[Update] Sony Issues Statement About The PS4's 5GB of RAM Available

UPDATE : Sony has issued a statement:

We would like to clear up a misunderstanding regarding our "direct" and "flexible" memory systems. The article states that "flexible" memory is borrowed from the OS, and must be returned when requested - that's not actually the case.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3-system-software-memory

EVERYONE PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone might wanna hold Davekeeh and Douevenlift-bro closely. They are gonna cry.
If they need me to contact any loved ones I am willing to do that.

old and you forgot about ..... "We have no comment to make on the amount of memory reserved by the system or what it is used for."Nonstop-Madness

• "Flexible Memory" is memory managed by the PS4 OS on the game's behalf, and allows games to use some very nice FreeBSD virtual memory functionality. However this memory is 100 per cent the game's memory, and is never used by the OS, and as it is the game's memory it should be easy for every developer to use it.

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]old and you forgot about ..... "We have no comment to make on the amount of memory reserved by the system or what it is used for."TheDidact

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Old.

• "Flexible Memory" is memory managed by the PS4 OS on the game's behalf, and allows games to use some very nice FreeBSD virtual memory functionality. However this memory is 100 per cent the game's memory, and is never used by the OS, and as it is the game's memory it should be easy for every developer to use it.

so all the flexible memory will be used for games and games only, none of that will touch the OS, so great, about 5.5 gb available for games... awesome
xboxiphoneps3

What exactly does "flexible" mean?

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

• "Flexible Memory" is memory managed by the PS4 OS on the game's behalf, and allows games to use some very nice FreeBSD virtual memory functionality. However this memory is 100 per cent the game's memory, and is never used by the OS, and as it is the game's memory it should be easy for every developer to use it.

so all the flexible memory will be used for games and games only, none of that will touch the OS, so great, about 5.5 gb available for games... awesome
GravityX

What exactly does "flexible" mean?

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]old and you forgot about ..... "We have no comment to make on the amount of memory reserved by the system or what it is used for."TheDidact

Half Life 3 confirmed!

:lol: nothning new

Now look at all the Sony apologist try to spin this, it's funny and sad at the same time. Their actions are those of cult members!!!

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="LordOfPoms"]The keys of this. 5 gigs of RAM, RAM devoted to OS right now is not locked in place and can be accessed later on in the gen -- like it was freed up on 360 and PS3 this gen. That's not bad at all.LordOfPoms

Xbone has DDR3 not GDDR3.  Two different things.  GDDR3 is based on DDR2 and DDR3 is what GDDR5 is based on.  But anyway the memory is not the real difference.  With its 32mb esram the memory of the xbone will perform close enough to the memory of the PS4 for it not to matter.  The real difference between the system and honestly the only substantial difference in terms of performance is the GPU in the PS4 being ~33% stronger.

sony changing the name to ps4.5 :D

[QUOTE="LordOfPoms"][QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] exactly, you can always reduce OS footprint but you cant take back RAM down the road, NFJSupreme

Xbone has DDR3 not GDDR3.  Two different things.  GDDR3 is based on DDR2 and DDR3 is what GDDR5 is based on.  But anyway the memory is not the real difference.  With its 32mb esram the memory of the xbone will perform close enough to the memory of the PS4 for it not to matter.  The real difference between the system and honestly the only substantial difference in terms of performance is the GPU in the PS4 being ~33% stronger.

[QUOTE="LordOfPoms"][QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] exactly, you can always reduce OS footprint but you cant take back RAM down the road, NFJSupreme

Xbone has DDR3 not GDDR3.  Two different things.  GDDR3 is based on DDR2 and DDR3 is what GDDR5 is based on.  But anyway the memory is not the real difference.  With its 32mb esram the memory of the xbone will perform close enough to the memory of the PS4 for it not to matter.  The real difference between the system and honestly the only substantial difference in terms of performance is the GPU in the PS4 being ~33% stronger.

Now look at all the Sony apologist try to spin this, it's funny and sad at the same time. Their actions are those of cult members!!!

Far_RockNYC

[QUOTE="Far_RockNYC"]

Now look at all the Sony apologist try to spin this, it's funny and sad at the same time. Their actions are those of cult members!!!

stereointegrity

[QUOTE="TheDidact"][QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]old and you forgot about ..... "We have no comment to make on the amount of memory reserved by the system or what it is used for."PhazonBlazer

Half Life 3 confirmed!

Can some1 please tell me how the fk do they manage to waste 3gb on CONSOLE'S OS? ps3/360's OS uses what? 10mb? next gen uses 3gb, like wtf is thissilversix_

Since these consoles are basically going to be PC's its good theyre going to be feature packed and have crisp fast smooth multi tasking with apps and other stuff

ps3/360's OS uses what? 10mb?silversix_

No, they use more than 10mb

Can some1 please tell me how the fk do they manage to waste 3gb on CONSOLE'S OS? ps3/360's OS uses what? 10mb? next gen uses 3gb, like wtf is thissilversix_

It's not a waste.   Both consoles will have a lot of processes running in the background.  They need that RAM so that the system runs smoothly.  

[QUOTE="silversix_"]Can some1 please tell me how the fk do they manage to waste 3gb on CONSOLE'S OS? ps3/360's OS uses what? 10mb? next gen uses 3gb, like wtf is thisNFJSupreme

It's not a waste.   Both consoles will have a lot of processes running in the background.  They need that RAM so that the system runs smoothly.  

Now look at all the Sony apologist try to spin this, it's funny and sad at the same time. Their actions are those of cult members!!!

Far_RockNYC

[QUOTE="silversix_"]ps3/360's OS uses what? 10mb?R4gn4r0k

No, they use more than 10mb

[QUOTE="LordOfPoms"][QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] exactly, you can always reduce OS footprint but you cant take back RAM down the road, NFJSupreme

Xbone has DDR3 not GDDR3.  Two different things.  GDDR3 is based on DDR2 and DDR3 is what GDDR5 is based on.  But anyway the memory is not the real difference.  With its 32mb esram the memory of the xbone will perform close enough to the memory of the PS4 for it not to matter.  The real difference between the system and honestly the only substantial difference in terms of performance is the GPU in the PS4 being ~33% stronger.

esram is situational in it's use, it closes the gap slightly but not completely. Prior to the 8GB GDDR5 reveal the 4GB of GDDR5 was already considered to be superior to the 8GB of DDR3 + 32MB of esram: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-spec-analysis-durango-vs-orbis

Also, the GPU in the PS4 is 50% stronger not 33% (Or you could say that the Xbox One GPU is 33% weaker)

[QUOTE="silversix_"]Can some1 please tell me how the fk do they manage to waste 3gb on CONSOLE'S OS? ps3/360's OS uses what? 10mb? next gen uses 3gb, like wtf is thisNFJSupreme

It's not a waste.   Both consoles will have a lot of processes running in the background.  They need that RAM so that the system runs smoothly.  

obviously did but its also pretty low compared to 3gb. 3gb makes no sense for a console OS no matter how fast and amazing it is

silversix_

True, it's weird the PS4 would take up so much. Is it running Windows or doing some magical stuff in the background ? If not, I really wonder where all that GDDR5 is going.

Can some1 please tell me how the fk do they manage to waste 3gb on CONSOLE'S OS? ps3/360's OS uses what? 10mb? next gen uses 3gb, like wtf is thissilversix_

[QUOTE="silversix_"]

obviously did but its also pretty low compared to 3gb. 3gb makes no sense for a console OS no matter how fast and amazing it is

R4gn4r0k

True, it's weird the PS4 would take up so much. Is it running Windows or doing some magical stuff in the background ? If not, I really wonder where all that GDDR5 is going.

It's used to power the actual OS, the Perfect Cell.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]

obviously did but its also pretty low compared to 3gb. 3gb makes no sense for a console OS no matter how fast and amazing it is

R4gn4r0k

True, it's weird the PS4 would take up so much. Is it running Windows or doing some magical stuff in the background ? If not, I really wonder where all that GDDR5 is going.

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

[QUOTE="LordOfPoms"] The original article pointed out that MS locked 3 gigs of RAM in place, so that's never coming back unless they change plans. Sony has it placeholding, so it could come back at some point. I'd say both companies unlock these RAM allocations in the future and you see both pushing 6 gigs of RAM for games. Of course, GDDR5 > GDDR3, so 6 gigs of that is better, but whether or not anyone will actually make use of all that is the question.JamDev

Xbone has DDR3 not GDDR3.  Two different things.  GDDR3 is based on DDR2 and DDR3 is what GDDR5 is based on.  But anyway the memory is not the real difference.  With its 32mb esram the memory of the xbone will perform close enough to the memory of the PS4 for it not to matter.  The real difference between the system and honestly the only substantial difference in terms of performance is the GPU in the PS4 being ~33% stronger.

esram is situational in it's use, it closes the gap slightly but not completely. Prior to the 8GB GDDR5 reveal the 4GB of GDDR5 was already considered to be superior to the 8GB of DDR3 + 32MB of esram: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-spec-analysis-durango-vs-orbis

Also, the GPU in the PS4 is 50% stronger not 33% (Or you could say that the Xbox One GPU is 33% weaker)

i never claimed it closed the gap just that it made it smaller and that performance wouldn't be different enough to matter in real world performance.  Which is what that articile stated.

But you are right though I misworded my statements.  PS4 GPU is 50% stronger than the xbone or the xbone's gpu is 33% weaker.

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

[QUOTE="silversix_"]Can some1 please tell me how the fk do they manage to waste 3gb on CONSOLE'S OS? ps3/360's OS uses what? 10mb? next gen uses 3gb, like wtf is thissilversix_

It's not a waste.   Both consoles will have a lot of processes running in the background.  They need that RAM so that the system runs smoothly.  

it depends on the programs you are running.  Even with Win7 once you start running multiple programs memory usage jumps.

It's used to power the actual OS, the Perfect Cell.

PhazonBlazer

GDDR5 and the cell combined ?

The original article said it was placeholding for potential features, but as the OS is streamlined they would release that RAM back to developers. So I guess if they find a can't miss feature they know they have the RAM there for it and with no devs really using 4 gigs anyway, why leave it on the table now if nobody is using it? It makes sense.LordOfPoms

I know what you mean: they did that with the PSP. It only used 222Mhz power at first and later Sony allowed 333Mhz to create prettier games like GOW.

BUT on the PSP that was done because it's battery was so weak it couldn't last long at 333Mhz. So there was a reason to do it. Now there is none.

LMAO 'nobody is using it' is not a reason, silly, especially when nobody is ALLOWED to use it in their devkits...

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

[QUOTE="silversix_"]Can some1 please tell me how the fk do they manage to waste 3gb on CONSOLE'S OS? ps3/360's OS uses what? 10mb? next gen uses 3gb, like wtf is thissilversix_

It's not a waste.   Both consoles will have a lot of processes running in the background.  They need that RAM so that the system runs smoothly.  

lets see you got

Remote play

the share function

the apps and such

cross game chat

switching from other media instantaneously

gaikai integration

the start playing straight away after start of download?

cloud services

the ps4 eye

unknown future bits and bobs still to be added

I'm just spit balling here and I doubt even all the things I have listed require sizeable chunks of memory

PS4 could have half the RAM of the XBox One and still perform 20% better.

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PS4 could have half the RAM of the XBox One and still perform 20% better.

Shewgenja

That graph means sh1t if developers optimize for DDR3 instead of GDDR5.

I'm not saying they will but that graph pretty much tells us nothing about games and how the developers optimize them.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

 

PS4 could have half the RAM of the XBox One and still perform 20% better.

R4gn4r0k

That graph means sh1t if developers optimize for DDR3 instead of GDDR5.

I'm not saying they will but that graph pretty much tells us nothing about games and how the developers optimize them.

 

PS4 could have half the RAM of the XBox One and still perform 20% better.

Shewgenja

That's it i'm canceling my pre order and getting a xbox one which has more ram on top of that it's faster ddr3 ram too. metal_zombie

You must be joking because lol if you think DDR3 is faster than GDDR5.