Valve gets paid/or incentivised to not develop for the PS3..That's why people.

Why not let other companies do the job for them then? It's not like there isn't anyone willing to do it.

lusitanogamer

Last time they did that (Orange Box on PS3) the game scored almost a full point lower on metacritic/gamerankings, was significantly outsold by the 360 version, and PS3 fans *****ed and moaned about how Valve was "lazy". All indications are the potential reward isn't worth the risk.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

im going to say this and say it again...theres demand for valve games on the PS3 end of so they have a fair amount up untapped sales and potentially new fans.I seriously dont see why they dont exploit that, even using external devs to port i mean EA is a far more competant PS3 developer since the days of Orange box being brutally honest..Profit is good for valve and that leads to everyone having fun rather than silly wars on here maybe thats cause i have been at the pub the past few hours today and its only 7pm goddamn college open day and friends from school wanting to hit ze pub afterwards :(

ogvampire

well... you might as well make the case that there shouldnt be 3rd party exclusive games anymore, since there will always be potential sales and fans on the other systems

thats what i think..i mean companies are in it for the money...why would you cut of a huge userbase it just doesnt make sense to me i mean the small cost to port it compared to engine desing and full blown R and D makes it a wee bit weird for me.I mean companies are in it for money thats the way buisness works i mean look at some successful company they couldnt care about alleigances even tho i hate to admit it acti are a good example of this.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]wow, some people really are caught up in the console war, and all the PR/fanboy/troll propaganda. Its a CHOICE, let it go! I guess insomniac is lazy, biased, and fanboyish too right?. Good lord, what has gaming come to? :(RedruM_I

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

im going to say this and say it again...theres demand for valve games on the PS3 end of so they have a fair amount up untapped sales and potentially new fans.I seriously dont see why they dont exploit that, even using external devs to port i mean EA is a far more competant PS3 developer since the days of Orange box being brutally honest..Profit is good for valve and that leads to everyone having fun rather than silly wars on here maybe thats cause i have been at the pub the past few hours today and its only 7pm goddamn college open day and friends from school wanting to hit ze pub afterwards :(

razgriz_101

well... you might as well make the case that there shouldnt be 3rd party exclusive games anymore, since there will always be potential sales and fans on the other systems

thats what i think..i mean companies are in it for the money...why would you cut of a huge userbase it just doesnt make sense to me i mean the small cost to port it compared to engine desing and full blown R and D makes it a wee bit weird for me.I mean companies are in it for money thats the way buisness works i mean look at some successful company they couldnt care about alleigances even tho i hate to admit it acti are a good example of this.

i totally agree

there should only be 1 console that can play every game... no more exclusives

this 'exclusive' thing has always been strange to me... its like having some blu-rays that can only play on a samsung blu-ray player, and others that can only play on a sony blu-ray player.... just silly, but thats business for ya

well youre right they do get paid and do get incentives not to develop for the ps3.

its called all the money they get from the pc fanbase.

I agree this is probably just MS sending gifts (with conditions) to them.RedruM_I

Yeah that makes sense with Valve being on Apple now. After all, Sony is a much bigger competitor to them in the general scheme of things than Jobs is. :roll:

I really swear some people live in a bubble....

Oh, you silly, silly fanboys. Any excuse so long as you don't have to face the fact that Valve simply doesn't like the architecture of the PS3. :cry:

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]I agree this is probably just MS sending gifts (with conditions) to them.gensigns

Yeah that makes sense with Valve being on Apple now. After all, Sony is a much bigger competitor to them in the general scheme of things than Jobs is. :roll:

I really swear some people live in a bubble....

Microsoft wouldn't block Apple from getting games.

If you want to play Valve games, buy them for PC or 360. If you do not like Valve games or do not care for them, move on and play something else. I wonder why any relations between Valve and the PS3 evolve into conspiracies.

[QUOTE="gensigns"]

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]I agree this is probably just MS sending gifts (with conditions) to them.Persistantthug

Yeah that makes sense with Valve being on Apple now. After all, Sony is a much bigger competitor to them in the general scheme of things than Jobs is. :roll:

I really swear some people live in a bubble....

Microsoft wouldn't block Apple from getting games.

But were talking about the MS from Tinfoil-Hat Land of the TC...

Obviously, Valves recent refusal to allow their games on the PS3 platform has absolutely nothing to do with resources, ability, or know how....it's obviously because of something much different.

Persistantthug

So enlighten us with what that something is?

Hmm trust you or Valve. tough one.

But were talking about the MS from Tinfoil-Hat Land of the TC...

gensigns

Uh,

Hello,

Micrsoft, does keep games from Sony.

[QUOTE="gensigns"]

But were talking about the MS from Tinfoil-Hat Land of the TC...

Persistantthug

Uh,

Hello,

Micrsoft, does keep games from Sony.

"M$ dun give Gabe a truckload of monies to hates the PSTriple!"

[QUOTE="gensigns"]

But were talking about the MS from Tinfoil-Hat Land of the TC...

Persistantthug

Uh,

Hello,

Micrsoft, does keep games from Sony.

And Sony prevents MS from acquiring games too.

It is amazing how some people just are not able to handle the fact that a developer does not want to put their games on their console.SilentlyMad

So enlighten us with what that something is?

sleepingzzz

If you are serious sleepingzzz,

I'm going to request that you re read the entire OP including the title.

[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"]

So enlighten us with what that something is?

Persistantthug

If you are serious sleepingzzz,

I'm going to request that you re read the entire OP including the title.

your post is a bunch of wild accusations with no actual data backing them up.

And Sony prevents MS from acquiring games too.

Fizzman

YES.

Yes.

I actually like you're response than most others here.

You are 100% on the right path to enlightenment. Sony does in fact prevent games from being on XBOX 360 and/or incentivises developers to keep making games on the PS3.

But for the record, I never said or meant to imply this particular occurance was somehow wrong....I just wanted to "clear the air", if you will.

But I'm proud someone finally gets it. :)

[QUOTE="gensigns"]

But were talking about the MS from Tinfoil-Hat Land of the TC...

Persistantthug

Uh,

Hello,

Micrsoft, does keep games from Sony.

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]It is amazing how some people just are not able to handle the fact that a developer does not want to put their games on their console.tonitorsi

Stop spinning it.

Since when ismaking money bad?. This is strictly business and as a company all they should care is making big profits from their games. They sure as hell aren't the brightest crayon in the box.

wow, some people really are caught up in the console war, and all the PR/fanboy/troll propaganda. Its a CHOICE, let it go! I guess insomniac is lazy, biased, and fanboyish too right?. Good lord, what has gaming come to? :(navyguy21

Lazy devs are lazy.

Lazy devs are lazy.

PS-Lightning_18

I bet they work much harder in their line of work than you do with your job.

Lazy devs are lazy.

PS-Lightning_18

I mean really why is anyone shocked that valve does not want to spend money and hire new people just to make a game for the console that is in last place :lol:

lol valve

when they get a new engine call me

capitalism ftw

If you dont love the PS3, MS is probably paying you!!!:roll:

So where is the proof of your statements.... are you seriously expecting people to believe your assumptions?

You say Lazy but I say a dev company that does not want to waste their time on the last place system out of 4 different systems and also the one that has the lowest software sales.

I mean really why is anyone shocked that valve does not want to spend money and hire new people just to make a game for the console that is in last place :lol:

SilentlyMad

Because in case you haven't noticed,

This generation, last place, whoever winds up in it, will still be making MANY millions of dollars from hardware and software.

To put it in perspective,

This generation is not like any other. PS3 in last place only half way through this generation has now outsold the Nintendo 64's entire lifetime

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]

You say Lazy but I say a dev company that does not want to waste their time on the last place system out of 4 different systems and also the one that has the lowest software sales.

I mean really why is anyone shocked that valve does not want to spend money and hire new people just to make a game for the console that is in last place :lol:

Persistantthug

Because in case you haven't noticed,

This generation, last place, whoever winds up in it, will still be making MANY millions of dollars from hardware and software.

To put it in perspective,

This generation is not like any other. PS3 in last place only half way through this generation has now outsold the Nintendo 64's entire lifetime

All this and the PS3 is

Last in sales of 4 different systems and of course last between the 3 consoles

Last in software sales between 4 systems

Last in game attach rate

Orange box sold much less on the PS3

And you think a smart business choice it for a company like Valve to make a game for the PS3 :lol:

Valve doesn't like PS3. Simple.

No proof whatsoever. All just baseless assumptions.

Geez is it really that difficult to accept that a developer doesn't want to develop games on your console of choice? Like I've said before, Valve is primarily a PC dev. I doubt they care that much about the 360 either.

So? The PS3 still the hardest to develope for? They would need a lot more people to make a game for the PS3. Have to pay people just to figure out the hard to work with PS3. Valve would also have to pay Sony to make a game on the PS3.

All this and the PS3 is

Last in sales of 4 different systems and of course last between the 3 consoles

Last in software sales between 4 systems

Last in game attach rate

Orange box sold much less on the PS3

And you think a smart business choice it for a company like Valve to make a game for the PS3 :lol:

SilentlyMad

How many people do you think it takes to port a game over to the PS3 SilentlyMad? Approximately?

I am soooo tired of the inability to "read" between the lines

Persistantthug

There are no lines on this issue. Valve doesn't want to develop for PS3. You'll just have to deal with it.

No proof whatsoever. All just baseless assumptions.

Geez is it really that difficult to accept that a developer doesn't want to develop games on your console of choice? Like I've said before, Valve is primarily a PC dev. I doubt they care that much about the 360 either.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

No proof whatsoever. All just baseless assumptions.

Geez is it really that difficult to accept that a developer doesn't want to develop games on your console of choice? Like I've said before, Valve is primarily a PC dev. I doubt they care that much about the 360 either.

bigboss5ak

Wait... Link?

It is amazing how some people just are not able to handle the fact that a developer does not want to put their games on their console.SilentlyMad

A And actually Sony paid Valve not to release on the PS3, becayse Valve is actually releasing games that in December 2012 will explode into super viruses, giving Valve complete control of the planet. This way the PS3 will be the only "clean" system. Valve meanwhile is ok with this, because their super viruses, not only can transfer across xbox live and the steam... but... AIRBOURNE ASWELL??!?!?

You guys have to lift the wool from your eyes and see the truth. Dont let the big corporations lead you astray! Valve is PURE EVIL

Eh, even if true, it would be just reward for Sony... Karma, since last gen Sega DC fans know all too well the frustration....:P

I am soooo tired of the inability to "read" between the lines, not just here but other board and comment sections as well. I keep hearing misinformed stuff like, Valve is small, Valve doesn't have time, Valve doesn't do ports, Valve doesn't have enough money...not enough resourses....etc etc...it's really kinda making me ill, because none of that is true. It's like people seriously hampered by an incapability to observe and recognize the obvious, even if its right in front of them.

1. Yes Valve is an "independent" game developer, but for being an "indy", Valve is not small. They are one of the larger ones with 250 employees (probably more now) and growing. A term "small dev-studio" would be one along the likes of SPLASH DAMAGE (approx 60 employees), who seem to be be having no problems making games for all three HD platforms, despite their size.

Valve are also among the wealtiest indy developers out there....not poor by a longshot. Valve hires new staff constantly, and if they wanted to hire people that have PS3 architechture knowledge they could at any time...in fact, they probably already have.

This establishes internal resources

2. Valve has had ported many of their games to several consoles, Dreamcast, PS2, XBOX, XBOX 360, and even PS3. For almost all of their ports, including left 4 Dead, Valve has used outside companies to do the ports for them.

In general, Valves seems to love to port their games to consoles, especially their Half Life games, I assume since Half Life(s) tend to cost the most for them to make. Obviously THE ORANGE BOX was done by EA in 2007, and contrary to popular belief, The "broken" PS3 version was fixed years ago. It actually plays fine.

This establishes ability and willingness (or non willingness) to get console porting done.

3. EA and Valve are in bed together. EA mostly distributes, and depending on the given situation, sometimes they port. EA has also wanted to do ports of L4D, especially L4D 2 for the PS3, but Valve rebuffed that. Obviously EA has enough resources to parachute drop game developers onto Valve's Offices around the clock, Call Of Duty Style. EA's greed is well established, it's legendary in fact. So Why would Valve not let EA port L4D(s) to the PS3?

This establishes that while Valve is "independent", they do have backing from EA, The second largest game publisher in the world.

In all, make no mistake, Valve is totally free to create and not create games for whomever they choose, this topic is to simply quash the misunderstandings of what is and what is not at play here.

Obviously, Valves recent refusal to allow their games on the PS3 platform has absolutely nothing to do with resources, ability, or know how....it's obviously because of something much different.

Persistantthug

you take this way to seriously :shock:

[QUOTE="bigboss5ak"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

No proof whatsoever. All just baseless assumptions.

Geez is it really that difficult to accept that a developer doesn't want to develop games on your console of choice? Like I've said before, Valve is primarily a PC dev. I doubt they care that much about the 360 either.

lundy86_4

Wait... Link?

Yeah and most figures don't even include Steam sales which have surpassed retail figures for Valve, haven't they?

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]

So? The PS3 still the hardest to develope for? They would need a lot more people to make a game for the PS3. Have to pay people just to figure out the hard to work with PS3. Valve would also have to pay Sony to make a game on the PS3.

All this and the PS3 is

Last in sales of 4 different systems and of course last between the 3 consoles

Last in software sales between 4 systems

Last in game attach rate

Orange box sold much less on the PS3

And you think a smart business choice it for a company like Valve to make a game for the PS3 :lol:

Persistantthug

How many people do you think it takes to port a game over to the PS3 SilentlyMad? Approximately?