Valve gets paid/or incentivised to not develop for the PS3..That's why people.

I am soooo tired of the inability to "read" between the lines, not just here but other board and comment sections as well. I keep hearing misinformed stuff like, Valve is small, Valve doesn't have time, Valve doesn't do ports, Valve doesn't have enough money...not enough resourses....etc etc...it's really kinda making me ill, because none of that is true. It's like people seriously hampered by an incapability to observe and recognize the obvious, even if its right in front of them.

1. Yes Valve is an "independent" game developer, but for being an "indy", Valve is not small. They are one of the larger ones with 250 employees (probably more now) and growing. A term "small dev-studio" would be one along the likes of SPLASH DAMAGE (approx 60 employees), who seem to be be having no problems making games for all three HD platforms, despite their size.

Valve are also among the wealtiest indy developers out there....not poor by a longshot. Valve hires new staff constantly, and if they wanted to hire people that have PS3 architechture knowledge they could at any time...in fact, they probably already have.

This establishes internal resources

2. Valve has had ported many of their games to several consoles, Dreamcast, PS2, XBOX, XBOX 360, and even PS3. For almost all of their ports, including left 4 Dead, Valve has used outside companies to do the ports for them.

In general, Valves seems to love to port their games to consoles, especially their Half Life games, I assume since Half Life(s) tend to cost the most for them to make. Obviously THE ORANGE BOX was done by EA in 2007, and contrary to popular belief, The "broken" PS3 version was fixed years ago. It actually plays fine.

This establishes ability and willingness (or non willingness) to get console porting done.

3. EA and Valve are in bed together. EA mostly distributes, and depending on the given situation, sometimes they port. EA has also wanted to do ports of L4D, especially L4D 2 for the PS3, but Valve rebuffed that. Obviously EA has enough resources to parachute drop game developers onto Valve's Offices around the clock, Call Of Duty Style. EA's greed is well established, it's legendary in fact. So Why would Valve not let EA port L4D(s) to the PS3?

This establishes that while Valve is "independent", they do have backing from EA, The second largest game publisher in the world.

In all, make no mistake, Valve is totally free to create and not create games for whomever they choose, this topic is to simply quash the misunderstandings of what is and what is not at play here.

Obviously, Valves recent refusal to allow their games on the PS3 platform has absolutely nothing to do with resources, ability, or know how....it's obviously because of something much different.

It's a business decision they have obviously made. They may not see the system as being viable for the time used in producing PS3 games, when most of their experience lies within 360/PC development. It's not strictly about having enough money, its where to spend that money in order to maximize a profit.

I could careless about Valve I got other games I can play

So Why would Valve not let EA port L4D(s) to the PS3?

Persistantthug

This is a really great question. I mean, why wouldn't Valve want their name associated with an EA port of L4D to the PS3? Especially after the amazing job EA did with the Orange Box port. :roll:

It is amazing how some people just are not able to handle the fact that a developer does not want to put their games on their console.SilentlyMad

Stop spinning it.

Since when ismaking money bad?. This is strictly business and as a company all they should care is making big profits from their games. They sure as hell aren't the brightest crayon in the box.

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]It is amazing how some people just are not able to handle the fact that a developer does not want to put their games on their console.tonitorsi

Stop spinning it.

Since when making money is bad?. This is strictly business and as company all they should care is making profits.

unlike some other devs, Valve actually cares more about quality than profits... its pretty obvious when you look at the constant updates that TF2 gets, other devs would charge you for those updates

I agree this is probably just MS sending gifts (with conditions) to them.RedruM_I

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]It is amazing how some people just are not able to handle the fact that a developer does not want to put their games on their console.tonitorsi

Stop spinning it.

Since when ismaking money bad?. This is strictly business and as a company all they should care is making big profits from their games. They sure as hell aren't the brightest crayon in the box.

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[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]It is amazing how some people just are not able to handle the fact that a developer does not want to put their games on their console.ogvampire

Stop spinning it.

Since when making money is bad?. This is strictly business and as company all they should care is making profits.

unlike some other devs, Valve actually cares more about quality than profits... its pretty obvious when you look at the constant updates that TF2 gets, other devs would charge you for those updates

Money is required to make those quality updates. Money depends on wether these updates are realeased or what not. Again. since when is making money a bad thing from a business standpoint?

wow, some people really are caught up in the console war, and all the PR/fanboy/troll propaganda. Its a CHOICE, let it go! I guess insomniac is lazy, biased, and fanboyish too right?. Good lord, what has gaming come to? :(navyguy21

Insomniac gets incentivised (extra) by Sony as well.

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Stop spinning it.

Since when making money is bad?. This is strictly business and as company all they should care is making profits.

tonitorsi

unlike some other devs, Valve actually cares more about quality than profits... its pretty obvious when you look at the constant updates that TF2 gets, other devs would charge you for those updates

Money is required to create those qualityupdates. Money depends on wether these updates are realeased or what not. Again. since when is making money a bad thing from a business standpoint?

I work at a small tech company of about 15 people. We have made a decision to try to stay small, and that sometimes means that we turn down opportunities. Less people means more money for the worker who are currently here. Of course, Valve could spin their wells for 9 months really perfecting their knowledge of the PS3 development. But they could spend the same amount of developer time and complete most of Eposide 3 and release it on 360 and PC. So, in short, Valve could hire extra developer for the PS3 development. But they would also have to hire an extra project manager and a few extra testers. The amount of work to get one PS3 game developed would result in them increasing their staff by almost ten people or about 20% of their workforce. This may not make sense to them when their production process is streamlined with 360 and PC development.lhughey

Please go to the original post, and read Point 1.

Point 2 might also help as the solution to your "issue" you've put forth.

wow, some people really are caught up in the console war, and all the PR/fanboy/troll propaganda. Its a CHOICE, let it go! I guess insomniac is lazy, biased, and fanboyish too right?. Good lord, what has gaming come to? :(navyguy21

Valve games aren't meant for a console; it doesn't matter if ti is ps3 or 360; the games that that company make are meant for pc. Live with it and stop complaining that Valve don't make games for the ps3. Miroku32

I've heard that before....

But since when is Half Life 1 and 2 not "meant for consoles"? Since when is Portal not?

Seems to me, those game types were talor made to be for consoles.

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Stop spinning it.

Since when making money is bad?. This is strictly business and as company all they should care is making profits.

tonitorsi

unlike some other devs, Valve actually cares more about quality than profits... its pretty obvious when you look at the constant updates that TF2 gets, other devs would charge you for those updates

Money is required to make those quality updates. Money depends on wether these updates are realeased or what not. Again. since when is making money a bad thing from a business standpoint?

when the quality suffers and when its not worth the trouble... ps3 aint exactly easy to work with

wow, some people really are caught up in the console war, and all the PR/fanboy/troll propaganda. Its a CHOICE, let it go! I guess insomniac is lazy, biased, and fanboyish too right?. Good lord, what has gaming come to? :(navyguy21

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]wow, some people really are caught up in the console war, and all the PR/fanboy/troll propaganda. Its a CHOICE, let it go! I guess insomniac is lazy, biased, and fanboyish too right?. Good lord, what has gaming come to? :(RedruM_I

And Valve chooses not to release their games on the PS3.

Considering Sony boasts that it made its architecture difficult to learn, I don't see why there are so many conspiracy theories on the subject.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]wow, some people really are caught up in the console war, and all the PR/fanboy/troll propaganda. Its a CHOICE, let it go! I guess insomniac is lazy, biased, and fanboyish too right?. Good lord, what has gaming come to? :(lusitanogamer

It's about spending that money to maximize their profits. What's the point in spending $100, just to make $100.50, when you can spend $100 to make $300 by limiting to 360/PC (hyperbole)? The fact remains they would have to expand their busines model, bring in employees with PS3 development experience, expand things like full-time benefits (health etc), possibly expand the property to accomodate the increase in development staff and then put money up front to develop a cross-platform or exclusive game in a largely untested market for the company.

In my opinion, Valve should try and do for PC gaming what Microsoft's Xbox Live did for console gaming. Steam is a great service and could be improved further with more features that are available on Xbox live. That being said, Valve should stop making console games period and focus on PC.

[QUOTE="lusitanogamer"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]wow, some people really are caught up in the console war, and all the PR/fanboy/troll propaganda. Its a CHOICE, let it go! I guess insomniac is lazy, biased, and fanboyish too right?. Good lord, what has gaming come to? :(lundy86_4

It's about spending that money to maximize their profits. What's the point in spending $100, just to make $100.50, when you can spend $100 to make $300 by limiting to 360/PC (hyperbole)? The fact remains they would have to expand their busines model, bring in employees with PS3 development experience, expand things like full-time benefits (health etc), possibly expand the property to accomodate the increase in development staff and then put money up front to develop a cross-platform or exclusive game in a largely untested market for the company.

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[QUOTE="lusitanogamer"]Sony pays Insomniac for the games they make to be Playstation exclusives. Presumably Valve isn't getting paid for exclusivity by anyone, so why deny their games to a fanbase that wants them? Are you gonna tell us they're not in this business for the money?lusitanogamer

It's about spending that money to maximize their profits. What's the point in spending $100, just to make $100.50, when you can spend $100 to make $300 by limiting to 360/PC (hyperbole)? The fact remains they would have to expand their busines model, bring in employees with PS3 development experience, expand things like full-time benefits (health etc), possibly expand the property to accomodate the increase in development staff and then put money up front to develop a cross-platform or exclusive game in a largely untested market for the company.

Due to the fact that in a business like this, the product of a company directly reflects the reputation of the company in terms of quality. Valve has a serious name in this industry and allowing everyone and their grandmother to port dilutes their name and their image. Look at the quaity of The Orange Box on PS3. It was still good for console owners, but it was seriously impacted in terms of quaity.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]wow, some people really are caught up in the console war, and all the PR/fanboy/troll propaganda. Its a CHOICE, let it go! I guess insomniac is lazy, biased, and fanboyish too right?. Good lord, what has gaming come to? :(lusitanogamer

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coolnessmancool

Valve is pretty tight company. And let's be honest... Gabe would really need to hate the employees he would delagate to work on PS3

I agree this is probably just MS sending gifts (with conditions) to them.RedruM_I

Cuz microsoft probably paid for the rights to have their games on their console. So really it's probably PS3 that couldn't be bothered to have the game

Has anybody seen my tinfoil? I need to make a hat.

Games for Mac but not PS3. That is really hurting some ppl it seems.

Why is everyone so obsessed about Valve not developing for the PS3?

Why is everyone so obsessed about Valve not developing for the PS3?

Shad0ki11

i guess those people like their games...

also, i find it kinda strange that their complaints are written in a forum on a PC...

valve makes all their games for the PC... whats the problem here?

I have used Steam/Valve on my PC for years. I think that Valve is too ethical to take bribes not to produce for the PS3.

im going to say this and say it again...theres demand for valve games on the PS3 end of so they have a fair amount up untapped sales and potentially new fans.I seriously dont see why they dont exploit that, even using external devs to port i mean EA is a far more competant PS3 developer since the days of Orange box being brutally honest..Profit is good for valve and that leads to everyone having fun rather than silly wars on here maybe thats cause i have been at the pub the past few hours today and its only 7pm goddamn college open day and friends from school wanting to hit ze pub afterwards :(

Wow this thread still going? Ok seriously cows just deal with it already the fact Valve does not care about your console that is last of all the 4 systems and has the worst software sales of all 4 systems.

im going to say this and say it again...theres demand for valve games on the PS3 end of so they have a fair amount up untapped sales and potentially new fans.I seriously dont see why they dont exploit that, even using external devs to port i mean EA is a far more competant PS3 developer since the days of Orange box being brutally honest..Profit is good for valve and that leads to everyone having fun rather than silly wars on here maybe thats cause i have been at the pub the past few hours today and its only 7pm goddamn college open day and friends from school wanting to hit ze pub afterwards :(

razgriz_101

well... you might as well make the case that there shouldnt be 3rd party exclusive games anymore, since there will always be potential sales and fans on the other systems