Value Wars. Gold vs PS+.

I keep hearing the certain gamers on this board claim that PS+ is a "laughable service" and is a "total rip off", yet these same people will fight to the death to defend that Gold is amazing value and better then PS+ and totally worth it.

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• Let's look at the facts.

• For less then what it costs to get Xbox Live Gold, PS+ get's you access to games like Wipeout HD, LittleBigPlanet, Destruction Derby. In a nutshell PS3 titles, PS1 titles, PSN Arcade Titles, Minis, DLC, special themes, exclusive demo's and services such as Qore. And all these things add up each month, I think it's supposed to be 4 titles per month? At the end of the year you'll have experienced a very significant amount of content and games that would have otherwise cost you a lot more then the entry fee. And best of all, if your already a crazy PSN purchaser, it's 100% optional, and you don't feel like your missing out if you don't subscribe.

• What do you get with Xbox Live Gold? Nothing... You rent Online play, which in reality is nothing. PS+ gives you bang for you buck, you don't even need to buy any games, Gold is only for people to access the online portion of their already purchased titles. And please don't list Live features that are a part of Silver this is about Xbox Live Gold.

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So my question to System Wars is, is it not totally unreasonable to say "Gold is better value"? This is beyond being about opinions and preference, it's simply a fact that PS+ gives you more value. What do you guys think?

What do you get with Xbox Live Gold? Nothing...

Gamtrix

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]What do you get with Xbox Live Gold? Nothing...

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]What do you get with Xbox Live Gold? Nothing...

Gamtrix

PS+ is a glorified rental service.

JONO51

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]What do you get with Xbox Live Gold? Nothing...

Gamtrix

XBL gives you a more comprehensive online experience. PSN feels tacked on and empty.CuteCakes

PS+ is a glorified rental service.

JONO51

XBLG most value, PSN+ less exploitative.

PSN+ would be good if it offered the content XBLA has, but unfortunately PSN pales in comparison. Anjunaddict

LOL xbox live gold's value is withholding online play which the purchased game ships with. One is offering something while the other is withholding something. you tell me the better value.

[QUOTE="JONO51"]

PS+ is a glorified rental service.

Gamtrix

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]PSN+ would be good if it offered the content XBLA has, but unfortunately PSN pales in comparison. Gamtrix

Of course I did. When i pay 30 quid a year, i pay so that i can play great games online, and thats what I get.

If I were to pay whatever it is a year for PSN+, I would be paying for the opportunity to download games that Sony CHOOSE. And considering that PSN pales in comparison to XBLA, and doesn't have that many good looking games that I don't already own, where would the value in that be?

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"][QUOTE="JONO51"]

PS+ is a glorified rental service.

red12355

[QUOTE="JONO51"]

PS+ is a glorified rental service.

Gamtrix

[QUOTE="red12355"][QUOTE="Gamtrix"] So is Gold... Did you not read the thread? Are you informed on both services?Gamtrix

:lol: rightfully yours? But its not, Microsoft pay to keep online running, because its not entirely client hosted like fanboys like to believe. It would be nice for it to be free, yeah, but thats different.

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"][QUOTE="red12355"] I would take online play over games that disappear when you stop paying.Anjunaddict

:lol: rightfully yours? But its not, Microsoft pay to keep online running, because its not entirely client hosted like fanboys like to believe. It would be nice for it to be free, yeah, but thats different.

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"][QUOTE="JONO51"]

PS+ is a glorified rental service.

R3FURBISHED

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"] But online play dissapears when you stop paying too. And it's free everywhere else, and 99% of gamers everywhere will tell you that it's rightfully yours when you purchase a game. MethodManFTW

:lol: rightfully yours? But its not, Microsoft pay to keep online running, because its not entirely client hosted like fanboys like to believe. It would be nice for it to be free, yeah, but thats different.

And? I never said they did.

[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"][QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

:lol: rightfully yours? But its not, Microsoft pay to keep online running, because its not entirely client hosted like fanboys like to believe. It would be nice for it to be free, yeah, but thats different.

Anjunaddict

And? I never said they did.

But it is. It's the rental of online play. And don't bother bring Silver feautres into this discussion. Gamtrix

It isn't. You are buying the right to all things that come with Gold for 48 hours, 1 month, 1 year, 13 months, whatever. You are paying for a service for however long you sign up for. That service is yours for that time and you have the right/ability to use it however you will as long as that falls within the companies Terms of Use.

There is a difference between purchasing a service and renting an item.

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"][QUOTE="red12355"] I would take online play over games that disappear when you stop paying.Anjunaddict

:lol: rightfully yours? But its not, Microsoft pay to keep online running, because its not entirely client hosted like fanboys like to believe. It would be nice for it to be free, yeah, but thats different.

The difference is online vs games.red12355

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]But it is. It's the rental of online play. And don't bother bring Silver feautres into this discussion. R3FURBISHED

It isn't. You are buying the right to all things that come with Gold for 48 hours, 1 month, 1 year, 13 months, whatever. You are paying for a service for however long you sign up for. That service is yours for that time and you have the right/ability to use it however you will as long as that falls within the companies Terms of Use.

There is a difference between purchasing a service and renting an item.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"] Microsoft doesn't host any games. MethodManFTW

And? I never said they did.

Despite most 360 games being client hosted, theres still a lot there that is server hosted, such as leaderboards, file sharing, cross game chat etc.

XBL does not provide M$ 100% profit, someone else posted here a while back that around 35% is operating costs. So while it would be nice for XBL to be free like the competition, you can't say it should be free, or that its rightfully yours, because its not.

[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"][QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

And? I never said they did.

Anjunaddict

Despite most 360 games being client hosted, theres still a lot there that is server hosted, such as leaderboards, file sharing, cross game chat etc.

XBL does not provide M$ 100% profit, someone else posted here a while back that around 35% is operating costs. So while it would be nice for XBL to be free like the competition, you can't say it should be free, or that its rightfully yours, because its not.

Online leaderboards? XBL doesn't host those...

If XBL Gold's features were file sharing, voice messaging, and cross game chat who would pay 60 bucks for that?

I keep hearing the certain gamers on this board claim that PS+ is a "laughable service" and is a "total rip off", yet these same people will fight to the death to defend that Gold is amazing value and better then PS+ and totally worth it.

_

• Let's look at the facts.

• For less then what it costs to get Xbox Live Gold, PS+ get's you access to games like Wipeout HD, LittleBigPlanet, Destruction Derby. In a nutshell PS3 titles, PS1 titles, PSN Arcade Titles, Minis, DLC, special themes, exclusive demo's and services such as Qore. And all these things add up each month, I think it's supposed to be 4 titles per month? At the end of the year you'll have experienced a very significant amount of content and games that would have otherwise cost you a lot more then the entry fee. And best of all, if your already a crazy PSN purchaser, it's 100% optional, and you don't feel like your missing out if you don't subscribe.

• What do you get with Xbox Live Gold? Nothing... You rent Online play, which in reality is nothing. PS+ gives you bang for you buck, you don't even need to buy any games, Gold is only for people to access the online portion of their already purchased titles. And please don't list Live features that are a part of Silver this is about Xbox Live Gold.

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So my question to System Wars is, is it not totally unreasonable to say "Gold is better value"? This is beyond being about opinions and preference, it's simply a fact that PS+ gives you more value. What do you guys think?

Gamtrix

Do you even have a 360 and XBLG? I personally dislike MS and the pay to play online but to say XBLG offers NOTHING but online play is exactly what a diehard biased Cow would say and it is completely wrong.

If you are going to start a thread like this at least explain everything XBLG offers instead of purposely excluding everything just to make PSN+ sound amazing when compared.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"] But online play dissapears when you stop paying too. And it's free everywhere else, and 99% of gamers everywhere will tell you that it's rightfully yours when you purchase a game. Gamtrix

:lol: rightfully yours? But its not, Microsoft pay to keep online running, because its not entirely client hosted like fanboys like to believe. It would be nice for it to be free, yeah, but thats different.

If that were the case, you'd only have your own stupidity to blame. And stop saying i don't comprehend whats going on, because I most certainly do.

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]

I keep hearing the certain gamers on this board claim that PS+ is a "laughable service" and is a "total rip off", yet these same people will fight to the death to defend that Gold is amazing value and better then PS+ and totally worth it.

_

• Let's look at the facts.

• For less then what it costs to get Xbox Live Gold, PS+ get's you access to games like Wipeout HD, LittleBigPlanet, Destruction Derby. In a nutshell PS3 titles, PS1 titles, PSN Arcade Titles, Minis, DLC, special themes, exclusive demo's and services such as Qore. And all these things add up each month, I think it's supposed to be 4 titles per month? At the end of the year you'll have experienced a very significant amount of content and games that would have otherwise cost you a lot more then the entry fee. And best of all, if your already a crazy PSN purchaser, it's 100% optional, and you don't feel like your missing out if you don't subscribe.

• What do you get with Xbox Live Gold? Nothing... You rent Online play, which in reality is nothing. PS+ gives you bang for you buck, you don't even need to buy any games, Gold is only for people to access the online portion of their already purchased titles. And please don't list Live features that are a part of Silver this is about Xbox Live Gold.

_

So my question to System Wars is, is it not totally unreasonable to say "Gold is better value"? This is beyond being about opinions and preference, it's simply a fact that PS+ gives you more value. What do you guys think?

VladJasonDrac

Do you even have a 360 and XBLG? I personally dislike MS and the pay to play online but to say XBLG offers NOTHING but online play is exactly what a diehard biased Cow would say and it is completely wrong.

If you are going to start a thread like this at least explain everything XBLG offers instead of purposely excluding everything just to make PSN+ sound amazing when compared.

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"]But it is. It's the rental of online play. And don't bother bring Silver feautres into this discussion. Gamtrix

It isn't. You are buying the right to all things that come with Gold for 48 hours, 1 month, 1 year, 13 months, whatever. You are paying for a service for however long you sign up for. That service is yours for that time and you have the right/ability to use it however you will as long as that falls within the companies Terms of Use.

There is a difference between purchasing a service and renting an item.

What in the hell are you talking about?

Live you purchase for an extended period, whatever transactions you make within your time under that contract, are still yours after the contract has terminated.

If I buy a Halo 3 map pack when I have Gold, and my Gold subscription ends I will still have the ability to play on the maps within the map pack I purchased.

[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"][QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

And? I never said they did.

Anjunaddict

Despite most 360 games being client hosted, theres still a lot there that is server hosted, such as leaderboards, file sharing, cross game chat etc.

XBL does not provide M$ 100% profit, someone else posted here a while back that around 35% is operating costs. So while it would be nice for XBL to be free like the competition, you can't say it should be free, or that its rightfully yours, because its not.

[QUOTE="Gamtrix"][QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

It isn't. You are buying the right to all things that come with Gold for 48 hours, 1 month, 1 year, 13 months, whatever. You are paying for a service for however long you sign up for. That service is yours for that time and you have the right/ability to use it however you will as long as that falls within the companies Terms of Use.

There is a difference between purchasing a service and renting an item.

R3FURBISHED

What in the hell are you talking about?

Live you purchase for an extended period, whatever transactions you make within your time under that contract, are still yours after the contract has terminated.

If I buy a Halo 3 map pack when I have Gold, and my Gold subscription ends I will still have the ability to play on the maps within the map pack I purchased.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"] So what are we paying for?MethodManFTW

Despite most 360 games being client hosted, theres still a lot there that is server hosted, such as leaderboards, file sharing, cross game chat etc.

XBL does not provide M$ 100% profit, someone else posted here a while back that around 35% is operating costs. So while it would be nice for XBL to be free like the competition, you can't say it should be free, or that its rightfully yours, because its not.

Online leaderboards? XBL doesn't host those...

If XBL Gold's features were file sharing, voice messaging, and cross game chat who would pay 60 bucks for that?

Who hosts online leaderboards then?

And no, it shouldn't be free just because of the competition.