselling it.

Not little bit of a shit bobbert; but "A little shit". I'm saying he small too. In my mind he nerd voiced when he said "not you too naughty dog".

1. I remember Nathan Drake Panting quite loudly and frequently during the fight. He was obviously exhausted.

2. The techniques the woman used were clearly far superior to the techniques used by Drake and Sam

@thepclovingguy: A couple of things:

1- We have a spoiler function. USE IT!

2- Even if this thread hadn't gone in the wrong way (see 3), the topic itself wouldn't be very much a SW topic.

3- Thanks to the usual pseudo-political shenaningans displayed on this thread, it's a lock. System Wars is not a place for politics nor even GamerGate style topics. Head to the General Games Discussion board for that.

So yeah, it's a lock.