Valve's New Game: DOTA 2!!

http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/10/13/dota-2-announced-details.aspx

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=410094For Details

The Details:

*Everything from DotA is coming over
*AI bots take over disconnected players
*Uses Source engine, Steamworks
*Not being a dick will improve your standing in the community
*Interactive guides and coaching system to help newer players
*2011 release

Cool I guess. Never played DOTA, but this should be good.

i know...

some picsL

Me never heard of DOTA. Whats it stand for?vashkey

Me never heard of DOTA. Whats it stand for?vashkey

[QUOTE="vashkey"]Me never heard of DOTA. Whats it stand for?Dead-Memories

Looks like Cherokee was right.

I know a few people that are gonna be foaming. I personally prefer HoN

how is Valve in any way connected to DotA anywayfunsohng

There's some consistency in the fact that Valve has been pretty lazy since Half Life 2, and would rather capitalize on past efforts than create new IPs.

Morphling? Worst character name I've seen it a while...ToScA-

Let me guess....you've never played Dota

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]Morphling? Worst character name I've seen it a while...jhcho2

Let me guess....you've never played Dota

I played it extensively during my high school years :| Dota Classic up till Dota 3.7 thereabout; on Reign of Chaos. Then came these new versions with ridiculous amounts of new heroes, not to mention the exorbitant amount of new items, ******* ruining everything.

It used to be all neat and clean, then turned into too much of everything for some reason, lost its appeal if you ask me.

Dota 3.76c keeps it real though; not a lot of players around these days though.

...Also, it is entirely possible to not having played a game and still loathe a character name coming from said game:|

First truly shameful thing I've ever seen Valve do

It seens like valve is picking the ball blizzard has dropped. It was to be expected.

Also where is EP3!?

First truly shameful thing I've ever seen Valve do

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

First truly shameful thing I've ever seen Valve do

mexicangordo

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

First truly shameful thing I've ever seen Valve do

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"] How is that shameful? Dota is a great competitive game, and I am super pumped for this.

ToScA-

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"] How is that shameful? Dota is a great competitive game, and I am super pumped for this.

ToScA-

[QUOTE="ToScA-"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]It's shameful because it's bassicaly Valve stealing somebody else's work and making money off it.

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

First truly shameful thing I've ever seen Valve do

AdrianWerner

Dota has over 4 million players in the U.S alone, Im surprised it took this long to make it an actual game.

A lot of people don't know this but Ice Frog (the current programmer/creator of Dota) has been wanting to sell/pitch Dota to multiple developers. It was his idea, and he wanted to sell it.

mexicangordo

Isn't icefrog the guy they hired? Which was the original creator of DotA.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

A lot of people don't know this but Ice Frog (the current programmer/creator of Dota) has been wanting to sell/pitch Dota to multiple developers. It was his idea, and he wanted to sell it.

AdrianWerner

my issue is why valve would do this as between LoL and HoN, is there space for another dota?SupergumXP

YES!!!!!!
I cant wait!!
Valve getting to do the new DOTA is awesome!

I quit playing WC3 before Dota was released but now that valve has taken the reigns i think i am excited to try this thing. I wonder if it will use the source engine?

Isn't icefrog the guy they hired? Which was the original creator of DotA.

PSdual_wielder

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

A lot of people don't know this but Ice Frog (the current programmer/creator of Dota) has been wanting to sell/pitch Dota to multiple developers. It was his idea, and he wanted to sell it.

AdrianWerner

Icefrog has mentioned multiple times before that he wanted to sell the idea of Dota (he even approached Riot, the developer of LoL) I don't know how that makes Valve accountable at all.

im confused..why does this look liek somthing blizz should be doing..that one toon looks just like a night elf if not identical JetB1ackNewYear

Isn't icefrog the guy they hired? Which was the original creator of DotA.

PSdual_wielder

Icefrog was not alone in creating Dota-allstars,

mexicangordo

And knowingly purchasing stolen goods is what Valve did.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

First truly shameful thing I've ever seen Valve do

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Icefrog was not alone in creating Dota-allstars,

AdrianWerner

And knowingly purchasing stolen goods is what Valve did.

DOTA 2 eh? They hired Icefrog, not RIOT games. As it was the guys behind RIOT games that made DotA. This is selling another person's product without his consent. This is pretty much an IP theft, but since from what I am aware of no one actually owned the IP therefore while it is legal, it is still very immoral.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Icefrog was not alone in creating Dota-allstars,

AdrianWerner

And knowingly purchasing stolen goods is what Valve did.

Ouch, I knew this was bad but not this bad. My respect for both Valve and Icefrog plummeted, really low. I just hope this DotA 2 is free like Alien Swarm was or else I will be really angry.

Edit: according to Blizzard's EULA.Blizzard has rights over any icon/names/code/etc from WC3 and over any custom map, but not the concepts. I assume this means that if anyone has the right to do DotA 2, it would be none other than blizzard, correct me if I am wrong though.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Icefrog was not alone in creating Dota-allstars,

AdrianWerner

And knowingly purchasing stolen goods is what Valve did.

DOTA 2 eh? They hired Icefrog, not RIOT games. As it was the guys behind RIOT games that made DotA. This is selling another person's product without his consent. This is pretty much an IP theft, but since from what I am aware of no one actually owned the IP therefore while it is legal, it is still very immoral.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Icefrog was not alone in creating Dota-allstars,

Maroxad

And knowingly purchasing stolen goods is what Valve did.

Ouch, I knew this was bad but not this bad. My respect for both Valve and Icefrog plummeted, really low. I just hope this DotA 2 is free like Alien Swarm was or else I will be really angry.

Why? Again, Dota was not that popular before Icefrog started developing it. He made it successful, i don't know why people have a problem with that.

mexicangordo

He may have popularized the game. But he didnt create it. DotA didnt create the concept either, it was Aeon of Strife, a map for the original Starcraft. Hence if you visit WC3 map sites, they will frequently refer the genre as Aeon of Strife (AoS). Still he didnt make the game, and because of that, he doesn't deserve rights to the IP, even if it was he who made the DotA the game it is today. In my opinion the IP should belong to the one that created it not the one that popularized it.

The game (DotA 2) will probably be the best in the AoS genre, but it is also the most questionable.

Hopefully they'll make a FUN game; I've played a few titles in this "genre" and they have not been very entertaining.

Probably the worst aspect of DOTA/DOTA clones is that the controls+camera just DO NOT fit with the gameplay. It's a pointless relic left over from the WC3 engine. I'm hoping Valve ditches the bland point-and-click mechanics and goes to third-person camera + WASD controls, or something similar. They need to make it more of a skill-based game, not just a "take pot shots from behind minions, and flee like a girl when in danger." That's NOT fun to me ..not to mention encouraging that behavior makes matches drag out.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Icefrog was not alone in creating Dota-allstars,

AdrianWerner

And knowingly purchasing stolen goods is what Valve did.