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#1 KevinButlerVP
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well you should be, because all the people saying oh sony copied wii sports, sony copied this and that well read this

LINK

looks like wii sports copied eyetoy sports

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#2 onewiththegame
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Wii=best selling system this gen(yes sales matter)

Nintendo=doesnt care about move

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#3 KevinButlerVP
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[QUOTE="onewiththegame"]

Wii=best selling system this gen(yes sales matter)

Nintendo=doesnt care about move

sales would only matter if the equaled the quality of games they were thrwoing at u, which it doesn't rotfl
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#4 bobbetybob
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You do realise what a dumb argument this is don't you? You're basically trying to say that Sony invented sports...
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#5 nitromuffin
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[QUOTE="onewiththegame"]

Wii=best selling system this gen(yes sales matter)

Nintendo=doesnt care about move

sales matter lol. quality>quanity
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#6 LegatoSkyheart
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Eyetoy Play 2?

Eyetoy Sports?

Who played these??

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#7 flipdc5
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Sony invented everything. FACT

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#8 KevinButlerVP
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You do realise what a dumb argument this is don't you? You're basically trying to say that Sony invented sports...bobbetybob
please elaborate wat u mean n I'm guessing no one even read the link right just when I said that wii sports copied eyetoy sports

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#9 roosuu
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Sony copied Nintendo's control scheme first.
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#10 onewiththegame
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sales dont matter LOL get real kiddies, if sales didn't matter FF13 would only be on PS3

if sales didn't matter Sega would still have a system

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#11 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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Sony invented everything. FACT

flipdc5
I hope you're being sarcastic.
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#12 RTUUMM
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Who cares??? Every company copy each through out history and they'll continue copying each other = FACT. get over it people, its not like the MOVE its going to change anything or hurt Nintendo.
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#13 LegatoSkyheart
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[QUOTE="flipdc5"]

Sony invented everything. FACT

ocstew

I hope you're being sarcastic.

yes he was.

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#14 KevinButlerVP
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Who cares??? Every company copy each through out history and they'll continue copying each other = FACT. get over it people, its not like the MOVE its going to change anything or hurt Nintendo.RTUUMM
with the way sony is advertising it could
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#15 bobbetybob
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[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]You do realise what a dumb argument this is don't you? You're basically trying to say that Sony invented sports...KevinButlerVP

please elaborate wat u mean n I'm guessing no one even read the link right just when I said that wii sports copied eyetoy sports

Yes I read your link, it's basically someone saying "Look Sony had bowling on eyetoy and Wii has bowling!" And your point is what? That Sony invented the idea of a game having bowling, or table tennis, or golf? This argument is the same as saying Infinity Ward ripped of IQ because they made a shooting game in the first person perspective. Sports games are a genre of gaming, you can't really rip off a genre, just because eye toy did it with hand gestures doesn't mean they invented anything.

Oh, and why have people STILL not realised that the reason people say Move is a rip off is because it looks and functions nearly identically to a Wii remote, it has nothing to do with games.

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#16 Silverbond
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At some point, you're going to realize that there is nothing wrong with someone copying someone else and that you don't need to damage control it.

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#17 djsifer01
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Wii=best selling system this gen(yes sales matter)

Nintendo=doesnt care about move

onewiththegame
Sales matter to nobody other than the company selling the product. On Topic: I dont think Sony copied Nintendo at all with move. If anything, they made a better version of motion controls.
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#18 KevinButlerVP
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[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

You do realise what a dumb argument this is don't you? You're basically trying to say that Sony invented sports...bobbetybob
please elaborate wat u mean n I'm guessing no one even read the link right just when I said that wii sports copied eyetoy sports

Yes I read your link, it's basically someone saying "Look Sony had bowling on eyetoy and Wii has bowling!" And your point is what? That Sony invented the idea of a game having bowling, or table tennis, or golf? This argument is the same as saying Infinity Ward ripped of IQ because they made a shooting game in the first person perspective. Sports games are a genre of gaming, you can't really rip off a genre, just because eye toy did it with hand gestures doesn't mean they invented anything.

Oh, and why have people STILL not realised that the reason people say Move is a rip off is because it looks and functions nearly identically to a Wii remote, it has nothing to do with games.

never said sony invented it, but now no one can claim that sony copied wii sports and as for them funcioning identical, wrong since move senses another axis or something like that other then the wii and the same could be said about PS3 and 360 with the controllers functioning identical amirite or eyetoy and natal
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#19 789shadow
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Did Sony also invent the lightbulb?

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#21 nitromuffin
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sales dont matter LOL get real kiddies, if sales didn't matter FF13 would only be on PS3

if sales didn't matter Sega would still have a system

onewiththegame

yeah to the companies it matters but not to us. sales dont equal a good console or a good game FACT

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#22 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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[QUOTE="onewiththegame"]

Wii=best selling system this gen(yes sales matter)

Nintendo=doesnt care about move

djsifer01

Sales matter to nobody other than the company selling the product. On Topic: I dont think Sony copied Nintendo at all with move. If anything, they made a better version of motion controls.

There isn't proof yet that The Move is better. That's only an assumption.

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#23 LegatoSkyheart
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Yeah they took Nintendo's controller design.

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#24 KevinButlerVP
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:shock:

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#25 VanDammFan
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Everyone copies everyone. Its been this way in life since day one. Its no big deal so get over it people..geeshhhh.

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#26 FIipMode
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p3anut

Gotta say its funny to see people keep posting this when the controllers aren't even identical, in Move the direction pad is on the sub-controller instead of the main controller, the main controller has less buttons and most importantly one has a big ball on top.

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#28 Dataleak
Member since 2010 • 1737 Posts

:shock:

KevinButlerVP
Uh dude. You know Nintendo created the D Pad, Shoulder Buttons, Analog Stick, Rumble ect, right?
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#29 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]

[QUOTE="p3anut"]

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MizFitAwesome

Gotta say its funny to see people keep posting this when the controllers aren't even identical, in Move the direction pad is on the sub-controller instead of the main controller, the main controller has less buttons and most importantly one has a big ball on top.

And both are being held the same exact way with wrist straps the MOVE is a ripoff deal with it...

1. How do you expect them to be held?

2. Including safety features is a ripoff? :o

And if you want to get technical they aren't being held the exact same way, in one the thumb is bent.

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#30 MizFitAwesome
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[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

:shock:

Dataleak

Uh dude. You know Nintendo created the D Pad, Shoulder Buttons, Analog Stick, Rumble ect, right?

Actually Atari created the Analog stick for the Atari 5200 in the 80s...

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#31 Dataleak
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[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="FIipMode"] Gotta say its funny to see people keep posting this when the controllers aren't even identical, in Move the direction pad is on the sub-controller instead of the main controller, the main controller has less buttons and most importantly one has a big ball on top.

FIipMode

And both are being held the same exact way with wrist straps the MOVE is a ripoff deal with it...

1. How do you expect them to be held?

2. Including safety features is a ripoff? :o

And if you want to get technical they aren't being held the exact same way, in one the thumb is bent.

The Move controllers are a carbon copy of the Wiimote, cmon man. How it's split in two, the fact that it's a wand. They look identical except the Move has a huge glowing light ontop of it. :lol: And obviously, button layout.
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#32 Dataleak
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[QUOTE="Dataleak"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

:shock:

MizFitAwesome

Uh dude. You know Nintendo created the D Pad, Shoulder Buttons, Analog Stick, Rumble ect, right?

Actually Atari created the Analog stick for the Atari 5200 in the 80s...

You're confusing Joystick with Analog stick. Two completely different things. -Edit- Ok, the Analog stick is a variation of a Joystick. Still, it's not quite the same. :P -edit- Ok, the Atari 5200 was the first controller with an Analog Stick, but it sucked. :lol:

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#33 Half-Way
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[QUOTE="onewiththegame"]

Wii=best selling system this gen(yes sales matter)

Nintendo=doesnt care about move

djsifer01

Sales matter to nobody other than the company selling the product. On Topic: I dont think Sony copied Nintendo at all with move. If anything, they made a better version of motion controls.

you wouldnt even say anything bad about sony even if your life depended on it :P

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#34 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

And both are being held the same exact way with wrist straps the MOVE is a ripoff deal with it...

Dataleak

1. How do you expect them to be held?

2. Including safety features is a ripoff? :o

And if you want to get technical they aren't being held the exact same way, in one the thumb is bent.

The Move controllers are a carbon copy of the Wiimote, cmon man. How it's split in two, the fact that it's a wand. They look identical except the Move has a huge glowing light ontop of it. :lol: And obviously, button layout.

But if one has a big light on top, and the button layout is different, how is it a carbon copy, you might as well say anyone who comes out with a controller is a rip-off even if the button layout is different.
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#35 Dataleak
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[QUOTE="Dataleak"][QUOTE="FIipMode"] 1. How do you expect them to be held?

2. Including safety features is a ripoff? :o

And if you want to get technical they aren't being held the exact same way, in one the thumb is bent.

FIipMode

The Move controllers are a carbon copy of the Wiimote, cmon man. How it's split in two, the fact that it's a wand. They look identical except the Move has a huge glowing light ontop of it. :lol: And obviously, button layout.

But if one has a big light on top, and the button layout is different, how is it a carbon copy, you might as well say anyone who comes out with a controller is a rip-off even if the button layout is different.

Well, the button layout is obvious, and they probably added the huge orb ontop because they maybe, JUST MAYBE felt guilty for completely plagerizing Nintendos design.

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#36 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"][QUOTE="Dataleak"] The Move controllers are a carbon copy of the Wiimote, cmon man. How it's split in two, the fact that it's a wand. They look identical except the Move has a huge glowing light ontop of it. :lol: And obviously, button layout. Dataleak

But if one has a big light on top, and the button layout is different, how is it a carbon copy, you might as well say anyone who comes out with a controller is a rip-off even if the button layout is different.

Well, the button layout is obvious, and they probably added the huge orb ontop because they maybe, JUST MAYBE felt guilty for completely plagerizing Nintendos design.

No they added the orb because that's how the Ps-eye tracks it.
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#37 Half-Way
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wiimote and move are nearly identical, except the fact that move has a huge ugly ball on top :P

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#38 kansasdude2009
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  1. The design was clearly influenced by the Wii. Sony has said it themselves, they are trying to capture the Wii audience who want to move to an HD console. The best way they can do this is by making something that is familiar to their target audience, and that is, in fact, a wii-mote and nunchuck combo.
  2. To those who say that Sales don't matter, you need to realise that sales shape our entire industry. They matter to gamers as well as casuals, publishers, developers, and anyone else touched by this industry. The reason why developers aren't making Mature games on Wii is because we, the audience, don't buy them, which cues the publishers to not fund such projects. The reason why Sony made Move is to capture the Wii audience, the largest audience in the console race, right now. Sales matter to us all.
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#39 Origami_Kill3r
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Wii=best selling system this gen(yes sales matter)

Nintendo=doesnt care about move

onewiththegame
sells make you a stronger person .......... oh now what they dont
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#40 Origami_Kill3r
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you know nothing about tec.
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#41 Origami_Kill3r
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[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="onewiththegame"]

Wii=best selling system this gen(yes sales matter)

Nintendo=doesnt care about move

jimkabrhel

Sales matter to nobody other than the company selling the product. On Topic: I dont think Sony copied Nintendo at all with move. If anything, they made a better version of motion controls.

There isn't proof yet that The Move is better. That's only an assumption.

LOL the tec demos have proved the move is more accurate
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#42 88mphSlayer
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because Nintendo was smarter with their design and marketing?

i mean lets be honest, eyetoy was never a good device for motion control, it was always so-so or "man this had potential if in the right hands"

and judging by the PSEYE on the PS3, sony never gave a **** while Nintendo created a whole market for it

i mean PSMOVE is nice and all, but don't take credit for basically letting another company do all the hard work and take all the risks, then copying whatever they did

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#43 Origami_Kill3r
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guess what ppl everyone is inspired by those around them. Copy isnt same . Move uses diff tec and is not the exact same. xbox controller was inspired by dual shock wii was inspired by eyetoy ps3s built in hardrive was inspired by xbox 360s add on approach was inspired by ps2 Psn has been inspired by xbl NXE was inspired by XMB Avatars were inspired by miis 360 game room was inspired ps HOME PSPminis were inspired by Apple app store
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#44 Half-Way
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[QUOTE="p3anut"]

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Origami_Kill3r

you know nothing about tec.

and you know nothing about creativity and design

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#45 HavocV3
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Sony managed to copy the Wii-mote twice.

even MS could never dream of such a feat and they'll never grace the juggercoppier that is Sony.

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#46 brumley53
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LegatoSkyheart

Yeah they took Nintendo's controller design.

what else are they going to make it look like? it makes sense to make it a stick because its easy to hold and use and everyone will be used to using the controller because of the wii, it would make no sense to make it a different shape, also the Wand looks more comfortable to hold but i dont think the buttons on the wand will work out very well.

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#47 MellowMighty
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p3anut

Look theres a blue lightbulb on the end of sony's. Completely different!

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#48 Origami_Kill3r
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[QUOTE="Origami_Kill3r"][QUOTE="p3anut"]

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Half-Way

you know nothing about tec.

and you know nothing about creativity and design

Yes I do. But the M+ is circled implying that its that same.
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#49 DarkLink77
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It doesn't matter if Sony copied the Wii with Move (which is an awful name. Whoever came up with that should be fired) or if they arrived with their stupid lollipop looking thing independently (unlikely).

Nintendo did it first, and actually took a risk with it. They released a console based on it. Sony is releasing a Wii copy (for all intents and purposes) as an addon. There is a huge difference there.

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#50 Origami_Kill3r
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ps move has more buttons but they look far too small. Might be fine if you live in asia but not the rest of the world.