uncharted demo CANT fit on dvd!

thats right just go to gametrailers and whatch the video, the guy says it towards the end!

http://www.gametrailers.com/?p=ps3

its the "uncahrted onstage demonstration HD"

and there are so many games that look amazing on ps3 OMG

note the HALO2/HALO3 comparison looks funny, 360 is very much xbox 1.5 lol

i never hated on MS until u xbox fanboys talked so much crap, the tables will turn soon enough. Seriously i dare u xbox fanboys not to buy a ps3 in the next couple of years! lol

Actually, I took it as a shameless plug for the Blu-ray more than anything else. Is it really necessary to mention that?Zhengi

While I agree it was a shameless plug, if it's true, that doesn't change the fact any less.

Though I have a small feeling that he meant a DVD5 and not DVD9, but still. 

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]Actually, I took it as a shameless plug for the Blu-ray more than anything else. Is it really necessary to mention that?Vampyronight

While I agree it was a shameless plug, if it's true, that doesn't change the fact any less.

Though I have a small feeling that he meant a DVD5 and not DVD9, but still.

probably right 

I guess that demo won't be downloadable on psn. :?Harbadakus

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]Actually, I took it as a shameless plug for the Blu-ray more than anything else. Is it really necessary to mention that?Vampyronight

While I agree it was a shameless plug, if it's true, that doesn't change the fact any less.

Though I have a small feeling that he meant a DVD5 and not DVD9, but still. 

If it could fit on DVD9 the demo would include more than half of the game. Although, I think HDD installation is the way to go (when MS stops ripping us off with their HDD).

Must get a Blu-ray!!!!

Seriously, who gives a crap what that dude said, looks like Ken Kutaragi wrote most of that crap to sell some Ps3s and Blu Ray players

I know I heard him say that, but I thought maybe i didn't hear him right...holy crap the demo can't even fit on a dvd...just imagine complex the entire game is....and all I hear on these boards is "blu-ray is not needed".  If there's blu-ray it will be used for a better experience.Evil-Zero86

Yeah I'm going to swap out my DVD 9 for a blu ray for the better experience that even though I never would have experienced it anyway I should care now cause the Naughty Dog guy says I should or the cow on the game forum's thinks I need it

If Oblivion and other great 360 games can fit on a DVD then Naughty Dog are either liars or use awful compression methods.braydee1234

all devs working with the ps3 aren't using compression at all. 

Must get a Blu-ray!!!!

Seriously, who gives a crap what that dude said, looks like Ken Kutaragi wrote most of that crap to sell some Ps3s and Blu Ray players

 

Fruity_Fantasy

So should we not give a crap what you say either? That sounds fair then.

[QUOTE="Evil-Zero86"]I know I heard him say that, but I thought maybe i didn't hear him right...holy crap the demo can't even fit on a dvd...just imagine complex the entire game is....and all I hear on these boards is "blu-ray is not needed". If there's blu-ray it will be used for a better experience.Fruity_Fantasy

Yeah I'm going to swap out my DVD 9 for a blu ray for the better experience that even though I never would have experienced it anyway I should care now cause the Naughty Dog guy says I should or the cow on the game forum's thinks I need it

How on earth are you only level 1 with 700+ posts? 

[QUOTE="braydee1234"]If Oblivion and other great 360 games can fit on a DVD then Naughty Dog are either liars or use awful compression methods.Zenkuso

all devs working with the ps3 aren't using compression at all.

He shouldn't say it can't fit on DVD then. Its obvious that compression doesnt affect quality which is why many 360 games are as large and better looking than ps3 games. 

How on earth are you only level 1 with 700+ posts? 

It's a bug.

[QUOTE="Fruity_Fantasy"]

[QUOTE="Evil-Zero86"]I know I heard him say that, but I thought maybe i didn't hear him right...holy crap the demo can't even fit on a dvd...just imagine complex the entire game is....and all I hear on these boards is "blu-ray is not needed". If there's blu-ray it will be used for a better experience.braydee1234

Yeah I'm going to swap out my DVD 9 for a blu ray for the better experience that even though I never would have experienced it anyway I should care now cause the Naughty Dog guy says I should or the cow on the game forum's thinks I need it

How on earth are you only level 1 with 700+ posts?

its just a forum glitch man. 

[QUOTE="braydee1234"]If Oblivion and other great 360 games can fit on a DVD then Naughty Dog are either liars or use awful compression methods.Zenkuso

all devs working with the ps3 aren't using compression at all. 

They are also repeating data on the Blu-ray disk to help the games load faster.  (They probably also do it because they can say "o look this game is 50GB")

When are brainwashed fanboys going to learn BLU-RAY IS 100% COMPLETELY USELESS IT IS ONLY USED FOR NOT SWITCHING DISKS THAT BLOODY WELL IT.

And if they cant get a DEMO onto a dvd they are the WORST video game develoeprs on the planet. NOTHING should ever be so bloated that it cant fit on a dvd. No game in existence needs anything higher then 9 gigs unless it is overloaded with uselsss CGI movies. THe ONLY reason sony is deliberatly over-bloating their games is so they can sell you on a $1200 blu-ray player. 360 games have just as much content as ps3 games with BETTER graphics yet are afraction of the siz? Can someone tell me that? And explain if blu-ray is needed and esential for next gen gaming and the 360 is crippeled cause of dvd why Oblivion fits on a single-layer dvd and still clocks in at 100+ hours of gameplay with impressive graphics?

When are brainwashed fanboys going to learn BLU-RAY IS 100% COMPLETELY USELESS IT IS ONLY USED FOR NOT SWITCHING DISKS THAT BLOODY WELL IT.

 

And if they cant get a DEMO onto a dvd they are the WORST video game develoeprs on the planet. NOTHING should ever be so bloated that it cant fit on a dvd. No game in existence needs anything higher then 9 gigs unless it is overloaded with uselsss CGI movies. THe ONLY reason sony is deliberatly over-bloating their games is so they can sell you on a $1200 blu-ray player. 360 games have just as much content as ps3 games with BETTER graphics yet are afraction of the siz? Can someone tell me that? And explain if blu-ray is needed and esential for next gen gaming and the 360 is crippeled cause of dvd why Oblivion fits on a single-layer dvd and still clocks in at 100+ hours of gameplay with impressive graphics?

Illumination77

Calm down there sparky. The info came from a Naughty Dog developer, not any of the "brainwashed fanboys". Well...not yet at least in a full extent. Who cares? Let people believe what they want. If it helps them sleep better at night, then the world is at peace just a little bit with itself.

When are brainwashed fanboys going to learn BLU-RAY IS 100% COMPLETELY USELESS IT IS ONLY USED FOR NOT SWITCHING DISKS THAT BLOODY WELL IT.

 

And if they cant get a DEMO onto a dvd they are the WORST video game develoeprs on the planet. NOTHING should ever be so bloated that it cant fit on a dvd. No game in existence needs anything higher then 9 gigs unless it is overloaded with uselsss CGI movies. THe ONLY reason sony is deliberatly over-bloating their games is so they can sell you on a $1200 blu-ray player. 360 games have just as much content as ps3 games with BETTER graphics yet are afraction of the siz? Can someone tell me that? And explain if blu-ray is needed and esential for next gen gaming and the 360 is crippeled cause of dvd why Oblivion fits on a single-layer dvd and still clocks in at 100+ hours of gameplay with impressive graphics?

Illumination77

 Just like nothing would ever need more than a single layer DVD... Or better yet, a CD... You know what? A floppy should be able to handle Oblivion... It was only a few years ago that Bill Gates said that no one would ever need more than a 32 bite cassette to store data.

Don't be mad that DVDs are going the way of the floppy-disk, it's just the natural progression of things.

When are brainwashed fanboys going to learn BLU-RAY IS 100% COMPLETELY USELESS IT IS ONLY USED FOR NOT SWITCHING DISKS THAT BLOODY WELL IT.

 

And if they cant get a DEMO onto a dvd they are the WORST video game develoeprs on the planet. NOTHING should ever be so bloated that it cant fit on a dvd. No game in existence needs anything higher then 9 gigs unless it is overloaded with uselsss CGI movies. THe ONLY reason sony is deliberatly over-bloating their games is so they can sell you on a $1200 blu-ray player. 360 games have just as much content as ps3 games with BETTER graphics yet are afraction of the siz? Can someone tell me that? And explain if blu-ray is needed and esential for next gen gaming and the 360 is crippeled cause of dvd why Oblivion fits on a single-layer dvd and still clocks in at 100+ hours of gameplay with impressive graphics?

Illumination77

Its all uncompressed. Technically, there's no difference between compressed files and uncompressed files if it's lossless... For example, OGG FLAC music vs MP3. MP3 is very lossy, while OGG is lossless. OGG FLAC has the same quality as Pure Wav, but is a craploads smaller...

The lack of compression is nothing more than a ploy to say that Blu Ray is needed...  [swlogic Just shows that PS3 can't handle decompression /SWlogic

thats right just go to gametrailers and whatch the video, the guy says it towards the end!

http://www.gametrailers.com/?p=ps3

its the "uncahrted onstage demonstration HD"

and there are so many games that look amazing on ps3 OMG

note the HALO2/HALO3 comparison looks funny, 360 is very much xbox 1.5 lol

i never hated on MS until u xbox fanboys talked so much crap, the tables will turn soon enough. Seriously i dare u xbox fanboys not to buy a ps3 in the next couple of years! lol

winner-ps3

if 360 is like xbox 1.5 , ps3 should be called ps2 2nd edition since 360 has better graphic

The reason it can't fit on DVD is because they no longer need to compress everything to fit on a DVD.

Yeah its a kind of a tricky way of saying it but that doesn't make it a lie.

I guess that demo won't be downloadable on psn. :?Harbadakus

he, he.. nope.. not if it's 5 GB......   

[QUOTE="Illumination77"]

When are brainwashed fanboys going to learn BLU-RAY IS 100% COMPLETELY USELESS IT IS ONLY USED FOR NOT SWITCHING DISKS THAT BLOODY WELL IT.

 

And if they cant get a DEMO onto a dvd they are the WORST video game develoeprs on the planet. NOTHING should ever be so bloated that it cant fit on a dvd. No game in existence needs anything higher then 9 gigs unless it is overloaded with uselsss CGI movies. THe ONLY reason sony is deliberatly over-bloating their games is so they can sell you on a $1200 blu-ray player. 360 games have just as much content as ps3 games with BETTER graphics yet are afraction of the siz? Can someone tell me that? And explain if blu-ray is needed and esential for next gen gaming and the 360 is crippeled cause of dvd why Oblivion fits on a single-layer dvd and still clocks in at 100+ hours of gameplay with impressive graphics?

ssbfalco

Its all uncompressed. Technically, there's no difference between compressed files and uncompressed files if it's lossless... For example, OGG FLAC music vs MP3. MP3 is very lossy, while OGG is lossless. OGG FLAC has the same quality as Pure Wav, but is a craploads smaller...

The lack of compression is nothing more than a ploy to say that Blu Ray is needed... [swlogic Just shows that PS3 can't handle decompression /SWlogic

This poster is absolutely correct. If Sony keeps on insisting on using uncompressed data just to "promote" the PS3's Bluray drive then they are going to start to have serious problems with load times because uncompressed data takes FOREVER to read on current optical drives...EVEN Bluray.

[QUOTE="ssbfalco"][QUOTE="Illumination77"]

When are brainwashed fanboys going to learn BLU-RAY IS 100% COMPLETELY USELESS IT IS ONLY USED FOR NOT SWITCHING DISKS THAT BLOODY WELL IT.

 

And if they cant get a DEMO onto a dvd they are the WORST video game develoeprs on the planet. NOTHING should ever be so bloated that it cant fit on a dvd. No game in existence needs anything higher then 9 gigs unless it is overloaded with uselsss CGI movies. THe ONLY reason sony is deliberatly over-bloating their games is so they can sell you on a $1200 blu-ray player. 360 games have just as much content as ps3 games with BETTER graphics yet are afraction of the siz? Can someone tell me that? And explain if blu-ray is needed and esential for next gen gaming and the 360 is crippeled cause of dvd why Oblivion fits on a single-layer dvd and still clocks in at 100+ hours of gameplay with impressive graphics?

MadExponent

Its all uncompressed. Technically, there's no difference between compressed files and uncompressed files if it's lossless... For example, OGG FLAC music vs MP3. MP3 is very lossy, while OGG is lossless. OGG FLAC has the same quality as Pure Wav, but is a craploads smaller...

The lack of compression is nothing more than a ploy to say that Blu Ray is needed... [swlogic Just shows that PS3 can't handle decompression /SWlogic

This poster is absolutely correct. If Sony keeps on insisting on using uncompressed data just to "promote" the PS3's Bluray drive then they are going to start to have serious problems with load times because uncompressed data takes FOREVER to read on current optical drives...EVEN Bluray.

As interesting as the game looked, some of the comments made by the presenter sounded like pure propaganda. If you break it down, he said the powerful CPU can do more complex operations, and we didn't compress any files when we made the demo.

That's like being asked to mow the lawn, getting caught napping, and calling it, "a brief rejuvenating hibernation session".

Anything can sound impressive if you describe it in the right terms.

Gaming is going to die without Blu-ray. OMG I'm freaking out.Darthmatt

Deep breaths... Deep breaths...

[QUOTE="Harbadakus"]I guess that demo won't be downloadable on psn. :?Medjai

I think he meant a single-layer DVD but that doesn't change the problem. A 4.7+ GB demo. Sounds like BS to me. 

Hold on, a Sony developer who says that their game is only possible on the PS3?  Where have I heard this one before?  Oh ya, from every single high-profile game company that developed exclusives for the PS3.

Actually, this wouldn't surprize me one bit.  Having 25 GB to develop on lets developers be lax, you can create the simplest program and have it occupy more than 9 GB, yet, when you optimize it for space, it easily fits on a DVD.

When are brainwashed fanboys going to learn BLU-RAY IS 100% COMPLETELY USELESS IT IS ONLY USED FOR NOT SWITCHING DISKS THAT BLOODY WELL IT.

 

And if they cant get a DEMO onto a dvd they are the WORST video game develoeprs on the planet. NOTHING should ever be so bloated that it cant fit on a dvd. No game in existence needs anything higher then 9 gigs unless it is overloaded with uselsss CGI movies. THe ONLY reason sony is deliberatly over-bloating their games is so they can sell you on a $1200 blu-ray player. 360 games have just as much content as ps3 games with BETTER graphics yet are afraction of the siz? Can someone tell me that? And explain if blu-ray is needed and esential for next gen gaming and the 360 is crippeled cause of dvd why Oblivion fits on a single-layer dvd and still clocks in at 100+ hours of gameplay with impressive graphics?

Illumination77

your whole argument is the epitome of irrational bias. what a useless point to have......? its actually sad really. im sure your a different person away from the SW forums.

The fact the textures are UN-COMPRESSED is what makes them so great,in the past gen(360) devs have had to compress the crap out of all the textures.Gears of war was a very slow game that had a set path(pretty much),and not much foliage going on really.If you look at gears of war when you play it,there are some very dodgy textures amongst all the great ones.With more storage,you can obviously fit more uncompressed textures and better lighting/more video etc and full,rich/immersive sound ALL UNCOMPRESSED.

The fact the textures are UN-COMPRESSED is what makes them so great,in the past gen(360) devs have had to compress the crap out of all the textures.Gears of war was a very slow game that had a set path(pretty much),and not much foliage going on really.If you look at gears of war when you play it,there are some very dodgy textures amongst all the great ones.With more storage,you can obviously fit more uncompressed textures and better lighting/more video etc and full,rich/immersive sound ALL UNCOMPRESSED.

 

 

stuart69

 You know it has nothing to do with delevopers releaseing content for your area. It's the country your in wont let them release content for you.

Mass Effect looks comparable in graphics, and probably surpasses it in scope, and fits on a DVD9.

Sony's in-house developers are going to say everything their bosses tell them to to get blue ray into people's homes.  That's a fact.

The fact the textures are UN-COMPRESSED is what makes them so great,in the past gen(360) devs have had to compress the crap out of all the textures.Gears of war was a very slow game that had a set path(pretty much),and not much foliage going on really.If you look at gears of war when you play it,there are some very dodgy textures amongst all the great ones.With more storage,you can obviously fit more uncompressed textures and better lighting/more video etc and full,rich/immersive sound ALL UNCOMPRESSED.

 

 

stuart69

 So what Sony site did you get this technical BS from?

As a general rule compression is used in all games to improve load times, however as you compress you do lose quality this is unavoidable. This can be seen in oblivion on the xbox 360 as the textures were compressed to make it fit on the disk, hence why on the pc and the ps3 the graphics are better. It is possible to get any game to fit on a dvd9 however the compression will be so high you lose the quality of the file.

You can say all you want blu-ray isn't needed and you are right in some respects, however the odds are that games will get bigger and compression can only do so much.