Valve are the most overrated,laziest, untalented Devs this gen..

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#1 Kennysolidsnake
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I dont get why Valve and their games are so praised so much.. Ok lets look at the games this gen they have released.. The orange box which was just all their past games on one disc made for consoles.. Left 4 Dead which was a fun yet extremely overrated game that got boring really fast.. then just one year later came Left 4 Dead 2 which was nearly identical to Left 4 Dead with a new game mode and new characters.. oh and mellee weapons..

There games are nothing special at all... mediocre graphics, repetitive gameplay, no depth to any of their games whatsoever.. sure Half Life and portal where great, but that was several years ago..

There are just way way better devs out there that dont get near the amount of attention.. Guerilla and the Devs who made Demons souls come to mind. Valve cant even make a game on PS3 lol.. Nearly every other Dev has learned how to make a game on the PS3 other than Valve.. ok so is valve going to just keep making games on the 360 and PC the rest of their life? they have to face reality that the PS3 user base is growing rapidly and they better learn how to make a game for it.

Just because they made half life doesnt give them a free pass on being so lazy and bias on not even wanting to attempt to make a game on the PS3.. Come on, even crappy Factor 5 with Crappy Lair knows how to make a PS3 game.

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#2 organic_machine
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Valve are excellet devs. It sucks that they choose not to develop on PS3. But to flat out deny their quality is just as wrong as Valve's hatred of the PS3.

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#3 MonsieurX
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Pretty sure that Valve CAN develop on the PS3,but they don't WANT.
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#4 FamiBox
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Opinions, opinions.

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#5 skinny_man_69
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No offense man, but I think you are just upset that Valve doesn't give the PS3 any appreciation. I'm not saying what they choose to do is right, but saying they are untalented because they don't like the PS3 is kind of a weak argument, especially when Portal, Team Fortress 2,Half Life 2: Episode 2, Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 are batting against you

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#6 ImSwordMan
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Orange Box wasnt all there past games

at the time these were new in the orange box

Half life 2 : episode 2

portal

Team fortress 2

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#7 SilverChimera
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You were doing so well until the last 2 paragraphs about PS3 development. Geurilla got a ****load of funding from Sony. Valve doesn't get that kind of money. But I do agree that they are overrated. Untalented? Not really. They're pretty talented. Lazy? Depends how you look at it.
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#8 AAllxxjjnn
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Guerilla talented? They can't even make a game on the Xbox 360!
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#9 destro123
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I think someones a little angry that they dont support the PS3 that much. Valve is one of the best and biggest gaming development companies out there, to say that their "overrated,lazy, and untalented" is really, really ignorant.

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#10 brandontwb
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If you think L4D gets boring fast, then you're doing it wrong.
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#11 Kennysolidsnake
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Valve are excellet devs. It sucks that they choose not to develop on PS3. But to flat out deny their quality is just as wrong as Valve's hatred of the PS3.

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what quality? lol, they use a outdated graphics engine, frankly playing their games feels like playing a game made by a independent dev with limited resources.
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#12 Burning-Sludge
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Sorry TC but no one is worse than Sonic Team.

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#13 Kennysolidsnake
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I think someones a little angry that they dont support the PS3 that much. Valve is one of the best and biggest gaming development companies out there, to say that their "overrated,lazy, and untalented" is really, really ignorant.

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they are untalented.. they release games with outdated graphics engine, no story lines and mindless run and gun gameplay
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#14 navyguy21
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another PS3 fanboy hating valve............yea this is original.............:roll: Why do cows have this twisted sense of entitilement...........as if everyone is OBLIGATED to like and develop for PS3 :roll:
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The only thing Valve has been slacking on is releasing HL2: Episode 3.
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#16 organic_machine
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[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

Valve are excellet devs. It sucks that they choose not to develop on PS3. But to flat out deny their quality is just as wrong as Valve's hatred of the PS3.

Kennysolidsnake

what quality? lol, they use a outdated graphics engine, frankly playing their games feels like playing a game made by a independent dev with limited resources.

So graphics = gameplay? Wow, no wonder you think Guerilla makes great games!

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#17 n00bkid
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Valve has lost my respect...Can't even make PS3 games, such nooobs
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#18 AAllxxjjnn
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[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

Valve are excellet devs. It sucks that they choose not to develop on PS3. But to flat out deny their quality is just as wrong as Valve's hatred of the PS3.

Kennysolidsnake
feels like playing a game made by a independent dev with limited resources.

And what's wrong with that?
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#19 Brendissimo35
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Objectively speaking, valve is a great developer. Whether or not you like the style of their games is up to you, but it sounds like much of your argument which is not completely factually incorrect stems from valve not developing for the PS3. That's no basis for an argument at all.

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#20 skinny_man_69
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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"][QUOTE="organic_machine"]

Valve are excellet devs. It sucks that they choose not to develop on PS3. But to flat out deny their quality is just as wrong as Valve's hatred of the PS3.

feels like playing a game made by a independent dev with limited resources.

And what's wrong with that?

Yeah last I checked Braid and World of Goo were some of my favourites from this generation. I guess I have no taste :(
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#21 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="destro123"]

I think someones a little angry that they dont support the PS3 that much. Valve is one of the best and biggest gaming development companies out there, to say that their "overrated,lazy, and untalented" is really, really ignorant.

Kennysolidsnake
they are untalented.. they release games with outdated graphics engine, no story lines and mindless run and gun gameplay

Yes, you're absolutely right. Half-Life and Portal have absolutely no story. And I completely forgot, graphics>>>>>>>>>gameplay. Come back when you can actually make a point.
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Valve has lost my respect...Can't even make PS3 games, such nooobsn00bkid

Why should they bother? You need to communicate to play Left4Dead2 and communication certainly isn't one of PSN's stronger suits?

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#23 AAllxxjjnn
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[QUOTE="destro123"]

I think someones a little angry that they dont support the PS3 that much. Valve is one of the best and biggest gaming development companies out there, to say that their "overrated,lazy, and untalented" is really, really ignorant.

Kennysolidsnake
they are untalented.. they release games with outdated graphics engine, no story lines and mindless run and gun gameplay

:lol: No Story lines? What?
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#24 fighter91
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You're just pissed that Valve doesn't support the PS3. Come on, admit it....

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#25 d3uc3
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So now if a devloper doesn't release games on every platform they suck? They focus on PC, they only bothered porting their games for the extra $$$. And how are they lazy, have you not seen the amount of updates that Tf2 has recieved on PC (all for free). There are far more developers that fit the description you just mentioned, you just seem bitter that you cant play their games on ps3.

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#26 ActicEdge
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I came into this thread expecting bitter PS fans and I was not disappointed. Whenever I hear Valve and lazy, I know its a sony fanboy. Please, expllain why any developer is obligated to makes PS3 games?

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#27 brandontwb
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[QUOTE="destro123"]

I think someones a little angry that they dont support the PS3 that much. Valve is one of the best and biggest gaming development companies out there, to say that their "overrated,lazy, and untalented" is really, really ignorant.

Kennysolidsnake
they are untalented.. they release games with outdated graphics engine, no story lines and mindless run and gun gameplay

If it's so mindless run and gun gameplay try beating expert realism. L4D is all about co-op, something you probably missed playing with bots. I dont mean to be offensive in any way, but how can you not like Nintendo at all? They have some of the greatest gameing experiences of all time.
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#28 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"][QUOTE="destro123"]

I think someones a little angry that they dont support the PS3 that much. Valve is one of the best and biggest gaming development companies out there, to say that their "overrated,lazy, and untalented" is really, really ignorant.

AAllxxjjnn

they are untalented.. they release games with outdated graphics engine, no story lines and mindless run and gun gameplay

:lol: No Story lines? What?

Seriously.... anyone who says that hasn't played a Valve game.

Bitter much?

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#29 naval
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Maybe Valve can make a game on PS 3 but they don't really want to bother themselves. Cows crying over how Valve is lame because they don't make any PS 3 games makes me realize who goo their games are
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#30 organic_machine
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I came into this thread expecting bitter PS fans and I was not disappointed. Whenever I hear Valve and lazy, I know its a sony fanboy. Please, expllain why any developer is obligated to makes PS3 games?

ActicEdge

Buh... buh... teh cell!!! :cry:

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#31 alextherussian
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Theyve been releasing quality after quality, based on critical acclaim, sales and word of mouth. If you don't like L4D that is entirely your prerogative. But atleast have the decency to acknowledge that others may, absolutely love the game. Just as they might enjoy other current generation valve games like say TF2 or HL2: episode 2.... . Your basically hating on a large group of educated, hard (probably admittedly a bit slow) working individuals, because they don't work on your console of choice. Whatever happened to just enjoying a game for a game, and not for what piece of electronics plays it.
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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"] they are untalented.. they release games with outdated graphics engine, no story lines and mindless run and gun gameplayDarkLink77
:lol: No Story lines? What?

Seriously.... anyone who says that hasn't played a Valve game.

Even with TF2 which is pure multiplayer they managed to give every character a unique personality, as if you've known them your entire life.

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#33 MonsieurX
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Source Engine is still holding well for a 2004 engine
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#34 nitromuffin
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i think they are pretty bad to...they have good games but there nothing graphically spectacular which does make them seem lazy and they are just 360 fanboys...and yes they are overrated

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#35 good_sk8er7
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I agree that they are waaaaayyyyyy overrated, but they are good devs. Just not the best ever like many try to make them out to be.

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im glad ps3 devs know how to make games for the ps3 otherwise id be surprised lol

YOU HAVENT PLAYED A VALVE GAME, YOUR POINT IS NULL

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I came into this thread expecting bitter PS fans and I was not disappointed. Whenever I hear Valve and lazy, I know its a sony fanboy. Please, expllain why any developer is obligated to makes PS3 games?

organic_machine

Buh... buh... teh cell!!! :cry:

I forgot. All hail teh cell !!!!!!!!!11

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i think they are pretty bad to...they have good games but there nothing graphically spectacular which does make them seem lazy and they are just 360 fanboys

nitromuffin

Good graphics do not equal a fun game.

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#39 Dystopian-X
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I came into this thread expecting bitter PS fans and I was not disappointed. Whenever I hear Valve and lazy, I know its a sony fanboy. Please, expllain why any developer is obligated to makes PS3 games?

ActicEdge

Same reason MGS4 is exclusive :lol:

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] :lol: No Story lines? What?d3uc3

Seriously.... anyone who says that hasn't played a Valve game.

Even with TF2 which is pure multiplayer they managed to give every character a unique personality, as if you've known them your entire life.

Which is more than any other developer can say. Valve is full of incredible story-tellers.

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[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I came into this thread expecting bitter PS fans and I was not disappointed. Whenever I hear Valve and lazy, I know its a sony fanboy. Please, expllain why any developer is obligated to makes PS3 games?

ActicEdge

Buh... buh... teh cell!!! :cry:

I forgot. All hail teh cell !!!!!!!!!11

WAIT IT HAS TO BE IN CAPS AND YOU NEED MORE EXCLAMATION POINTS AND 1'S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#42 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I came into this thread expecting bitter PS fans and I was not disappointed. Whenever I hear Valve and lazy, I know its a sony fanboy. Please, expllain why any developer is obligated to makes PS3 games?

ActicEdge

Buh... buh... teh cell!!! :cry:

I forgot. All hail teh cell !!!!!!!!!11

Ironically, PC hardware>PS3 hardware, so that point is moot.
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#43 Racer_XLR
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Heh, Valve can't make a PS3 game. :P I'm sure if they put the time and effort into it, they could. . . but they choose not to. And that's fine. To say they're overrated, lazy, untalented, blah, blah, etc because of this is just asinine.
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#44 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I came into this thread expecting bitter PS fans and I was not disappointed. Whenever I hear Valve and lazy, I know its a sony fanboy. Please, expllain why any developer is obligated to makes PS3 games?

Dystopian-X

Same reason MGS4 is exclusive :lol:

Konami likes limiting its sales potential???? But seriously,I will never understand this shear attitude about being owed anything that PS fans seem to have.

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#46 ASK_Story
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I guess Blizzard should be overrated and lazy too because they're the same. Or it's because both Valve and Blizzard make great games that can be enjoyed for many years.

I think it's the latter, although Left 4 Dead 2 didn't sit right with me, but that's only because Valve usually has the best support for their fanbase but L4D1 didn't get any support, which is very uncharacteristic of them.

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#47 MizFitAwesome
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Wouldn't it be funny if Valve annouced a Left4Dead2 port tomorrow?

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#48 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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Naughty Dog is sooooooooo lazy for not developing their games for Xbox 360. But then they make generic platformers, so they're just untalented anyway.

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#49 Mazoch
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i think they are pretty bad to...they have good games but there nothing graphically spectacular which does make them seem lazy and they are just 360 fanboys...and yes they are overrated

nitromuffin

Oh dear.. as a Hermit I have to take justa bit of offense at that.

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#50 imprezawrx500
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thanks for your opinion, if you say l4d is repetitive what about cod4? that game is far more repetitive and mw2 offers next to nothing over cod4 and it took them two whole years. ld4 completely changed online mp. It showed another way you can make a online game that is really fun and isn't the same as everything else. now heaps of games are now trying to do the same 4 player coop based games made just for mp. If you don't like playing cooperative and love big deathmatch battle find go play mw2 but that doesn't mean l4d doesn't offer anything great. l4d has some of the best small mp based cooperative as well. survivors vs infected is way more fun than team deathmatches ever are. Also coop games before l4d just didn't work well in short blasts which is what you need online. l4d just changed that and showed that coop can work online and be fun in 30min games. playing resident evil 5 for 30min with someone just would be fun when it ends, but l4d is done great so the game doesn't go on forever and playing the same levels stays fun with how different it is each time you play. I don't see why you are trying to say they don't make good games when you largly base it off the orange box which was no seen as anything but lots of old games from the pc market. orange box was only seen good from the consoles side. plus why is there hardly a console fps that has a better sp than hl2? valve just doesn't release the best very often, you have to wait but it is awesome when it comes.