Valve said to be working on 'Steam Box' gaming console with partners

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If I were Valve I would work with only a single company and market it as a Valve gaming console. The only way they are going to get away with this is if they have strict standards regarding the power of each system. The last thing that needs to happen is one company running a game fine while the other is struggling. If they have a standard that must be followed exactly then it won't be a problem, but then that kind of defeats the purpose of being"open" doesn't it?

Chances are i will buy it, whatever it is. however, if I had the option of a Valve branded box designed by Valve or some piece of junk by Samsung then I would take the Valve one every time.

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Since it plays PC games that's going to happen anyway. It won't be like a PS3 or X360 where you get a game and know it will run fine on your machine, you'll still have to worry about specs. Unfortunately if the hardware does become standardized, however, then it could really hurt PC gaming since devs will only start making their games with Steam Box in mind (so max settings will be something that Steam Box can max out, assuming graphics settings will even still exist), to say nothing of the horrors that making a gamepad standard in PC gaming would entail.
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#52 wewantdoom4now
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a pc that cant be upgraded? total fail like laptops.

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#53 hoola
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[QUOTE="hoola"]

If I were Valve I would work with only a single company and market it as a Valve gaming console. The only way they are going to get away with this is if they have strict standards regarding the power of each system. The last thing that needs to happen is one company running a game fine while the other is struggling. If they have a standard that must be followed exactly then it won't be a problem, but then that kind of defeats the purpose of being"open" doesn't it?

Chances are i will buy it, whatever it is. however, if I had the option of a Valve branded box designed by Valve or some piece of junk by Samsung then I would take the Valve one every time.

gameguy6700

Since it plays PC games that's going to happen anyway. It won't be like a PS3 or X360 where you get a game and know it will run fine on your machine, you'll still have to worry about specs. Unfortunately if the hardware does become standardized, however, then it could really hurt PC gaming since devs will only start making their games with Steam Box in mind (so max settings will be something that Steam Box can max out, assuming graphics settings will even still exist), to say nothing of the horrors that making a gamepad standard in PC gaming would entail.

The Bold: This isn't necessarily a bad thing (in fact, it could end up being exactly the opposite). Right now the standards for PC gaming are created by consoles. We havn't seen a game really push the boundries of the PC since 2007 with Crysis. If there is a standard PC that is miles ahead of consoles simply because it is a powerful PC, then it could actually be a great BENEFIT to graphics advancement. If the standard becomes several times more powerful than consoles like the xbox 720 and PS4 then games developed for the Steambox could actually be very visually impressive compared to what they would have been if the standard had been a weak console.

If this is true then what they are doing is making a hybrid console/PC. It will be a PC in terms of functionality (running windows, internet, and other programs that we normally use on the PC), and a console in terms of accessbility. The reason people are having problems comprehending what Valve wants done is because it isn't something that has ever been done before with PCs (it was attempted with Phantom which ended up be a scam and it was very poorly thought out which wont' be a problem for Valve). They are trying to take the best of both worlds and combine them into one. I think its risky, but it could really pay off if done properly.

Samsung, Dell, HP, Alienware all announce their Steamboxes with their own special physical designs, but a standard internal setup. Instead of buying a PC a person may choose to get a Steambox due to its easy compatibility with a tv (yes, i know, it is easy to hook a PC up to a TV, but tell that to the average person. They'd have no clue). They advertise it like a game console yet you have a full PC on your TV and it does everything your PC does, but you don't have to worry about games or other software not being compatible. And with Windows 8 right around the corner and its supposed simplistic "tablet friendly" design, it could really work well on the big screen. It will be viewed as a console and used as a PC.

Of course, this is all speculation. For all we know they could be going the Phantom route.

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#54 AdrianWerner
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Right now the standards for PC gaming are created by consoles. We havn't seen a game really push the boundries of the PC since 2007 with Crysis.

hoola

Disagree. Plenty of strategy or sim games did.

THat said, Steambox would always just a small fraction of whole gaming population and it makes no sense to dumb your graphic down for it becase it will hurt long term sales. More realistically devs would propably include separate steambox settings, which would make the game smooth.

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#55 Labavo
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Valve sucks. No way am I buying this.
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#56 SW__Troll
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Valve should notice how there has never been a time in console gaming history where more than two console makers were making money at any given time.

It's such a high-risk market, and there's not really a reason to enter it given what Valve does.

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#57 Labavo
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Valve should notice how there has never been a time in console gaming history where more than two console makers were making money at any given time.

It's such a high-risk market, and there's not really a reason to enter it given what Valve does.

SW__Troll
They should also note that every company that has succeeded in the venture has had some type of a good exclusive game lined up. What could Valve possibly offer on this front?
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#58 Lithos_
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Valve should notice how there has never been a time in console gaming history where more than two console makers were making money at any given time.

SW__Troll

What you mean? I am a PC gamer myself, but what about Xbox 360 + PS3 + Wii?

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Steambox will hurt the Xbox but not Playstation and Nintendo
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[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

Valve should notice how there has never been a time in console gaming history where more than two console makers were making money at any given time.

It's such a high-risk market, and there's not really a reason to enter it given what Valve does.

Labavo

They should also note that every company that has succeeded in the venture has had some type of a good exclusive game lined up. What could Valve possibly offer on this front?

PC exclusives... Derp...

All they need to do is stick HL3 on it and guaranteed sales.

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#61 HaloPimp978
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Sounds interesting, but I don't think it will sell.
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#62 dontshackzmii
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i would go amd they could get both cpu and gpu at a better price then intel.

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#63 nunovlopes
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This could be amazing. All games would be Steam-exclusive meaning you can play them both on the SteamBox or PC+Steam. Which means the console would launch with an immediately huge line-up. And all your current Steam games would work! It also seems several manufacturers would be building the SteamBox, maybe Samsung, LG, others.

This could really be something huge. I'd definitely buy one if I can just turn it on and have access to my Steam library.

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This could be amazing. All games would be Steam-exclusive meaning you can play them both on the SteamBox or PC+Steam. Which means the console would launch with an immediately huge line-up. And all your current Steam games would work! It also seems several manufacturers would be building the SteamBox, maybe Samsung, LG, others.

This could really be something huge. I'd definitely buy one if I can just turn it on and have access to my Steam library.

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I'd use it to convert my friends and family over to PC :)

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#65 nunovlopes
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I'll support this if the standards aren't too low that it hinders the potential of game development. In addition, they would also need to update those standards constantly as technology improves. I don't want PC gaming to turn into consoles gaming in where we are stuck with ancient technology for 6 - 8 years and thus stuck with those limitations when it comes to development. If none of these are even part of the plan, then I rather keep the lassie-faire PC gaming tradition. ShadowDeathX

If it's going to launch with 8GB of RAM, those concerns are gone. Furthermore, if several manufacturers enter the race, that means we won't have fixed hardware specs like current consoles have. Each manufacturer can decide how powerfull their flavor of the SteamBox will be, kinda like they do with current Android phones and tablets.

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Steambox will hurt the Xbox but not Playstation and Nintendohippiesanta
I can see that happening because Xbox gets alot of PC multiplats and people would decide if I want to play those games why not purchase the Steambox and get the better version instead of having it on the Xbox.

Playstation and Nintendo both have some good exclusives but with the Xbox now Microsoft are mainly focusing on getting PC games to just be on PC and 360.

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#67 ironcreed
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My only concern is the price. Give me incentive to buy this thing and I will be happy to. Should be interesting.

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[QUOTE="hippiesanta"]Steambox will hurt the Xbox but not Playstation and NintendoNintendo_Ownes7

I can see that happening because Xbox gets alot of PC multiplats and people would decide if I want to play those games why not purchase the Steambox and get the better version instead of having it on the Xbox.

Playstation and Nintendo both have some good exclusives but with the Xbox now Microsoft are mainly focusing on getting PC games to just be on PC and 360.

How could it not compete with Playstation and nintendo systems?

Valve could pick out any damn PC game they wanted from the library and market it to gamers.

There is pratically a PC game for nearly ever type of gamer.

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[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="hippiesanta"]Steambox will hurt the Xbox but not Playstation and NintendoNoodleFighter

I can see that happening because Xbox gets alot of PC multiplats and people would decide if I want to play those games why not purchase the Steambox and get the better version instead of having it on the Xbox.

Playstation and Nintendo both have some good exclusives but with the Xbox now Microsoft are mainly focusing on getting PC games to just be on PC and 360.

How could it not compete with Playstation and nintendo systems?

Valve could pick out any damn PC game they wanted from the library and market it to gamers.

There is pratically a PC game for nearly ever type of gamer.

I'm just saying that Playstation and Nintendo systems have Exclusives that make people want those systems (Well they make me want those systems)

Microsoft tries to get PC multiplats instead of exclusives.

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[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="hoola"] If I were Valve I would work with only a single company and market it as a Valve gaming console. The only way they are going to get away with this is if they have strict standards regarding the power of each system. The last thing that needs to happen is one company running a game fine while the other is struggling. If they have a standard that must be followed exactly then it won't be a problem, but then that kind of defeats the purpose of being"open" doesn't it? Chances are i will buy it, whatever it is. however, if I had the option of a Valve branded box designed by Valve or some piece of junk by Samsung then I would take the Valve one every time. hoola
Since it plays PC games that's going to happen anyway. It won't be like a PS3 or X360 where you get a game and know it will run fine on your machine, you'll still have to worry about specs. Unfortunately if the hardware does become standardized, however, then it could really hurt PC gaming since devs will only start making their games with Steam Box in mind (so max settings will be something that Steam Box can max out, assuming graphics settings will even still exist), to say nothing of the horrors that making a gamepad standard in PC gaming would entail.

The Bold: This isn't necessarily a bad thing (in fact, it could end up being exactly the opposite). Right now the standards for PC gaming are created by consoles. We havn't seen a game really push the boundries of the PC since 2007 with Crysis. If there is a standard PC that is miles ahead of consoles simply because it is a powerful PC, then it could actually be a great BENEFIT to graphics advancement. If the standard becomes several times more powerful than consoles like the xbox 720 and PS4 then games developed for the Steambox could actually be very visually impressive compared to what they would have been if the standard had been a weak console. If this is true then what they are doing is making a hybrid console/PC. It will be a PC in terms of functionality (running windows, internet, and other programs that we normally use on the PC), and a console in terms of accessbility. The reason people are having problems comprehending what Valve wants done is because it isn't something that has ever been done before with PCs (it was attempted with Phantom which ended up be a scam and it was very poorly thought out which wont' be a problem for Valve). They are trying to take the best of both worlds and combine them into one. I think its risky, but it could really pay off if done properly. Samsung, Dell, HP, Alienware all announce their Steamboxes with their own special physical designs, but a standard internal setup. Instead of buying a PC a person may choose to get a Steambox due to its easy compatibility with a tv (yes, i know, it is easy to hook a PC up to a TV, but tell that to the average person. They'd have no clue). They advertise it like a game console yet you have a full PC on your TV and it does everything your PC does, but you don't have to worry about games or other software not being compatible. And with Windows 8 right around the corner and its supposed simplistic "tablet friendly" design, it could really work well on the big screen. It will be viewed as a console and used as a PC. Of course, this is all speculation. For all we know they could be going the Phantom route.

I think I am starting to understand what Valve intends to do thanks to your explanation but the highlighted part isn't true ever since The Witcher 2 came along I believe. Even then, I like what consoles are doing by holding PC gaming back. PC games still look kilometers better than console games, but at the same time they aren't outrageous when it comes to requirements.

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Valve should notice how there has never been a time in console gaming history where more than two console makers were making money at any given time.

Lithos_

What you mean? I am a PC gamer myself, but what about Xbox 360 + PS3 + Wii?

Both Nintendo and Sony were in the red last year. Sony themselves have yet to see profit since the generation started.

Last gen the Xbox lost billions, and only Sony and Nintendo made money on their gaming divisions. Also don't forget the Dreamcast flopping.

The generation before that only the PSOne and N64 made money while the Saturn was a flop for Sega.

The generation before that only the SNES and Genesis made money while the Turbo Grafx, 3DO, Neo Geo, and Atari Jaguar all failed

There's a trend in the industry, and it's that at any given time ONLY two console makers (at most) are making money. However, as it stands right now, only MS reported profits last year.

It's an incredibly high risk market

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Will this be upgradable?
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Will this be upgradable?Spartan070
Most likely not. It'll be marketed to people who normally don't play PC games and will thus try to appeal to them with ease of use. Don't forget also that this is supposed to be a standardized machine, and upgrades would completely eliminate that. Not to mention that the manufacturers of these Steamboxes won't want you to be able to upgrade them so that they can then get you to buy newer versions of it, or pay out more money to get a better model (bigger HDD, added bluetooth/wifi, etc).
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#74 Hexagon_777
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So this is absolutely not for people who build their own machines? K.
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#75 Lithos_
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I just found this and LMAO!

In the end I really believe that this is what's going to happen; people now say "nah, not me, I'll stay away from it", but when the real deal hits you it will be like this.

Just sharing. :lol:

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