Valve: Xbox Live 'such a train wreck'

"We thought that there would be something that would emerge, because we figured it was a sort of untenable... Oh yeah, we understand that these are the rules now, but it's such a train wreck that something will have to change.
"That's why we're really happy with the current situation with the PS3," he said. "We're solving it now in a way that is going to work for our customers, rather than assuming something is going to emerge later that will allow us to fix this."

man valve really changed their stance form earlier this gen.

They didn't seem to describe what they don't like in your paragraph.

Well he doesnt call XBL a train Wreck. He just calls their situation with XBL a train wreck

They took a full 180 on their stance. Quite a paradox.

Valve feels the need to bash one console at all times. Before it was the PS3, now that they're swimming in Sony cash is the 360.

MS trying to force charges on devs can definately be described as a train wreck. Understandable, considering the cash flow it may generate, but I hope they look at changing this stance in the upcoming generation.

Valve feels the need to bash one console at all times. Before it was the PS3, now that they're swimming in Sony cash is the 360.

waltefmoney

They took a full 180 on their stance. Quite a paradox.

RadecSupreme

No they didn't. He's talking about it from a developers perspective. IE not wanting to charge for DLC, having the Steam Cloud.

News flash - Publisher recieves cash to work on project for company, says company is best thing ever and beats the competition.

Amazing, who would have thought it... :roll:

It is true. They kind of forcing me to pay 10 $ for the same thing in 2 months.

They didn't seem to describe what they don't like in your paragraph.

ScreamDream

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WhenCicadasCry

I have something much better

$$$...

If I was a game developer I would want to work with an open system like PSN so I could do with it as I please. A closed System would make me feel like I'm hand cuffed and not be able to do things how I had envisioned them to be.

Yikes that's what's called hardball negotiating with MS trying to buy Valve and all. :twisted:

Sony sure pumped some money over to valve.deleterguy

Well he doesnt call XBL a train Wreck. He just calls their situation with XBL a train wreck

Blaze-Agent

lulz, here is the actual quote over what the train wreck is.

Valve boss Gabe Newell has called his company's assumptions over Xbox Live "such a train wreck".

that's why you don't make assumptions.

Was wondering how long it would take for this to hit SW, lol.

lulz, here is the actual quote over what the train wreck is.

Valve boss Gabe Newell has called his company's assumptions over Xbox Live "such a train wreck".

Riverwolf007

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Well he doesnt call XBL a train Wreck. He just calls their situation with XBL a train wreck

Animal-Mother

oh i see. must have reas it wrongly

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They took a full 180 on their stance. Quite a paradox.

organic_machine

No they didn't. He's talking about it from a developers perspective. IE not wanting to charge for DLC, having the Steam Cloud.

Understandable but that´s not what I am referring to. In fact, I am referring to the fact that Valve was at one point completely against the PS3 and now they are recognizing its advantages clearly.

Full Interview regarding this:

Erik Johnson: Favourite conversation of ours! PS3, so far. The way we've dealt with those customers so far, and the product that they have, and the lack of updates on the 360 for TF2 is also a total failure. Those are the ones that sting the worst because…

Doug Lombardi: There's actual ramifications.

Erik Johnson: Because it got all the way through to customers. It's like a bug. If you fix a bug before it ever ships, it's pretty cheap. If you ship it and then fix it, it's really expensive. Those ones are really bad.

Gabe Newell: That's why we're really happy with the current situation with the PS3… We're solving it now in a way that is going to work for our customers, rather than assuming something is going to emerge later that will allow us to fix this.

PC Gamer: Was the mistake on the Xbox side to think that Microsoft would let you update it more often?

Gabe Newell: We thought that there would be something that would emerge, because we figured it was a sort of untenable… "Oh yeah, we understand that these are the rules now, but it's such a train wreck that something will have to change."

Erik Johnson: We did kind of blindly go off and build… you know what we've done in TF2 because you've played TF2, right? We built a lot of things. So there is this business issue of how do you keep delivering software, which we did kind of think we could resolve in some way. Market forces are dictating it should be resolved. But then memory's a problem for us now – we've added all these things, so you have to consider those budgets at this point.

Erik Johnson: I mean it's a trade-off. I don't know how to evaluate that trade-off today. TF2 on the PC side has delivered a huge amount of value, but we've screwed up on the other side.

Remember kids money solves everything!

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[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

They took a full 180 on their stance. Quite a paradox.

RadecSupreme

No they didn't. He's talking about it from a developers perspective. IE not wanting to charge for DLC, having the Steam Cloud.

Understandable but that´s not what I am referring to. In fact, I am referring to the fact that Valve was at one point completely against the PS3 and now they are recognizing its advantages clearly.

It's not as simple as you think it is. It isn't as simple as: "We like Xbox, boo PS3. Oops nevermind, we love PS3, boo xbox."

They didn't like the PS3 because of it's foreign hardware architechture. It had nothing to do with why they like it now. If you ask them what their stance is on the PS3 hardware, they'd STILL tell you it's a pain to work with. But XBL is frustrating them, just like it ALWAYS had, just is it had been when TF2 released, bust as they had talked about when TF2 released.

It's just now, they see the open nature of PSN and they figure the pain of the irregular hardware is worth the investment.

Was wondering how long it would take for this to hit SW, lol.

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lulz, here is the actual quote over what the train wreck is.

Valve boss Gabe Newell has called his company's assumptions over Xbox Live "such a train wreck".

shinrabanshou

MS trying to force charges on devs can definately be described as a train wreck. Understandable, considering the cash flow it may generate, but I hope they look at changing this stance in the upcoming generation.

lundy86_4

i dont get why he uses tf2 as an example! i know ea did the ps3 version but ps3 didnt get anymore pacthes for tf2 than the 360 version. and he goes on to say he cant patch the 360 version because of the closed nature of live. well psn is more open but they wont patch tf2 on ps3(ea or valve) it deffinately needed a patch.

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MS trying to force charges on devs can definately be described as a train wreck. Understandable, considering the cash flow it may generate, but I hope they look at changing this stance in the upcoming generation.

Chutebox

Not with all devs, but i've heard a number of times that MS wishes to charge for certain added packs that a dev may wish to be free. Whether it's standard business practice, i'm not too sure.

i think valva just says something about the other company depending on who buys gabe a cheeseburger.

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whats misleading?TintedEyes

i dont get why he uses tf2 as an example! i know ea did the ps3 version but ps3 didnt get anymore pacthes for tf2 than the 360 version. and he goes on to say he cant patch the 360 version because of the closed nature of live. well psn is more open but they wont patch tf2 on ps3(ea or valve) it deffinately needed a patch.

atc-fanatic

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That much was obvious about XBL, we don't even need Gabe to tell us so.
To think there are people actually paying for XBL. :lol:

Well he doesnt call XBL a train Wreck. He just calls their situation with XBL a train wreck

Blaze-Agent

and it really is, Microsoft's verification system can be a world of woe.

Furthermore from the CVG article.

"Microsoft has a notoriously closed approach to its online service compared to PSN, with developers allowed as little as one free title update (though there are exceptions) and limitations on the amount of free game content they can release.

In fact, in its recent paid-for Red Dead Redemption add-on Rockstar included all the free-of-charge content from its previous Free Roam pack, "due to the platform network's restrictions on numbers of free packs we can give away."
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Shame.

So the options on consoles are tight. He can have hard to use hardware with the PS3 and open online capabilities, or Easy to use hardware with the 360 with very closed online capabilities. In reality, The people at Valve probably don't like either.