Unverified rumor: NX is an OS; Hardware is a 4k cloud streaming device; games are 900p native; AMD + ARM

@emgesp: I wasnt comparing them. I was merely stating the Wii U Streams Netflix to the Gamepad lag free using an internet connection. It also does it using only 35w, which is ground breaking, cause you know, Nintendo be boss.

No, you're confused. The Wii U isn't streaming to the Gamepad using the internet. I don't think you understand how this works. And again of course you wouldn't notice the lag because you're not interacting with a movie like you do with games.

There is hardware in both the Wii U and Gamepad that communicates with each other. Think of it like an advanced form of Bluetooth. Your PS4 doesn't stream your controls via the internet, it directly communicates with the PS4's internals , and that is the basic idea of how the Wii U and Gamepad work together just video is also involved.

@emgesp: Bro, how else it get there? Netflix Stream to Wii U who then Stream to Gamepad. Its a process mate. Nintendo has done it amazingly.

Also its not Bluetooth, its RF which is superior to Bluetooth at short distances. Only down fall is, you guessed it, short distance.

Heres the basics.

"The GamePad communicates with a Wii U console over a modified Wi-Fi protocol designed for low-latency transmission, establishing its connection with the console by using a variant of the WPS process, with proprietary transfer protocol and software co-developed with Broadcom.[11][12] The GamePad's display contents are streamed as video from the console using a custom protocol and the H.264 video codec, for which the GamePad contains a hardware decoder.[1][13]"

I said think of it like a wireless signal like Bluetooth, didn't say it was using Bluetooth.

Ok, this is how the shit works. Let's take your Netflix example. Netflix video gets streamed to your Wii U and with Nintendos proprietary wireless tech that same video then gets streamed from the Wii U to the Gamepad with unnoticeable amount of delay because the streaming from the Wii U to Gamepad is much faster than streaming to internet connection to Wii U. Also, since the streamed video isn't interactive you aren't going to experience any kind of input lag.

With the NX if these rumors end up being true it would only be internet streaming for games which is the problem as that would mean input lag would be unavoidable because even with the best internet connection you're still limited by physics. When you press a button that information gets sent across your internet connection miles away to a server which then has to take that information and send back as new information to your display and while it happens pretty fast you can still see and feel the lag. There will always be a limit of what streaming can offer in terms of latency/lag.

The only way Nintendo could overcome that situation is if they somehow scaled up their proprietary Wii U Streaming tech and built servers all across the world so the distance was much closer. That would cost way too much money and probably not even possible.

@GameboyTroy: Its awesome watching greed destroy these vampires. Release the rumors! Drown them all out of business! NX is money baby, she stealing all dem Youtube clicks.

Imagine though, being able to play your DS/3DS games on tablets if possible. What if they're not focusing on hardware? What if they're plan is to roll out games to mobile devices and tablets? For iPad, iPhones, Galaxy phones and tablets, etc.

Is it possible too that the NX OS might extend to an upgrade to the Wii U? I hear they're not replacing it, and that they plan on supporting Wii U still which obviously isn't the case... but then I thought, what if NX initiative actually has a place on Wii U? So if they are making a phone/tablet ecosystem, maybe Nintendo will further support Wii U to play these games, might not do 4K but it might also start them off with a sizable userbase right away.

If this is true, then WiiU is the last Nintendo console I buy.

Yeah, i wouldnt bank on it being internet streaming only. Id look for 4K Streaming and being able to play digital games offline.

@techhog89: Are you thinking AMD's A1110 (ARM Cortex A57 octa core, 28 nm) + AMD Bonaire (160 mm^2, 28 nm) based solution?

I'm not against Nintendo offering a streaming service, but if that is all they offer with the NX then that would be bad idea and would totally flop on the market. Also, even a digital only box would be a tough sell in terms of home consoles. Microsoft couldn't get away with it and I doubt Nintendo could either. I personally don't see any reason why they have to or should drop physical media 100%.

From good to bad to worse...rumours. :P

Home hardware would be super weak (Tegra?), datacenter would probably use K12s and something much more powerful.

All these rumors are going to make E3 great one way or another.

@Heil68:

Nintendo is only showing Zelda WiiU =(

Hopefully they will show more of Zelda U than what we've already seen or what they've already shown previously. :P

Good god no. I refuse on all the same grounds I refused the original Xbone. I say that as a lifelong Nintendo follower.

Consoles haven't fucking earned the right to go digital only, or even digital primary.

yeah I forgot, but I guess when they finally reveal the NX to the public, these rumors should show how wrong people are...in my opinion. Nintendo has done a great job keeping the NX under wraps and nobody but the people working on it know.

September*

Yeah, i wouldnt bank on that either. Nintendo would be the crazy company to do 4K Streaming, digital games, and cartridges. I just dont think we will see disc no more, that tech has become way too dated.

Also cartridges wouldnt be like you think. The cartridge would be able to hold many games. Nintendo has been doing it in China. You can walk into the gaming store and put like 4 games on your cartridge and go home. Or you can do it from your computer.

yeah I forgot they said they wernt bringing nx to E3, but in September it should be fun.

@Heil68: "Nintendo has done a great job keeping the NX under wraps and nobody but the people working on it know."

Is this helping or hurting them?

Sure, one could fit many small games on a single cartridge, but not all Nintendo games are small. There was plenty of Wii U games that filled the Wii U's 25GB capacity, or at least came really close to, so I 'd assume 32GB Carts would be standard with the NX, with the option to purchase games digitally as well.

@emgesp: Ideally youd be able to get different sizes. 32g, 64g, 128g, 256g, etc. Just buy whichever you need.

Maybe the console is modular. Nintendo puts expansion ports on all their consoles.

It depends if NX has the following config

1. thin and lite game console + cloud

2. handheld + desktop game consoles + cloud

There should be an excess 28 nm fab capacity with AMD and NVIDIA moving to FinFET fabs.

A1110's Cortex A57 octa core + AMD Bonaire 14 CU would be an easy solution.

Seems like a waste of money when they could just go super cheap with the hardware. Also, didn't you say that 158mm2 was the max they would use? Especially if they were to stick with the 128-bit bus. They'd hit a memory bottleneck without GDDR5.

You talking like that supplement device patent Nintendo has?

@iandizion713:

Not really. Moreso the fact they have attempted expansion on just about every console they have released.

Lol I know...

Perhaps, cheap device for off line mode + cloud gaming and not Wii U replacement.

http://au.ign.com/articles/2016/05/16/nintendo-president-nx-is-not-the-successor-to-the-wii-u-nor-to-the-3ds

In terms of cost per transistor function, 28 nm is second best choice after 14 nm.

10 nm is not yet available.

@ronvalencia: That would be funny if NX was a portable device that was powerful enough to act as a home console also. No need for hybrid when one device can do the job of two.

No worries. Reggie already said that there will be some physical thing that is used for the games. More than likely cartridges. This is just unsubstantiated rumors. I mean really wild rumors.

nintendo cant do proper online gaming now. wtf makes anyone think this shit is real

Yeah, I don't see them going beyond 64GB's anytime soon.

TX1's local gaming consumes 21 watts which is very far from handheld devices like Qualcomm 820.

http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/16nm.htm

TSMC’s 16FF+ (FinFET Plus) technology can provide above 65 percent higher speed, around 2 times the density, or 70 percent less power than its 28HPM technology. Comparing with 20SoC technology, 16FF+ provides extra 40% higher speed and 60% power saving.

"Unverified rumor"...

...yeah, okay. Anyways, with all of these rumors flying about just mean one thing IMO: none of these people know a damn thing about the NX. This includes the allegedly reliable Emily Rodgers. I look into her track record and while she has been correct a number of times she has also been wrong just as many. Though PickyGamer makes a pretty good argument.

@ronvalencia: Holy crap, Nintendo could Stream 1080p under 5w. Its looking like well be able to get a nice power increase and become more green. If they could do 4K under 10w, would be killer.

People in many parts of the world have data caps that streaming games would eat up within a few hours. Hell, even in some areas of Japan, depending on the ISP. This kind of thing won't sell. It's like whoever made up this rumour completely forgot that Nintendo sells their stuff all over the world.

That just sounds awful. Why the hell would I want one?

I think helping as early leaks of products seem to take some of the excitement out of the product reveal or the worst case lets your competitors try to react.

I see streaming as a possibility, but certainly not a pillar for Nintendo's overall strategy, unless it means streaming purchased on-console content to the handheld/mobile device akin to PS4 to PSVita. As others are stating, 4K game streaming is impractical once you start considering ISP data limits and the kind of bandwidth that is required for a low-latency 30 FPS stream. A more practical way around this is to stream data and assets either as you play or in a play-while-it-installs manner like Halo 2 on PC, keeping rendering and processing local. That would still require an ample preload, a constant connection until the game is completely downloaded, and even moreso substantial processing power for the kind of graphics gamers expect out of current gen .

I see 4K gaming as out of reach for this console generation except for more graphically simple indie games. It's not like consoles got to enjoy 1080p last gen and as a PC gamer, 1080p is already pretty nice. What I want is a more stable 1080p/60 FPS experience with proper frame pacing along with better anti-aliasing solutions.

The other problem is the inability of developers to reign themselves in from overburdening the hardware they are developing for, especially in the PS4's case. 1080p should be the standard, period, on that system. We already went through this motion with 720p rendering on the past generation.

Rumor-it comes with a pre loaded copy of 2 girls 1 cup

LOLTENDO.

This rumor sounds... nor very believable. No way Nintendo attempts the type of DRM system that destroyed Xbox One at launch. It would be suicide. Then again, maybe for "cloud streaming" they just mean strictly for Netflix and such. If they actually plan on streaming games... LOLTENDO. It was nice knowing ya.

For streaming games, the workload processing just shifts from local device to cloud server.

900p, natively? Is this console exclusive to Mexico? 900 pesos, this is a lot for the game console?

Whether Nintendo decides to continue to demand that you purchase their overpriced hardware, subscribe to one of their shitty services, or a combination of both in order to indulge in their increasingly irrelevant franchises, is their prerogative. However, while there was a time when purchasing a Nintendo product was a necessity for any avid gamer, these days it's seems like not just an indulgence but an annoyance with which most people can do without. It doesn't quite matter what the NX is. Nintendo has used up the good will it had garnered from the many millions it had enamored throughout the 80's and 90's long ago.

@Heil68: "I think helping as early leaks of products seem to take some of the excitement out of the product reveal or the worst case lets your competitors try to react."

Yea but people might buy NEO and Xone slim.

So... I don't actually believe this due to the 900p part which was taken from that survey, and is clearly a case of someone looking at a bunch of rumors and combining them in a legit-sounding way. I just wanted to see what people would think seeing this :D