UT3 Proves Blu-ray is not needed for gaming

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#1 acekall
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Once again blu-ray is not needed for gaming.

bu bu bu teh bluz rayzzz :(

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#2 Meu2k7
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I wasnt here back then, or whatever.

But I bet people like you would be saying "Ocarina is proof that CDs are not needed :S". .... doesnt matter, its better, thats just fact.

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#3 Funkyhamster
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This argument is kinda flawed - cows will just point out games like Resistence that take up more than 9GB of space... even though in many cases (such as that of Resistance), half of the data is redundant.
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#4 raynimrod
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But then again, CDs and DVD's aren't needed for gaming either. What's your point?
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#5 vitz3
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Uhh. UT3 isn't that big of a game to begin with. It's already going to be ported so ya.

Blu-ray is needed for games.

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#6 EPaul
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number# 544647.901 Blu Ray is not needed thread
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#7 BK-Sleeper
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I wasnt here back then, or whatever.

But I bet people like you would be saying "Ocarina is proof that CDs are not needed :S". .... doesnt matter, its better, thats just fact.

Meu2k7

Prove it's fact. I dare you to try to make it a LEGIT fact.

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#8 -RPGamer-
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It's hard to prove that increased space is not needed for gaming at some point, be it now or some time in the near future (really depends on how much content developers start tossing in their games).
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#9 Meu2k7
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[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

I wasnt here back then, or whatever.

But I bet people like you would be saying "Ocarina is proof that CDs are not needed :S". .... doesnt matter, its better, thats just fact.

BK-Sleeper

Prove it's fact. I dare you to try to make it a LEGIT fact.

Size for a start?

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#10 Bdking57
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its not better cost wise... its not better and fails because it delayed the PS3s launch over a year, and delayed this gen substantially...It wasnt worth it because in 2 years they can make a brand new next gen system with a bluray player or whatever...with double the grahpics possibilities of the current gen for under $400.. thats why PS3 equipped with bluray is a joke.

I wasnt here back then, or whatever.

But I bet people like you would be saying "Ocarina is proof that CDs are not needed :S". .... doesnt matter, its better, thats just fact.

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#11 raynimrod
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its not better cost wise... its not better and fails because it delayed the PS3s launch over a year, and delayed this gen substantially...It wasnt worth it because in 2 years they can make a brand new next gen system with a bluray player or whatever...with double the grahpics possibilities of the current gen for under $400.. thats why PS3 equipped with bluray is a joke.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

I wasnt here back then, or whatever.

But I bet people like you would be saying "Ocarina is proof that CDs are not needed :S". .... doesnt matter, its better, thats just fact.

Bdking57



That's why this is only your opinion.
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#12 yoshi_64
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Needed now or later, doesn't matter. I'm sure we can all agree advances in technology are going to happen regardless of what's needed at the now. Cause it's possible, or maybe more likely should I say, that in the future a larger storage medium is going to be used. Be it disc form or just have it be digital download, who knows. But I'm sure that space can become an issue to some devs who want total and absolute freedom or to be less worried about what they may need to cut just to make it fit.
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#13 black_awpN1
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I think games like KZ 2 will prove that Blu-Ray would be needed for a game like that to be on 360, MGS 4 too. But no, its not absolutely needed, but its nice to have wehn larger gamescome out. I do think its going to be necessary next gen though.
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#14 Ericvon71
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This argument is kinda flawed - cows will just point out games like Resistence that take up more than 9GB of space... even though in many cases (such as that of Resistance), half of the data is redundant.Funkyhamster

Kind of like the argument that it is not needed is flawed.....................funny how you couch developers only seem to think that it is not needed.

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#15 acekall
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Uhh. UT3 isn't that big of a game to begin with. It's already going to be ported so ya.

Blu-ray is needed for games.

vitz3

remember that interview? Mark Rein was ratteling about how awesome blu-ray was bc they had enough room for the maps and that the 360 version would be severely limited because of the dual layer dvd.

Looks like he was wrong.

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#16 black_awpN1
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[QUOTE="vitz3"]

Uhh. UT3 isn't that big of a game to begin with. It's already going to be ported so ya.

Blu-ray is needed for games.

acekall

remember that interview? Mark Rein was ratteling about how awesome blu-ray was bc they had enough room for the maps and that the 360 version would be severely limited because of the dual layer dvd.

Looks like he was wrong.

Couldnt they add maps VIA downloadable content and with the mod community? or would that be more of a HDD space rather than a Blu-Ray space thing?

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#17 acekall
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[QUOTE="acekall"][QUOTE="vitz3"]

Uhh. UT3 isn't that big of a game to begin with. It's already going to be ported so ya.

Blu-ray is needed for games.

black_awpN1

remember that interview? Mark Rein was ratteling about how awesome blu-ray was bc they had enough room for the maps and that the 360 version would be severely limited because of the dual layer dvd.

Looks like he was wrong.

Couldnt they add maps VIA downloadable content and with the mod community? or would that be more of a HDD space rather than a Blu-Ray space thing?

yeah, but he was was talking about content on the disk

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#18 mgs_freak91
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yes blu-ray isnt needed. but blu-ray gives the developers the chance to make much better games, imagine what mass effect would of been like on blu-ray. heaps more planets you can go to and the terrain would of been better to, you give a game maker more space to play with...then more possibilities are open.

and its not as though SONY is going to give them the option of working on a blu-ray dvd or not. its not as though blu-ray makes game making that much harder...so they just use as much space as they want from blu-ray.

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#19 p2rus
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maybe rushing the game out changed their strategy?
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#20 Sky_Raptor
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you picked a small game to be claiming blu ray is not needed, ut3 is only 7.95gb on PC

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#21 Fumpa
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The Blue-ray is needed for gaming, yet somehow the 360 and Wii (and PSP and PC and DS etc) get by without it. How is this possible?
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#22 mgs_freak91
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[QUOTE="vitz3"]

Uhh. UT3 isn't that big of a game to begin with. It's already going to be ported so ya.

Blu-ray is needed for games.

acekall

remember that interview? Mark Rein was ratteling about how awesome blu-ray was bc they had enough room for the maps and that the 360 version would be severely limited because of the dual layer dvd.

Looks like he was wrong.

that isnt the fault of blu-ray, thats because they didnt want to make heaps n heaps of maps and put them onto the disk, remember...not only does the ps3 get downloadable maps but mods as well (just like the PC). you still dont know if thats going to happen with the 360 version!! you also dont know if the 360 version will come out with the same amount of maps.

a while ago their was another lemming that said the same thing, "blu-ray isnt needed" he posted a pic of a computer screen with the properties of the drive, it said 4.3 (i think it was this number) gigs used...and it said that the space on the blu-ray is 4.3 gigs as well. why is it like that? (to any computer wiz's) or was that all just bull, if it was...please dont show stuff like that, its pathetic and doesnt prove anything.

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#23 turgore
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Uhh. UT3 isn't that big of a game to begin with. It's already going to be ported so ya.

Blu-ray is needed for games.

vitz3

Why ? Multi DVDs are just as good as blue flop I mean ray.

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#24 raynimrod
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[QUOTE="vitz3"]

Uhh. UT3 isn't that big of a game to begin with. It's already going to be ported so ya.

Blu-ray is needed for games.

turgore

Why ? Multi DVDs are just as good as blue flop I mean ray.



I find it hilarious how you can call it blu flop.
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#25 Ragashahs
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i highly doubt UT3 is just 4gb big
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#26 Blue-Sphere
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Advancement in tech? Obviously

Needed? No.

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#27 Cedmln
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UT3 is NOt a large game.
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#28 Heil68
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It not bad having extra space available. :?
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#29 Einhanderkiller
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UT3 has like a third of the maps that UT2004 has, and UT2004 is somewhere around 9GB, I believe.
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#30 jdang307
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[QUOTE="vitz3"]

Uhh. UT3 isn't that big of a game to begin with. It's already going to be ported so ya.

Blu-ray is needed for games.

turgore

Why ? Multi DVDs are just as good as blue flop I mean ray.

It is until you pop in that sandbox game ..
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#31 slickchris7777
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This reminds me of when they said DVDs are not needed for movies.

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#32 Ontain
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Uhh. UT3 isn't that big of a game to begin with. It's already going to be ported so ya.

Blu-ray is needed for games.

vitz3

i remember them saying how ut2004 was almost 6 gigs and that the next would need bluray. so much for that.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/notag/mark-rein-utiii-love-the-blu+ray-289595.php

just shows how they overhype things.

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#33 Ontain
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UT3 has like a third of the maps that UT2004 has, and UT2004 is somewhere around 9GB, I believe.Einhanderkiller

about 5.5 gigs

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#34 Jynxzor
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This reminds me of when they said DVDs are not needed for movies.

slickchris7777

VHS ftw!

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#35 ChiChiMonKilla
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UT3 is under 8 gigs on pc so what's your point about blu-ray again ???
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#36 legol1
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its fun how peoples talk about all the thing dev will be able to do with that much space but you forget how much it cost in time and money to use 5 gig how do you think dev have the ressource to use 25 and im not talking about the way sony dev use it but the way MS dev use it.
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#37 skirlnik
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UT3 proves Blu-ray is not needed for UT3.

Fixed.

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#38 mistervengeance
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so every game on the ps3 automatically needs to take up more than 9 gigs?
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#39 deactivated-59603ff9b9423
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Great! Another Blu-ray is needed\not needed thread...yawn... :|
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#40 LibertySaint
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Uhh. UT3 isn't that big of a game to begin with. It's already going to be ported so ya.

Blu-ray is needed for games.

vitz3

not yet wait 4 years. then it mabe. the hardware doesn't needed yet, once the hardware does then it will be, like with pcs eventually needing dvd and devs canceling the cd format because # of disc and the size.

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#41 SSCyborg
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I wasnt here back then, or whatever.

But I bet people like you would be saying "Ocarina is proof that CDs are not needed :S". .... doesnt matter, its better, thats just fact.

Meu2k7

Give me a game with as much substance to it as Ocarina of Time on a CD.

edit: nothing is ever NEEDED, you just want it. You want better graphics, but does that equal gameplay? no

you want better gameplay, but do you need graphics for it? no

Some may argue good graphics can make good gameplay which I agree with, and more data held = better and more gameplay

but

it only does in some cases

ps. have fun with my post

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#42 XTy
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Once again blu-ray is not needed for gaming.

bu bu bu teh bluz rayzzz :(

acekall

Soul Caliber for Dream Cast proves DVD isn't needed for gaming.

bu bu bu teh DVDssssssss's! :(

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#43 ermacness
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I hear alot of lemmings claiming that "Blu-ray isn't needed" and "the PS3 should've left out Blu-ray" and while that may stand somewhat for gaming now (excluding the fact that motorstorm hasn't been technically surpassed by any other racer to date basng off of the physics, detail, crashes, and the actual size of most of the tracks), but isn't that's why HD-DVD is in the perdicament that they're in as of right now??!!! So before spewing nonsense, just do some extreme research before hand, especially when they are actual facts that contest your statement

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#44 Solid-CELL
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Ill make it simple for your simple mind...

El Blu-Ray es BIGGER and better than anything out in the market.

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#45 MetroidPrimePwn
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No, the thing that proves that Blu-Ray is not needed is that Sony switches their format for games every generation. On their next-gen console, the PS4, they'll probably be using a disk format with even more space than Blu-Ray, and Blu-Ray won't be needed anymore.
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#46 Durkoki
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Well gee most multiplatform games (including PC) don't need Blu-Ray anyways, and if you're a 360 fanboy then, if it did need Blu-Ray, you wouldn't get it on your 360.
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#47 Gamerboi27
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bluray is not needed...ok dont get the ps3, congratz
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#48 JCblueside
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Examples of uncompressed games on the PS3 8)

Ratchet & Clank Future = 15 GB
Uncharted =Apprx 17 GB
Heavenly Sword = Apprx 11 Gb
Killzone 2 = 4.5 GB Alone in the level shown in E3 2007.
MGS4 = Apprx 45 GB
And many many more...

Good luck playing your either compressed games or multiple disc games now and in the future Lems. :lol:

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#49 biggamerhk
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Well, as games get more and more advanced, they're obviously going to use up more memory. Yeah, blu-ray might not be essential now, but in the future, it will definitely be.
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#50 legol1
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Examples of uncompressed games on the PS3 8)

Ratchet & Clank Future = 15 GB
Uncharted =Apprx 17 GB
Heavenly Sword = Apprx 11 Gb
Killzone 2 = 4.5 GB Alone in the level shown in E3 2007.
MGS4 = Apprx 45 GB
And many many more...

Good luck playing your either compressed games or multiple disc games now and in the future Lems. :lol:

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